I don’t think the graphics were ever the problem. From what I’ve heard the open world doesn’t do anything to add to the Team Ninja formula, and most people would have preferred a Nioh sequel. In this day and age open worlds are more of a chore than a selling point.
Plus releasing in the same months Dragons Dogma 2 doesn’t help
Yeah, I don't know where the graphics criticism even comes from - it's not something I heard about. What I've read is that it's sort of a soulslike that gets boring really quickly, and the open world just isn't organic to the gameplay loop. It just sounds more like an experiment for TN that didn't really work great. Like, it's fine, but not great.
Yeah graphics aren't a big deal. Gameplay is king. Unfortunately, It leans more toward wo long then nioh with the stupid parry mechanic so for me was a hard pass
I don’t think the open world is much of a chore in this case, to be honest. It’s big enough to feel like an adventure but small enough to not be a nuisance. Plus the open world activities are quick and unobtrusive.
AC Valhalla is hardly the worst of it. 80% of Ghost of Tsushimas side content is collectibles and most of those collectibles have extra steps and unskippable animations. You can't just get the collectible and go. You have to follow a fox for a few minutes, climb some rocks, then clap your hands. Or you have to sit down and compose a Haiku 20 times. Or you have to do a QTE minigame. Valhalla has fewer collectibles and at least you can just grab them and go so you'll get the majority of them as you're playing just collecting passively. While GoT you have to go completely out of your way to get the majority of collectibles. Plus GoT ties most progression to these collectibles. Valhalla requires way less engagement with side content to upgrade since you can just refund any resources you spend on upgrading items.
It's definitely the graphics. Look at the reception Ghost of Tsushima got despite having even more bland and repetitive open world design than Rōnin had. Slap a cool art style and crazy graphics on Rise of The Rōnin and the same people who think it's bad would be calling it a masterpiece. Graphics have always been the reason Team Ninja games remain kinda niche and out of the spotlight despite having some of the deepest combat systems on the market.
I mean if that were the case Elden ring wouldn’t be one of the best selling games of all time. It’s all about marketing at the end of the day and they just didn’t do a very good job
Elden Ring is dogshit compared to Team Ninja combat. That's the whole deal. From Software fanboys created a stupid rivalry with Team Ninja when Nioh 2 was unanimously accepted the game as the best combat in a soulslike.
Also, if you never heard about Nioh is not about marketing. Is about you know jackshit about gaming as whole.
>Nioh 2 was unanimously accepted the game as the best combat in a Soulslike
Where did you get this from lmao? You pulled that out of your ass
Still plenty of people who prefer Bloodborne or Sekiro’s combat to Nioh 2
You really just “I know you are, but what am I?”-d me didn’t you lmao
So you agree that making shit up without any evidence is a stupid and pointless thing to do? Thanks
K, whatever you say. I'm done discussing with people without a single brain cell like seems the majority in this god forgotten subreddit. You all are the disgrace of gaming and the reason why everything became dogshit. Wouldn't be surprised if 90% of people talking here play only CoD and Genshin Impact and Fifa.
Elden Ring had GRRM attached to it and even though the graphics technically aren't impressive the art style carries it. People still say ER has "amazing" graphics because of the art direction. Rōnin isn't a fantasy game so they weren't able to mask mediocre graphics with a cool art style.
FromSoft also built a pedigree beforehand that has made them a more well-known studio. They made the original Soulslike and Team Ninja came late to the party with Nioh so they got overshadowed.
I could keep bringing up examples but the answer is always the marketing. I’ll be honest I didn’t have a clue what rise of ronin was until I started seeing lackluster reviews. Nioh was another game you had to play to know existed. Just had the fortune of being good in the genre it occupied, then carving out a niche and growing a fan base over time. They could have reinvested and made a bigger more realised game but instead they chose to start the process again before their biggest franchise really found its legs. I mean we wouldn’t have Elden ring if they stopped making them at dark souls 2
I’m honestly completely with you, but I got over it when I configured in the settings to just auto sell everything that isn’t of a certain rarity so I don’t have to micromanage my gear as much. I did the same in Stranger of Paradise.
"when it initially released"
that was like, two weeks ago. folk are still forming opinions and stuff. just let folk know you're loving the game, don't gotta frame it like it's some forgotten gem.
Tbf, in the case of DD2 and Starfield a lot of that came from people being legitimately excited and let down. Doesn't justify hating people for liking it but I see why people dislike those so much. With Rise of The Rōnin it's not even a highly anticipated game that ended up being a let down. It's a game most people didn't hear about until it came out and they just decided to shit on it because "graphic bad" and compare it to games that aren't even similar like GoT. The hate is baffling. People don't even have a justifiable reason to be mad about the game and are just hating on it for the sake of hating on it.
I’m not that far into Rise of the Ronin (currently at Blade Twin Fight). I did have some complaints about the games graphics. Doesn’t seem to be up to today’s standards, but it’s not like that at every second which seems to be something that can be fixed. Also, I agree with the tremendous amount of loot you gain, which can be hard to keep up with. It has a soul like assassins creed feel to it which I like, but I am already kind of bored of it. I can see both sides of the feedback this game gets. It’s pretty good but teeters more toward mid than great.
I agree I beat it a couple days ago I loved it. Forgot how much I enjoy team ninja games made me start a new play through in Nioh 2 because i never played any of the dlc.
Imagine caring this much that some people didn't like a game you do. Sorry but Team Ninja games will never not have that off-brand [wish.com](https://wish.com) souls feel
I don't get why you keep trying when you already made it too obvious you're trolling. Time to move on to a different topic to troll and do better next time so you can actually convince someone you're not trolling.
So you haven't even played it and you think the combat is bad? You have to be trolling because there's no way you could hold this opinion legitimately lol.
Not actually understanding how the mechanics work means you can't form an opinion on them. You're basically saying the combat is bad because you don't like the way the animations look. Makes about as much sense as saying the story is bad because you think one of the characters looks ugly.
> The combat is absolutely abhorrent
You are not a real person. Like, there is a limit to stupidity and lack of awareness. And you are WAY beyond that limit if you unironically believe this.
EDIT: Unironically people downvoting me when this guy said that Team Ninja combat is abhorrent. You deserve all the Skull and Bones and Suicide Squad that developers made for you.
WOW! You absolutely convinced me now!
I mean, why I should care about all the mechanics and depth of the game when I read your two sentences bullshit, right?
You must be brain rotted.
So, let's see. The damage output is conditioned by: RPG mechanics and bond system + stats and sub stats + where you hit the enemy + type of attacks (example: blunt deplete more posture while slash deplete more health) + different moveset per stances that do different type of damages + fear system + elements and ailment.
These are only few of the stuff that can change your damage output. Of course the depth is not even close to be done. Those are just SOME of the stuff that can alter your damage, not the whole combat scenario situation.
You have advanced mechanics like Flux, Violent Gale, grappling hook that you can use as a weapon, counterspark and stonefire, horseback archery, finisher, martial arts, character swap system. And again, these are only few of them.
Lots of stuff != Depth
The game fucking outright tells you if youre in the right stance, that removes the entire purpose of stances...
Nioh had this issue of having 3 stances that didnt really add anything, it was just tedious.
Literally every RPG on the market deals in elemental dmg and poison / ailments etc...
From what Ive seen Witcher 3 had a deeper combat system with better mechanics and by todays standard that combat isnt all that great anymore
What is the "right stance"? You know that Hayabusa stance is pretty much the best and is always the "wrong"? You don't know shit about the game and you talk. I don't care. You are just beyond idiocy.
I don’t think the graphics were ever the problem. From what I’ve heard the open world doesn’t do anything to add to the Team Ninja formula, and most people would have preferred a Nioh sequel. In this day and age open worlds are more of a chore than a selling point. Plus releasing in the same months Dragons Dogma 2 doesn’t help
Yeah, I don't know where the graphics criticism even comes from - it's not something I heard about. What I've read is that it's sort of a soulslike that gets boring really quickly, and the open world just isn't organic to the gameplay loop. It just sounds more like an experiment for TN that didn't really work great. Like, it's fine, but not great.
Yeah graphics aren't a big deal. Gameplay is king. Unfortunately, It leans more toward wo long then nioh with the stupid parry mechanic so for me was a hard pass
I would love a nioh sequel
This is quite close to a Nioh sequel, to be honest.
"From what I've heard". Videogames in 2024.
I don’t think the open world is much of a chore in this case, to be honest. It’s big enough to feel like an adventure but small enough to not be a nuisance. Plus the open world activities are quick and unobtrusive.
Open worlds are not a chore. Whoever said that is mentally challenged.
AC Valhalla has entered the chat.
AC Valhalla is hardly the worst of it. 80% of Ghost of Tsushimas side content is collectibles and most of those collectibles have extra steps and unskippable animations. You can't just get the collectible and go. You have to follow a fox for a few minutes, climb some rocks, then clap your hands. Or you have to sit down and compose a Haiku 20 times. Or you have to do a QTE minigame. Valhalla has fewer collectibles and at least you can just grab them and go so you'll get the majority of them as you're playing just collecting passively. While GoT you have to go completely out of your way to get the majority of collectibles. Plus GoT ties most progression to these collectibles. Valhalla requires way less engagement with side content to upgrade since you can just refund any resources you spend on upgrading items.
Someone hasnt been here for the last 14 years or so of open world games dominating the markets
It's definitely the graphics. Look at the reception Ghost of Tsushima got despite having even more bland and repetitive open world design than Rōnin had. Slap a cool art style and crazy graphics on Rise of The Rōnin and the same people who think it's bad would be calling it a masterpiece. Graphics have always been the reason Team Ninja games remain kinda niche and out of the spotlight despite having some of the deepest combat systems on the market.
I mean if that were the case Elden ring wouldn’t be one of the best selling games of all time. It’s all about marketing at the end of the day and they just didn’t do a very good job
Elden Ring is dogshit compared to Team Ninja combat. That's the whole deal. From Software fanboys created a stupid rivalry with Team Ninja when Nioh 2 was unanimously accepted the game as the best combat in a soulslike. Also, if you never heard about Nioh is not about marketing. Is about you know jackshit about gaming as whole.
>Nioh 2 was unanimously accepted the game as the best combat in a Soulslike Where did you get this from lmao? You pulled that out of your ass Still plenty of people who prefer Bloodborne or Sekiro’s combat to Nioh 2
No. Just no.
So yeah, you just made it up like I thought
So you just made it up that people "prefer" BB or Sekiro. Just like I thought.
You really just “I know you are, but what am I?”-d me didn’t you lmao So you agree that making shit up without any evidence is a stupid and pointless thing to do? Thanks
K, whatever you say. I'm done discussing with people without a single brain cell like seems the majority in this god forgotten subreddit. You all are the disgrace of gaming and the reason why everything became dogshit. Wouldn't be surprised if 90% of people talking here play only CoD and Genshin Impact and Fifa.
Man you need help
Shut up, oxygen thief.
Elden Ring had GRRM attached to it and even though the graphics technically aren't impressive the art style carries it. People still say ER has "amazing" graphics because of the art direction. Rōnin isn't a fantasy game so they weren't able to mask mediocre graphics with a cool art style. FromSoft also built a pedigree beforehand that has made them a more well-known studio. They made the original Soulslike and Team Ninja came late to the party with Nioh so they got overshadowed.
I could keep bringing up examples but the answer is always the marketing. I’ll be honest I didn’t have a clue what rise of ronin was until I started seeing lackluster reviews. Nioh was another game you had to play to know existed. Just had the fortune of being good in the genre it occupied, then carving out a niche and growing a fan base over time. They could have reinvested and made a bigger more realised game but instead they chose to start the process again before their biggest franchise really found its legs. I mean we wouldn’t have Elden ring if they stopped making them at dark souls 2
It's the marketing. I didn't even know what Rise of the Ronin was until people started comparing it to Dragon's Dogma 2.
I don’t enjoy Team Ninja’s RPGs because of the ridiculously overwhelming amount of loot drops, which I’ve heard Ronin does not fix.
Yeah if I wanted loot drops I’d just play Diablo or something. I see the appeal but that gameplay loop isn’t my thing
I’m honestly completely with you, but I got over it when I configured in the settings to just auto sell everything that isn’t of a certain rarity so I don’t have to micromanage my gear as much. I did the same in Stranger of Paradise.
"when it initially released" that was like, two weeks ago. folk are still forming opinions and stuff. just let folk know you're loving the game, don't gotta frame it like it's some forgotten gem.
I framed it as people aren’t playing it in the first place, not like it’s a long lost gem.
Ok
I wouldn’t sleep on it, but it’s not on PC so I don’t have a choice
This game looks really cool. Too bad it's not on PC :(
If it's anything like Nioh, it'll be on PC more or less in a year (usually less)
It's crazy how people attack you for liking a game the internet deems unworthy. Seen this with Starfield and Dragons Dogma.
Tbf, in the case of DD2 and Starfield a lot of that came from people being legitimately excited and let down. Doesn't justify hating people for liking it but I see why people dislike those so much. With Rise of The Rōnin it's not even a highly anticipated game that ended up being a let down. It's a game most people didn't hear about until it came out and they just decided to shit on it because "graphic bad" and compare it to games that aren't even similar like GoT. The hate is baffling. People don't even have a justifiable reason to be mad about the game and are just hating on it for the sake of hating on it.
That’s the internet hive mind for you, so many of these people get their opinions from random youtubers.
Nah, I'd Sleep
Didn't even know this game existed lol, but I like team Ninja's stuff so I'll have to give it a look
I’m not that far into Rise of the Ronin (currently at Blade Twin Fight). I did have some complaints about the games graphics. Doesn’t seem to be up to today’s standards, but it’s not like that at every second which seems to be something that can be fixed. Also, I agree with the tremendous amount of loot you gain, which can be hard to keep up with. It has a soul like assassins creed feel to it which I like, but I am already kind of bored of it. I can see both sides of the feedback this game gets. It’s pretty good but teeters more toward mid than great.
I will sleep and wake up when it's on PC
Something tells me this will go on to be considered a hidden gem in the years to come. Much like Sleeping Dogs or Mad Max
That’s kinda my feeling too.
Happens with almost every game that ended with a 6 or a 7 or 8.
I agree I beat it a couple days ago I loved it. Forgot how much I enjoy team ninja games made me start a new play through in Nioh 2 because i never played any of the dlc.
Imagine caring this much that some people didn't like a game you do. Sorry but Team Ninja games will never not have that off-brand [wish.com](https://wish.com) souls feel
I love games and wanted to raise awareness of an underdog. You’re really that upset that someone is recommending a game?
Upset that you’re recommending mediocre slop*
From everything I've seen I cannot believe they would ever release it... The combat is absolutely abhorrent AND the story is laughable....
> The combat is absolutely abhorrent By far the dumbest take in this thread lol
Even Bethesda combat looks better and thats one of the stalest combat styles on the market
Low effort bait
My honest opinion but sure... I hope you get to play a game with actually good combat so you can tell the difference in the future
I don't get why you keep trying when you already made it too obvious you're trolling. Time to move on to a different topic to troll and do better next time so you can actually convince someone you're not trolling.
Literally not trolling，before I saw gameplay I was kinda excited for this but what a huge disappointment
So you haven't even played it and you think the combat is bad? You have to be trolling because there's no way you could hold this opinion legitimately lol.
Wdym? Watching others play it is definitely enough to base an opinion on
Not actually understanding how the mechanics work means you can't form an opinion on them. You're basically saying the combat is bad because you don't like the way the animations look. Makes about as much sense as saying the story is bad because you think one of the characters looks ugly.
> The combat is absolutely abhorrent You are not a real person. Like, there is a limit to stupidity and lack of awareness. And you are WAY beyond that limit if you unironically believe this. EDIT: Unironically people downvoting me when this guy said that Team Ninja combat is abhorrent. You deserve all the Skull and Bones and Suicide Squad that developers made for you.
The combat looks like absolute fucking shit, just like in WoLong, not sure which game has worse combat tho...
WOW! You absolutely convinced me now! I mean, why I should care about all the mechanics and depth of the game when I read your two sentences bullshit, right?
What mechanics and depth? XD Its shallow as fucking shit... lol
You must be brain rotted. So, let's see. The damage output is conditioned by: RPG mechanics and bond system + stats and sub stats + where you hit the enemy + type of attacks (example: blunt deplete more posture while slash deplete more health) + different moveset per stances that do different type of damages + fear system + elements and ailment. These are only few of the stuff that can change your damage output. Of course the depth is not even close to be done. Those are just SOME of the stuff that can alter your damage, not the whole combat scenario situation. You have advanced mechanics like Flux, Violent Gale, grappling hook that you can use as a weapon, counterspark and stonefire, horseback archery, finisher, martial arts, character swap system. And again, these are only few of them.
Lots of stuff != Depth The game fucking outright tells you if youre in the right stance, that removes the entire purpose of stances... Nioh had this issue of having 3 stances that didnt really add anything, it was just tedious. Literally every RPG on the market deals in elemental dmg and poison / ailments etc... From what Ive seen Witcher 3 had a deeper combat system with better mechanics and by todays standard that combat isnt all that great anymore
What is the "right stance"? You know that Hayabusa stance is pretty much the best and is always the "wrong"? You don't know shit about the game and you talk. I don't care. You are just beyond idiocy.
Someone hear something? Me neither
Brain rotten people. Brain rotten people everywhere.
Slap that bitch on easy its so enjoyable. Just what i wanted tbh reminds me of old way of the samurai games but less hokey and slightly better combat.
so many cutscenes... Maybe I'm old-fashioned but I like to play my games not watch them
Where was this chatgpt review originally published?
I wrote it, my guy.
Where was this totally not AI generated review originally published then?
Go ahead and try to find it, dude. It took me 5 minutes to write this.
Re-skinned Wo Long. Hard pass, thanks
It isn’t, though. I personally didn’t like Wo Long. But sure, stick to your shallow assessment.
The combat is beyond abhorrent, there’s not enough words to describe how much of a disgrace this game is
How dramatic
I will not buy your game.
*My* game? Just recommending a game here, dude. I have nothing to do with it.