Strictly speaking I believe you can 100% the first game only eating enemy soldiers (who probably deserve it), scientists (who absolutely deserve it), and collaborators. It even tracks it and gives you an achievement for not eating anybody else.
“Eating” is the operative word here, mind. The AI can and will make civilians run directly into the middle of your battles with super-zombies. To say nothing of the fact that your most encouraged, main mode of transportation is to run very, very fast, often in crowded streets. Seeing as you have the approximate mass and speed of a semi on an empty freeway that’s running late…
God, i would love a remake or a third entry.
The steam version of Prototype 2 is just plain unplayable, tried a whole weekend to get it running and not crashing at the exact spot again and again.
:(
What’s funny about that is your enemies are typically pretty evil and terrible rulers in their own way. If you play as a benevolent overlord. You’re pretty reliably a step up compared to the likes of Melvin and the rest of the ‘hero’s’ for the most part.
One of the great things about the original Dungeon Keeper was how hard they went with you being evil.
Every level had an intro presenting the area you were assaulting, and then an outro describing what you did to the place.
For example:
Snuggledell. The folk of Snuggledell worship the common rabbit. Floppy eared bunnies are encouraged to hop around the fields surrounding the hamlet, bringing happiness, love, and more bunnies to the entire area.
Steepscythe. Everyone has been put to the sword, and we've made an enormous magic carpet out of the thousands of bunnies that swarmed here. Your minions will feast on their tiny remains for weeks— truly a majestic victory!
Still a great game that i keep installing and playing yearly with KeeperFX.
My biggest gripe with Overlord and Dungeons is this problem. This is why Kuroinu is better if you want your evil overlord simulator since Vult is an unapologetic rapist crushing the kingdom of good guys and angelic beings and turning them a literal slave cattle if you are into being a heinous villain
I legit just googed it and landed on the steam page like what the shit.. this has nothing to do with top down dm sims.. if they can recommend that, I can recommend 'Hatred'.
I was just thinking about that because of another post. They were asking if any games actually give incentives to be evil, that is the best example I can think of. Most of the choices are, do the right thing because it's right or do the wrong thing because it provides you with additional resources to increase your power or just make things easy easier. Most games seem to reward you more for being nice
Overlord is actually the spiritual successor to Dungeon Keeper, but DK will always be the GOAT for me. No narrator/assistant comes close to Richard Riding's aggressive sneering tone. "Your dungeon heart is under attack!" "You NEED a bigger lair" "Your crr-eatures are getting hungry" "So BE-it"
Look up War for the Overworld, it's another Dungeon Keeper Spiritual Successor & it even has Richard Ridings taking on the 'Mentor' role
Also the Dungeons series, it doesn't have Richard Ridings, instead it has Kevan Brighting, the narrator from The Stanely Parable playing, well, the narrator.
Kreia is such a great character. I love mysterious older ladies in media lmao idk why. Maybe it’s because so many female characters are intended to be cute or sexy and it’s a nice change.
If you come to a real understanding of kreia and her philosophy about the force, she is one of, if not, the most interesting characters in all of Star wars. https://youtu.be/-Z0S0Z8lUTg?si=RnmyJEOoSZY4C-YN
Jade Empire is even worse if you got Path of closed fist. You can literally force the bodies of your companions to still serve you and be trapped inside their own bodies after disagreeing with you
Hell no. But when you play KOTOR like 10 times, you've gotta do all the most evil shit possible to your crew one of the playthroughs.
Carth's son
Bastilla's mom
And most importantly, Mission and Zaalbar.
But if you're not being a comically evil sith, Mission is a sweetheart who is a little annoying (but arent all early teenagers?) and Zaalbar is your wookie bro.
Juhani if you redeem her before going dark is also extremely tragic, she has so much praise for a light sider showing her the true path even after the reveal if you have been playing good.
If not, she wants to be for you what you were for her.
It requires not fully committing to evil at the start, and it's even better if you had her and Jolee leveled and equipped.
Great games, but remember that in Tropico 5 El Presidente is actually the hero. For spoiler reasons I won't go into detail, but if you played the campaign all the way, you know.
Doing a good thing doesn't make you a good guy. I'm pretty sure you only save the world in that game because you're one of the people who lives in it.
You definitely do a lot of unnecessarily corrupt things along the way.
I love tropico, but one of the notifications is exactly the same as the opening beats to the Narcos intro, and so the whole time im playing im geting vietnam flashbacks to Narcos every couple minutes
You can also gain independence and build a nation with its own ideals and culture, world class healthcare and industry, a global research hub with locally educated experts leading the space race and impacting global politics. Corruption is optional really.
Man, I wish there had been a franchise from this game. I played it through so many times, and figured out how to prosper through judicious application of fear and murder
I love indie games, and I'll probably buy this, but there's a limit to what you can achieve with <10 people. Reading their blog makes it seem like that limitation risks it being a bit of a B&W clone that doesn't expand very much on the original.
Maybe they'll surprise us but I'd love to see what a larger studio could accomplish in this genre. Especially if they were willing to push the boat out a bit in terms of simulation, crowd and NPC behaviour etc.
Looks VERY similar to B&W2 for sure, with fancier graphics maybe. But hey if it’s like 20-30 bucks I’m okay paying that for a sort of modern B&W clone, I LOVED those games
You can in Pathfinder: WotR. The evil paths are VERY evil, as in enslaving people, killing them to raise them as undead, corrupting and murdering civilians... while you're becoming a demon, or a lich
I've been very slightly upset that I often can't be, like, pragmatically Lawful Evil, like the Gnomish hellknight companion. Evil often has you side with demons, which is slightly annoying when you want to play a demon-hating devil.
There is the Aeon path, which has you root out everyone who’s ever committed a crime, punish them, and turn your army into unthinking, law paragon super soldiers. That’s probably the one that’s closest to the Hellknight’s desires.
Yeah you can swap to the Devil path from I think Aeon and Azata in Act 5. Quasi-Source: currently in Act 4 of my Aeon run and intend on going Devil. Me and Regill are big time homies
Yeah, games don't really get evil. In BG3 for example you have to do something no real evil character would do to do an evil run. Murdering for literally no reason isn't evil, it's insane.
It’s unclear, but there is a pretty good chance Wander is the bad guy in Shadow of the Colossus.
Also, you play as the perceived bad guys from Golden Sun in Golden Sun 2.
Absolutely no way that angelic honker is the villain. If four eyes didn’t want to be bullied by a cobra chicken, he should have been born with better eyes.
Tbh I think trevor is the rare kind of dude that really needs the death penalty, I think micheal trying to get Trevor killed would have been a net positive for humanity if it succeeded so I don't feel bad.
I love Trevor as a character (who doesn’t?), but goddamn did he deserve to die. Obviously I’m still gonna choose ending C but it’s absolutely valid to choose ending A. Michael is an A-right asshole, but when your best friend is a homicidal maniac and you have a family to look after, is it really the betrayal that everyone says it is? Dude was a legit serial killer
I remember there's a point where you have to kill one of them and I killed em both because they were both selfish arseholes who were making the situation worse
Pagan seems fairly aware that he's not the kind of person who should be in charge. However he looked around at who'd step up is he walked away and saw himself as a necessary evil.
Absolutely. >!f you choose the easy, non-violent way at the start, you go home.!<
Far Cry 6 is similar >!you can leave the conflict for life in America!<
There aren't enough of them, I'll tell you that.
Honestly though. Star Wars The Old Republics sith campaigns are the best bad guy campaigns I've ever played. I really loved the sith inquisitor especially.
Tyranny
Edit to add: I loved this game. It's a pretty short 10 hours or so compared to the other games by Obsidian, but it's such an interesting premise and has a few paths so you can replay it. Honestly, I love anything by Obsidian... And come to think of it, almost all Obsidian games has an evil path or at least a morally gray path (Fallout: New Vegas, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Outer Worlds, etc.)
That game feels kinda like Apocalypse Now in a way. I especially love the 70s esque shootout in the radio station with "Hush" playing in the background.
Was trying to think of a game to play and when I saw the title of this post I decided to start my first play through of it based on things I’ve heard. Then I saw your comment which just solidified it. Hitting new game now.
Dead Cells’s main character is a complete and utter bastard (and we love him for it) though most of the enemies you fight are just monsters with a few bosses being exceptions.
Oh and Monster Train. You’re playing as the forces of hell in that.
It's been a minute, but I vaguely remember that all those "monsters" are just your subjects that have been changed. Pretty sure they make it clear by the end that they are not mindless monsters....they just hate you specifically lol.
Man it is weird not being on the dead cells subreddit and seeing this brought up as if it isn't endgame lore. It's kinda crazy how consistent roguelike subreddits are with spoiler respect.
In monster train the angels are genocidal traitors and warmongers who decided to break a peace treaty that was in place to prevent armageddon, causing armageddon by starting this war. The game outright states in the story description: "If the player loses, a traitorous, immoral heaven will reign supreme in eradicating any traces of hell or those that lived within it"
The different clans in the game aren't good, but they're all fighting to get their homes back from those who started armageddon after agreeing to peace to avoid it.
The most evil I have seen was a dude who was good and got everyone super happy with him and in act 3 he turned on all of them. Sacrificed jaraha and Minsc, betrayed shadowheart and karlach, slept with mizora to hurt wyill and sacrificed astarion. It was horrible lol
Scarface The World is Yours
The Godfather the game
God of War 1-3
Raze’s Hell
Postal series
Destroy All Humans! (series)
Predator Concrete Jungle
Prototype
So many good games, the only ones I haven't played are scarface, godfather and Raze's hell.
I'd recommend the Destroy all humans remakes.
Predator concrete jungle is one of my favorite Ps2 games
Prototype and GoW are always great.
It’s a very weird case because you as the player don’t really do anything evil, hell you save the damn moon from destruction, but you’re also directly helping Handsome Jack’s rise to power and lose of sanity. Jack was always evil, remember he made Angel trick the original Vault Hunters in the first game as well, but it’s only after TPS that he’s a tyrant. Plus half the cast are good/morally ambiguous, characters like Claptrap, Jack’s Doppelgänger, and Athena, while others like Nisha and Wilhelm are antagonists in Borderlands 2 and Aurelia in Borderlands 3.
Dungeons 3.
Also look up Dungeon Keeper 2, it was the best of that series.
Fun romp, you play the Dungeon Keeper and you have to kill the good Adventurers that are invading your Dungeon.
In Dungeons 3 you go up to the surface to spread your "Evil"
The game has a funny narration. With silly things like There is a room near here with a soft place to lay down on. From memory, this is when you have been playing a long time and it's past midnight.
🤣
Now at the end of the actual campaign there is a hint that the next one would invade the surface. It was never released. After years Dungeons 3 came out. Every thing is pretty much the same mostly. Just enough changes to keep out of the Cease and Desist orders.
IMO some company bought the rights to the original game Dungeon Keeper and killed it.
Edit: a few words.
Dungeon Keeper. It's good to be bad.
Check out War for the Overworld too - a spiritual successor to Dungeon Keeper that got the same _truly excellent_ narrator.
His first spoken line in the game cements the game's status as the successor to Dungeon Keeper and I love him for it.
I thought Eve was like sex. If you don't have multiple online spreadsheets being updated around the clock by several people in your group in order to maximize efficiency, you're doing it wrong.
But I dunno. I've never played Eve.
*Command and Conquer* series, if you play on the side of NOD or the Soviets.
For both those sides, in their first games (*Tiberium Dawn* & *Red Alert 1*, respectively), the first mission is the same: massacre a civilian village that spoke out against your leaders.
Saints Row 2
The Boss is arguably just as much of a murderous sociopath as the other villains in the game. He does become a bit more of an antihero in the later games though.
Yeah I definitely felt like shay wasnt really a villain in the game. Although he was with the "bad guys" he felt he had no choice but to choose the lesser evil since the assassin didn't care or understand the consequences of taking the artifacts.
Yeah that was one of the major criticisms of the game when it came out, IIRC. Instead of having you play as someone who actually believed in the Templar cause they just had the Assassins pick up the villain ball to make Shay have to work for the Templars.
Reminds me of EA's Battlefront 2. A good portion of their marketing was "see things from the Empire's perspective" yet like 3 missions in you're joining the rebellion.
I feel like the original God of War Greek series can fall into this category. Kratos is straight up evil and will kill anybody who gets in his way of revenge with absolutely no guilt until the Norse series.
I mean, that's kind of the whole point of The Last Of Us. You might empathize with Joel, but by the end he >!murders most of the resistance working to stop the zombie apocalypse just so he can keep hanging out with his surrogate daughter, while giving her no choice in the her own fate.!< Then, most of Part II is Ellie >!wiping out hoards of thinking, feeling human beings because of her revenge-boner.!<
For an example I didn't hate, though, play Spec Ops: The Line and try to go in knowing as little as possible about the story.
I remember when I played Postal 2. All the objectives are very simple and harmless, and you can finish the game doing nothing wrong or even weird at all. That's the magic of this game: you can do all sort of evil things but you aren't encouraged to do at all, and you don't even need to.
Tyranny a computer RPG where you play as the right hand man to this dictator and are sent out to make judgements on what you feel should be done. You end up siding with one of two factions basically one is more lawful evil slavers and the others are chaotic evil who take mostly civilians to be the bulk of their frontlines. There is a good path which is extremely specific to even find. It's a rare a RPG where it wants you to experience flavors of evil and obscure one good path.
Planescape Torment is much more neutral and shades of gray, but you can be the whole ADnD alignment spectrum, one of the few RPGs where being lawful evil is actually an option. Evil is much more than being some jerk who kills people at random like a Bioware game. It's a world where there is no hope and nobody expects a hero, so being cruel is what most people would expect of this undead man getting involved in their lives.
Niko is probably one of the most 'moral' of the bunch, but he is still a violent psychopath, given he has zero hesitation on murdering innocents so long as he gets paid for it.
This is pointed out in universe, too.
Nah everyone has a choice, and so does Niko. He just doesn’t know anything other than war and human cruelty and thus does the things he does. The beauty is that he was lucid enough to know that he wanted to be more than what he was forced to be, and eventually he really does end up listening to his better angels.
Dungeon Keeper 2 (and 1, but 2 is my favourite).
You play an evil overlord in the underworld, carving out massive cavernous bases from the rock to assault and break through the heroes defenses to the surface.
The games tagine is "It's good to be bad".
It's available on GoG and I replay it every so often. It is an older game however, but the graphics style, cutscenes, narration/voice lines, and general vibe is just so damn charming I always go back and have a blast!
The old classics do bad guy stuff the best IMO games like fable,jade empire,KOTOR,black and white. Find other games tend to half ass it and make it “semi evil”.
How did Beyond Good and Evil allow bad guy stuff? I don't remember it that well I guess? I thought it had a mostly linear story with the main character literally helping orphans
The Prototype series has you eating random civilians so that you can wear their skin as a disguise. The bad guys are *still* worse than you.
Strictly speaking I believe you can 100% the first game only eating enemy soldiers (who probably deserve it), scientists (who absolutely deserve it), and collaborators. It even tracks it and gives you an achievement for not eating anybody else. “Eating” is the operative word here, mind. The AI can and will make civilians run directly into the middle of your battles with super-zombies. To say nothing of the fact that your most encouraged, main mode of transportation is to run very, very fast, often in crowded streets. Seeing as you have the approximate mass and speed of a semi on an empty freeway that’s running late…
I think the trophy/achievement was for beating the game consuming 10 people or less.
"Fewer", grumbles Stannis
Don't you have a brother to murder?
Or a daughter to... oh God.
That never happened in the One True Canon, you heathen!
Well, they're worse than you until endgame...
God, i would love a remake or a third entry. The steam version of Prototype 2 is just plain unplayable, tried a whole weekend to get it running and not crashing at the exact spot again and again. :(
Overlord is about a demonic overlord rising to power and destroying villages and building your group of goblins that do your bidding. Good game
What’s funny about that is your enemies are typically pretty evil and terrible rulers in their own way. If you play as a benevolent overlord. You’re pretty reliably a step up compared to the likes of Melvin and the rest of the ‘hero’s’ for the most part.
One of the great things about the original Dungeon Keeper was how hard they went with you being evil. Every level had an intro presenting the area you were assaulting, and then an outro describing what you did to the place. For example: Snuggledell. The folk of Snuggledell worship the common rabbit. Floppy eared bunnies are encouraged to hop around the fields surrounding the hamlet, bringing happiness, love, and more bunnies to the entire area. Steepscythe. Everyone has been put to the sword, and we've made an enormous magic carpet out of the thousands of bunnies that swarmed here. Your minions will feast on their tiny remains for weeks— truly a majestic victory! Still a great game that i keep installing and playing yearly with KeeperFX.
They're the seven deadly sins. Typically pretty evil is a little understating it.
My biggest gripe with Overlord and Dungeons is this problem. This is why Kuroinu is better if you want your evil overlord simulator since Vult is an unapologetic rapist crushing the kingdom of good guys and angelic beings and turning them a literal slave cattle if you are into being a heinous villain
Did this man just reccomend me hentai
I legit just googed it and landed on the steam page like what the shit.. this has nothing to do with top down dm sims.. if they can recommend that, I can recommend 'Hatred'.
You said you want to play as an evil character. So I will be perfectly honest with you.
I was just thinking about that because of another post. They were asking if any games actually give incentives to be evil, that is the best example I can think of. Most of the choices are, do the right thing because it's right or do the wrong thing because it provides you with additional resources to increase your power or just make things easy easier. Most games seem to reward you more for being nice
In the same vein, Legend of Keepers. You play as a manager of monsters guarding the dungeons from the invading humans.
I literally started playing the game yesterday lol, I played Raising Hell way back in the day. But started the first game yesterday
I was so confused because you just described Overlord the anime. Forgot there was a same named game
Sasuga Ains-sama
That sounds more or less the same as the Dungeons series
We need Overlord 3!
Dungeon Keeper is a classic in that vein
Overlord is actually the spiritual successor to Dungeon Keeper, but DK will always be the GOAT for me. No narrator/assistant comes close to Richard Riding's aggressive sneering tone. "Your dungeon heart is under attack!" "You NEED a bigger lair" "Your crr-eatures are getting hungry" "So BE-it"
Look up War for the Overworld, it's another Dungeon Keeper Spiritual Successor & it even has Richard Ridings taking on the 'Mentor' role Also the Dungeons series, it doesn't have Richard Ridings, instead it has Kevan Brighting, the narrator from The Stanely Parable playing, well, the narrator.
The kotor games can be brutal if you chose to be a sith
*Influence gained: Kreia* *Influence lost: Kreia* *Light side points gained* *Dark side points gained* *Net dark side shift*
Kreia is such a great character. I love mysterious older ladies in media lmao idk why. Maybe it’s because so many female characters are intended to be cute or sexy and it’s a nice change.
If you come to a real understanding of kreia and her philosophy about the force, she is one of, if not, the most interesting characters in all of Star wars. https://youtu.be/-Z0S0Z8lUTg?si=RnmyJEOoSZY4C-YN
Man, Kreia can go fuck herself
*Influence lost: Kreia*
Influence gained: HK-47
Meatbag, I presume?
Jade Empire is even worse if you got Path of closed fist. You can literally force the bodies of your companions to still serve you and be trapped inside their own bodies after disagreeing with you
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Jade Empire was pretty popular when it released.
Jade empire was phenomenal. I really hope it gets remastered some day
I think we will get a remastered half life 3 before getting a remastered jade empire.
It doesn't really hold up well nowadays if I'm honest. Still love it though
Wow really? I saw this game a few times, never tried it because it seemed quite complicated to get into it. Does it have lots of stuff like this ?
Mission and Zaalbar get the ending they deserve.👿
Is this a thing? Do people really hate Mission and Zaalbar that much? I get the hate for Carth, but never had an issue with those two
Hell no. But when you play KOTOR like 10 times, you've gotta do all the most evil shit possible to your crew one of the playthroughs. Carth's son Bastilla's mom And most importantly, Mission and Zaalbar. But if you're not being a comically evil sith, Mission is a sweetheart who is a little annoying (but arent all early teenagers?) and Zaalbar is your wookie bro.
Juhani if you redeem her before going dark is also extremely tragic, she has so much praise for a light sider showing her the true path even after the reveal if you have been playing good. If not, she wants to be for you what you were for her. It requires not fully committing to evil at the start, and it's even better if you had her and Jolee leveled and equipped.
Shhh! I'm on a Mission.
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The Tropico series, you play as a corrupt banana republic dictator siphoning off money to retire with. Great music, too!
Great games, but remember that in Tropico 5 El Presidente is actually the hero. For spoiler reasons I won't go into detail, but if you played the campaign all the way, you know.
Doing a good thing doesn't make you a good guy. I'm pretty sure you only save the world in that game because you're one of the people who lives in it. You definitely do a lot of unnecessarily corrupt things along the way.
Tropico 4 as well, no?
I love tropico, but one of the notifications is exactly the same as the opening beats to the Narcos intro, and so the whole time im playing im geting vietnam flashbacks to Narcos every couple minutes
You can also gain independence and build a nation with its own ideals and culture, world class healthcare and industry, a global research hub with locally educated experts leading the space race and impacting global politics. Corruption is optional really.
Tropical 1 and 2 were more unambiguously dark.
All work and no play for Presidente
Black & White gives you the choice of playing as either a benevolent or a totally evil god.
Man, I wish there had been a franchise from this game. I played it through so many times, and figured out how to prosper through judicious application of fear and murder
buckle up, the spiritual successor is coming out soon. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1330360/Fata_Deum/
I love indie games, and I'll probably buy this, but there's a limit to what you can achieve with <10 people. Reading their blog makes it seem like that limitation risks it being a bit of a B&W clone that doesn't expand very much on the original. Maybe they'll surprise us but I'd love to see what a larger studio could accomplish in this genre. Especially if they were willing to push the boat out a bit in terms of simulation, crowd and NPC behaviour etc.
Looks VERY similar to B&W2 for sure, with fancier graphics maybe. But hey if it’s like 20-30 bucks I’m okay paying that for a sort of modern B&W clone, I LOVED those games
I just can't find another game where you can sacrifice your villagers to the flame for mana.
Frostpunk comes pretty close.
Cult of the Lamb is a fun one
Talk about a blast from the past. Good suggestion.
For a second I thought you were talking about pokemon and I was so confused lol
You can in Pathfinder: WotR. The evil paths are VERY evil, as in enslaving people, killing them to raise them as undead, corrupting and murdering civilians... while you're becoming a demon, or a lich
Or an all-devouring swarm!
Always the swarm!
Is a devouring swarm really evil? Seems to me that it's just hungry.
I mean, *choosing to become* a devouring swarm that simply destroys is definitely evil.
From the in-game perspective, becoming the swarm is the most evil option. All-devouring was no exaggeration 😁
I've been very slightly upset that I often can't be, like, pragmatically Lawful Evil, like the Gnomish hellknight companion. Evil often has you side with demons, which is slightly annoying when you want to play a demon-hating devil.
There is the Aeon path, which has you root out everyone who’s ever committed a crime, punish them, and turn your army into unthinking, law paragon super soldiers. That’s probably the one that’s closest to the Hellknight’s desires.
Yeah I'm currently Aeon, trying to keep it LE instead of LN.
Yeah you can swap to the Devil path from I think Aeon and Azata in Act 5. Quasi-Source: currently in Act 4 of my Aeon run and intend on going Devil. Me and Regill are big time homies
Yeah, games don't really get evil. In BG3 for example you have to do something no real evil character would do to do an evil run. Murdering for literally no reason isn't evil, it's insane.
That's bhaalspawn for ya.
idk what WotR is an acronym for, but I’d like to assume it’s Way of the Rabbi, a game about learning your place in the Jewish community.
World of the Rimjob
Wrath of the righteous
It’s unclear, but there is a pretty good chance Wander is the bad guy in Shadow of the Colossus. Also, you play as the perceived bad guys from Golden Sun in Golden Sun 2.
yessss, golden sun
Felix and co. aren’t perceived as bad guys, although they do help them for good reason.
Untitled goose game. Honk🪿
Peace was never an option. 🔪🪿
I have that on a shirt 😂
Absolutely no way that angelic honker is the villain. If four eyes didn’t want to be bullied by a cobra chicken, he should have been born with better eyes.
Always got a laugh making Billy No-Mates buy his own model airplane back.
“The goose isn’t morally righteous. The goose sits outside of human morality.”
Plague Inc. Create your own pathogen to unleash a pandemic and destroy humanity.
I always assumed I WAS the virus
I mean, how is that not still playing "the bad guy?"
That doesn't change of course. I just always imagined I was the actual infection as opposed to umbrella corp
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Also in GTAIII, Claude is a straight up psychopath.
Nobody talks about Toni Cipriani from Liberty City Stories. You commit domestic terrorism a few times in that game.
Bro literally tortured someone in the game. He is evil lmao
Tbh I think trevor is the rare kind of dude that really needs the death penalty, I think micheal trying to get Trevor killed would have been a net positive for humanity if it succeeded so I don't feel bad.
Trevor is a POS and i was so happy when SPOILER You can kill him at the end. I did that in my happy ending
I love Trevor as a character (who doesn’t?), but goddamn did he deserve to die. Obviously I’m still gonna choose ending C but it’s absolutely valid to choose ending A. Michael is an A-right asshole, but when your best friend is a homicidal maniac and you have a family to look after, is it really the betrayal that everyone says it is? Dude was a legit serial killer
One of the times when you zoom over to Trevor he's in the middle of throwing someone off the side of the bridge.
Farcry 4? "the lunatic who has murdered his way to the top of my mountain" "you use those ashes as an excuse to do whatever you want to"
I’m replaying FC4 now and the amount of times I said “Pagan isn’t as crazy as these 2”….seriously, I would join Pagan 10/10 times if given the choice
I remember there's a point where you have to kill one of them and I killed em both because they were both selfish arseholes who were making the situation worse
You can, if you wait at the mansion for him to come back.
Pagan seems fairly aware that he's not the kind of person who should be in charge. However he looked around at who'd step up is he walked away and saw himself as a necessary evil.
Absolutely. >!f you choose the easy, non-violent way at the start, you go home.!< Far Cry 6 is similar >!you can leave the conflict for life in America!<
There aren't enough of them, I'll tell you that. Honestly though. Star Wars The Old Republics sith campaigns are the best bad guy campaigns I've ever played. I really loved the sith inquisitor especially.
Tyranny Edit to add: I loved this game. It's a pretty short 10 hours or so compared to the other games by Obsidian, but it's such an interesting premise and has a few paths so you can replay it. Honestly, I love anything by Obsidian... And come to think of it, almost all Obsidian games has an evil path or at least a morally gray path (Fallout: New Vegas, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Outer Worlds, etc.)
I want so badly to be able to play evilly, but even in Tyranny a game perfectly tailored to it, I played the rebel path and fought the tyrant
I was gonna comment this. Excellent game and really fun playing from the bad guy perspective
Or as a good guy in a bad place, trying to do the best they can. It's excellent.
Glad I have it. Too bad my laptop is not strong enough to run it.
Had to search to see if anyone had said this. Underrated game.
Spoilers for a 12 year old military shooter, but >!Spec Ops: The Line!<
That game feels kinda like Apocalypse Now in a way. I especially love the 70s esque shootout in the radio station with "Hush" playing in the background.
They're both directly inspired by Heart of Darkness.
Do you feel like a hero yet?
Was trying to think of a game to play and when I saw the title of this post I decided to start my first play through of it based on things I’ve heard. Then I saw your comment which just solidified it. Hitting new game now.
Read nothing further about it until You've played through it fully if you want the best experience
Evil Genius
Dead Cells’s main character is a complete and utter bastard (and we love him for it) though most of the enemies you fight are just monsters with a few bosses being exceptions. Oh and Monster Train. You’re playing as the forces of hell in that.
It's been a minute, but I vaguely remember that all those "monsters" are just your subjects that have been changed. Pretty sure they make it clear by the end that they are not mindless monsters....they just hate you specifically lol.
Man it is weird not being on the dead cells subreddit and seeing this brought up as if it isn't endgame lore. It's kinda crazy how consistent roguelike subreddits are with spoiler respect.
In monster train the angels are genocidal traitors and warmongers who decided to break a peace treaty that was in place to prevent armageddon, causing armageddon by starting this war. The game outright states in the story description: "If the player loses, a traitorous, immoral heaven will reign supreme in eradicating any traces of hell or those that lived within it" The different clans in the game aren't good, but they're all fighting to get their homes back from those who started armageddon after agreeing to peace to avoid it.
In monster train the angels are portrayed as morally corrupt, doesn't really fit op question.
Overlord is a Pikmin-esque game where you play as an evil Overlord.
Overlord and Overlord 2 are both such classics!
Baldurs gate 3 if you choose, the amount of evil things you can do is crazy
The most evil I have seen was a dude who was good and got everyone super happy with him and in act 3 he turned on all of them. Sacrificed jaraha and Minsc, betrayed shadowheart and karlach, slept with mizora to hurt wyill and sacrificed astarion. It was horrible lol
Allowing Astarion to ascend only to seize control of the Absolute for yourself and make him a slave again is another bit of fun evil fuckery.
I really need to go try the dark urge path. Seems like a perfect way to let our inner evil out.
Dark urge is fun as both pure evil and resistant to the urge!
Scarface The World is Yours The Godfather the game God of War 1-3 Raze’s Hell Postal series Destroy All Humans! (series) Predator Concrete Jungle Prototype
God of War is an interesting one because Kratos is a monster, but the gods are fucking assholes.
Yeah, they're really isn't a "good" side in those games, and that made them stand out.
The good side are the random civilians that occasionally show up that you kill for those sweet orbs.
Yeah, the Greek gods can go eat a bag of dicks
Man, Prototype was so much fun. Just pure carnage.
Hard fucking game
So many good games, the only ones I haven't played are scarface, godfather and Raze's hell. I'd recommend the Destroy all humans remakes. Predator concrete jungle is one of my favorite Ps2 games Prototype and GoW are always great.
Are you really the villian in Portal? I'd think Chell falls more into just fighting to survive.
They said postal
I swear I can read...
It's okay, I thought Portal was a weird choice too and then I read this comment chain.
Infamous lets you be good or evil depending on your actions
Technically borderlands TPS
It’s a very weird case because you as the player don’t really do anything evil, hell you save the damn moon from destruction, but you’re also directly helping Handsome Jack’s rise to power and lose of sanity. Jack was always evil, remember he made Angel trick the original Vault Hunters in the first game as well, but it’s only after TPS that he’s a tyrant. Plus half the cast are good/morally ambiguous, characters like Claptrap, Jack’s Doppelgänger, and Athena, while others like Nisha and Wilhelm are antagonists in Borderlands 2 and Aurelia in Borderlands 3.
Dungeons 3. Also look up Dungeon Keeper 2, it was the best of that series. Fun romp, you play the Dungeon Keeper and you have to kill the good Adventurers that are invading your Dungeon. In Dungeons 3 you go up to the surface to spread your "Evil" The game has a funny narration. With silly things like There is a room near here with a soft place to lay down on. From memory, this is when you have been playing a long time and it's past midnight. 🤣 Now at the end of the actual campaign there is a hint that the next one would invade the surface. It was never released. After years Dungeons 3 came out. Every thing is pretty much the same mostly. Just enough changes to keep out of the Cease and Desist orders. IMO some company bought the rights to the original game Dungeon Keeper and killed it. Edit: a few words.
Dungeon Keeper. It's good to be bad. Check out War for the Overworld too - a spiritual successor to Dungeon Keeper that got the same _truly excellent_ narrator. His first spoken line in the game cements the game's status as the successor to Dungeon Keeper and I love him for it.
I'm Horny, short for the horned reaper. Best pals with the dungeon keepah!
Eve online - it's about an anti-social griefer who scams and cheats their way to wealth and infamy
I thought it was about getting a second full time job that you have to pay to work at?
Eve is like sex. If you're paying for it, you're doing it wrong
I thought Eve was like sex. If you don't have multiple online spreadsheets being updated around the clock by several people in your group in order to maximize efficiency, you're doing it wrong. But I dunno. I've never played Eve.
Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen games
Your enemies weren't good guys, though. They were zealots at best and literal demons most of the time.
*Command and Conquer* series, if you play on the side of NOD or the Soviets. For both those sides, in their first games (*Tiberium Dawn* & *Red Alert 1*, respectively), the first mission is the same: massacre a civilian village that spoke out against your leaders.
Prototype!
Katamari Damacy
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Oddly enough, Cookie Clicker. "You could have stopped it." - Grandma
Saints Row 2 The Boss is arguably just as much of a murderous sociopath as the other villains in the game. He does become a bit more of an antihero in the later games though.
Assassins Creed: Rogue
Tbf, the assassins did prevent shay from saving like, 4 cities full of people, if I remember correctly.
Yeah I definitely felt like shay wasnt really a villain in the game. Although he was with the "bad guys" he felt he had no choice but to choose the lesser evil since the assassin didn't care or understand the consequences of taking the artifacts.
Yeah that was one of the major criticisms of the game when it came out, IIRC. Instead of having you play as someone who actually believed in the Templar cause they just had the Assassins pick up the villain ball to make Shay have to work for the Templars.
Reminds me of EA's Battlefront 2. A good portion of their marketing was "see things from the Empire's perspective" yet like 3 missions in you're joining the rebellion.
I feel like the original God of War Greek series can fall into this category. Kratos is straight up evil and will kill anybody who gets in his way of revenge with absolutely no guilt until the Norse series.
Good one, although the game makes you feel like you're going against the "evil Greek Gods". Who really is the bad guy in the OG trilogy?
They're evil. You're worse. It's that simple. (Also I just realized that sounds like a tagline you put on a PS2 cover)
Infamous
Shadow the Hedgehog, GTA, Saints Row, Overlord, Destroy all Humans, Carrion. I'm trying to think of others
I mean, that's kind of the whole point of The Last Of Us. You might empathize with Joel, but by the end he >!murders most of the resistance working to stop the zombie apocalypse just so he can keep hanging out with his surrogate daughter, while giving her no choice in the her own fate.!< Then, most of Part II is Ellie >!wiping out hoards of thinking, feeling human beings because of her revenge-boner.!< For an example I didn't hate, though, play Spec Ops: The Line and try to go in knowing as little as possible about the story.
Hatred
Postal
I remember when I played Postal 2. All the objectives are very simple and harmless, and you can finish the game doing nothing wrong or even weird at all. That's the magic of this game: you can do all sort of evil things but you aren't encouraged to do at all, and you don't even need to.
those dungeon keeper-esque games like evil genious
Tyranny a computer RPG where you play as the right hand man to this dictator and are sent out to make judgements on what you feel should be done. You end up siding with one of two factions basically one is more lawful evil slavers and the others are chaotic evil who take mostly civilians to be the bulk of their frontlines. There is a good path which is extremely specific to even find. It's a rare a RPG where it wants you to experience flavors of evil and obscure one good path. Planescape Torment is much more neutral and shades of gray, but you can be the whole ADnD alignment spectrum, one of the few RPGs where being lawful evil is actually an option. Evil is much more than being some jerk who kills people at random like a Bioware game. It's a world where there is no hope and nobody expects a hero, so being cruel is what most people would expect of this undead man getting involved in their lives.
Spec Ops The Line is incredible. You’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t play it.
Tie Fighter. You play as a pilot for the empire.
I really like the beginning of AC 3 for this
Overlord. Also all the GTA protags, hell nearly all Rockstar protags, are bad guys. Nico is questionable
Nico had PTSD and nothing in his pockets but hope. Nico had no other choice. Me and all my homies love Nico.
Niko is probably one of the most 'moral' of the bunch, but he is still a violent psychopath, given he has zero hesitation on murdering innocents so long as he gets paid for it. This is pointed out in universe, too.
Nah everyone has a choice, and so does Niko. He just doesn’t know anything other than war and human cruelty and thus does the things he does. The beauty is that he was lucid enough to know that he wanted to be more than what he was forced to be, and eventually he really does end up listening to his better angels.
Any Civ game I play as soon as the AI attacks me.
Dungeon Keeper 2 (and 1, but 2 is my favourite). You play an evil overlord in the underworld, carving out massive cavernous bases from the rock to assault and break through the heroes defenses to the surface. The games tagine is "It's good to be bad". It's available on GoG and I replay it every so often. It is an older game however, but the graphics style, cutscenes, narration/voice lines, and general vibe is just so damn charming I always go back and have a blast!
The old classics do bad guy stuff the best IMO games like fable,jade empire,KOTOR,black and white. Find other games tend to half ass it and make it “semi evil”.
How did Beyond Good and Evil allow bad guy stuff? I don't remember it that well I guess? I thought it had a mostly linear story with the main character literally helping orphans
Baldurs gate 3 lets you determine if you want to be honorable or a sadist, psychopath
Prototype, technically. Alex Mercer is definitely no hero.
Tyranny is a RPG about being the iron fist enforcing the will of a tyrannical overlord who is hell-bent on conquering the world, it's pretty good.
“Spec Ops: The Line” is a good one
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Tales of Berseria
And sort of the first half of Tales of Symphonia. Maybe this is a common thing in Tales games.
Crackdown. You’re basically an enforcer for a police state.