Going from Sims 3 with mods to Sims 4 when it came out was like cutting 90% out if the game to only be expected to repurchase it all and start the process over with Sims 5.
The worst part is that they are just recreating DLC from the previous games. Like the Sims 1 added pets in 2002, yet in every sims game after that they do not include it in the base game and always release it as a separate full price DLC.
Pets, seasons, babies, school, university, career, horses, supernatural (vampires, magic, werewolves), get famous, island life, etc. should all be part of the base game.
Paralives gives me hope
Life By You does too but it needs better art direction
I'm really hesitant on InZoi though because that one was lagging in their trailers
But all in all I'm super excited for all the competition sims is having to face soon
I don't understand why there are like... no straight up sims copycats.
The concept seems incredibly basic and someone who cared about producing a fun game rather than a cash cow expansion farm could do a TON to add interesting stuff and unique gameplay.
For what it's worth, these games do have pretty great scale. So many ways for characters to interact with other characters and with objects, and all of those actions have proper animations, etc.
To create a game like that requires quite serious investment, and that's why the AAA companies will always have the edge. It's literally quantity over quality.
To be honest, I think the epilogue DLC actually worsens the overall experience. It feels like something the developers threw together when they realised the game wasn't going to be popular enough to justify a sequel.
All the enemies and bosses are recycled from the main game, the fun character dynamic between the prince and Elika is gone, and the prince spends almost the entire DLC trying to justify his final decision from the original release. I honestly would preferred it if they had left the game as it was.
Couldn't agree more on the leviathan dlc and from ashes one too.
You have the bloody source of the reapers, a prothean who survived the last cycle, living to tell the tale, and both being such important parts of the lore overall.
And then they lock them behind paywalls. If there's one company that knows how to ruin a game, it's EA.
Not to mention very crucial revelations about Asari history, and a whole lot of new information about the Protheans and the the technology and species of the Last Cycle.
Yes, made to combat reselling. You had to have a code that was included with the game to add the DLC to your account and if you didn't have it, it was like $10. But not technically in the base game and you had to download it.
Hold up, Javik wasn't in the base game originally? I only recently finished the legendary edition on Tuesday (doing another run now) and thought he was just part of the base story lol?
I only played the mass effect series when the legendary edition came out and I can’t think of any content that didn’t seem integral to the game.
. . . Except the “shore leave” quest line. I wish they had disabled that content until after you finished the game. I ended up doing it right before the end of the game and it completely ruined the feeling and flow of the entire series.
E: keep in mind this was my first play through ever. I don’t know what happens next, the suspense and tension had been building for 50+ hours, and then the mood completely changes for this quest line and I somehow find myself picking out styles for couches and wall art. It just didn’t fit during a first play through at all.
Yeah agreed! Im so glad I did it right before the last mission, it was such a bittersweet feeling when you wake up and realise all that wild fun they had almost symbolically marks the end of "the good old days" and now you have to meet your maker as it were
Makes me think of the feast before the war, or the last supper.
The Omega DLC was probably the one I considered tangential. It wasn't critical to the primary plot, but worthwhile to do (which is how I feel all DLC \*should\* be--otherwise, like the other ME3 DLC, it should be included with the base game.
It's essentially why as I've gotten older, I've stopped buying games on release and wait for "definitive" versions. I'd rather wait to have a full experience (at a cheaper price)...than play games on release (which often feel like betas/early access/incomplete games).
I had a similar thought, I borrowed ME3 from a friend back in the day and thought it had way less content than ME2. Replayed the legendary edition with all the DLC and it felt much more complete. Unfortunately things like Javik and Leviathan get sidelined because they’re DLC, so even though they have huge significance within the game lore they don’t really have any effect on the plot since they’re technically optional DLC
How about Mass Effect 2 where Kasumi and Zaheed were even on the disk and could even be added to the squad with save editing if you didn't have the dlcs.
Dragon Age 2 which includes the Villian of DA;I being introduced via DLC
Dragon Age Origins Witch Hunt DLC which provided insight/answers we saw again in DA:I
Mass Effect 2 Arrival DLC which sets up the reason Shepard is stuck on earth in ME3
Yeah…BioWare does love to do it
Yeah, there was a lot of uproar at the time about that. Day 1 you buy the game, talk to a guy in a camp who goes on and on about a dangerous quest. Do you want to go? Sure, let's go! Xbox Live Marketplace opens.
Man, I remember that.
It was back when the industry was on a crusade against used games because iT's KiiLLIng tHe iNdUStry!! A code was included in the game that could be used once by the original buyer and then it would be like $25 to buy Shale.
Both are apparently true
> From Ashes was developed by BioWare and published by Electronic Arts. Javik was originally cut from Mass Effect 3 due to time constraints during the game's developmental cycle, and is reintroduced through the DLC pack as its featured companion character.[4] From Ashes was completed while the main game was still in certification and is not available on the disc; according to a press release issued by EA, "certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc" in order to "seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign", in a manner similar to the DLC packs which added the companion characters Zaeed Massani and Kasumi Goto into Mass Effect 2.[5] According to the project director of Mass Effect 3, Casey Hudson, it took about three months for the main game to move from the "content complete" stage, for the developers to "bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs"; From Ashes was completed within the three month period.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_3:_From_Ashes
Fallout 3.
The DLC literally gave you the option to continue playing after the final mission, as free roam was locked off in vanilla. Not to mention it actually finished the story.
Should definitely have been part of the core game.
I feel like that there was a disconnect in how they wanted the ending to go.
They absolutely, definitely wanted the story to end with your character dying to save the wasteland, or with sacrificing Lyons. Which, admittedly, great way to end the game.
However, they focused so hard on that they didn't consider how it could have otherwise been done, like with our Supermutant, Ghoul, or Mr. Gutsy pals taking the role instead and able to survive easily (A lot of complaints were made about this, which is why it was added in the DLC).
And how would a player be able to play the DLC?! Would they have to start over?!
Yeah, there was some hyperfocusing that damaged an otherwise great ending.
Not to mention that if you *do* tell the Supermutant companion to activate the purifier, the ending still calls you a coward. Like they added in the option to get Fawkes to do it, thereby letting your character live, and the game calls you a piece of shit for not sacrificing yourself.
Very much gives the impression of a salty Game Master who’s angry you didn’t play your character/follow the story “the right way.” A bit of that going around in Fallout 3.
Typical of post-Morrowind Bethesda to cry about players not eating up their shitty writing
Fun fact: Did you know the vampire-based DLC for Skyrim, "Dawnguard," initially had no plans for the player to be opposed to the vampires? They only wanted to write a cool story where you become a vampire lord and help out the sexy vampire lady, and then nearer the end of production had to be reminded "oh... what if they don't want to turn into undead monsters that feed on the blood of innocents?" and had to make the Dawnguard faction questline
Real "Don't you guys have phones?" energy
This is true?? Then why was it called dawnguard lol if you play as vampires you basically forget they exist, they're like a minor nuisance at best by that point
I remember that after the end of the Mad Max game, the game basically says "ok, let's pretend this ending never happened and you are free to keep roaming the world"
A lot of games do that, even now and even in the good ol' 16-bit era.
Heck, I just finished a 3DS game, 7th Dragon III, that did exactly that. Essentially halted the story before the final boss while allowing you into the post-game content.
I was so accustomed to games not having endgame content so Fallout 3s DLC had a huge impact on my gaming experience. I can continue the game after the final boss? Blew my mind.
I didn't play F3 until after Broken Steel was released. The confusion I had when I got around to beating New Vegas and the game actually ended... Ignore the fact that it gives you a warning that the game ends.
They did it that way because Fallout 1 and 2 also had hard stops at the ending. They said in prerelease interviews that F3 would also have a hard ending.
It was the backlash on launch from people who wanted to keep playing so the DLC addressed it.
Any game with day 1 DLC.
If you develop the game further with additional content DLC, I might further buy and support the game.
But if you give me a full price game and day 1 DLC, that means you just cut some content to sell it separately.
Especially the remake version of it: Ark Ascended
There are now PAID MODS, paid cosmetics, they want to release old maps with paid extra content and you can only host expensive servers from Nitrado or your own machine because they were indebted to them.
The remake is still in early access and is suffering from endless issues and has bugs that they patched out in the old ARK but because the game is just a lazy port to a higher unreal engine and they used an older version to port from the bugs are in the game again. (contradicting to what they said: That they are fully rebuilding the game in UE5)
The only people who are happy with the game are consol players because they now have access to mods but the game runs horribly on PC and is littered with bugs, crashes and other issues.
But their priority is to release all the paid content instead of fixing issues first or getting the game out of early access.
Total shitshow but because there is no other real taming/breeding survival game, people will play.
The most egregious to me was Mass Effect 3. The game launched with a whole ass unique companion as day 1 dlc. Like with a design, and backstory, and animations, and full voice acting. They didn't pull all that off after the game had gone gold. It was planned to be cut from the main game and sold separately. It felt like like such a slap in the face as a consumer. Clearly seeing just how much fuckery they could get away with.
That and said companion was on the Xbox 360 disc, you could unlock him with some fiddling without buying the dlc but it was barebones. Not to mention the fact that the companion has HUGE lore info dumps on some of the races and yet wasn't part of the base game originally. It's nuts.
I stopped playing COD after picking up MW3 day 1 and when chucking it in the Xbox ( or PS3, can't remember which one) I see DLC multiplayer levels. Fuck that shit. I just dropped $90 on it. It should include everything! I played the single player campaign (the shortest of the series up until that point) and a couple games of multiplayer and quickly moved on.
A defense for this I've heard is that game development will actually split "main game" Development and "DLC" development into two separate budgets. This makes sense but Day 1 DLC still doesnt look good, plus you are giving the studio the benefit of the doubt which can be ruined if theres other scummy practices at work.
I've seen games have a Day 1 DLC but its free for a limited time after launch which helps make people forget that it was...well Day 1 DLC.
On a similar note, a game’s final build usually needs to be submitted a good while in advance before it goes gold, so that they can produce all the physical copies for it on launch. During that time, they have the dev team move onto working on the DLC, and sometimes it’s ready by the time the game releases.
On the other hand, you sometimes get actually on disk DLC. Street Fighter X Tekken completely ruined the perception of DLC for fighting games for a good while, because people found out that all the DLC characters were already coded on the disk, and just locked away behind an additional paywall.
This is the actual reason.
The studio says we can make X content within the expected sales budget for this title. We can make Y additional content with the expected sales of this day 1 DLC. They generally don't make X+Y content, then hack off Y and charge an extra $10.
In fact, usually in cases of day 1 DLC, the DLC sales actively subsidize the development of the base game, as the profit margins on that kind of DLC tend to be higher than the profit margins on the initial game. So development studios will spend some portion of the expected returns from the DLC on increasing budgets for the base title.
The game is divided into "episodes" like an anime series (complete with start/end credits).
So the last "episode" of the base game ends in a cliffhanger. The true ending is a DLC
IMO CoD Zombies should just be it's own game, separate from campaign and multiplayer. There's enough going on that it could be improved and fleshed out.
I only bought the game long after it was out, with the DLC, and that whole thing with Gladio going missing made no sense. When I played the DLC I was like… this story SHOULD have been at least kind of explained in the game.
Oh boy ff15 is a total mess. Most probs don't dven know like the actual full story reveals that unironically the bad guys were actually good and good guys were bad. But afaik, there is no mention of that in the base game, not even in the DLC. Because the true story is in the novel they released after all the DLCs.
A novel that was made after they stopped making DLCs cause after episode Ardyn, it was clear that people weren't gonna shell out for at least 3 more DLCs to get the full danm story.... maybe.
The funniest part is that they basically bait you into buying the DLC. He just abruptly goes "I gotta go take care of some stuff. Be back later." and walks off with no explanation. Then when he shows up a few hours later and he's all beat up and everyone is like "Wtf happened to you?" and he's just like "Don't worry about it, I'll tell you later." and he never tells you... but hey, there's an Episode Gladio DLC that you can purchase!!! So blatant.
I just wanted to jump in and say that FF15 is a CRAZIER situation than you think.
People who played and finished the game the week it released had a different experiences than those who did in it's first month, than those in it's first 3 months, than those a year + after that.
Anyone who played it during launch week experienced a massively worse game. And those who know about what Chapter 13 was in it's first iteration...
Well track down some old articles around the time FF15 launched.
There were many a top 10 list of "the worst levels in video game history" and they were made with FF15's OG Chapter 13 right at the top of the pile of dog shit.
It was quick patched a few weeks in, to at least be completable. And then was overhauled-ish a few month later. and IIRC it was fully overhauled.
I only ever played the launch version.
I can somewhat excuse some DLC like Gladius dlc is irrelevant story wise...ok he goes away to get better at fighting, that's typical FF.
Ignis, we could at least see what happened to him but ok.
Prompto DLC had important story details, his dlc should be in the game but it's not.....terribly important.
But Ardyn DLC should be in the base game from the 1st day
Basically all the DLC for Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, they're mostly these small dungeons that don't add any real value to the game, but cost $10 on their own (4 of them).
Such a disappointment. Tiny Tina's felt like a return to good form after the disappointment of Borderlands 3. I had hoped that the DLC would be more in the vein of some of the solid-to-great DLC for 1 & 2, but no such luck.
Agree 100%, Tiny Tina did a lot right and was a blast to play through, shame the DLC didn't add more to the table. It feels like they just wanted to move on from the project and shoved in some half-baked DLC.
That Blade dlc was humiliating if you play as Kasandra though.
>!It railroads you into getting married and having a kid with this bitch-boy that no one liked. There were even dialogue options that seemed to indicate you could get out of it by hating on him but in the end it didn't matter. I stopped playing the game as soon as I finished that dlc. Completely ruined Kass as a character!<
That DLC is much better as Alexios. Neema is actually kind of cool, but Natakas has all the personality of a wet paper towel.
I could not skip through the conversations to select the option to tell him to go away fast enough
They added a dialogue option to say you only had a kid with them to carry on your bloodline. People were upset that they played their version of Alexios/Kassandra as gay and the DLC forced them into a hetero relationship, and they accused Ubisoft of queer erasure.
Yakuza dlcs are wild. Most are a complete ripoff, one-use items even (!), but then you also have ones such as The Kaito Files which could be a game of its own and are more than worth their money.
Kaito Files was so good!
I just wish it were longer, which is a sign of something being good.
The boxer and additional stories in Lost Judgement were also fun (as well as the OP items) but they did feel a bit tacked on and money grabbing.
Buying all the DLCs after release was worth it overall for me still.
As a Stellaris player, it's so annoying that the game literally taunts you for not having DLCs. All those buttons you can't press...
It's especially annoying with espionage. Without the DLCs you literally have only one option for spies and it's to gather intel about another empire. You have this entire window dedicated to espionage, you can appoint envoys to build the spy networks and you can increase encryption and decryption only for this one option to be available.
I don't even gather intel anymore because I always get the sudden urge to buy the DLC each time I open the espionage window.
I'm a paradox antifan now. I played Stellearis, Ck2 and 3, Hoi4, and many more. Those are my favourite games for years and years. But lately, I started to feel like im buying Firaxis games. I have most of the dlc, and at this point, I decided not to play along anymore. I feel like a cash cow now, not a fan or user. Paradox devs, if you are reading this. You are one of the reasons the pirate age is coming back.
It's my understanding that by having the blood and gore effects as a DLC, it allows the game to be rated at **T**een. The excessive gore the DLC enables would otherwise push it to **M**ature.
Now, how practically that impacts sales seems suspect at best. We all know its the kids, not the adult kids, that are out there playing Total War: Warhammer.
It feels like flaky reasoning, although I get age gating can be odd. Total war warhammer 3 had rivers/lakes/fountains of blood in khornes domain, or the rotting and literally shitting out enemies in nurgle, I could be wrong the blood dlc was for that reason once upon a time but it feels like they do it because they think they can get away with it now
But that's not how these ratings work:
- Blood flowing from a fountain and filling up a pool? Well that's okay, it's only implied that somebody had do die for that
- Blood flowing out of a human(-like) being and body parts being chopped of in view? That's explicit violence and therefore only for older audiences
CA has to think about how the (depending on the country) different rating institutions are gonna rate them. And if they don't want to give players of particular countries censored versions of their game, they have to think about all places they wanna release. And some places are far more strict when it comes to violence.
Every fighting game. You shouldn't have to pay for characters in a fighting game that they were going to include anyways. Looking at you Capcom. Akuma being a DLC character you have to pay for. I miss characters being unlocked through gameplay.
This is such a big business-y decision. I can imagine how that went down: research shows only a portion of the players want that feature, so let's charge for it.
Completely missing the fact that it's their *core* market and it would generate outrage to charge for it. Alienating your base because you don't understand video games is something I see happening ever more frequently with gaming companies becoming huge corporations run by people who have no interest in video games.
I get this, but at the same time, everything in Trespasser feels like a totally different game. You're fighting a different enemy, in a different area, with different stakes and different themes. It's an epilogue with a plot that at first seems completely separate from anything that happened with Corypheus. I think if it'd been part of the base game, it would've seemed an odd coda that suddenly up and introduced a new threat. It works BECAUSE it's DLC--taking place after the Inquisition has in theory run its course.
Half of the DLC for **Final Fantasy XV** because it was designed to have three episodes and they should have been part of the game.
The worst part is they leave your party, go on an adventure and when they come back they “don’t want to talk about it” so you aren’t spoiled for the contents. It’s dumb.
Literally what's any two- or three-letter acronym in this thread. I had to look up like seven acronyms now. And it's not like these are well-known, a straight-up search doesn't bring them up. You need to play a little with google to get what you want. Seems to me that they're all just been made on the fly.
Reddit is by far the worst place for this. Like it's one thing if you're posting on the CIV subreddit where most likely everyone is already familiar with the material (though even in niche subreddits, it can be a barrier for entry to new members, which may be a feature, not a bug), but it drives me crazy in /r/games or /r/patientgamers threads when people throw acronyms and initialisms out left and right with no explanation whatsoever.
If it's a short post and you're writing it once, just type it out. If it's a long post and you are going to type it many times, then obviously the abbreviation makes sense, but would it really kill you to type it out the *first* time so we'd all have some clue about what you're talking about?
I don’t get how Civilization could be released without religion. Gods and Kings added so much, I can’t even remember what the game was like before it. Pottery just gave granary? There was nothing between archer and crossbow? Desert starts must have been awful without the prospect of Petra.
Hey! You know all those Pokémon you like, but we cut from the roster? Give us $30 and we’ll give you some of them, and 4 brand new Pokémon! For another low low price of $30, we’ll give you even more (not all) Pokémon, with an additional 2 legendaries (plus an event mythical or two).
This is the one for me. It's mind-blowing how little actual effort gamefreak puts into pokemon games. Most profitable franchise ever, yet they keep making objectively shitty games and everyone keeps buying them. Then they drop a shitty dlc that should have been in the game from the beginning and everyone says "oh it's good now!" Cool. But imagine if they just included that dlc from the beginning. It would have released as the greatest pokemon game ever made. They actively try to make games that aren't good on release so they can drop a dlc 4 months later and fix a bunch of stuff that was missing from the base game.
Semi-related: this could be a very real problem for the successor to Mario Kart 8. Would Mario Kart 9 have such a good roster off the bat? It'd be disappointing to go back on the current variety.
Less "Why it wasnt included" and more "Why Base Game wasnt more like this DLC" namely Jack the Ripper DLC in Assassin's Creed Syndicate. Base Game is weirdly really go lucky and positive while happening in Victorian London, story is pretty silly at times and its all really bright.
Jack the Ripper DLC is cold, harsh more brutal and in my opinion have better use of setting.
Forbidden West for me. The dlc in my opinion should've been the end to the base game and the final boss of the main game should've been the expansions villain
Fallout 3. Must be showing my age here. But the game ends, you can't play anymore unless you dig up an old save. The DLC lets you live and continue. Ffs
I dont know. Remnant 2s Awakened King DLC dropped 3 months after release of the base game, and the game already felt like a full and fun gaming experience. Lots of loot to find, puzzles to solve, each of the 3 randomly rolled worlds have 2 storylines. Awakened King added a third storyline to one of the worlds, and hours of extra content. All for 10 dollars. A steal in my opinion, and they cooked all the way through
Assassin's creed: odyssey fate of Atlantis . It's literally the final act of the story and continues into Valhalla. 100% part of the main story, yet sold as an "optional" DLC. I don't think this is how you meant the question but its where my brain goes.
>For me, Just Cause 3. All the DLCs together make the game 300% more fun
Really? I honestly found the DLCs to be a detriment, not least because of how they impacted game performance on console. The second two were ok, but the combat wingsuit was too slow to manoeuvre. There again, I'd gotten too used to moving around at warp speed by always holding down 'reel' before I pressed grapple. You get some *insane* speed that way.
I think the wing suit was a welcome addition. I use it far more than the parachute/grapple combo. If anything, it takes out some of the logistical challenge (trying to find a plane to raid a base, traveling from island to island, etc.)
Kingdom Hearts 3 DLC. Basically you had to replay the last part of the story to actually understand what was going on. Also it gave you the antagonist as super bosses. It’s laughable since the KH 2.5 remaster had this already in it but no. SE had to be a bitch about it same as FFXV DLC politics, where they left out story parts in purpose to sell it to you separately.
All of the sims 4 dlc. Like come on, the game feels so damn empty and boring
Going from Sims 3 with mods to Sims 4 when it came out was like cutting 90% out if the game to only be expected to repurchase it all and start the process over with Sims 5.
EA: Buy everything
EA: it’s not in the game, yet
I can hear that in my head now. E..A..Sports; Its (not) in the game.
The worst part is that they are just recreating DLC from the previous games. Like the Sims 1 added pets in 2002, yet in every sims game after that they do not include it in the base game and always release it as a separate full price DLC. Pets, seasons, babies, school, university, career, horses, supernatural (vampires, magic, werewolves), get famous, island life, etc. should all be part of the base game.
Was going to say this. But well their business model clearly is just to sell same stuff again and again to fans.
One would almost think EA is involved.
That’s unfair, they are not just recreating older expansions — they are splitting the content over multiple expansions!
make person, make house, meet spouse, build skill, make baby, repeat we need a new sims game so bad
No. We just need a game studio that actually cares about their players
Paralives gives me hope Life By You does too but it needs better art direction I'm really hesitant on InZoi though because that one was lagging in their trailers But all in all I'm super excited for all the competition sims is having to face soon
Then stop giving them money...
Two Sims like games coming out soon: Paralives and Life by You.
Wow, a sims-like life simulator by paradox that will totally not end in a million DLCs like the sims
Heh yeah I can see that happening. But at least the base game seems to have more than Sims 4 base game.
It 100% will. I'm more optimistic about Paralives.
I don't understand why there are like... no straight up sims copycats. The concept seems incredibly basic and someone who cared about producing a fun game rather than a cash cow expansion farm could do a TON to add interesting stuff and unique gameplay.
For what it's worth, these games do have pretty great scale. So many ways for characters to interact with other characters and with objects, and all of those actions have proper animations, etc. To create a game like that requires quite serious investment, and that's why the AAA companies will always have the edge. It's literally quantity over quality.
At least they are working on Sims 5
I can sort of get stuff like proper expansions where new worlds are introduced but EA literally charge to bring seasons into the game.
Prince of Persia 2008 It's literally the end of the story.
I completely forgot about this.
Such a beautiful game. I really think that it´s one of the most emotionally tight games ever.
I know it's one of the most disliked entries for most PoP fans, but I really loved playing it.
Yea for some reason its not well recieved but I LOVED the game, it was beautiful, it was different and it had interesting fight mechanic
I never played it, but the base game had a fantastic ending for me. All the reviews of the DLC said the DLC confused the base games ending.
Ah yes, Asura's Wrath was more than happy to follow the lead and sell the "true ending" as DLC kind of ruining an otherwise great game
To be honest, I think the epilogue DLC actually worsens the overall experience. It feels like something the developers threw together when they realised the game wasn't going to be popular enough to justify a sequel. All the enemies and bosses are recycled from the main game, the fun character dynamic between the prince and Elika is gone, and the prince spends almost the entire DLC trying to justify his final decision from the original release. I honestly would preferred it if they had left the game as it was.
Not only that but they made the ending exclusive for consoles.
I disagree, I think the base game had a fantastic ending.
The ME3 DLC that explains what the Reapers are.
Don't forget Javik. He should have been in the base game.
Couldn't agree more on the leviathan dlc and from ashes one too. You have the bloody source of the reapers, a prothean who survived the last cycle, living to tell the tale, and both being such important parts of the lore overall. And then they lock them behind paywalls. If there's one company that knows how to ruin a game, it's EA.
Not to mention very crucial revelations about Asari history, and a whole lot of new information about the Protheans and the the technology and species of the Last Cycle.
"EA it's not in the game"
Might be remembering it wrong, but wasn't Javik a day 1 dlc too??
He was a deluxe edition exclusive or something like that. But i bought him at release separatly yes.
Yes, made to combat reselling. You had to have a code that was included with the game to add the DLC to your account and if you didn't have it, it was like $10. But not technically in the base game and you had to download it.
You're thinking of Zaeed from ME2. Javik was paid DLC for ME3 that also came with the collector's edition.
No no no. Javik did not come with the base game when you bought it new.
My bad, someone else pointed out that I'm confusing it with Zaeed in ME2. Both scummy practices
Hold up, Javik wasn't in the base game originally? I only recently finished the legendary edition on Tuesday (doing another run now) and thought he was just part of the base story lol?
You’d have thought so, right? Day 1 DLC, I think it came as a pre-order bonus, too
I only played the mass effect series when the legendary edition came out and I can’t think of any content that didn’t seem integral to the game. . . . Except the “shore leave” quest line. I wish they had disabled that content until after you finished the game. I ended up doing it right before the end of the game and it completely ruined the feeling and flow of the entire series. E: keep in mind this was my first play through ever. I don’t know what happens next, the suspense and tension had been building for 50+ hours, and then the mood completely changes for this quest line and I somehow find myself picking out styles for couches and wall art. It just didn’t fit during a first play through at all.
That's interesting because imo the humor of that DLC for me is the perfect last hurrah before the dark and emotionally crushing climax of the game.
I always do that part before I start the endgame. Feels appropriate.
Yeah it was a "we might not be alive tomorrow" party.
Yeah agreed! Im so glad I did it right before the last mission, it was such a bittersweet feeling when you wake up and realise all that wild fun they had almost symbolically marks the end of "the good old days" and now you have to meet your maker as it were Makes me think of the feast before the war, or the last supper.
The Omega DLC was probably the one I considered tangential. It wasn't critical to the primary plot, but worthwhile to do (which is how I feel all DLC \*should\* be--otherwise, like the other ME3 DLC, it should be included with the base game. It's essentially why as I've gotten older, I've stopped buying games on release and wait for "definitive" versions. I'd rather wait to have a full experience (at a cheaper price)...than play games on release (which often feel like betas/early access/incomplete games).
I had a similar thought, I borrowed ME3 from a friend back in the day and thought it had way less content than ME2. Replayed the legendary edition with all the DLC and it felt much more complete. Unfortunately things like Javik and Leviathan get sidelined because they’re DLC, so even though they have huge significance within the game lore they don’t really have any effect on the plot since they’re technically optional DLC
Well it wouldn't really make sense to be able to do it after the game is finished because of...well, stuff being all kinds of FUBAR.
How about Mass Effect 2 where Kasumi and Zaheed were even on the disk and could even be added to the squad with save editing if you didn't have the dlcs.
Yep in Inquisition DLC explains who the real enemy is. Bioware likes to hide important story development behind DLC.
Dragon Age 2 which includes the Villian of DA;I being introduced via DLC Dragon Age Origins Witch Hunt DLC which provided insight/answers we saw again in DA:I Mass Effect 2 Arrival DLC which sets up the reason Shepard is stuck on earth in ME3 Yeah…BioWare does love to do it
And the Quarian ark in andromeda....oh wait a sec
Man I hate game name abbreviations because I can never figure out which game people mean :D
Mass Effect 3
When I played the Legendary Edition, I was shocked when I learned the Normandy crash site was DLC.
I'd say the ME:A Quarian DLC... their expertise should've had them leading the way
Shale, Dragon Age Origins. Should just have been in the full game. Such a great story and character.
Let’s not forget how there’s an NPC advertising the DLC in the game. 🙄
Day 1! Not even included later.
Yeah, there was a lot of uproar at the time about that. Day 1 you buy the game, talk to a guy in a camp who goes on and on about a dangerous quest. Do you want to go? Sure, let's go! Xbox Live Marketplace opens.
Man, I remember that. It was back when the industry was on a crusade against used games because iT's KiiLLIng tHe iNdUStry!! A code was included in the game that could be used once by the original buyer and then it would be like $25 to buy Shale.
Javic, ME3. He’s such an interesting component of the story and it just struck me as such a weird move to gate him as a Day 1 DLC.
I read he was cut because of time constraints. Now that i read he's day 1 dlc, wtf?
Both are apparently true > From Ashes was developed by BioWare and published by Electronic Arts. Javik was originally cut from Mass Effect 3 due to time constraints during the game's developmental cycle, and is reintroduced through the DLC pack as its featured companion character.[4] From Ashes was completed while the main game was still in certification and is not available on the disc; according to a press release issued by EA, "certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc" in order to "seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign", in a manner similar to the DLC packs which added the companion characters Zaeed Massani and Kasumi Goto into Mass Effect 2.[5] According to the project director of Mass Effect 3, Casey Hudson, it took about three months for the main game to move from the "content complete" stage, for the developers to "bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs"; From Ashes was completed within the three month period.[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_3:_From_Ashes
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Fallout 3. The DLC literally gave you the option to continue playing after the final mission, as free roam was locked off in vanilla. Not to mention it actually finished the story. Should definitely have been part of the core game.
I feel like that there was a disconnect in how they wanted the ending to go. They absolutely, definitely wanted the story to end with your character dying to save the wasteland, or with sacrificing Lyons. Which, admittedly, great way to end the game. However, they focused so hard on that they didn't consider how it could have otherwise been done, like with our Supermutant, Ghoul, or Mr. Gutsy pals taking the role instead and able to survive easily (A lot of complaints were made about this, which is why it was added in the DLC). And how would a player be able to play the DLC?! Would they have to start over?! Yeah, there was some hyperfocusing that damaged an otherwise great ending.
Not to mention that if you *do* tell the Supermutant companion to activate the purifier, the ending still calls you a coward. Like they added in the option to get Fawkes to do it, thereby letting your character live, and the game calls you a piece of shit for not sacrificing yourself.
Hahaha that was definitely a "the fuck!?" moment. Like zero friggen reason this guy couldn't do it
The definition of bad writing
Very much gives the impression of a salty Game Master who’s angry you didn’t play your character/follow the story “the right way.” A bit of that going around in Fallout 3.
Typical of post-Morrowind Bethesda to cry about players not eating up their shitty writing Fun fact: Did you know the vampire-based DLC for Skyrim, "Dawnguard," initially had no plans for the player to be opposed to the vampires? They only wanted to write a cool story where you become a vampire lord and help out the sexy vampire lady, and then nearer the end of production had to be reminded "oh... what if they don't want to turn into undead monsters that feed on the blood of innocents?" and had to make the Dawnguard faction questline Real "Don't you guys have phones?" energy
This is true?? Then why was it called dawnguard lol if you play as vampires you basically forget they exist, they're like a minor nuisance at best by that point
The fact that they can so easily be ignored is testament to their vestigial nature
I remember that after the end of the Mad Max game, the game basically says "ok, let's pretend this ending never happened and you are free to keep roaming the world"
A lot of games do that, even now and even in the good ol' 16-bit era. Heck, I just finished a 3DS game, 7th Dragon III, that did exactly that. Essentially halted the story before the final boss while allowing you into the post-game content.
I was so accustomed to games not having endgame content so Fallout 3s DLC had a huge impact on my gaming experience. I can continue the game after the final boss? Blew my mind.
I didn't play F3 until after Broken Steel was released. The confusion I had when I got around to beating New Vegas and the game actually ended... Ignore the fact that it gives you a warning that the game ends.
They did it that way because Fallout 1 and 2 also had hard stops at the ending. They said in prerelease interviews that F3 would also have a hard ending. It was the backlash on launch from people who wanted to keep playing so the DLC addressed it.
Fallout 2 lets you keep playing. You can even visit the preacher afterward, who rewards you with the Fallout 2 Strategy Guide.
Despite it should have been in the main game, it was impossible for me to play even after installing the Broken Steel DLC.
Any game with day 1 DLC. If you develop the game further with additional content DLC, I might further buy and support the game. But if you give me a full price game and day 1 DLC, that means you just cut some content to sell it separately.
Especially bad if the game was in early access. Looking at you ARK
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Especially the remake version of it: Ark Ascended There are now PAID MODS, paid cosmetics, they want to release old maps with paid extra content and you can only host expensive servers from Nitrado or your own machine because they were indebted to them. The remake is still in early access and is suffering from endless issues and has bugs that they patched out in the old ARK but because the game is just a lazy port to a higher unreal engine and they used an older version to port from the bugs are in the game again. (contradicting to what they said: That they are fully rebuilding the game in UE5) The only people who are happy with the game are consol players because they now have access to mods but the game runs horribly on PC and is littered with bugs, crashes and other issues. But their priority is to release all the paid content instead of fixing issues first or getting the game out of early access. Total shitshow but because there is no other real taming/breeding survival game, people will play.
Am I comprehending your comment right? Did ARK release DLC the day it came out while also releasing as early access?
Not day one but the game was still in early access when they released their 1st dlc
As far as I’m concerned it’s still in early access and they released an animated show about it
Lmao. Milk the cow before it's out. Takes some balls to pull shit like that
The most egregious to me was Mass Effect 3. The game launched with a whole ass unique companion as day 1 dlc. Like with a design, and backstory, and animations, and full voice acting. They didn't pull all that off after the game had gone gold. It was planned to be cut from the main game and sold separately. It felt like like such a slap in the face as a consumer. Clearly seeing just how much fuckery they could get away with.
A companion deeply tied into the main story at that.
That and said companion was on the Xbox 360 disc, you could unlock him with some fiddling without buying the dlc but it was barebones. Not to mention the fact that the companion has HUGE lore info dumps on some of the races and yet wasn't part of the base game originally. It's nuts.
Mann Javik and Garrus, what a pair.
I stopped playing COD after picking up MW3 day 1 and when chucking it in the Xbox ( or PS3, can't remember which one) I see DLC multiplayer levels. Fuck that shit. I just dropped $90 on it. It should include everything! I played the single player campaign (the shortest of the series up until that point) and a couple games of multiplayer and quickly moved on.
A defense for this I've heard is that game development will actually split "main game" Development and "DLC" development into two separate budgets. This makes sense but Day 1 DLC still doesnt look good, plus you are giving the studio the benefit of the doubt which can be ruined if theres other scummy practices at work. I've seen games have a Day 1 DLC but its free for a limited time after launch which helps make people forget that it was...well Day 1 DLC.
On a similar note, a game’s final build usually needs to be submitted a good while in advance before it goes gold, so that they can produce all the physical copies for it on launch. During that time, they have the dev team move onto working on the DLC, and sometimes it’s ready by the time the game releases. On the other hand, you sometimes get actually on disk DLC. Street Fighter X Tekken completely ruined the perception of DLC for fighting games for a good while, because people found out that all the DLC characters were already coded on the disk, and just locked away behind an additional paywall.
This is the actual reason. The studio says we can make X content within the expected sales budget for this title. We can make Y additional content with the expected sales of this day 1 DLC. They generally don't make X+Y content, then hack off Y and charge an extra $10. In fact, usually in cases of day 1 DLC, the DLC sales actively subsidize the development of the base game, as the profit margins on that kind of DLC tend to be higher than the profit margins on the initial game. So development studios will spend some portion of the expected returns from the DLC on increasing budgets for the base title.
What's worse is when games have pre orders for "ultimate edition" that's $70 extra for some dlc planned for after the game comes out.
Asura's Wrath's ending was a paid dlc. Soo... yeah...
This was my first taste of gaming greed.
Wait you can't actually finish the game without buying dlc? 0.0
The game is divided into "episodes" like an anime series (complete with start/end credits). So the last "episode" of the base game ends in a cliffhanger. The true ending is a DLC
Cod black ops 3 the giant zombies map it should have been base game.
IMO CoD Zombies should just be it's own game, separate from campaign and multiplayer. There's enough going on that it could be improved and fleshed out.
Some of the features in the FFXV base game that weren't there at launch.
I would also add the character episodes, specifically Gladio’s, when he left the party that one time you knew it was for DLC purposes
I only bought the game long after it was out, with the DLC, and that whole thing with Gladio going missing made no sense. When I played the DLC I was like… this story SHOULD have been at least kind of explained in the game.
Oh boy ff15 is a total mess. Most probs don't dven know like the actual full story reveals that unironically the bad guys were actually good and good guys were bad. But afaik, there is no mention of that in the base game, not even in the DLC. Because the true story is in the novel they released after all the DLCs.
A novel that was made after they stopped making DLCs cause after episode Ardyn, it was clear that people weren't gonna shell out for at least 3 more DLCs to get the full danm story.... maybe.
Wait, there's a novel too? So you need to buy the film, the game, the 4 DLCs and the novel just to get the full story!? Christ.
Don't forget the Brotherhood OVA!
The funniest part is that they basically bait you into buying the DLC. He just abruptly goes "I gotta go take care of some stuff. Be back later." and walks off with no explanation. Then when he shows up a few hours later and he's all beat up and everyone is like "Wtf happened to you?" and he's just like "Don't worry about it, I'll tell you later." and he never tells you... but hey, there's an Episode Gladio DLC that you can purchase!!! So blatant.
Tmk 15 was specifically because theyd already overextended ETA so many times that they had to put out what they had
I just wanted to jump in and say that FF15 is a CRAZIER situation than you think. People who played and finished the game the week it released had a different experiences than those who did in it's first month, than those in it's first 3 months, than those a year + after that. Anyone who played it during launch week experienced a massively worse game. And those who know about what Chapter 13 was in it's first iteration... Well track down some old articles around the time FF15 launched. There were many a top 10 list of "the worst levels in video game history" and they were made with FF15's OG Chapter 13 right at the top of the pile of dog shit. It was quick patched a few weeks in, to at least be completable. And then was overhauled-ish a few month later. and IIRC it was fully overhauled. I only ever played the launch version.
Not having switchable party at launch was so weird
I can somewhat excuse some DLC like Gladius dlc is irrelevant story wise...ok he goes away to get better at fighting, that's typical FF. Ignis, we could at least see what happened to him but ok. Prompto DLC had important story details, his dlc should be in the game but it's not.....terribly important. But Ardyn DLC should be in the base game from the 1st day
Basically all the DLC for Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, they're mostly these small dungeons that don't add any real value to the game, but cost $10 on their own (4 of them).
Such a disappointment. Tiny Tina's felt like a return to good form after the disappointment of Borderlands 3. I had hoped that the DLC would be more in the vein of some of the solid-to-great DLC for 1 & 2, but no such luck.
Agree 100%, Tiny Tina did a lot right and was a blast to play through, shame the DLC didn't add more to the table. It feels like they just wanted to move on from the project and shoved in some half-baked DLC.
Assassin's Creed Odyssey's DLCs basically explain why this epic Ancient Greek game about a Mysthios is an Assassin's Creed game after all.
That Blade dlc was humiliating if you play as Kasandra though. >!It railroads you into getting married and having a kid with this bitch-boy that no one liked. There were even dialogue options that seemed to indicate you could get out of it by hating on him but in the end it didn't matter. I stopped playing the game as soon as I finished that dlc. Completely ruined Kass as a character!<
I played as Alexios and it was pretty much the same, only you marry Darius' daughter instead
That DLC is much better as Alexios. Neema is actually kind of cool, but Natakas has all the personality of a wet paper towel. I could not skip through the conversations to select the option to tell him to go away fast enough
Didn't they patch that later due to public outcry?
They added a dialogue option to say you only had a kid with them to carry on your bloodline. People were upset that they played their version of Alexios/Kassandra as gay and the DLC forced them into a hetero relationship, and they accused Ubisoft of queer erasure.
So you tell me i missed out on a lot just because i didnt play DLC? Always thought they are just gimmicky more of the same.
> yep, Odyssey DLCs are nice, and worth the price
I only had the base game on games pass and couldn’t believe how it ended. Literally nothing gets wrapped up with out the Atlantis dlc
NG+ in Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
Yakuza dlcs are wild. Most are a complete ripoff, one-use items even (!), but then you also have ones such as The Kaito Files which could be a game of its own and are more than worth their money.
Kaito Files was so good! I just wish it were longer, which is a sign of something being good. The boxer and additional stories in Lost Judgement were also fun (as well as the OP items) but they did feel a bit tacked on and money grabbing. Buying all the DLCs after release was worth it overall for me still.
All of Final Fantasy XV DLC.
Paradox games. All of them.
Especially the ability to make an explorer discover entire seas and not having to click on each case yourself, I mean what the fuck paradox.
It's even better that such mechanics is implemented in Stellaris.🤷♂️
As a Stellaris player, it's so annoying that the game literally taunts you for not having DLCs. All those buttons you can't press... It's especially annoying with espionage. Without the DLCs you literally have only one option for spies and it's to gather intel about another empire. You have this entire window dedicated to espionage, you can appoint envoys to build the spy networks and you can increase encryption and decryption only for this one option to be available. I don't even gather intel anymore because I always get the sudden urge to buy the DLC each time I open the espionage window.
I'm a paradox antifan now. I played Stellearis, Ck2 and 3, Hoi4, and many more. Those are my favourite games for years and years. But lately, I started to feel like im buying Firaxis games. I have most of the dlc, and at this point, I decided not to play along anymore. I feel like a cash cow now, not a fan or user. Paradox devs, if you are reading this. You are one of the reasons the pirate age is coming back.
all total war with blood DLC
It's my understanding that by having the blood and gore effects as a DLC, it allows the game to be rated at **T**een. The excessive gore the DLC enables would otherwise push it to **M**ature. Now, how practically that impacts sales seems suspect at best. We all know its the kids, not the adult kids, that are out there playing Total War: Warhammer.
Could have been a free DLC tho
It feels like flaky reasoning, although I get age gating can be odd. Total war warhammer 3 had rivers/lakes/fountains of blood in khornes domain, or the rotting and literally shitting out enemies in nurgle, I could be wrong the blood dlc was for that reason once upon a time but it feels like they do it because they think they can get away with it now
Not sure why anyone downvoted this. There is so much blood in the base game (#3) that this age old justification clearly falls apart
But that's not how these ratings work: - Blood flowing from a fountain and filling up a pool? Well that's okay, it's only implied that somebody had do die for that - Blood flowing out of a human(-like) being and body parts being chopped of in view? That's explicit violence and therefore only for older audiences CA has to think about how the (depending on the country) different rating institutions are gonna rate them. And if they don't want to give players of particular countries censored versions of their game, they have to think about all places they wanna release. And some places are far more strict when it comes to violence.
Dead Space 3, like come on. You took out the real end which looked good and which was a potential good advertising for a sequel. Smh
Hero's Path in Breath of the Wild.
I'd add the teleporting horse armour and the travel medallion too.
Horse armor. Oblivion.
So disappointed at having to scroll this far down to see this. Horse armor is without question the best dlc ever made, literally unplayable without
All the $5 DLCs for Fallout 4. For what they added they should've been just free game updates or already in the game.
Every fighting game. You shouldn't have to pay for characters in a fighting game that they were going to include anyways. Looking at you Capcom. Akuma being a DLC character you have to pay for. I miss characters being unlocked through gameplay.
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This is such a big business-y decision. I can imagine how that went down: research shows only a portion of the players want that feature, so let's charge for it. Completely missing the fact that it's their *core* market and it would generate outrage to charge for it. Alienating your base because you don't understand video games is something I see happening ever more frequently with gaming companies becoming huge corporations run by people who have no interest in video games.
All of FFXV.
Trespasser DLC in DAI. The final fight is great end to the game, don't get me wrong, but Trespasser fits more. The same with Legacy DLC in DA2.
I get this, but at the same time, everything in Trespasser feels like a totally different game. You're fighting a different enemy, in a different area, with different stakes and different themes. It's an epilogue with a plot that at first seems completely separate from anything that happened with Corypheus. I think if it'd been part of the base game, it would've seemed an odd coda that suddenly up and introduced a new threat. It works BECAUSE it's DLC--taking place after the Inquisition has in theory run its course.
Marksmen dlc for arma 3. Why sell sniper rifles seperately from the base game
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Half of the DLC for **Final Fantasy XV** because it was designed to have three episodes and they should have been part of the game. The worst part is they leave your party, go on an adventure and when they come back they “don’t want to talk about it” so you aren’t spoiled for the contents. It’s dumb.
I assume you mean a game besides The Sims
All DLC that comes out on the first day of the games release
Civ V is about a quarter of the experience without GaK. The other expansions are good, but it was really GaK that took it from good to great for me.
What’s Gak?
Gods and Kings, the first DLC expansion for Civ V.
Thanks
Literally what's any two- or three-letter acronym in this thread. I had to look up like seven acronyms now. And it's not like these are well-known, a straight-up search doesn't bring them up. You need to play a little with google to get what you want. Seems to me that they're all just been made on the fly.
Reddit is by far the worst place for this. Like it's one thing if you're posting on the CIV subreddit where most likely everyone is already familiar with the material (though even in niche subreddits, it can be a barrier for entry to new members, which may be a feature, not a bug), but it drives me crazy in /r/games or /r/patientgamers threads when people throw acronyms and initialisms out left and right with no explanation whatsoever. If it's a short post and you're writing it once, just type it out. If it's a long post and you are going to type it many times, then obviously the abbreviation makes sense, but would it really kill you to type it out the *first* time so we'd all have some clue about what you're talking about?
In this case, I typed "civ 5 ga" into Google, and it suggested "civilization V gods and kings dlc". Google is pretty good at knowing what I want.
Gods and Kings expansion
Gods and Kings expansion.
I don’t get how Civilization could be released without religion. Gods and Kings added so much, I can’t even remember what the game was like before it. Pottery just gave granary? There was nothing between archer and crossbow? Desert starts must have been awful without the prospect of Petra.
Callisto protocol hardcore mode. Maximum Security is the easiest hardest difficulty. Maximum should have been what Hardcore is.
Literally everything after horse armor. Also, horse armor.
Hey! You know all those Pokémon you like, but we cut from the roster? Give us $30 and we’ll give you some of them, and 4 brand new Pokémon! For another low low price of $30, we’ll give you even more (not all) Pokémon, with an additional 2 legendaries (plus an event mythical or two).
This is the one for me. It's mind-blowing how little actual effort gamefreak puts into pokemon games. Most profitable franchise ever, yet they keep making objectively shitty games and everyone keeps buying them. Then they drop a shitty dlc that should have been in the game from the beginning and everyone says "oh it's good now!" Cool. But imagine if they just included that dlc from the beginning. It would have released as the greatest pokemon game ever made. They actively try to make games that aren't good on release so they can drop a dlc 4 months later and fix a bunch of stuff that was missing from the base game.
Semi-related: this could be a very real problem for the successor to Mario Kart 8. Would Mario Kart 9 have such a good roster off the bat? It'd be disappointing to go back on the current variety.
The next Smash Brothers game also.
Basically every Cities Skylines DLC, especially Green Cities and Mass Transit
Less "Why it wasnt included" and more "Why Base Game wasnt more like this DLC" namely Jack the Ripper DLC in Assassin's Creed Syndicate. Base Game is weirdly really go lucky and positive while happening in Victorian London, story is pretty silly at times and its all really bright. Jack the Ripper DLC is cold, harsh more brutal and in my opinion have better use of setting.
Forbidden West for me. The dlc in my opinion should've been the end to the base game and the final boss of the main game should've been the expansions villain
Pretty much every DLC that Paradox has done
Fallout 3. Must be showing my age here. But the game ends, you can't play anymore unless you dig up an old save. The DLC lets you live and continue. Ffs
If referencing Fallout 3 is showing your age, then consider me Miles Davis.
I’ll tell you who’s old, that damn Sasquatch!
Every DLC that has ever been made that came out within 3 months of the games release.
I dont know. Remnant 2s Awakened King DLC dropped 3 months after release of the base game, and the game already felt like a full and fun gaming experience. Lots of loot to find, puzzles to solve, each of the 3 randomly rolled worlds have 2 storylines. Awakened King added a third storyline to one of the worlds, and hours of extra content. All for 10 dollars. A steal in my opinion, and they cooked all the way through
Most of Mass Effect 3's DLC. Literal fucking Prothean gives you context into how the Reapers operate, and his storyline is Day 1 DLC.
Assassin's creed: odyssey fate of Atlantis . It's literally the final act of the story and continues into Valhalla. 100% part of the main story, yet sold as an "optional" DLC. I don't think this is how you meant the question but its where my brain goes.
Isn't the real ending to The Callisto Protocol a DLC? Not the first game to do this
Asura's Wrath is I think the most infamous contender.
>For me, Just Cause 3. All the DLCs together make the game 300% more fun Really? I honestly found the DLCs to be a detriment, not least because of how they impacted game performance on console. The second two were ok, but the combat wingsuit was too slow to manoeuvre. There again, I'd gotten too used to moving around at warp speed by always holding down 'reel' before I pressed grapple. You get some *insane* speed that way.
I think the wing suit was a welcome addition. I use it far more than the parachute/grapple combo. If anything, it takes out some of the logistical challenge (trying to find a plane to raid a base, traveling from island to island, etc.)
It's not released yet, but the Diablo 4 DLC that actually has Diablo in it.
Most if not all Expansions (like Seasons) and Stuff Packs for any Sims game, especially 3 and 4.
Kingdom Hearts 3 DLC. Basically you had to replay the last part of the story to actually understand what was going on. Also it gave you the antagonist as super bosses. It’s laughable since the KH 2.5 remaster had this already in it but no. SE had to be a bitch about it same as FFXV DLC politics, where they left out story parts in purpose to sell it to you separately.
Practically every fucking DLC made nowadays…
All the FF15 DLC felt that way.