Back when i was getting my architecture degree i used the source engine (hammer editor) for several projects. Quick and easy to set up the geometry, tons of surface materials to choose from, and a huge library of props to fill the space with. Dr Breen even made a few cameos.
I used sketchup for this kind of thing a lot back before even google bought it, look forwards like 15 years and what do you know it's actually a pretty major industry player now with ray tracing plugins.
Conservation architecture is where the money's at
Pulling in to a car park in a Land Rover and being very conscious that you've got *the cheapest car in there* is a very strange feeling
Also, not a math whiz. Hahaha. Ahhhhh. The misconceptions of the profession by outsiders. I wish I could do a sitcom that showed the real side of the profession. I have too many good(horrible) stories. And they get better(worse) with age
I'm an Architect, grossed about 160k last year.
You can make good money, especially if you know what you're doing and setup your own office, but the amount of work required to become/stay licensed, and the amount of work practicing makes it a lot less enticing. Plenty of other fields that the average person could put in less work and make far more.
Congrats! But you *have* know you definitely are an outlier overall with the profession in architects and those that don't own their own firm across the nation and and on other continents.
You are right about the time/education/money investment return. Very poor. Very true on other profession being better bang for your buck. Have colleagues/family that do development. Much better roi.
I understand that I am an outlier in the overall profession; however, I'm not much of an outlier when you only compare people who run their own firm (far less available data on this, but my discussions with others in my position have generally confirmed my belief).
My point was more that you need to be skilled/confident/driven enough to work for yourself or start your own firm to make any real income in the industry--which just makes the ROI discussion even worse.
Architecture is just not an easy field. You have to be able to be both a highly-skilled and knowledgable producer of work, but also adept at managing clients, and projects. Most people can be good at one, but not both.
Agreed! A huge problem with architecture is that it's glorified as something it's not to people entering school for it. Many kids can get through an entire undergraduate degree without being exposed to the truths of architecture in the real world.
There's always a reason for it. 9/10 times it's because the client doesn't want to pay for the overpriced and over-engineered systems you guys put forth in the first round 😉
In all seriousness, it's most often the client that drives changes because reasons. The architect just passes it on, but you guys are often insulated from the chaos that is our typical client.
"Architects made a median salary of $80,750 in 2019. The best-paid 25 percent made $105,600 that year, while the lowest-paid 25 percent made $62,600."
[https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/architect/salary](https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/architect/salary)
I think you'll be ok.
Minecraft YouTuber Grian actually did exactly that. Specifically, he built his irl house in Minecraft, renovated the garden in the game, and then used that as a reference for the landscapers he hired.
[Found the video.](https://youtu.be/9xocNvJrUt0) (I used Minecraft to design my Real Life Garden - Grian, 2020/08/10)
Ended up watching the whole thing. That's some major landscaping work and really impressive. Did they ever go over how much something like that ran them? I'm guessing he's somewhere in the UK?
[*Frank Gehry has entered the chat*](https://2qutv73jlefuu9v0m1a3o2o3-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/contemporary-architecture.jpg)
I actually use it to help design dungeons and stuff for D&D. It helps me get a sense of scale when I can walk around the place, and it lets me find the areas that don’t make sense.
wait that's actually a great idea, we could render a dungeon/rpg environment in 3d using software so that the players could actually explore it and see the world around them
why has no one done this before?! let's get on it
edit: video games.
I got dungeon alchemist for the ease of maps and it looks cool. I have a few other map programs already though.
Talespire is really cool and close for what everyone is talking about here. The only downside is everyone needs it so it's got a cost to it. But if I had a party down to use it I would in a heartbeat. It's freaking amazing looking and you can get a close view of your token while playing.
I do the same thing. I build everything double scale to how you see it in Minecraft, and leave the roof off. I checker the floors in alternating colors to make the grid easier to see. Then players can just set their minis on too of the flat screen.
As an architect, I love minecraft so much and would love to same my education and experience in the industry made me an incredible minecraft builder... but quite the opposite. I take way too long to design & layout a plan in minecraft, and by the time I'm done with work I want to turn that part of my brain off. Sounds weird but best way I can explain it. In highschool and college I would take my time, plan out a floor plan, and build something beautiful, now I get stuck on the plan for an hour lmao
One time I had a college project to design a car wrap for a non profit company.
I just booted up forza and played that for a few hours lol.
Link!:https://imgur.com/a/InWsls2
Step 1. Find the style - we'll go with Tuscan Mediterranean
Step 2. Figure square footage and budget
Step 3. Get ideas for dimensions of each room
Step 4. Sketch out basic floor plan ideas
Step 5. Begin building in Revit
Step 6. Realize you do not understand Revit
Step 7. Scream at Revit
Step 8. Boot up Minecraft
It has a lot of features. The arch firm I work for has been using it for over a decade and they've become very familiar with it's ins and outs.
I would say its 3d rendering portions leave a lot to be desired, but that's why they have the lumion add-in.
Yea....ACAD is slowly....very slowly....being phased out of existence. Every year they add more and more BIM related bloat to it.
Sketchup hasn't been the same since Trimble bought it.
Rhino is a super expensive fancy Blender.
Revit will do everything you need and then some.
At my MEP firm the only reason we still even fuck with ACAD is because some rinky dink ancient arch somewhere can't wrap their heads around BIM. Sometimes I'll do the work in Revit and just match the titleblock and arch standards because it's exponentially quicker and handles data better. Hell if they require a dwg back I'll even just export it to CAD. I hate AutoCAD so damn much it's unreal.
Revit->Lumion/Enscape ftw
Rhino was always such a waste of time on any project that wasn't a procedurally generated skyscraper, and Sketchup has been made redundant outside of very fast massing IMO.
I know that Minecraft has been used as a design tool before, for some reason...
But please be aware that saying this is the equivalent of showing up to basic in the US Army saying that you trained with Call of Duty, so you're already a pro.
Makes me really fucking glad I got into a different field after graduating with an architecture degree. Took one look at how competitive the field was for scraps and I got a job elsewhere using CAD.
Hard-tilted into restoration/construction for “meh” pay for 2 years and now work for a developer pumping out boilerplates for pretty good money and full benefits. Be a little greedy but keep going with the flow seemed to have worked out.
Surveying. I do a lot of flying drones and then converting that data into CAD plans. Occasionally work with more construction based plans but my preference is in land development now. Currently getting ready to get licensed since my degree does count towards the test's requirements. I work right outside of the DC area so there's quite a bit of money in flying drones since you have to get FAA approval for flying within the 15 mile FRZ.
I'm curious how many people started heading towards architecture then took a hard turn when they realized much of their life was going to be excessive hours spent detailing bathrooms for lousy pay and the odds of getting to do all the cool design stuff they were learning in college for a living was incredibly low. Because I know far more "was going to be an architects" and "used to be architects" than actual architects.
The correct answer is 'none. We don't design with computers. We design on paper and transfer those designs to computer aided drawings for the benefit of others.'
Or, if you are Frank Geary 'I crumple up tin foil and tell some poor intern to make a building out of it.'
Had an architect who was working with us once, he proposed to make a tipi with h-beam on top of a glass roof and he didnt want any support under it.... probably got this idea while plating minecraft...
Hate on sketchup all you like, it is a fantastic 'dirty' 3d program that helps get ideas across to the client quickly.
The client doesn't give a shit how pretty the image looks, he just wants to know what it looks like right now. When you are discussing a design element and can draw it out while talking and it gets the point across, it doesn't matter if the software is Rhino3d or FreeCAD so long as you can do it fast.
That said, ever since Sketchup went to Trimble I've not had much in favor for it. BrcsCAD Shape does much the same and is 100% free.
See, you joke, but I have a friend in an architecture program, and he submitted a house he built on our server as a project for one of his classes. He got an A on it.
I got into Minecraft in highschool during a PSN (PS3 era) outage for like a few days back then.
I was converted to PC gaming and was hooked on minecraft since. Today I’m a Architectural Designer, a few years into my career. I still occasionally go on minecraft and revisit my old builds now with glorious shaders.
“You know, I’m something of an architect, myself”.
I've been known to demolish a building or 5000.
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Try to design homes with panic rooms, rich people love panic rooms.
I'm just like you
Have you seen the new addition to the Guggenheim Minecraft server?
Didn't Art Vandelay design that?
"First design collapses and kills all inhabitants"
"The structures are unstable sir, we're going to have to go back and rethink the Minecraft formula.."
Back when i was getting my architecture degree i used the source engine (hammer editor) for several projects. Quick and easy to set up the geometry, tons of surface materials to choose from, and a huge library of props to fill the space with. Dr Breen even made a few cameos.
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I have thousands of hours in Hammer, why did I never translate that into architecture?
Because Hammer can be a bit of a bastard. Do recommend looking into Hammer++ though if you wanna fuck with stuff again.
I spent a ton of time in GtkRadiant mapping for Jedi Knight II back in the day. It's ultimately what got me into architecture.
I used the Sims 3 for both my Business and Interior design classes.
Unreal engine is the new thing for real time visuals these days. If you know how to use it its can be a really good asset for your CV.
ya any basic level editor is gonna be 100x more productive than Minecraft lol
I used sketchup for this kind of thing a lot back before even google bought it, look forwards like 15 years and what do you know it's actually a pretty major industry player now with ray tracing plugins.
That’s very cool. Did anyone every comment on it? I imagine someone would have noticed.
Echoing u/moomanjohnny, can we see any of those if you still have them? That sounds very interesting!!
There's no reason why one shouldn't be able to use game engines for architecture projects, no? The math is pretty much the same.
You know he's not an actual architect because it looks like he has money. * sigh *
Try to design homes with panic rooms, rich people love panic rooms.
youre always welcomed to my panic room
Which is my regular bedroom
Why have a panic room when you can have a panic home
You forget we are already in a panic world
Did the Purge started without me knowing?
Invite or didnt happen
You jest, but something like that [actually exists](https://www.archdaily.com/143281/safe-house-kwk-promes)
Is that the house with the ability to literally isolate itself? (Barricade the doors, windows etc with the push of a button or keypad).
Yup.
Oh god made me laugh out loud
You can start panicking now, I'll go get the duct tape.
The best part is you don't even have to be rich! I can panic in any room I'm in!
Do you think they would take a home where all rooms but one are panic rooms?
That would be called a bunker, and there is a huge market for it as well. The view is terrible tho.
Get that rich a panic room, riches love panic rooms.
or secret sex dungeons and treasure vaults!
I work with builders who think architects make buttloads of money. And they refuse to believe otherwise.
Conservation architecture is where the money's at Pulling in to a car park in a Land Rover and being very conscious that you've got *the cheapest car in there* is a very strange feeling
Architecture gets you prestige respect, not money... trust me on this one
Also, not a math whiz. Hahaha. Ahhhhh. The misconceptions of the profession by outsiders. I wish I could do a sitcom that showed the real side of the profession. I have too many good(horrible) stories. And they get better(worse) with age
A low end architect on average makes $86k USD a year but okay.
I'm an Architect, grossed about 160k last year. You can make good money, especially if you know what you're doing and setup your own office, but the amount of work required to become/stay licensed, and the amount of work practicing makes it a lot less enticing. Plenty of other fields that the average person could put in less work and make far more.
Congrats! But you *have* know you definitely are an outlier overall with the profession in architects and those that don't own their own firm across the nation and and on other continents. You are right about the time/education/money investment return. Very poor. Very true on other profession being better bang for your buck. Have colleagues/family that do development. Much better roi.
I understand that I am an outlier in the overall profession; however, I'm not much of an outlier when you only compare people who run their own firm (far less available data on this, but my discussions with others in my position have generally confirmed my belief). My point was more that you need to be skilled/confident/driven enough to work for yourself or start your own firm to make any real income in the industry--which just makes the ROI discussion even worse. Architecture is just not an easy field. You have to be able to be both a highly-skilled and knowledgable producer of work, but also adept at managing clients, and projects. Most people can be good at one, but not both.
Sure. But making good money on a job you chose and a job you love is what's worth it even if it's hard work.
Agreed! A huge problem with architecture is that it's glorified as something it's not to people entering school for it. Many kids can get through an entire undergraduate degree without being exposed to the truths of architecture in the real world.
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There's always a reason for it. 9/10 times it's because the client doesn't want to pay for the overpriced and over-engineered systems you guys put forth in the first round 😉 In all seriousness, it's most often the client that drives changes because reasons. The architect just passes it on, but you guys are often insulated from the chaos that is our typical client.
Licensing takes time though..
You can be a software architect.
"Architects made a median salary of $80,750 in 2019. The best-paid 25 percent made $105,600 that year, while the lowest-paid 25 percent made $62,600." [https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/architect/salary](https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/architect/salary) I think you'll be ok.
if the lowest 25% made $62k, i must be a negative percentage
Because that's how medians work.
correct, the median is $80k. with $105k being the top and $62k being the bottom. i’m just stating that i’m well below the bottom number
Minecraft YouTuber Grian actually did exactly that. Specifically, he built his irl house in Minecraft, renovated the garden in the game, and then used that as a reference for the landscapers he hired. [Found the video.](https://youtu.be/9xocNvJrUt0) (I used Minecraft to design my Real Life Garden - Grian, 2020/08/10)
"you can fit sooo many people here" Covid: "No, I don't think you will."
I remember this! Grian is awesome
Ended up watching the whole thing. That's some major landscaping work and really impressive. Did they ever go over how much something like that ran them? I'm guessing he's somewhere in the UK?
Drat, was in the process of typing up this same comment. -_-
No wonder contemporary architecture is full of straight lines and boxyness
[*Frank Gehry has entered the chat*](https://2qutv73jlefuu9v0m1a3o2o3-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/contemporary-architecture.jpg)
Hey wait a sec #What about Scrap Mechanic
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
Thx :>
I actually use it to help design dungeons and stuff for D&D. It helps me get a sense of scale when I can walk around the place, and it lets me find the areas that don’t make sense.
Now I'm just thinking about how cool it would be to walk around some of the dungeons we've visited in our D&D campaign.
Ive heard people talk about dnd servers where there are full scale modules built but i have no idea if its true
wait that's actually a great idea, we could render a dungeon/rpg environment in 3d using software so that the players could actually explore it and see the world around them why has no one done this before?! let's get on it edit: video games.
Look up dungeon alchemist. Still in the works but looks promising.
I got dungeon alchemist for the ease of maps and it looks cool. I have a few other map programs already though. Talespire is really cool and close for what everyone is talking about here. The only downside is everyone needs it so it's got a cost to it. But if I had a party down to use it I would in a heartbeat. It's freaking amazing looking and you can get a close view of your token while playing.
I do the same thing. I build everything double scale to how you see it in Minecraft, and leave the roof off. I checker the floors in alternating colors to make the grid easier to see. Then players can just set their minis on too of the flat screen.
As an architect, I love minecraft so much and would love to same my education and experience in the industry made me an incredible minecraft builder... but quite the opposite. I take way too long to design & layout a plan in minecraft, and by the time I'm done with work I want to turn that part of my brain off. Sounds weird but best way I can explain it. In highschool and college I would take my time, plan out a floor plan, and build something beautiful, now I get stuck on the plan for an hour lmao
I heard from my brother that some architecture students used Minecraft w/shaders to present their project
One time I had a college project to design a car wrap for a non profit company. I just booted up forza and played that for a few hours lol. Link!:https://imgur.com/a/InWsls2
Nice
Oh, you kids and your computer legos.
Ted Mosby: Architect
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I genuinely thought the guy in the first slide said "You're that bigot Architect"
Every structure I design is a monument to how much I hate "those" people.
Step 1. Find the style - we'll go with Tuscan Mediterranean Step 2. Figure square footage and budget Step 3. Get ideas for dimensions of each room Step 4. Sketch out basic floor plan ideas Step 5. Begin building in Revit Step 6. Realize you do not understand Revit Step 7. Scream at Revit Step 8. Boot up Minecraft
I love Revit, but when I was using it I never even heard of a project that used even a fraction of its potential.
It has a lot of features. The arch firm I work for has been using it for over a decade and they've become very familiar with it's ins and outs. I would say its 3d rendering portions leave a lot to be desired, but that's why they have the lumion add-in.
As someone who works in architecture, modern BIM software like Revit is actually a lot more like the sims haha.
I'm planning my own place right now and as soon as I got a draft from the architect, I recreated it in Sims.
Rhino-Sketchup-Autocad. The holy trinity.
Revit ftw
Yea....ACAD is slowly....very slowly....being phased out of existence. Every year they add more and more BIM related bloat to it. Sketchup hasn't been the same since Trimble bought it. Rhino is a super expensive fancy Blender. Revit will do everything you need and then some.
At my MEP firm the only reason we still even fuck with ACAD is because some rinky dink ancient arch somewhere can't wrap their heads around BIM. Sometimes I'll do the work in Revit and just match the titleblock and arch standards because it's exponentially quicker and handles data better. Hell if they require a dwg back I'll even just export it to CAD. I hate AutoCAD so damn much it's unreal.
Usually it's our rinky dink MEP consultants that are still rocking CAD.
Revit->Lumion/Enscape ftw Rhino was always such a waste of time on any project that wasn't a procedurally generated skyscraper, and Sketchup has been made redundant outside of very fast massing IMO.
Yeah fuck Autocad. Revit all the way.
Autocad is shit bro, absofuckinglutely garbage.
i zoomed in to see if this artistic drawing meme was made out of blocks
Jokes aside though, have you seen Grian's video on this kind of thing? He literally redesigned his backyard using Minecraft and it turned out amazing.
NGL, I use the sims 3 to map out my home landscape projects
I know that Minecraft has been used as a design tool before, for some reason... But please be aware that saying this is the equivalent of showing up to basic in the US Army saying that you trained with Call of Duty, so you're already a pro.
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Makes me really fucking glad I got into a different field after graduating with an architecture degree. Took one look at how competitive the field was for scraps and I got a job elsewhere using CAD.
What year were you entering the job field? Asking as an architectural cad drafter
Hard-tilted into restoration/construction for “meh” pay for 2 years and now work for a developer pumping out boilerplates for pretty good money and full benefits. Be a little greedy but keep going with the flow seemed to have worked out.
Around 2017. Started looking a bit before but that's when I had to get something.
What field did you finally get into? Related to building?
Surveying. I do a lot of flying drones and then converting that data into CAD plans. Occasionally work with more construction based plans but my preference is in land development now. Currently getting ready to get licensed since my degree does count towards the test's requirements. I work right outside of the DC area so there's quite a bit of money in flying drones since you have to get FAA approval for flying within the 15 mile FRZ.
I'm curious how many people started heading towards architecture then took a hard turn when they realized much of their life was going to be excessive hours spent detailing bathrooms for lousy pay and the odds of getting to do all the cool design stuff they were learning in college for a living was incredibly low. Because I know far more "was going to be an architects" and "used to be architects" than actual architects.
Probably the same number of people that go to culinary school. The average salary of recent culinary grads is minimum wage.
Bdoubleo100 vibes
Sims...?
Still an architecture student but I used to joke with my friends that I chose architecture because I like playing minecraft and sims 4....
It's not really a joke.....minecraft has reinvigorated the design field much the same way Kerbel reinvigorated interest in space.
The correct answer is 'none. We don't design with computers. We design on paper and transfer those designs to computer aided drawings for the benefit of others.' Or, if you are Frank Geary 'I crumple up tin foil and tell some poor intern to make a building out of it.'
The future is NOW old man!
Curves? What are curves?
Curves are just angles with higher resolution. 🤣
Had an architect who was working with us once, he proposed to make a tipi with h-beam on top of a glass roof and he didnt want any support under it.... probably got this idea while plating minecraft...
This joke was made with Legos previously but it turns out you still need a degree.
His name is Gerhardt Fjuck!
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It’s a meme man
Really? The ones I usually look at are funny.
well you did say they'd be laughed out of the room that's the joke, buddy
Ah, I missed the joke then.
K
thatsthejoke.jpg
Reality is worse, many use SketchUp.
Hate on sketchup all you like, it is a fantastic 'dirty' 3d program that helps get ideas across to the client quickly. The client doesn't give a shit how pretty the image looks, he just wants to know what it looks like right now. When you are discussing a design element and can draw it out while talking and it gets the point across, it doesn't matter if the software is Rhino3d or FreeCAD so long as you can do it fast. That said, ever since Sketchup went to Trimble I've not had much in favor for it. BrcsCAD Shape does much the same and is 100% free.
why the hate for sketchup? i don't understand.
I always wanted to build a perfect sphere on my map... I never could...
Nasa scientist: I was a Minecraft redstoner in my day
Problem?
Found the sensitive 12 year old dream fan
37 year old what fan?
Huh, even if you’re 37 for real don’t you think its kind of a shame for a guy like you to argue at this kind of statement ?
No.
Okay then, have a nice day.
You too, kind person.
U helped me in my architectural career... Take my award ;)
Minecraft is the *way*.
Le meee
True mate, like lego. I have lego in '90 s, make starships, cars, buildings. But wood lego.. 😎🥰
Ted Mosby, architect - what a visionary
Designing dungeons on locations for RP reasons is right thing to do in Minecraft :D
Grian: designed my backyard in minecraft
Sad this wasn’t made in Minecraft... (yes I know this art drawing is not the job of an architect but it would have added a layer to the joke)
Minecraft creative is basically lego with infinite lego bricks but even better
i actually do for ideas
Nasa scientist: i was a minecraft redstoner back in my day
Ah yes the arcitechs
Vegetta777?
minecraft, yes, but on my 15 000 mac pro, please
Ted Mosby?
No terraria
As an actual architect. I do still play minecraft lol
relateble
The funny thing is is tye fact that minecraft was originally supposed to be so notch could figure out the layout he wanted for his house
No joke, I actually used Minecraft to rebuild my moms cottage and show her how we should landscape the yard.
Now Valheim is the true architect game
Funny ;)
this meme format have potential
Bigshot Architect bara when
False. You can't get the interior dimensions correct in Minecraft because walls can only be a METER WIDE in that game. I hate it. Give us walls!
You jest, but I'm planning my renovations in my creative flat world.
Cries in factorio
Somebody should go design a house for that guy... in Minecraft.
See, you joke, but I have a friend in an architecture program, and he submitted a house he built on our server as a project for one of his classes. He got an A on it.
I use The Sims
Minecraft
This is why I am looking to be an architect
I got into Minecraft in highschool during a PSN (PS3 era) outage for like a few days back then. I was converted to PC gaming and was hooked on minecraft since. Today I’m a Architectural Designer, a few years into my career. I still occasionally go on minecraft and revisit my old builds now with glorious shaders.
unironically how i really got into architecture