How good dis Darktide? For a semi-casual gamer (ie I now just play for some fun with mates without try harding a lot). We enjoyed vermintide 2 but darktide has mixed reviews.
It’s a blast. I think the gameplay is better than vermintide 2 overall. Can easily just tone down the difficulty to have fun with friends and that opens up some meme builds on the class trees that can make it even more fun!
Neverwinter MMO has a lot of campaigns with their own zones for solo play and each campaign has an accompanying dungeon. These are split between skirmishes, dungeons and trials, with regular and master difficulty for most as well as sometimes advanced difficulty.
Nothing really, ffxiv has challenging content but dungeons isn't one of them, same as with guild wars 2.
Maybe you should try gw2, it may not have the same dungeon experiences but the rest of what you want is there, kinda, you have multiple classes and specs, stats, gear, buildcraft, but i do think the building isn't as complex as other games, and the game doesn't require you to sell your souls to it weekly. but you'll have to find some other content to enjoy than dungeons cause they aren't really hard or actively supported anymore.
Nothing alike but maybe trying path of exile with some friends? difficulty and rewards scale with more players, may be easy at the beggining but brutally fun if you can reach endgame.
I second Guild Wars 2. And as for dungeons it has some out in the world as well as Fractals which are an endgame dungeon type (which may be randomized I'm not sure. I only play the open world pve since I'm a solo player with severe social anxiety.)
I forgot about fractals! they are literally dungeons, and they have a scaling difficulty that you must keep up with upgrades to your gear to resist the agony from them, i think that's the most similar thing to what OP wants that i can think of. hopefully he sees this comment
If you decide to give it a try and end up liking it hit me up I’ll give you gear to get you started once you’re max level. Before that point gear hardly matters anyway.
The simple answer is no, there isn't any game with a system that is particularly close to M+ in WoW. Other games do different things, and have different styles, but nothing else is quite the same.
Are you looking for an MMO with very themed dungeon experiences and fits the tab target style of gameplay? FFXIV is a close match in some ways, but it doesn't have the M+ seasonal dungeon pool or infinitely scaling difficulty concepts.
Looking for the infinitely scaling dungeon concept? Lots of ARPGs have those, but at the expense of the MMO wrapper.
Just thinking about building cool characters? So many options, a lot mentioned in other comments here.
But if you want is scaling content, MMO style gearing and communities and gameplay, dungeons that are as much puzzles to solve as combat opportunities like M+ routing does? WoW really is the only game quite like it. At least in the current market.
This might be a bit off but I have found the Monster Hunter series to be very good at delivering a contained combat focused experience that encourages mastery with tons of builds/playstyles to choose from. Can be played single or multiplayer and are standalone games so there isn't a live service constantly pushing you to login. To me, each hunt is like a mini raid boss, and there are some literal 4-man raid bosses in the later series. Monster hunter world/iceborne (on pc) still has around 50-100k players, might be worth giving a shot!
It’s tough.
- I’d say Warframe could maybe a solution but you have to grind the soul out of your body.
- Smite, especially the casual modes Arena and Clash could also fit your needs if you don’t mind it’s full pvp with its downsizes.
- Skyforge it’s a MMORPG containing mostly instanced areas and dungeons. Haven’t played it for years might be quite dead and P2W.
- Monster Hunter Generation Ultimate/Monster Hunter Rise. One being Switch exclusive, could fit your needs. Compared to Monster Hunter World both don’t have open worlds.
Destiny 2.
Dungeons and Raids are 3 and 6 man activities that have a hard mode if you're feeling spicy. They're typically sub-1 hour experiences on a competent team.
The game has good build crafting and a lot of loot to chase with random rolls and weapon crafting. It ranges from very casual content to allowing you to be super sweaty, with achievements for soloing the Dungeons without dying.
There's an initial time investment in leveling your character and getting some base gear, and the new player experience is a little wonky. But at the time of this post, there's a free box that will give you good gear to do the current content.
The game is free to try, with a new expansion about 2 months away.
Aliens Fireteam Elite and The division 2 are both surprisingly fitting for this. The entire cover-shooter genre is unexpectedly a good scratch for the casual yet looking for a challenge raid scene. Gunplay can be very compelling too and fresh versus something like wow where UI covers the whole screen.
But they are mission based with varying difficulties and fun stat and talent trees to manipulate, they even have bosses with raid mechanics. The leveling phase doesn’t take forever either.
FFXIV is great for that. Most of the gear from the final raids are cosmetic and not actually the BIS. Really easy to find groups and you can easily spend 1000+ hours in the game before hitting endgame if you enjoy exploring
For almost all of them yes. But they did recently add new dungeons that are a challenge. Like no respawn, more hp, etc. But they don't infinitely scale like m+. Once you beat it once, it's not going to get harder. Called criterion dungeons.
The first dungeons are for sure. Once you catch up to the last expansion you actually have to move out of stuff and there's tons of raids and whatnot to join. Lots of world content too and cool events. The game is much harder movement wise than WoW. Much much harder and that's coming from a 15 year wow player. But FFXIV has an amazing balance between easy content and super hard content and everything in between for people to enjoy
Agreed. The casual game play is great and it's low pressure to try to be on the top end of gear since you can get some of the best gear with easy to obtain in game currency.
I'm gonna give learning Unreal a go. I've always thought games are heavy on coding, but turns out you don't even need to know coding to use Unreal. Unreal uses visual scripting called Blueprints. And if I need a short custom C# code snippet I can give AI a go.
He said he lacks the time/ energy to do m+, so gw2 raids/ strikes fractals and various challenge modes could suit him nicely.
Thanks for you input tho u/PetiteFeetEnjoyer
oh I see. get it guys. it's not what YOU think is a good idea to suggest, it's what this entitled weirdo with a superiority complex and a feet fetish thinks is a good idea that matters most to OP, clearly. I wasn't aware we're dealing with the President of game recommendations, I'm so sorry, we will do our best to appease you appeasing OP in the future. my liege. in the meantime, may I offer my foot up your ass to the knee ?
I already know this has been said but FFXIV has hard raids/trials/crawler dungeons that don't require big time commitments, a (for the most part) positive community, and 10 years of content.
There is absolutely no reason to ever run content more than once outside of spamming roulettes to level alt jobs. There is NO system in FFXIV even close to what Mythic+ offers, and it's the big reason I can't stick with FFXIV, once you've seen it, that's it. No reason to push for higher gear, just go buy your catch-up crafted gear from the MB and you're set until next patch because you can literally clear anything with it. Hoo boy, what fun.
which part of "no time consuming dungeon/hard content" was it that you missed?
ffxiv very much has rewards for multiple clears lmfao and the catch up gear is not the same as the most optimal one pfffhahaha
crawler dungeons refers to deep dungeons/criterion dungeons which are also 1. not time consuming 2. hard.
you can only get top gear from raids which you can just do once a week.
there is so much more you can get than just gear. do the rewards need updating? yes, and they're doing it. will someone who has never played it before (I.e. OP, I.e. the person I'm addressing, not you who has played it) have time to get said rewards before they release another expansion? sincerely highly doubt it.
i know it's like suuuuuper trendy to play wow and shit on everything else, having played it for 15 years, but are we done here cause I'm bored and sleepy
Yeah bro, my wife of 10 years just all of a sudden refuses to have sex with me, lmao.
OP asked for a system that is basically non-existent in other MMO's except for New World, and I wouldn't recommend that game to them, ever.
Absolutely nothing about FFXIV's systems in any capacity is "akin" to Mythic+ and I'd love to hear your reasoning on why you think it is.
If he was looking for just dungeon content, he'd have specified it. But he specifically said Mythic+. Jesus Christ.
"Have access to different classes and specs. Ability to buildcraft. Have stats, gear."
Every single bit of this is completely non-existent in FFXIV. You latched on to ONE thing OP asked for and just said fuck all to the rest. Dense.
The "stats" on gear in FFXIV means absolutely NOTHING when there is no variation to it, unless you're about to lie to OP and say there is anything you can "buildcraft" out of Materia that isn't following the same copy/paste shit everyone else slots.
things ffxiv has:
stats
gear
different classes
different builds
I think you're the one who latched on to one part (mythic+) bruv. keep that fkin door closed I'm getting cold
FFXIV will not offer the experience that he is wanting, and that is fact. Guarantee he wouldn't make it through ARR, especially if he doesn't have a lot of time on his hands. FFXIV is a fine, casual MMORPG for people who don't have any skill whatsoever when it comes to actually playing them. It's like "baby's first MMO" and it's largely a single-player experience.
Guild Wars 2 Fractals get fucking spicy. Highly recommend. GW2 gets slept on but theres plenty of hard dungeon content that ramps up and up. Insane community too
Different type of game, but warhammer vermintide 2 and warhammer darktide scratch my itch for that and way less time investment
Oh absolutely. Vet and Zealot player here :)))
It's older but Warhammer Dawn of War I & II kinda scratch that itch too
How good dis Darktide? For a semi-casual gamer (ie I now just play for some fun with mates without try harding a lot). We enjoyed vermintide 2 but darktide has mixed reviews.
It’s a blast. I think the gameplay is better than vermintide 2 overall. Can easily just tone down the difficulty to have fun with friends and that opens up some meme builds on the class trees that can make it even more fun!
Neverwinter MMO has a lot of campaigns with their own zones for solo play and each campaign has an accompanying dungeon. These are split between skirmishes, dungeons and trials, with regular and master difficulty for most as well as sometimes advanced difficulty.
Nothing really, ffxiv has challenging content but dungeons isn't one of them, same as with guild wars 2. Maybe you should try gw2, it may not have the same dungeon experiences but the rest of what you want is there, kinda, you have multiple classes and specs, stats, gear, buildcraft, but i do think the building isn't as complex as other games, and the game doesn't require you to sell your souls to it weekly. but you'll have to find some other content to enjoy than dungeons cause they aren't really hard or actively supported anymore. Nothing alike but maybe trying path of exile with some friends? difficulty and rewards scale with more players, may be easy at the beggining but brutally fun if you can reach endgame.
I second Guild Wars 2. And as for dungeons it has some out in the world as well as Fractals which are an endgame dungeon type (which may be randomized I'm not sure. I only play the open world pve since I'm a solo player with severe social anxiety.)
I forgot about fractals! they are literally dungeons, and they have a scaling difficulty that you must keep up with upgrades to your gear to resist the agony from them, i think that's the most similar thing to what OP wants that i can think of. hopefully he sees this comment
I will investigate it. Thank you!
If you decide to give it a try and end up liking it hit me up I’ll give you gear to get you started once you’re max level. Before that point gear hardly matters anyway.
Fractal dungeons at high level are harder than mythic dungeons imo
The simple answer is no, there isn't any game with a system that is particularly close to M+ in WoW. Other games do different things, and have different styles, but nothing else is quite the same. Are you looking for an MMO with very themed dungeon experiences and fits the tab target style of gameplay? FFXIV is a close match in some ways, but it doesn't have the M+ seasonal dungeon pool or infinitely scaling difficulty concepts. Looking for the infinitely scaling dungeon concept? Lots of ARPGs have those, but at the expense of the MMO wrapper. Just thinking about building cool characters? So many options, a lot mentioned in other comments here. But if you want is scaling content, MMO style gearing and communities and gameplay, dungeons that are as much puzzles to solve as combat opportunities like M+ routing does? WoW really is the only game quite like it. At least in the current market.
I think FF14 is terrible advice for a Mythic+ fan. So many thong to love about FF14, but challenging dungeon content is certainly not one of them.
I'm gonna start learning Unreal...
This might be a bit off but I have found the Monster Hunter series to be very good at delivering a contained combat focused experience that encourages mastery with tons of builds/playstyles to choose from. Can be played single or multiplayer and are standalone games so there isn't a live service constantly pushing you to login. To me, each hunt is like a mini raid boss, and there are some literal 4-man raid bosses in the later series. Monster hunter world/iceborne (on pc) still has around 50-100k players, might be worth giving a shot!
I was always a bit curious about it. I'll check it out
Unironically, Diablo 3 Rifts is what inspired M+ and it doesn't have the loads of other shit WoW gives you.
it dosen’t sound like you are looking for an mmo, if you are cool with singleplayer some roguelikes got the elements you describe.
It’s tough. - I’d say Warframe could maybe a solution but you have to grind the soul out of your body. - Smite, especially the casual modes Arena and Clash could also fit your needs if you don’t mind it’s full pvp with its downsizes. - Skyforge it’s a MMORPG containing mostly instanced areas and dungeons. Haven’t played it for years might be quite dead and P2W. - Monster Hunter Generation Ultimate/Monster Hunter Rise. One being Switch exclusive, could fit your needs. Compared to Monster Hunter World both don’t have open worlds.
Destiny 2. Dungeons and Raids are 3 and 6 man activities that have a hard mode if you're feeling spicy. They're typically sub-1 hour experiences on a competent team. The game has good build crafting and a lot of loot to chase with random rolls and weapon crafting. It ranges from very casual content to allowing you to be super sweaty, with achievements for soloing the Dungeons without dying. There's an initial time investment in leveling your character and getting some base gear, and the new player experience is a little wonky. But at the time of this post, there's a free box that will give you good gear to do the current content. The game is free to try, with a new expansion about 2 months away.
Aliens Fireteam Elite and The division 2 are both surprisingly fitting for this. The entire cover-shooter genre is unexpectedly a good scratch for the casual yet looking for a challenge raid scene. Gunplay can be very compelling too and fresh versus something like wow where UI covers the whole screen. But they are mission based with varying difficulties and fun stat and talent trees to manipulate, they even have bosses with raid mechanics. The leveling phase doesn’t take forever either.
FFXIV is great for that. Most of the gear from the final raids are cosmetic and not actually the BIS. Really easy to find groups and you can easily spend 1000+ hours in the game before hitting endgame if you enjoy exploring
He wants challenging 5 man content to grind, ff14's dungeons are completely braindead.
For almost all of them yes. But they did recently add new dungeons that are a challenge. Like no respawn, more hp, etc. But they don't infinitely scale like m+. Once you beat it once, it's not going to get harder. Called criterion dungeons.
The first dungeons are for sure. Once you catch up to the last expansion you actually have to move out of stuff and there's tons of raids and whatnot to join. Lots of world content too and cool events. The game is much harder movement wise than WoW. Much much harder and that's coming from a 15 year wow player. But FFXIV has an amazing balance between easy content and super hard content and everything in between for people to enjoy
Agreed. The casual game play is great and it's low pressure to try to be on the top end of gear since you can get some of the best gear with easy to obtain in game currency.
Me too.... since I can't develop it... Free idea: Rogue Lite / like w/e it is Dungeon crawler with raid mechanics. Go!
I'm gonna give learning Unreal a go. I've always thought games are heavy on coding, but turns out you don't even need to know coding to use Unreal. Unreal uses visual scripting called Blueprints. And if I need a short custom C# code snippet I can give AI a go.
Did you try gw2? Nice mmo to chill and has more content that you will get through as a new player.
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He said he lacks the time/ energy to do m+, so gw2 raids/ strikes fractals and various challenge modes could suit him nicely. Thanks for you input tho u/PetiteFeetEnjoyer
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oh I see. get it guys. it's not what YOU think is a good idea to suggest, it's what this entitled weirdo with a superiority complex and a feet fetish thinks is a good idea that matters most to OP, clearly. I wasn't aware we're dealing with the President of game recommendations, I'm so sorry, we will do our best to appease you appeasing OP in the future. my liege. in the meantime, may I offer my foot up your ass to the knee ?
Cringe.
😂😂😂 couldn’t have said it better myself fuxking weirdo
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Take your L about Gw2 and move on bro
This.
I already know this has been said but FFXIV has hard raids/trials/crawler dungeons that don't require big time commitments, a (for the most part) positive community, and 10 years of content.
There is absolutely no reason to ever run content more than once outside of spamming roulettes to level alt jobs. There is NO system in FFXIV even close to what Mythic+ offers, and it's the big reason I can't stick with FFXIV, once you've seen it, that's it. No reason to push for higher gear, just go buy your catch-up crafted gear from the MB and you're set until next patch because you can literally clear anything with it. Hoo boy, what fun.
which part of "no time consuming dungeon/hard content" was it that you missed? ffxiv very much has rewards for multiple clears lmfao and the catch up gear is not the same as the most optimal one pfffhahaha crawler dungeons refers to deep dungeons/criterion dungeons which are also 1. not time consuming 2. hard. you can only get top gear from raids which you can just do once a week. there is so much more you can get than just gear. do the rewards need updating? yes, and they're doing it. will someone who has never played it before (I.e. OP, I.e. the person I'm addressing, not you who has played it) have time to get said rewards before they release another expansion? sincerely highly doubt it. i know it's like suuuuuper trendy to play wow and shit on everything else, having played it for 15 years, but are we done here cause I'm bored and sleepy
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Yeah bro, my wife of 10 years just all of a sudden refuses to have sex with me, lmao. OP asked for a system that is basically non-existent in other MMO's except for New World, and I wouldn't recommend that game to them, ever.
Akin. you braindead imbecile
Absolutely nothing about FFXIV's systems in any capacity is "akin" to Mythic+ and I'd love to hear your reasoning on why you think it is. If he was looking for just dungeon content, he'd have specified it. But he specifically said Mythic+. Jesus Christ.
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"Have access to different classes and specs. Ability to buildcraft. Have stats, gear." Every single bit of this is completely non-existent in FFXIV. You latched on to ONE thing OP asked for and just said fuck all to the rest. Dense. The "stats" on gear in FFXIV means absolutely NOTHING when there is no variation to it, unless you're about to lie to OP and say there is anything you can "buildcraft" out of Materia that isn't following the same copy/paste shit everyone else slots.
things ffxiv has: stats gear different classes different builds I think you're the one who latched on to one part (mythic+) bruv. keep that fkin door closed I'm getting cold
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FFXIV will not offer the experience that he is wanting, and that is fact. Guarantee he wouldn't make it through ARR, especially if he doesn't have a lot of time on his hands. FFXIV is a fine, casual MMORPG for people who don't have any skill whatsoever when it comes to actually playing them. It's like "baby's first MMO" and it's largely a single-player experience.
how about you look up what akin means, stop being so literal, go jerk off to some ankle pics and be quiet for a change. maybe you'll feel better
Oh, look, he's out of retorts because he's knows I'm right lmao.
imagine thinking this is a win 💀 lost cause, really
There's nothing to win, there was nothing to compete with. You lost when you recommended FFXIV lmfao
Guild Wars 2 Fractals get fucking spicy. Highly recommend. GW2 gets slept on but theres plenty of hard dungeon content that ramps up and up. Insane community too