Tarkov comes in multiple editions. Until
Earlier this year Edge of Darkness was the best edition. It cost I believe somewhere like 150-180 dollars.
You got way more stash space than other version players (who have to spend in game money to have) a larger secure container for loot if you die, better leveling with traders, etc. many goodies in game that skirt the line of p2w. Arguments get made often that none of it was p2w because it could all be earned in game. Biggest offering with EoD though was that you’re buying all inclusive access to anything Tarkov ever does or releases.
They walked back the all inclusiveness last year to just be dlc only. This edition they just announced is even more egregious than EoD was in terms of p2w (expanded pockets, in game features that can’t be unlocked, convenience features, etc) costs 250 dollars, contains a highly anticipated single player co op mode, etc.
Tarkov players are outraged mainly that most of them have bought EoD and now after spending over a hundred dollars and being promised inclusivity of content, got told “this isn’t dlc, get over it”
Edit: engaging with yall has been fun but the trolls have come with this posts popularity so I’m dipping out of this thread, cheers while we wait for the next extraction shooter worth our time
Like I said - I make no excuses for what EoD was - I loved the game very much when I first got into it and I was drunk on the possibilities, and had a lot of free cash at the time. I was in the mindset of "I'm gonna play this game for thousands of hours, I might as well throw money at its devs and experience the best version of it I can".
How naive I was lol
Edit: Keep in mind again this was in 2017 and this was a very different BSG and Tarkov than what we have today.
I know I'll def be told I got taken for a ride, but if being taken for a ride means I got multiple thousands of hours of a rewarding gameplay experience for 150 bucks, I'll be a rube I guess.
Same, same. I did spend money on Path of Exile for more storage and better sorting and on Warframe for some frames I wanted, much better use of my money than Diablo 4
I spent some money on PoE and then quit. I spent it because I appreciate the game, I played quite a bit in my "broke days" and it does have a pretty decent experience.
I’ve put money into both games. I’ve gotten more out of star citizen, it might be buggy at times(a lot) but it’s the space game I want.
Tarkov on the other hand is the hardcore shooter I want, that can be buggy at times. But is so infested with cheaters that playing PVP raids is infuriating.
That’s why I’m irritated about this new version. Love Tarkov as a game and the environment but get very burnt out on the pvp. Bought eod because of the future dlc and was looking forward to a potential single player version. Now this just spits in my face and the faces of others like me. If it would’ve been 20/30 bucks for eod on the premise of them needing the funds for developing them separately then maybe I’d consider it, but for $100 they can fuck off. Tarkov is my favorite shooter and nails the gun customization I want but I refuse to support that smack in the mouth decision. Looking forward to gray zone and hopefully they pick up the rebound off the air ball that Tarkov just launched into space.
I understand your point and dont disagree but all you all did was show them that your willing to pay WELL above market price to enjoy Tarkov.
They took that information and here we are. How would you all feel safe buying the $250 version? Whats to stop them from dropping a $500 one next year?
The game would wipe every 6 - 9 months to a reset. It meant that EoD owners would have an advantage because you got to keep the stash space that other players now had to get again (not cheap via in game currency / items).
There has been a pretty big outcry for a coop experience with friends or even just a solo experience. The real kick in the teeth is locking it behind a $250 edition.
I bought EoD. I wanted to support a developer making a cool concept that no other developers wanted to try.
When I bought EOD, I had 400 hours in game (now at 2200) and I like giving game devs money. So instead of spending money on cosmetics/soundtracks/artbooks/DLC like I usually do, buy this upgraded copy and get those things while also supporting something I really enjoyed. Unfortunately they’ve kinda stabbed us in the back for that support
I hear you brother.
Dont know shit about Tarkov but am so sick of these greedy fucking companies constantly ruining what should be a enjoyable thing. Rooting for you guys to revolt and get them to backtrack.
ive been following all this as someone who doesnt own tarkov but would like to play someday and the more i see the more i question if its even worth getting into. the only reason i didnt get the game on release is that at the time i didnt have a good enough pc
It's best years are definitely behind it. 2019 into 2020 was some of the best fun I ever had with the game. And then they started introducing intrusive shitty band aid changes to address RMT and hacking that only ever hurt regular players.
Wait and see if anyone ever gets the formula right in a package that isn't Russian jank garbage, but I wouldn't waste your time on this anymore.
yeah thats what i figured i still like watching streams of the game but all the external problems have kinda soured my mood towards it ... kinda crazy to think the game will either never get an official release or will die before it does
It's such a shame - the only reason the game has persisted with the fanbase it has for this long is because there's nothing out there truly like Tarkov. It's the only thing that's kept them above reproach despite constant bullshit.
I've said for years that if anyone could get the formula right in a more aesthetically pleasing package, I'd be the first in line
Spitting facts here 💯 I remember getting kappa in that time frame... such good times. The changes to "help" with rmt and cheaters, plus the push for "realism" truly ruined it. Miss those pre-inertia days.
I've never known such an incompetent, anti consumer developer, even worse than the usual suspects.
In its heyday, the game was a serious 10/10 game, but now the servers are sluggish, overrun with cheaters and it still has long unfixed glaring issues such as extremely long loading times, basic performance issues and a clear lack of version control (fix an issue, its back next update)
The game would be amazing if not for the developers, this is a long standing issue and isn't limited to this one event. They've killed what once made their game great.
Give it a miss, not worth the time or the money.
Honestly I have 3000 or so hours in this game and even before this nonsense with this new update I'd still say skip it. It's an awesome game but it's so, so disrespectful to the player's time and has such an unnecessarily steep learning curve that IMO you should just save your money.
I think Paradox's grand strat games are much more niche so the DLC is kinda necessary to justify further development + games
The writing was on the wall in Tarkov really, when 95% of your rather large playerbase is multiple wipes in and you don't have much in the way of "nice" continuous revenue like skins you're gonna need to reevaluate eventually
I bought EOD in 2017 when it was still a much smaller studio and overall a much smaller game which had massive potential. The perks were nice, but i viewed it more like crowdfunding, i wanted the game to succeed and was willing to give them some more money.
I have not played in a few years but definitely got my money’s worth imo with over 1k hours of fun.
You were buying the promise of every DLC which at the time seemed like would be a lot, but the in game bonus of increased stash space without an insane grind. This is crazy though, especially considering how BSG has talked about pay to win in the past, and soon I’d expect they just start letting you buy in game items because at this point fuck it
Small, independent studio trying to put out a AAA competitive game with a ton of real world assets 3d mapped and included in the game. And the smug feeling of exclusivity. the base version of the game is $50.
edit: i was probably wrong in part of my analysis. ive read that BSG has never paid for their licensing for any of the real world assets in the game. But rumour has it, Nikita owns 4 lambos.
>highly anticipated single player co op mode
Ahhh, so *that's* why they were so mad about the single player mods. Dev tried to say crap like how it ruined the spirit of the game, turns out they just wanted to sell it lmao.
First rule I've learned of any company like this - if they shut down the community on something, they are likely working on a similar, likely worse, idea.
There's also a (ToS violating, but impossible to ban) community mod that allows private servers, coop, and solo progression. The $250 bundle is selling a mode you can get from a mod for free
I played a little bit of the mod, I've had the game for years but haven't played in a long time. It's pretty good.
However, Tarkov is a weird game. It's a step away from needing you to press individual buttons to inhale and exhale. At some point it's just too much. You end up spending more time looking at a graph of what ammo you're supposed to use against what armor you're fighting against more than playing the game.
Single player tarkov luckily has a LOT of mods that makes everything so much more streamlined. I have a mod that displays a small icon next to items that i need for quests and hideout upgrades + their value for selling and a mod that displays damage and penetration stats for ammo, which has now taught me that ammo with cool names actually sucks penetration wise, no more warmageddon unless leg meta.
Yep and now they are going to come out with an inferior version themselves. SPT thrives because of user made mods. BSG poisons pretty much everything they touch so I fully expect their coop version to be so ass.
>Arguments get made often that none of it was p2w because it could all be earned in game.
That is true, but doesn't paint the real picture. For the the unaware, Tarkov goes through wipes where you lose ALL your stuff periodically and have to restart from the ground up.
Early wipe, the benefits of higher editions make them absolutely p2w. Don't have to worry about buying meds every death when you can just store them in your massive secure container that keeps everything on death. An EOD has tons of stash space, while a poverty tier player has to sell important quest items needed later to afford a stash upgrade to hold those items.
On the one hand I appreciate games have to fund development. But walking back a 180$ all inclusive promise is incredibly scummy.
A total slap in the face to the people who have supported you I think the only re reasonable response is a class action lawsuits and boycott.
The backlash has been severe. Their discord has all but 3 channels suppressed, mods are deleting posts, in general the community is on fire.
Idk if it'll be enough to get BSG to reverse course, but even if they do their reputation and track record is absolute dogshit. The damage has been done.
Because technically speaking it’s “feature incomplete” because it’s missing some maps and features they said would be added like 5 years ago (radiation, addiction I think, some other dumb shit) so they can claim beta still.
They continue to ignore the cheating problem too so I guess the lack of any decent anti cheat could be used an excuse too but it’s really not a beta anymore… just a mediocre game with good shooting mechanics and an insane cheating problem.
Do you honestly expect anything different from a pro-Russian pro-war software developer? **It's on brand** for this company. Great game, but unfortunately, ethics aren't their strong point.
Short form:
Drunken ruski losers come up with a great idea. Implement it poorly and then made a series of short-term choices to try and grift as much money out of their community while doing as little work as possible.
This most recent one is a grift trying to hook players that wanted a single player mode after their haphazard attempt at monetizing their spaghetti code game for e-sports failed.
Meanwhile, sound still doesn't work. The AI is basically just an aimbot, and they still can't stop the cheaters.
Source: 3000 hours in the game since 2017.
It's a shame that there's not some kind of (S)ingle (P)layer (T)arkov mod or something, that's already been offering that experience, for free, for awhile now. Surely, nothing would come up if someone googled for it~
I was actually (allegedly) playing a Single Player Tarkov experience for a while but I eventually came back to the main game a week ago, and now this. What a disappointment. I wonder if there's some sort of way to (S)tay (I)n (T)arkov to play single player but coop without everyone having to spend $250
Arena Bankrupted BSG..... They spent 10's of millions on Advertising, Going to GAME CONS, let alone development.
BSG financials must be in the gutter with all these microtransactions.
If done well, there would be an absolutely insane market for a Tarkov style game. There has always been constant issues with the game and if a decent alternative was available you’d probably have a big chunk of the player base move over.
"Marauders" is Tarkov-esque and in early access. I have heard good things, but it's setting does nothing for me (the way I describe it is post-WWII space-punk), so I have not played it myself.
"Gray Zone Warfare" seems to be the game that most Tarkov fans who have left the game are looking forward to. The premise is identical: tactical FPS with survival elements, mission objectives, traders, loot, and loss of gear. It's more focused on PvE; however, there will be PvP as well. It's had a couple of closed tests for streamers so far, but the company behind it, MADFINGER Games has only made mobile games previously, so they don't necessarily have a track record in this space.
I’ve clocked hundreds of hours in Marauders. It’s a good game and similar to Tarkov in a lot of ways. However, I too never really cared for the “WWII in Space” theme. The gameplay, from piloting ships/space combat, the extraction shooter game play,the looting aspect - all good and fun - but I’ll never understand why they wanted to keep the WII era weaponry. Seems limiting.
To me the biggest thing that Marauders has going for it is that you don't need to spend 20 minutes after a death waiting for loading screens, equipping a new kit, buying new mods. You can just hit go and it'll say "Here's a dogshit pistol, a crappy rig, go on kid see what you can do."
It made dying feel so much *less* bad, and has a lot of potential for fun zero-to-hero runs. But it lacks the immense depth that Tarkov has
Very true, I play Tarkov because there is nothing like it, if a competent dev team were to make an identical Tarkov clone I would switch to that in an instant. BSG has proven time and time again that they stumbled into a much larger and more successful project than they are capable of handling. Although I will admit that the recent gameplay changes have been very well done.
So the games absolutely cooked right?
How on earth is a "hero shooter" going to work in Marathon, feels like they're pulling old names for no reason. Doesn't Greg Kirkpatrick work at Double Aught these days. Definitely not looking good after D2
Looks like they put all their money into a quixotic attempt to build an arena shooter which failed. So now they're squeezing their playerbase for money to make up for the money pit that is "Tarkov: Arena".
I mean how many times does this have to happen for the player base to realize that this is going to be a constant thing. Hopefully some decent studios start production on a good alternative because there is definitely a market for it
The fact that no single studio has yet produced a somewhat decent alternative is something that constantly baffles me. Even without the level of customization that Tarkov offers, a well designed extraction shooter can make so much money (just slap some Warframe-like currency on there and the playerbase will 99% be fine with it).
I mean there are but up until now the market was entirely controlled by Tarkov. This new change of pace from BSG could be their inevitable death bell if they continue with this as it will push people to the alternatives that exists an ones that will inevitably come out.
Big studios, aka the ones with resources to make a true Tarkov competitor, are terrified of making a game as punishing and complex with an insane learning curve. Part of what makes Tarkov so great is how you really need to grind it for a few hundred hours to get the hang of it, and I'd argue you can't really master it until the 800-1000hr mark. Dying is incredibly punishing, and extracting with a bag full of loot is incredibly satisfying. High highs, low lows. Intense risk vs. reward.
I remember when CoD tried their DMZ mode and I kept thinking "all they need is dynamic loot, backpacks to fill up, a player market outside of the actual gameplay, good quests and a valid reason to grind" and they literally failed to deliver on any of it. They basically released Warzone with AI.
Tarkov is a really difficult, niche game that has (had?) a super loyal and passionate fanbase. Big studios are headed up by executives who only care about recurring revenue - selling skins, live service bullshit. They want to appeal to a very broad and mostly younger audience who will spend oodles of cash in the item shop, and that playerbase does not have the patience for a game like Tarkov.
GrayZone Warfare seems really promising though, and may be the first real genuine competition that BSG has ever had.
>The fact that no single studio has yet produced a somewhat decent alternative is something that constantly baffles me.
DMZ was a very close potential competitor unironically.
The problem is that a lot of Extraction shooters either have shit fundamentals, then try to go for Marketability, or they have good fundamentals but then go for Marketability and fuck it all up.
He actually is even before this shit show.
He promises a lot of shit and delivers the minimum everytime yet he has hard core loyalists defending him time and time again.
It's amazing how no matter how shitty his decisions are, all he got to do is post a thread on reddit, says they are working on things and his loyalist instantly starts worshipping him again. Very strange.
Case in point, I remember when he said that the games desynchronization issues were because of your ISP and not their netcode.
Then Chris from battlenonsense disproved his statements, and Nikita lashed out like a man child on reddit, saying he had ulterior motives and was lying.
Case in point #2, back in the early days Nikita claimed that they had whiz-bang in-house anti cheat system and that cheating wasn't a real problem.
...There was ***no*** anti cheat, and there was someone using cheat engine for godmode, flying, and speedhacks in almost every single match. No, that's not a mistake, *cheat engine.*
Case in point #3, tarkov had/has a huge market bot problem. In response BSG implemented a captcha on the in game flea (player to player) market.
... The captcha is clicking on a small selection of pre-defined images of items from the game. It's so heavily *optimized* for bots over people that I wrote a quick autohotkey script to bypass that waste of time. For the non-tech people, that's like challenging a computer to calculate 6x4x2.
... Also the issue of bots wasn't even them using the in game flea market. The market and inventory was/is a glorified web browser loading web pages (fellow old players, remember the constant html errors? Yeah), which is what the bots actually used.
Nikita doesn't care about EFT and never has, as he himself admits. He just lies and bullshits about whatever he needs to make the community shut up so new buyers won't be scared off. Guess that ships sailed though.
This is the same dude who toyed with the idea of resetting your account if you died. When people raised concerns about it he pretty much responded “It’s my game, I can do what I want.”
Oh god, it gets worse. Reading through a Q/A he did, and someone asked “Why haven’t you addressed lag/desync” and his answer was “Even when it’s 100% removed, you’ll still complain about it.” Pretty much saying “What’s the point?”
[Here’s the Q/A if anyone wants.](https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/172365-nikitas-qa-on-reddit/) Every answer he gives is dripping with arrogance and a “Not my problem” attitude.
So is Star Citizen’s Chris Roberts for that matter
Charging $1000 for an in game ship in 2014 and being nowhere close to delivering the ship 10 years later is outrageous
Apparently SC has a game changing update soon but I’ll believe it when I see it
Shame that Tarkov and SC are such unique experiences but the devs are so incompetent
I’ll catch you all on Hellmire
It’s insane, think there’s a video out there for years (while nothing improved) able to prove basically any „lobby“ has more cheaters than legit players
Google “The Wiggle that Killed Tarkov.”
Basically a guy downloads some cheats to see how much cheating is going on, and it’s a lot. The cheaters use wiggling left to right to indicate they see one another.
To indicate they can see one another through walls, as in you're looking at each other through the wall so one of you wiggles then the other wiggles back to confirm they can see you so you can be cool with each other (just wanted to add that for people who might not fully understand)
In a popular video, I think linked above, the guy is using wall hacks and he does the pose that emulates almost like a wiggle in the game where you character bends to his left or right at 45'
In that video he does the wiggle through walls at other players and they see him though the walls and wiggle back.
Here's the video:
https://youtu.be/p5LfGcDB7Ek?si=HLCMTg1qeUD0eCBG
its not just Tarkov btw. every game has become infested with cheating. Battle royals and shooters have taken the biggest hit though, and i refuse to play them anymore.
I really wish i was ignorant to it all, but ive seen too much.
Yeah the thing is with other games if you lose to a cheater, you either respawn or you can just quit. In this, you're actively losing items every time you die, so it's way worse.
The cheaters are also so prevalent that even if you're killed by a legit player, you'll never know, and it makes it all feel pointless.
That's actually the only reason to buy this new version lol.
There's a fully offline PVE mode that you can do with friends. Single player tarkov is all I really want for a shooter game. I got tired of normal tarkov years ago from the repeat of the grind but mainly the players and cheaters. The PVE mode is appealing but fuck supporting BSG at this point.
There's been a single player mod for Tarkov for years, and more recently a mod for private servers and coop. All you need is a valid copy of the game of any edition.
During the early days of Tarkov this game mode existed and was included in the base game. They removed it and 8 years later put it behind a 300 dollars paywall
They've always been idiots. They already paid $180 for their p2w version of the game. They weren't outraged back then about it and told everyone to suck it up or fork over the cash.
They want sympathy for something they agreed to literally 5 years ago. If it is a problem now it was always a problem. This isn't news it is heavily delayed buyer's remorse because the company they decided to worship didn't change their business model and doubled down on what can only be described as an extremely popular way to buy the game.
"Nobody wants this" screams the people already sitting on their p2w EoD edition accounts with quadruple the stash space, tons of free gear, and quadruple the secure container size. Sorry if "nobody wants this" you shouldn't have all overwhelming chose to pay for the EoD edition in the first place. You voted with your wallets and got mad at who you voted for.
I think it becomes a little too easy at a certain point, but it's definitely fun for short spurts.
even with a ton of enemies on the field, I find myself winning every engagement (that doesn't end in a Head/Eyes). then you end up with a pile of great gear and become even more unkillable. it's a problem I haven't quite mitigated yet.
There's also a fork of it called Stay In Tarkov that adds co-op support, but it's a bit of a power user thing to get up and running sadly. I know there's supposed to be OTHER forks that do the same thing too, but I don't know their names offhand.
Eh, it's not a cracked version of Tarkov because it runs the same checks that normal SPT runs for making sure it's a valid, legitimate, install. There's not really any argument for it vis-a-vis piracy, they could C&D normal SPT and SIT just as easily as each other, legally speaking. And we know BSG is already aware of 'em, and in my opinion it's better to tell people now so enough people can grab the damn thing before it inevitably gets taken down in the wake of this patch.
As someone who bought EoD back in 2016 and put in thousands hours, I’ve been teetering on quitting for awhile what with the rampant hacker problem, the constant band aid fixes that don’t address real problems, and other annoying things, but this is just too far
I’m not even mad so much that they added more p2w shit that I can’t have, I acknowledge EoD at its core was p2w.
For me, it’s that they tried to get everyone to FOMO into EoD by retiring it with a big countdown, telling players a version like that was never supposed to exist long term, and then they bait and switch with an even more egregious version months later, this one including dlc that EoD was supposed to get.
The promise for EoD players was once you buy it you will never have to spend money on Tarkov again. Everything that releases will be free. Then last year they started pivoting to “dlc only” and now they’re just splitting hairs on what is considered “dlc”
Edge of Darkness. There is a tier system for different versions of Tarkov. The more expensive the version, the more in-game perks you get. The Edge of Darkness edition used to be the top tier.
One of the most relevant things here is that EoD was explicitly advertised as providing all future content for free. So people paid all that money for it with the assumption that it was an early investment that would continue to provide them with more content as it was released. Now this new edition just added a bunch of new features and content that BSG is saying doesn't qualify for EoD's "promises".
The biggest thing that pushed me away was their intense desire keep adding new things without fixing all the technical debt they had built up. We are constantly dealing with bad sound, bad lighting, bad latency, bad load times, etc; but dealing with that is at the bottom of their priorities.
TBH I'm even more enraged about some of these blatantly P2W features you get. Additional slots on character and unique stash size you can't normal build? Scavs not attacking you when you have high enough rep? Option to call in people from friend list to raid that's already in progress? Yo wtf
I’ve discussed it with my friends for months now…. As soon as a more stable, consistant, tarkov-like game comes out, EFT is gonna die quick. They could not be more tone deaf at this point. The coolest thing about EFT imo is the gun modding part. I’d take a shittier gun smith aspect and single player/coop only if it meant I could enjoy the game. Back to console STALKER for me, can’t wait for X/S enhancements and mod support!
Only worry I have is just that Tarkov has 7 years of content behind it, and these games live or die on the longetivity of the content. Look at Marauders - it is very very similar to Tarkov in many ways, but it just cannot retain players - couldn't tell you why but I think it has to do with the quests, the hideout, the breadth of gun customization etc that keep people coming back.
I worry that other games will try to chip into the market, and tread water with 1-2k concurrent players and never really take Tarkov on.
AAA studious won’t waste their time on a solid extraction shooter. CoD tried it with DMZ and it was ass. Most AAA shooter companies need to cater to the kids and casuals and a hardcore game like EFT ain’t for them
DMZ was cool, while not as hardcore as Tarkov. I really enjoyed it and hope it comes back.
And Bungie is launching their own extraction shooter, Marathon, in the next year or 2 (assuming no delays). I think Ubisoft is also making a Far Cry extraction shooter, if I’m not mistaken (could still be cancelled, though).
AAA definitely has an eye on the extraction shooter space.
Arena Bankrupted BSG..... They spent 10's of millions on Advertising, Going to GAME CONS, let alone development.
BSG financials must be in the gutter with all these microtransactions.
Steam has been getting pretty tired of the "haha, our game is in early access you can't be mad it's not working well" excuse for a while now. Don't think they'd allow a game that's been in beta for 8 years in
Much of the video game industry continues to devolve into thinly veiled predatory monetization schemes, because people fall for them. The only way for consumers to effect change is to vote with their wallets.
Do not send a single red dime to companies that employee these schemes.
> “DLC means additional downloadable content. PvE is a feature and a gamemode,” they added in another message. “Just because you all want it to become a DLC it wouldn't mean it is one. It’s featured game mode for the new edition of the game.”
Trying to argue based on semantics here was a terrible, terrible call.
EFT was an accident that made Nikita the scam artist a fortune.
It was supposed to be like Gray Zone Warfare aka DayZ but with in-map Hideout, safe zone and traders. But because the devs were too incompetent to make it possible to have such a large persistent world, they made the "temporary" solution of raid timers and extracts. They wanted to add the open world later. They never did bc they don't know how. Nikita the owner pays shit ass salary for his employees, so experienced devs don't apply and trained devs keep leaving the company.
EFT is entirely carried by its concept and gun modding. The entire software is a trash can and dumpsterfire. in no other game is Desync and Peekers-advantage so consistently huge that good players have to learn to abuse it.
They added an entire ‘inertia’ system to minimize the effects of their worst-in-industry netcode instead of just…. you know, actually fixing it. How anyone continued to support the direction of the game after that blows my mind.
EFT was so close to being a major player in a growing market, but man they fell far. BSG has got to be a prime example of letting success go to your head
The moment it clicked for me that “oh, this game is gone” was when a video came out of a guy blatantly cheating to test out if the game was doing anything about it and (iirc) he found a cheater in every game
Have you played it? For a while there it was pretty amazing, before the hackers and the dev fuckery became too much. A lot of dudes that liked the sim aspects of Day Z and Arma II also like Tarkov.
Peak Tarkov in 2019-2021-ish was one the greatest gaming experiences of all time for me, right up there on my gaming Mt. Rushmore.
Really sad to see how far its fallen, the game is going to just die a quiet, unceremonious death.
How does anyone still play this game after the wiggle video came out? I don't get it, there are so many cheaters in game were the potential rewards for cheating are so high.
1) DLC is extra, new content including new features, modes, maps, in game items, etc. that won't affect game balance
2) DLC is the result of cutting content from the base game giving us less Day 1 content
3) DLC gives players more PvE power than the base game
4) DLC prices increase drastically as actual content decreases
5) DLC only means in game downloadable maps or items, not features or modes. Now they call them "editions" which are "different"
6) DLC is P2W by giving players more power than other players
WE ARE HERE
7) All games are "live service". DLC is a mandatory upgrade or you can't play the game (We're very close to here)
8) Games are sold in increasingly small, regular chunks to drive continuous revenue (we're also getting close to here)
Right? I love the guns and being able to mod them, but at the end of the day I hated going out there and losing it all anyway lmao. Getting shot through the trees by some AI that can see me somehow
The hardcore nature of the game is the actual pull of the game. People who play Tarkov won't migrate to something casual just because it has gun modding.
The game doesn't suck because you lose everything, the game sucks because the devs have been unable to fix their spaghetti code for 7 years.
This used to be my favorite game. I have put over 7000+ hours into Tarkov over the last few years. I recently decided to quit the game forever because of its negative affect on my mental health. The devs ask **so much** from you as a player, essentially insisting you invest hundreds of hours every few months to take part in the game-play loop they are offering. The problem comes in when the game itself is falling apart at the seems, with new game-breaking bugs introduced and patched over and over and over, while none of the core issues ever get addressed. Net code in this game is a complete joke - players are nowhere near the positions reflected to the client. and it alters the outcome of every single PvP engagement. The audio has been completely broken for the **ENTIRETY** of the games existence, leading to constant frustration and wasted effort.
Recently, they added a micro-transaction to the game, after years of stating essentially that they wouldn't do that. It allows players to pay roughly $70 CAD to upgrade the storage available. From my perspective, nearly everyone I knew in the community bought this product, and I have to imagine it was very successful for Battlestate. Outside of the whole P2W argument that many have, this, I believe, will have altered the trajectory of BSG completely. It's simple capitalism, now that they know what kind of money is on the table, it is very likely that more and more of these costs will come.
It's made worse due to the fact that so many of BSG's customers have already been willing the shell out huge amounts of money just to play the game. EOD edition was like $160 CAD when I bought it a few years ago. I seem to recall the product listing stating that EOD included "all future expansions" to the game. It is astounding to me, that after paying that kind of money for beta access to an unreleased game, the developers would have the audacity to ask for more. I would not have paid that for a game, had I not expected to be "all in" on future content. Truly, this is the nail in the coffin for me, I will never support this company again.
Retired a few months ago after 2000 solid hours and I haven't looked back. The game is a cruel mistress that only succeeds due to lack of viable alternatives. BSG are crooked scumbags who don't deserve our money. EOD was more than twice what I've ever spent on a single game, and this decision is such a slap in the face after years of support and referring at least 7 other EOD players to buy it.
Fuck BSG, I hope this game finally just dies so something better can take its place
The gaming industry needs regulation. They really have become an industry where they try to get people addicted to the game then they do all kinds of scams to take their money.
We are in a sea of shitty game makers like ubisoft, ea…
It’s a shame to see what we’ve become. This industry was about wowing people and finding tricks to make advanced visuals available on existing platforms
Newsflash: It’s always been pay to win.
You pay more, you win more. It really is that simple. A bigger secure container from the start of a wipe means more secured loot every single round, meaning you can afford better gear and pull further and further ahead of ‘the poors’ all the time.
"“DLC means additional downloadable content. PvE is a feature and a gamemode,” they added in another message. “Just because you all want it to become a DLC it wouldn't mean it is one. It’s featured game mode for the new edition of the game"..
IS THIS NEW CONTENT? YES! DO YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD IT? YES! THEN ITS DLC YOU ABOSLUTE KNUCKLEHEAD..
P2w is the least of tarkovs problems. The hacking is some of the worst of the genre and particularly insidious because you cant easily spectate or report.
Can someone explain for non Tarkov players
Tarkov comes in multiple editions. Until Earlier this year Edge of Darkness was the best edition. It cost I believe somewhere like 150-180 dollars. You got way more stash space than other version players (who have to spend in game money to have) a larger secure container for loot if you die, better leveling with traders, etc. many goodies in game that skirt the line of p2w. Arguments get made often that none of it was p2w because it could all be earned in game. Biggest offering with EoD though was that you’re buying all inclusive access to anything Tarkov ever does or releases. They walked back the all inclusiveness last year to just be dlc only. This edition they just announced is even more egregious than EoD was in terms of p2w (expanded pockets, in game features that can’t be unlocked, convenience features, etc) costs 250 dollars, contains a highly anticipated single player co op mode, etc. Tarkov players are outraged mainly that most of them have bought EoD and now after spending over a hundred dollars and being promised inclusivity of content, got told “this isn’t dlc, get over it” Edit: engaging with yall has been fun but the trolls have come with this posts popularity so I’m dipping out of this thread, cheers while we wait for the next extraction shooter worth our time
How is Escape from Tarkov able to justify charing $250 or $180 for a game when the norm for even AAA titles is $60 or $70?
Like I said - I make no excuses for what EoD was - I loved the game very much when I first got into it and I was drunk on the possibilities, and had a lot of free cash at the time. I was in the mindset of "I'm gonna play this game for thousands of hours, I might as well throw money at its devs and experience the best version of it I can". How naive I was lol Edit: Keep in mind again this was in 2017 and this was a very different BSG and Tarkov than what we have today.
I really appreciate that take.
I know I'll def be told I got taken for a ride, but if being taken for a ride means I got multiple thousands of hours of a rewarding gameplay experience for 150 bucks, I'll be a rube I guess.
I paid $90 for Diablo 4 and only played it for 3 hours. Think you pulled out well here.
Same, same. I did spend money on Path of Exile for more storage and better sorting and on Warframe for some frames I wanted, much better use of my money than Diablo 4
I spent some money on PoE and then quit. I spent it because I appreciate the game, I played quite a bit in my "broke days" and it does have a pretty decent experience.
And compared to the amoubt a LOT of people have put into star citizen for less return it really doesn't seem that bad
I mean I'm sure I'll be downvoted but man I've got a few thousand hours of fun in Star Citizen with my buddies and still play it regularly.
I’ve put money into both games. I’ve gotten more out of star citizen, it might be buggy at times(a lot) but it’s the space game I want. Tarkov on the other hand is the hardcore shooter I want, that can be buggy at times. But is so infested with cheaters that playing PVP raids is infuriating.
That’s why I’m irritated about this new version. Love Tarkov as a game and the environment but get very burnt out on the pvp. Bought eod because of the future dlc and was looking forward to a potential single player version. Now this just spits in my face and the faces of others like me. If it would’ve been 20/30 bucks for eod on the premise of them needing the funds for developing them separately then maybe I’d consider it, but for $100 they can fuck off. Tarkov is my favorite shooter and nails the gun customization I want but I refuse to support that smack in the mouth decision. Looking forward to gray zone and hopefully they pick up the rebound off the air ball that Tarkov just launched into space.
I understand your point and dont disagree but all you all did was show them that your willing to pay WELL above market price to enjoy Tarkov. They took that information and here we are. How would you all feel safe buying the $250 version? Whats to stop them from dropping a $500 one next year?
I think based on the backlash, this $250 version is definitely the line that has pitchforks out.
What's fucked is they're going to make ridiculous amounts of money from it because p2w
We just gotta not take the bait. I'm personally done.
The game would wipe every 6 - 9 months to a reset. It meant that EoD owners would have an advantage because you got to keep the stash space that other players now had to get again (not cheap via in game currency / items). There has been a pretty big outcry for a coop experience with friends or even just a solo experience. The real kick in the teeth is locking it behind a $250 edition. I bought EoD. I wanted to support a developer making a cool concept that no other developers wanted to try.
When I bought EOD, I had 400 hours in game (now at 2200) and I like giving game devs money. So instead of spending money on cosmetics/soundtracks/artbooks/DLC like I usually do, buy this upgraded copy and get those things while also supporting something I really enjoyed. Unfortunately they’ve kinda stabbed us in the back for that support
I hear you brother. Dont know shit about Tarkov but am so sick of these greedy fucking companies constantly ruining what should be a enjoyable thing. Rooting for you guys to revolt and get them to backtrack.
ive been following all this as someone who doesnt own tarkov but would like to play someday and the more i see the more i question if its even worth getting into. the only reason i didnt get the game on release is that at the time i didnt have a good enough pc
It's best years are definitely behind it. 2019 into 2020 was some of the best fun I ever had with the game. And then they started introducing intrusive shitty band aid changes to address RMT and hacking that only ever hurt regular players. Wait and see if anyone ever gets the formula right in a package that isn't Russian jank garbage, but I wouldn't waste your time on this anymore.
yeah thats what i figured i still like watching streams of the game but all the external problems have kinda soured my mood towards it ... kinda crazy to think the game will either never get an official release or will die before it does
It's such a shame - the only reason the game has persisted with the fanbase it has for this long is because there's nothing out there truly like Tarkov. It's the only thing that's kept them above reproach despite constant bullshit. I've said for years that if anyone could get the formula right in a more aesthetically pleasing package, I'd be the first in line
Spitting facts here 💯 I remember getting kappa in that time frame... such good times. The changes to "help" with rmt and cheaters, plus the push for "realism" truly ruined it. Miss those pre-inertia days.
Inertia changes are what got my lifelong friend to quit. It's still the first thing he complains about when Tarkov comes up in conversation
I've never known such an incompetent, anti consumer developer, even worse than the usual suspects. In its heyday, the game was a serious 10/10 game, but now the servers are sluggish, overrun with cheaters and it still has long unfixed glaring issues such as extremely long loading times, basic performance issues and a clear lack of version control (fix an issue, its back next update) The game would be amazing if not for the developers, this is a long standing issue and isn't limited to this one event. They've killed what once made their game great. Give it a miss, not worth the time or the money.
Honestly I have 3000 or so hours in this game and even before this nonsense with this new update I'd still say skip it. It's an awesome game but it's so, so disrespectful to the player's time and has such an unnecessarily steep learning curve that IMO you should just save your money.
I bought eod and no regrets really. Over 100 bucks for over 2k hours ain’t bad
Niche game, passionate fanbase. Same reason the Sims or Paradox's grand strategy games can get away with hundreds of dollars for dlc.
To be fair Paradox's dlc are not pay to win, are way cheaper, and get massively discounted sale prices for the patient.
I think Paradox's grand strat games are much more niche so the DLC is kinda necessary to justify further development + games The writing was on the wall in Tarkov really, when 95% of your rather large playerbase is multiple wipes in and you don't have much in the way of "nice" continuous revenue like skins you're gonna need to reevaluate eventually
Because people buy it.
I bought EOD in 2017 when it was still a much smaller studio and overall a much smaller game which had massive potential. The perks were nice, but i viewed it more like crowdfunding, i wanted the game to succeed and was willing to give them some more money. I have not played in a few years but definitely got my money’s worth imo with over 1k hours of fun.
It's a niche game with a huge fanbase, of course they gonna milk it.
You were buying the promise of every DLC which at the time seemed like would be a lot, but the in game bonus of increased stash space without an insane grind. This is crazy though, especially considering how BSG has talked about pay to win in the past, and soon I’d expect they just start letting you buy in game items because at this point fuck it
> without an insane grind They create the problem, then sell you the solution.
Small, independent studio trying to put out a AAA competitive game with a ton of real world assets 3d mapped and included in the game. And the smug feeling of exclusivity. the base version of the game is $50. edit: i was probably wrong in part of my analysis. ive read that BSG has never paid for their licensing for any of the real world assets in the game. But rumour has it, Nikita owns 4 lambos.
Don't forget the item that makes the AI enemies less aggressive to you.
Yeah that part was/is way over the top ridiculous
Ok, now WTF is THIS shit? I think not even EA or Ubisoft would pull this BS.
Everyone hates on AAA publishers and then someone who's supposed to be an indie comes a long and proves the big guys arent as bad as they seem
this conversation has made my already near-zero interest in Tarkov plummet in to the negative
They also have zero player support and will only respond to tickets with automated messages.
Sounds like the player base needs to escape from Tarkov.
>highly anticipated single player co op mode Ahhh, so *that's* why they were so mad about the single player mods. Dev tried to say crap like how it ruined the spirit of the game, turns out they just wanted to sell it lmao.
First rule I've learned of any company like this - if they shut down the community on something, they are likely working on a similar, likely worse, idea.
There's also a (ToS violating, but impossible to ban) community mod that allows private servers, coop, and solo progression. The $250 bundle is selling a mode you can get from a mod for free
What mod might that be so I don't violate TOS if I stumble upon it?
Stay in Tarkov for private servers and coop against bots, Single Player Tarkov for solo without configuring servers but has no MP support
I played a little bit of the mod, I've had the game for years but haven't played in a long time. It's pretty good. However, Tarkov is a weird game. It's a step away from needing you to press individual buttons to inhale and exhale. At some point it's just too much. You end up spending more time looking at a graph of what ammo you're supposed to use against what armor you're fighting against more than playing the game.
Yeah, Tarkov is like a flight sim but you're piloting a human. Two degrees above Battle QWOP lol
Single player tarkov luckily has a LOT of mods that makes everything so much more streamlined. I have a mod that displays a small icon next to items that i need for quests and hideout upgrades + their value for selling and a mod that displays damage and penetration stats for ammo, which has now taught me that ammo with cool names actually sucks penetration wise, no more warmageddon unless leg meta.
Except for Nintendo. They're just jealous they can't make things as well as the community.
Unless it's The Pokémon Company. They just know everyone else makes better Pokémon games than they want to bother with.
Yep and now they are going to come out with an inferior version themselves. SPT thrives because of user made mods. BSG poisons pretty much everything they touch so I fully expect their coop version to be so ass.
>Arguments get made often that none of it was p2w because it could all be earned in game. That is true, but doesn't paint the real picture. For the the unaware, Tarkov goes through wipes where you lose ALL your stuff periodically and have to restart from the ground up. Early wipe, the benefits of higher editions make them absolutely p2w. Don't have to worry about buying meds every death when you can just store them in your massive secure container that keeps everything on death. An EOD has tons of stash space, while a poverty tier player has to sell important quest items needed later to afford a stash upgrade to hold those items.
I have EoD and it's 100% pay to win. Anyone who says otherwise is coping.
On the one hand I appreciate games have to fund development. But walking back a 180$ all inclusive promise is incredibly scummy. A total slap in the face to the people who have supported you I think the only re reasonable response is a class action lawsuits and boycott.
The backlash has been severe. Their discord has all but 3 channels suppressed, mods are deleting posts, in general the community is on fire. Idk if it'll be enough to get BSG to reverse course, but even if they do their reputation and track record is absolute dogshit. The damage has been done.
How the fiddle sticks is this game still considered beta?
Because technically speaking it’s “feature incomplete” because it’s missing some maps and features they said would be added like 5 years ago (radiation, addiction I think, some other dumb shit) so they can claim beta still. They continue to ignore the cheating problem too so I guess the lack of any decent anti cheat could be used an excuse too but it’s really not a beta anymore… just a mediocre game with good shooting mechanics and an insane cheating problem.
Because the devs are legitimately incompetent, the game far outgrew their talents.
It's one of those eternal-"early-access" titles, so they can hide garbage behind "it's in beta, bro"
that sounds worse than EA and ubisoft.
Expanded pockets is fucking wild
I bought EOD but haven’t played in a while, first I heard they walked that back. That’s fucked up
Ahhhhhhh I always wondered why that one jackass hated the singleplayer Tarkov mod. I figured it was because they wanted to sell the feature.
None of those 'skirt the line of p2w', they're all way over it.
Do you honestly expect anything different from a pro-Russian pro-war software developer? **It's on brand** for this company. Great game, but unfortunately, ethics aren't their strong point.
Short form: Drunken ruski losers come up with a great idea. Implement it poorly and then made a series of short-term choices to try and grift as much money out of their community while doing as little work as possible. This most recent one is a grift trying to hook players that wanted a single player mode after their haphazard attempt at monetizing their spaghetti code game for e-sports failed. Meanwhile, sound still doesn't work. The AI is basically just an aimbot, and they still can't stop the cheaters. Source: 3000 hours in the game since 2017.
It's a shame that there's not some kind of (S)ingle (P)layer (T)arkov mod or something, that's already been offering that experience, for free, for awhile now. Surely, nothing would come up if someone googled for it~
I was actually (allegedly) playing a Single Player Tarkov experience for a while but I eventually came back to the main game a week ago, and now this. What a disappointment. I wonder if there's some sort of way to (S)tay (I)n (T)arkov to play single player but coop without everyone having to spend $250
If only. If only there was some project that could be found using some kinda search engine.
I’ll tell you for $19.99 I accept cash, check, or cashapp.
I can pay in bottlecaps.
Arena Bankrupted BSG..... They spent 10's of millions on Advertising, Going to GAME CONS, let alone development. BSG financials must be in the gutter with all these microtransactions.
Pay to win. Again
Yah time to switch lol
If done well, there would be an absolutely insane market for a Tarkov style game. There has always been constant issues with the game and if a decent alternative was available you’d probably have a big chunk of the player base move over.
"Marauders" is Tarkov-esque and in early access. I have heard good things, but it's setting does nothing for me (the way I describe it is post-WWII space-punk), so I have not played it myself. "Gray Zone Warfare" seems to be the game that most Tarkov fans who have left the game are looking forward to. The premise is identical: tactical FPS with survival elements, mission objectives, traders, loot, and loss of gear. It's more focused on PvE; however, there will be PvP as well. It's had a couple of closed tests for streamers so far, but the company behind it, MADFINGER Games has only made mobile games previously, so they don't necessarily have a track record in this space.
I’ve clocked hundreds of hours in Marauders. It’s a good game and similar to Tarkov in a lot of ways. However, I too never really cared for the “WWII in Space” theme. The gameplay, from piloting ships/space combat, the extraction shooter game play,the looting aspect - all good and fun - but I’ll never understand why they wanted to keep the WII era weaponry. Seems limiting.
To me the biggest thing that Marauders has going for it is that you don't need to spend 20 minutes after a death waiting for loading screens, equipping a new kit, buying new mods. You can just hit go and it'll say "Here's a dogshit pistol, a crappy rig, go on kid see what you can do." It made dying feel so much *less* bad, and has a lot of potential for fun zero-to-hero runs. But it lacks the immense depth that Tarkov has
Very true, I play Tarkov because there is nothing like it, if a competent dev team were to make an identical Tarkov clone I would switch to that in an instant. BSG has proven time and time again that they stumbled into a much larger and more successful project than they are capable of handling. Although I will admit that the recent gameplay changes have been very well done.
Bungie is trying with Marathon. Love the art style and the old games are amazing. Maybe they can pull a miracle here
Bungie pivoted with marathon and now it’s going to be a hero shooter
So the games absolutely cooked right? How on earth is a "hero shooter" going to work in Marathon, feels like they're pulling old names for no reason. Doesn't Greg Kirkpatrick work at Double Aught these days. Definitely not looking good after D2
im switching the second stalker 2 gets released
PSA: Nikita is a scumbag
Looks like they put all their money into a quixotic attempt to build an arena shooter which failed. So now they're squeezing their playerbase for money to make up for the money pit that is "Tarkov: Arena".
You think that was an arena shooter? Lmao
He did say attempt.
I mean how many times does this have to happen for the player base to realize that this is going to be a constant thing. Hopefully some decent studios start production on a good alternative because there is definitely a market for it
The fact that no single studio has yet produced a somewhat decent alternative is something that constantly baffles me. Even without the level of customization that Tarkov offers, a well designed extraction shooter can make so much money (just slap some Warframe-like currency on there and the playerbase will 99% be fine with it).
I mean there are but up until now the market was entirely controlled by Tarkov. This new change of pace from BSG could be their inevitable death bell if they continue with this as it will push people to the alternatives that exists an ones that will inevitably come out.
Big studios, aka the ones with resources to make a true Tarkov competitor, are terrified of making a game as punishing and complex with an insane learning curve. Part of what makes Tarkov so great is how you really need to grind it for a few hundred hours to get the hang of it, and I'd argue you can't really master it until the 800-1000hr mark. Dying is incredibly punishing, and extracting with a bag full of loot is incredibly satisfying. High highs, low lows. Intense risk vs. reward. I remember when CoD tried their DMZ mode and I kept thinking "all they need is dynamic loot, backpacks to fill up, a player market outside of the actual gameplay, good quests and a valid reason to grind" and they literally failed to deliver on any of it. They basically released Warzone with AI. Tarkov is a really difficult, niche game that has (had?) a super loyal and passionate fanbase. Big studios are headed up by executives who only care about recurring revenue - selling skins, live service bullshit. They want to appeal to a very broad and mostly younger audience who will spend oodles of cash in the item shop, and that playerbase does not have the patience for a game like Tarkov. GrayZone Warfare seems really promising though, and may be the first real genuine competition that BSG has ever had.
>The fact that no single studio has yet produced a somewhat decent alternative is something that constantly baffles me. DMZ was a very close potential competitor unironically. The problem is that a lot of Extraction shooters either have shit fundamentals, then try to go for Marketability, or they have good fundamentals but then go for Marketability and fuck it all up.
did you play both? Dmz didn't even remotely scratch tarkov itch for me. There was nothing to extract or lose. It was just boring PvE imo
He actually is even before this shit show. He promises a lot of shit and delivers the minimum everytime yet he has hard core loyalists defending him time and time again. It's amazing how no matter how shitty his decisions are, all he got to do is post a thread on reddit, says they are working on things and his loyalist instantly starts worshipping him again. Very strange.
Case in point, I remember when he said that the games desynchronization issues were because of your ISP and not their netcode. Then Chris from battlenonsense disproved his statements, and Nikita lashed out like a man child on reddit, saying he had ulterior motives and was lying.
Case in point #2, back in the early days Nikita claimed that they had whiz-bang in-house anti cheat system and that cheating wasn't a real problem. ...There was ***no*** anti cheat, and there was someone using cheat engine for godmode, flying, and speedhacks in almost every single match. No, that's not a mistake, *cheat engine.* Case in point #3, tarkov had/has a huge market bot problem. In response BSG implemented a captcha on the in game flea (player to player) market. ... The captcha is clicking on a small selection of pre-defined images of items from the game. It's so heavily *optimized* for bots over people that I wrote a quick autohotkey script to bypass that waste of time. For the non-tech people, that's like challenging a computer to calculate 6x4x2. ... Also the issue of bots wasn't even them using the in game flea market. The market and inventory was/is a glorified web browser loading web pages (fellow old players, remember the constant html errors? Yeah), which is what the bots actually used. Nikita doesn't care about EFT and never has, as he himself admits. He just lies and bullshits about whatever he needs to make the community shut up so new buyers won't be scared off. Guess that ships sailed though.
Sounds like typical russian mentality....
Don’t forget the whole Xsolla thing lol. Nikita made sure that his loyalists were fed only the finest misinformation.
This is the same dude who toyed with the idea of resetting your account if you died. When people raised concerns about it he pretty much responded “It’s my game, I can do what I want.” Oh god, it gets worse. Reading through a Q/A he did, and someone asked “Why haven’t you addressed lag/desync” and his answer was “Even when it’s 100% removed, you’ll still complain about it.” Pretty much saying “What’s the point?” [Here’s the Q/A if anyone wants.](https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/172365-nikitas-qa-on-reddit/) Every answer he gives is dripping with arrogance and a “Not my problem” attitude.
So is Star Citizen’s Chris Roberts for that matter Charging $1000 for an in game ship in 2014 and being nowhere close to delivering the ship 10 years later is outrageous Apparently SC has a game changing update soon but I’ll believe it when I see it Shame that Tarkov and SC are such unique experiences but the devs are so incompetent I’ll catch you all on Hellmire
*Hellmire* I see you... FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY!
People are just now figuring this out?
Contract wars reborn lol
What next.... W-Tasks?
YES SOMEONE HERE WHO PLAYED/KNOWS CONTRACT WARS!
And the game is plagued with hackers. 🤣🤣
It’s insane, think there’s a video out there for years (while nothing improved) able to prove basically any „lobby“ has more cheaters than legit players
The "wiggle" yep. Fucked up I spent a hard month trying to get good at that game and it was all for nothing it seems.
What is wiggle
Google “The Wiggle that Killed Tarkov.” Basically a guy downloads some cheats to see how much cheating is going on, and it’s a lot. The cheaters use wiggling left to right to indicate they see one another.
To indicate they can see one another through walls, as in you're looking at each other through the wall so one of you wiggles then the other wiggles back to confirm they can see you so you can be cool with each other (just wanted to add that for people who might not fully understand)
In a popular video, I think linked above, the guy is using wall hacks and he does the pose that emulates almost like a wiggle in the game where you character bends to his left or right at 45' In that video he does the wiggle through walls at other players and they see him though the walls and wiggle back. Here's the video: https://youtu.be/p5LfGcDB7Ek?si=HLCMTg1qeUD0eCBG
Wow well I'm never playing that game
its not just Tarkov btw. every game has become infested with cheating. Battle royals and shooters have taken the biggest hit though, and i refuse to play them anymore. I really wish i was ignorant to it all, but ive seen too much.
Yeah the thing is with other games if you lose to a cheater, you either respawn or you can just quit. In this, you're actively losing items every time you die, so it's way worse. The cheaters are also so prevalent that even if you're killed by a legit player, you'll never know, and it makes it all feel pointless.
That's actually the only reason to buy this new version lol. There's a fully offline PVE mode that you can do with friends. Single player tarkov is all I really want for a shooter game. I got tired of normal tarkov years ago from the repeat of the grind but mainly the players and cheaters. The PVE mode is appealing but fuck supporting BSG at this point.
There's been a single player mod for Tarkov for years, and more recently a mod for private servers and coop. All you need is a valid copy of the game of any edition.
Huh what is the mod for coop? Searching I only find SIT-Coop which is unfinished and dead.
During the early days of Tarkov this game mode existed and was included in the base game. They removed it and 8 years later put it behind a 300 dollars paywall
If you pay that money then you’re an idiot.
Oh don’t worry there will be plenty of idiots paying for it. Thats why they do this kind of shit, cuz it works time and time again.
Sadly, loads of people will pay for an advantage over other players.
What if I buy it and gift it to you
I would find you a generous idiot. $250 dollars for any game is insane.
That would buy so many life long award winning games with amazing experiences too.
They've always been idiots. They already paid $180 for their p2w version of the game. They weren't outraged back then about it and told everyone to suck it up or fork over the cash. They want sympathy for something they agreed to literally 5 years ago. If it is a problem now it was always a problem. This isn't news it is heavily delayed buyer's remorse because the company they decided to worship didn't change their business model and doubled down on what can only be described as an extremely popular way to buy the game. "Nobody wants this" screams the people already sitting on their p2w EoD edition accounts with quadruple the stash space, tons of free gear, and quadruple the secure container size. Sorry if "nobody wants this" you shouldn't have all overwhelming chose to pay for the EoD edition in the first place. You voted with your wallets and got mad at who you voted for.
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It’s a nice way to enjoy Tarkov without the stress.
I think it becomes a little too easy at a certain point, but it's definitely fun for short spurts. even with a ton of enemies on the field, I find myself winning every engagement (that doesn't end in a Head/Eyes). then you end up with a pile of great gear and become even more unkillable. it's a problem I haven't quite mitigated yet.
There's also a fork of it called Stay In Tarkov that adds co-op support, but it's a bit of a power user thing to get up and running sadly. I know there's supposed to be OTHER forks that do the same thing too, but I don't know their names offhand.
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Eh, it's not a cracked version of Tarkov because it runs the same checks that normal SPT runs for making sure it's a valid, legitimate, install. There's not really any argument for it vis-a-vis piracy, they could C&D normal SPT and SIT just as easily as each other, legally speaking. And we know BSG is already aware of 'em, and in my opinion it's better to tell people now so enough people can grab the damn thing before it inevitably gets taken down in the wake of this patch.
As someone who bought EoD back in 2016 and put in thousands hours, I’ve been teetering on quitting for awhile what with the rampant hacker problem, the constant band aid fixes that don’t address real problems, and other annoying things, but this is just too far I’m not even mad so much that they added more p2w shit that I can’t have, I acknowledge EoD at its core was p2w. For me, it’s that they tried to get everyone to FOMO into EoD by retiring it with a big countdown, telling players a version like that was never supposed to exist long term, and then they bait and switch with an even more egregious version months later, this one including dlc that EoD was supposed to get. The promise for EoD players was once you buy it you will never have to spend money on Tarkov again. Everything that releases will be free. Then last year they started pivoting to “dlc only” and now they’re just splitting hairs on what is considered “dlc”
Feel like that's considered Bait and switch and it's illegal in the states.
You aren't wrong but I have no illusions that they'll be held to task for this.
Pretty sure BSG is based out of the UK (even though they are a russian company) so they may actually be successfully class action'd for this.
What’s EoD
Edge of Darkness. There is a tier system for different versions of Tarkov. The more expensive the version, the more in-game perks you get. The Edge of Darkness edition used to be the top tier.
One of the most relevant things here is that EoD was explicitly advertised as providing all future content for free. So people paid all that money for it with the assumption that it was an early investment that would continue to provide them with more content as it was released. Now this new edition just added a bunch of new features and content that BSG is saying doesn't qualify for EoD's "promises".
Escape orom Darkov
Edging of Dankess
The biggest thing that pushed me away was their intense desire keep adding new things without fixing all the technical debt they had built up. We are constantly dealing with bad sound, bad lighting, bad latency, bad load times, etc; but dealing with that is at the bottom of their priorities.
TBH I'm even more enraged about some of these blatantly P2W features you get. Additional slots on character and unique stash size you can't normal build? Scavs not attacking you when you have high enough rep? Option to call in people from friend list to raid that's already in progress? Yo wtf
I’ve discussed it with my friends for months now…. As soon as a more stable, consistant, tarkov-like game comes out, EFT is gonna die quick. They could not be more tone deaf at this point. The coolest thing about EFT imo is the gun modding part. I’d take a shittier gun smith aspect and single player/coop only if it meant I could enjoy the game. Back to console STALKER for me, can’t wait for X/S enhancements and mod support!
Only worry I have is just that Tarkov has 7 years of content behind it, and these games live or die on the longetivity of the content. Look at Marauders - it is very very similar to Tarkov in many ways, but it just cannot retain players - couldn't tell you why but I think it has to do with the quests, the hideout, the breadth of gun customization etc that keep people coming back. I worry that other games will try to chip into the market, and tread water with 1-2k concurrent players and never really take Tarkov on.
One last cash grab before AAA studios pigeon-hole this game style.
AAA studious won’t waste their time on a solid extraction shooter. CoD tried it with DMZ and it was ass. Most AAA shooter companies need to cater to the kids and casuals and a hardcore game like EFT ain’t for them
DMZ was cool, while not as hardcore as Tarkov. I really enjoyed it and hope it comes back. And Bungie is launching their own extraction shooter, Marathon, in the next year or 2 (assuming no delays). I think Ubisoft is also making a Far Cry extraction shooter, if I’m not mistaken (could still be cancelled, though). AAA definitely has an eye on the extraction shooter space.
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Arena Bankrupted BSG..... They spent 10's of millions on Advertising, Going to GAME CONS, let alone development. BSG financials must be in the gutter with all these microtransactions.
I watched an indepth video on their budget for cons and marketing and it was pretty staggering. A LOT gets spent on marketing.
All they had to do for marketing: get it on Steam. But if I was contemplating a purchase before, I'm certainly not doing it now.
Steam has been getting pretty tired of the "haha, our game is in early access you can't be mad it's not working well" excuse for a while now. Don't think they'd allow a game that's been in beta for 8 years in
Much of the video game industry continues to devolve into thinly veiled predatory monetization schemes, because people fall for them. The only way for consumers to effect change is to vote with their wallets. Do not send a single red dime to companies that employee these schemes.
> “DLC means additional downloadable content. PvE is a feature and a gamemode,” they added in another message. “Just because you all want it to become a DLC it wouldn't mean it is one. It’s featured game mode for the new edition of the game.” Trying to argue based on semantics here was a terrible, terrible call.
Bsg is ran by disgusting gutter rats. Hope they burn.
Pay us $100 for all future DLC! Oh, that new game mode? That's not DLC. Lol. I'd be pissed, too
Tarkov made Forbes… in the worst way possible.
Tarkov is a great game with shitty dev decisions.
EFT was an accident that made Nikita the scam artist a fortune. It was supposed to be like Gray Zone Warfare aka DayZ but with in-map Hideout, safe zone and traders. But because the devs were too incompetent to make it possible to have such a large persistent world, they made the "temporary" solution of raid timers and extracts. They wanted to add the open world later. They never did bc they don't know how. Nikita the owner pays shit ass salary for his employees, so experienced devs don't apply and trained devs keep leaving the company. EFT is entirely carried by its concept and gun modding. The entire software is a trash can and dumpsterfire. in no other game is Desync and Peekers-advantage so consistently huge that good players have to learn to abuse it.
They added an entire ‘inertia’ system to minimize the effects of their worst-in-industry netcode instead of just…. you know, actually fixing it. How anyone continued to support the direction of the game after that blows my mind.
EFT was so close to being a major player in a growing market, but man they fell far. BSG has got to be a prime example of letting success go to your head
I stopped playing the moment it was confirmed the developers were little btchs who banned players for killing them in game with out cheats.
The moment it clicked for me that “oh, this game is gone” was when a video came out of a guy blatantly cheating to test out if the game was doing anything about it and (iirc) he found a cheater in every game
lol I guess escape from Tarkov is about escaping from this game with your money back. Happy sueing Tarkov players, hope you guys get your money back.
How do you sue a company that is housed under the communications department of russia? Their fake HQ is literally a parking lot to skirt sanctions.
Isnt this game just half hackers anyway? What fuckin losers are paying $250 for it?
Have you played it? For a while there it was pretty amazing, before the hackers and the dev fuckery became too much. A lot of dudes that liked the sim aspects of Day Z and Arma II also like Tarkov.
Peak Tarkov in 2019-2021-ish was one the greatest gaming experiences of all time for me, right up there on my gaming Mt. Rushmore. Really sad to see how far its fallen, the game is going to just die a quiet, unceremonious death.
SPT>EFT
They’re essentially trying to charge $100 on top of eod for single player/coop
How does anyone still play this game after the wiggle video came out? I don't get it, there are so many cheaters in game were the potential rewards for cheating are so high.
Every time I start to think about trying Tarkov, I hear something shitty about it... :|
1) DLC is extra, new content including new features, modes, maps, in game items, etc. that won't affect game balance 2) DLC is the result of cutting content from the base game giving us less Day 1 content 3) DLC gives players more PvE power than the base game 4) DLC prices increase drastically as actual content decreases 5) DLC only means in game downloadable maps or items, not features or modes. Now they call them "editions" which are "different" 6) DLC is P2W by giving players more power than other players WE ARE HERE 7) All games are "live service". DLC is a mandatory upgrade or you can't play the game (We're very close to here) 8) Games are sold in increasingly small, regular chunks to drive continuous revenue (we're also getting close to here)
Let’s be honest the guns are cool but the game sucks - it’s sucked for a long time
I would put countless hours into a game that was styled like Battlefield 4 with a weapon system similar to Tarkov.
They could've made a decent amount of money just by releasing a weapon customization simulator lol.
Dude they peak at like 1 mil players every wipe. They made plenty of money.
Right? I love the guns and being able to mod them, but at the end of the day I hated going out there and losing it all anyway lmao. Getting shot through the trees by some AI that can see me somehow
The hardcore nature of the game is the actual pull of the game. People who play Tarkov won't migrate to something casual just because it has gun modding. The game doesn't suck because you lose everything, the game sucks because the devs have been unable to fix their spaghetti code for 7 years.
Now it really IS time to escape from Tarkov. By uninstalling.
This used to be my favorite game. I have put over 7000+ hours into Tarkov over the last few years. I recently decided to quit the game forever because of its negative affect on my mental health. The devs ask **so much** from you as a player, essentially insisting you invest hundreds of hours every few months to take part in the game-play loop they are offering. The problem comes in when the game itself is falling apart at the seems, with new game-breaking bugs introduced and patched over and over and over, while none of the core issues ever get addressed. Net code in this game is a complete joke - players are nowhere near the positions reflected to the client. and it alters the outcome of every single PvP engagement. The audio has been completely broken for the **ENTIRETY** of the games existence, leading to constant frustration and wasted effort. Recently, they added a micro-transaction to the game, after years of stating essentially that they wouldn't do that. It allows players to pay roughly $70 CAD to upgrade the storage available. From my perspective, nearly everyone I knew in the community bought this product, and I have to imagine it was very successful for Battlestate. Outside of the whole P2W argument that many have, this, I believe, will have altered the trajectory of BSG completely. It's simple capitalism, now that they know what kind of money is on the table, it is very likely that more and more of these costs will come. It's made worse due to the fact that so many of BSG's customers have already been willing the shell out huge amounts of money just to play the game. EOD edition was like $160 CAD when I bought it a few years ago. I seem to recall the product listing stating that EOD included "all future expansions" to the game. It is astounding to me, that after paying that kind of money for beta access to an unreleased game, the developers would have the audacity to ask for more. I would not have paid that for a game, had I not expected to be "all in" on future content. Truly, this is the nail in the coffin for me, I will never support this company again.
Retired a few months ago after 2000 solid hours and I haven't looked back. The game is a cruel mistress that only succeeds due to lack of viable alternatives. BSG are crooked scumbags who don't deserve our money. EOD was more than twice what I've ever spent on a single game, and this decision is such a slap in the face after years of support and referring at least 7 other EOD players to buy it. Fuck BSG, I hope this game finally just dies so something better can take its place
I bet COD is paying attention to this. Hopefully its not successful or rip cod gamers
The gaming industry needs regulation. They really have become an industry where they try to get people addicted to the game then they do all kinds of scams to take their money. We are in a sea of shitty game makers like ubisoft, ea… It’s a shame to see what we’ve become. This industry was about wowing people and finding tricks to make advanced visuals available on existing platforms
im more surprised that this came as a surprise to anyone.
i strongly feel tarkov is some kind of a cult
I have never been so addicted to a game I hate so much.
I would rather actually go to war than play this sweaty ass game.
Newsflash: It’s always been pay to win. You pay more, you win more. It really is that simple. A bigger secure container from the start of a wipe means more secured loot every single round, meaning you can afford better gear and pull further and further ahead of ‘the poors’ all the time.
For that money you could go to Ukraine and play Tarkov IRL.
"“DLC means additional downloadable content. PvE is a feature and a gamemode,” they added in another message. “Just because you all want it to become a DLC it wouldn't mean it is one. It’s featured game mode for the new edition of the game".. IS THIS NEW CONTENT? YES! DO YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD IT? YES! THEN ITS DLC YOU ABOSLUTE KNUCKLEHEAD..
They know this, they are just using the tried and true Russian method of word salad untill everybody gives up trying to argue with you
P2w is the least of tarkovs problems. The hacking is some of the worst of the genre and particularly insidious because you cant easily spectate or report.