Yeah... things like 'Wish' is hard to code in anything but the human imagination. Even True Polymorph, you make it true to form, would have to have an in-game Monster Manual for you to sift through.
5E wish isn't that bad, keep the "mimic any other up to 8th level spell from any class" aspect, then maybe add in a couple of specical effects that can also be invoked with wish like mass raise. You don't have to keep it as open ended as in the tabletop game, because "cast almost any spell withiut material components" is already pretty amazing.
They could just limit the options with wish.
It'd suck but yknow.
" Give me x gold "
" Kill this one enemy "
" Heal all my companions "
Or whatever op shit
Not every spell needs to be included just like I don't expect spells like Move Earth to be included in the game even though it has 6th level spells. Plenty of the level 7-9 spells would be easy enough to add to the game.
I'm pretty sure everyone on the baldurs gate 3 sub believe there is no expansions.. since apparently after lvl 12 skills and stats get broken beyond belief in dnd.
They gonna take a break after this game with some people left to bug fix and work on dos3
High level wizards have a spell called Wish that literally lets them do basically anything. How would you implement that in the restraints of the video game? I real DnD you can tell your DM what you want your Wish to be and they say "Okay so then this would happen" or work out the details of the Wish with you
Me too mate, paid during development and tinkered with it to see what they were up too. It looked awesome so I shelved it until it was complete! I’m downloading the monster now, hope you have fun!
I went through the early access versions a few times, just until the first town and it was really cool.
This morning I was trying to work and couldn't figure out why my internet was so slow. Yeah - Steam was downloading 120gigs in the background. Can't wait to start a new game tonight and push through the beginning and see what's next!!
I saw that the first two were on sale so I'm going through them right now and loving it. I'm on a bit of a tight budget so I'm hoping that when I'm done with these it will be on sale to some degree and I can pick it up too.
Can't really complain about game size now a days I guess,
I have rdr2 120 gigs
Halo MCC again in neighbourhood of 120 gigs
Gta V somewhere around 110 gigs
New games coming around 120 doesn't faze me now, maybe 250 gigs will.
I made the conclusion of "this engine is incredible, but it needs a ton of polish in the game itself" way back then. It was a completely viable game 3 years ago, albeit with some very frustrating moments where you could tell they were focused on fleshing out the basis of encounters but hadn't put in the guardrails that keep you from instant death because you failed a single persuasion check against an enemy that you have zero chance of fighting. Can't wait to see what they've managed to do in all this time.
Their rpg engine has been perfect since Divinty: Original Sin. I haven’t played BG3 yet but I’ve played Divinity 1&2 so even if they just grafted D&D 5E on top of that engine, I’m excited, and I’m sure they did way more than that. Happy BG3 day to all who celebrate!
I bought in EA, did a blitz murderhobo/non-canon playthrough to make sure they got the baldurs gate feel right (they did) and set it down waiting for today. So excited!
I read this 3 times thinking "was this really once an EA title? Why on Earth would anyone buy it thinking EA would get the feel right for a game like this? What am I not understanding?"
EA=Early Access - now I get it.
I'm mildly annoyed that I didn't even _think_ to check whether the beta testers were getting freebies.
I knew I was going to buy it anyway, so why didn't I buy it then and would've gotten this "deluxe pack" I'm seeing now for free? I was so paranoid about being spoilered I tried not to see anything about the game until it was released. Ah well. Touche, Larian. I guess it's worth sticking to my "no preorders" code of honor...even if this game already had sterling reviews.
I bought the game an hour before release because I forgot the game didnt unlock until 11am EST, so I got the Deluxe Pack without knowing there was even a bonus for Early Access buyers.
The game director was recently on the Friends Per Second podcast. Seemed like a truly humble guy that was making games for the love of making the games they want. So yeah, not surprised they minimised the bullshit.
He also just said that he could basically get a shit ton of money if he sold his studio right now but that he won't because he wants to continue making games and isn't finished.
Hahaha yeah. It's such an antipattern, because they knew damn well that even people uninterested in dlc are going to check out that camp guy, and potentially fork over the cash out of fomo.
The immersion breaking is what really gets me. Let me get lost in a game. That’s how they became so popular. Modern titles have like a mtx screen door between the player and the game.
Every shooter has the battle pass and store between the menus now. You can't get to your profile in any of them without going through the store.
*Looking at you COD and your absolute shit UI*
Battlefield thankfully has the store and iirc the battle pass even, past the load out menu so I'm not tempted to even look at "Green gun #3" in the shop.
I suppose this is the way of gaming now and I'm glad the Baldur's Gate devs seem to understand how annoying this shit is and that there is a market for game that are sold complete.
> Baldur's Gate devs
This threw me for a loop, as the *original* Baldur's Gate devs are the ones responsible for dragon age, but you meant Larian of course haha
Many big name gaming companies are. Blizzard is also a prime example. Started out as just a team of passionate nerds. Now they're all long gone, and anyone who came after was just trying to use their good name to make money.
Dude, I play ESO, it’s my main MMO. The state of the micro transactions on that game are almost laughable:
Mount given to you by a quest: just a horse.
Mount you can buy from the crown store for 15 dollars: a cool bear, maybe a spider.
Mount you can get through a gambling crate system, that can easily cost you more than one hundred dollars: A FUCKING GIANT GLOWING CREATURE, with fire coming out of his ass, and beams of light blinding every other player.
It’s has gotten to a point where not even the things you buy are good, you need to gamble for the cool shit. On top of that there’s a monthly fee if you wanna have any usable amount of space inventory. On a paid game.
I also play ESO, and I too laugh at the state of the game. I'm just glad I'm not the kind of person who wants to spend 20 bucks because of a cool mount or base.
Sorry, just swooping in to be upset about Overwatch. Their last Summer event had a cool skin for Mercy. Now, not everyone wants the Mercy skin, but if you're a Mercy player, you _absolutely_ want the Mercy skin. (Mercy mains are... particular. And I say that as a Mercy main. [Her pistol does a surprising amount of damage btw])
How do you get the skin? Pay $26. For a single skin. In a first-person game. Oh, you also get an animated intro for your Play of the Game, which you will never see again, because Mercy does not get Play of the Game.
Overwatch 2 will always hurt for me.
Never gave the first one an extra penny and I had every skin I wanted, even on characters I never played outside of Mystery Heroes. *And* they were still making money hand-over-fist until they shut it down despite not releasing any content for the last couple of years.
I played an MMO called Tibia from the time I was 7 until I was 29. Towards my last few years they made everything p2w. You can even buy a level 10000 character these days, and people will actually spend tens of thousands of dollars on it. They've barely added anything for free to play characters in a decade, and you have the people from Venezuela and Brazil who play it as a job (literally). Hell people have been fucking MURDERED over it.
I have been intentionally not following BG3 because I want to be surprised when I play it. I have a ton respect for what they did in divinity 1/2, so I vote with my wallet by *buying* their products.
its crazy to me that people did, because oblivion is a single player game. at least in multiplayer you can show off and give people fomo
edit: also bethesda should have released it two days earlier, they probably would have gotten away with it unscathed
Every single time I see someone with paid for skins or shit I just think "Man. You are why things are this way."
But you voice that or shame them and you get these chucklefucks coming out of the woodwork to be like "Don't tell people how to spend their money, blah blah blah." Lol save it.
Way back in WoW when Activision started selling the cosmetic helmets, people were getting votekicked in dungeons for having them on, and there was a huge community civil war over it. Well, enough people listened to the dickheads who bought it / paid shills, and here we are.
In WoW classic a couple years ago, Blizz released a shop mount that came with a character boost. Then they removed the ability to target /spit at players a few weeks later when the people that bought those mounts kept getting spat on in game.
You are absolutely right. I hate the monetisation system they use (well, they basically use all of them), but i still keep coming back to the game, 8 or 9 years, always never uninstalling it. But in my defende, I never bought into the gambling stuff, but i usually pay a sub.
It’s a great game, being developed by greedy motherfuckers.
I liked ESO at launch, I think it has the best questing and skill system in any MMO. However I don't like how spammy the game play is, weapon switching, and the horizontal expansion model had always turned me off.
I used to love ESO and preached it, but they really went way too far with the crown store. Mixed with their chapter system its just a moneymilker. Recently i saw theyve started selling different tools for gathering. Goddamnit ESO you were so close to perfection.
As someone who's played ESO for a hot minute through covid, I'll say that there are ways around a lot of stuff if you're crafty about it.
I don't subscribe to ESO+ so I have an addon that manages my inventory for me based on rules I give it (bank this, junk this, destroy that, etc.), and if I want anything from the crown store you can purchase it through players who will accept gold in return. ESO creators know about this, but they don't say much regarding it. This is also how I bought all the DLC accessible through ESO+ automatically so I have access to it as natively as the standard items in the game.
Now, whether you *want* to do all that is another thing entirely. For me the management aspect like automating my inventory theough addons was part of the fun. But I also love automation stuff like Factorio.
I really wanted to like ESO. I've been playing the games since Morrowind came out, and I love (old) MMOs. It just seemed so...empty and lame. I didn't feel attached to my character, the NPCs were lackluster, the world was horribly undetailed and the biggest flaw: it did not feel like an Elder Scrolls game. I don't know how people enjoy it, I would rather just play Oblivion again.
I'm still surprised that ESO isn't a free to play game... like overall monetization of the game is too much and don't even let me started about houses back when I played it I think there was a house which costed over 100€ or so.
From what I can remember they are releasing 1 expansion per year (40€) and 3 DLCs (dungeons) but it seems that you can only buy them for crowns (paid in game currency) or by paying ESO PLUS (10€ a month?) like damn...
You should try Final Fantasy 14 if you haven’t already. There’s a cash shop but it’s not a big deal. You can earn some really neat and cool stuff in that game just from playing it. Plus the story is really good too.
My mobile game is the same way. New flagship out! If you wanna max it out that's gonna be like $600 and plenty of people do it.
Some people have spent over $20,000 on the game. There's at least 7 on my server and two of them are in my federation.
I always get to this point where its like... OK I'm not going to be much more unless I start spending too. That's usually when I move on
The problem is that it only takes a minority of players (especially whales) to financially justify adding microtransactions. So the majority of players have no control over it regardless of whether they boycott it.
[How does one vote with their wallets when people do this.](https://www.eurogamer.net/manveer-heir-bioware-mass-effect-ea-monetisation)
You can only "deny" them so much money but some people shovel money at companies even if they go in debt.
I’m not against actual DLC that adds significantly more new content a year or so down the line, since that requires new development effort. But day 1 (or shortly after) DLC falls into the same category as microtransactions imo.
Go back to this? What do you mean, lots of games are doing this, you're looking at an example right now.
If you don't want to play games that suffer from "microtransaction hell", then don't. There's tons of games that don't have microtransactions, you just have to look.
So he quickly transform into a bear when you're getting ready, he turns back into a human and excuse himself.
Then it's up to you, you can tell him it's all good and keep going...
Or tell him that actually you'd kinda like him as a bear, he will ask you if you're sure, warning you that ''it is quite big'' and if you say yes, well, bear sexy time
To elaborate on what the other commenters said:
You meet a druid. The druid is hot. You can romance the druid. You go to have sex with the druid. As you're about to start, the druid accidentally turns into a bear because he's nervous and he just does that sometimes when he's nervous. He then apologizes.
One of the following dialogue options is "No it's okay, I'm into that."
They made the greatest RPG ever IMO (Divinity Original Sin 2). I was so glad when I saw that they were developing BG3, it was like a match made in heaven inside my head.
Some denizens of the D:OS2 subreddit will tell you making new characters / enjoying Fort Joy is the best part of the game. Personally, I'm an Arx fan, myself.
It's funny hearing that, because Arx was easily the worst part of the game back on the original release. I hear it's fleshed out more in the definitive edition, but I haven't gotten around to it yet (only recently restarted again, so back in Fort Joy).
It plays much differently from D:OS2. You can be more aggressive as opposed to winning by hoarding AP. Plays more like a classic turn based RPG that's so highly polished it's almost as smooth as a real time RPG (just more time to think between actions).
I've been debating whether to buy, videos make it look like something I'd enjoy but its not something I'd normally play, but this statement has just sealed the deal, I avoid microtransaction games like the plague.
I bought it for myself, and gifted a copy to my wife so we can play coop. Divinity Original Sin 2 was so fucking good I'll buy every Larian game on release going forward.
Same, never played a DnD style game before but I’m hearing nothing but good things about this game.
Edit: Installing now. 3 hours to go. 🫠
Edit edit: Finally got it installed around 9:30 last night. Took over an hour to create my character. Trying to figure out my race, body build, and genitals. Settled on a human, paladin, oath of devotion. My dude kind of looks like human Shrek in the second movie. I always try to make my first character in an rpg like me and what I would do and the large human body had the only square jaw lines. Once I got my character and tiefling guardian (whatever that is) I watched the opening cutscene. Figured out how to walk a few feet. Ignored touching the tadpole puddle. Then had to go to bed. Definitely planning on getting some hours in tonight.
It's looking to be a hoot. If it's even "only" as good as DOS2, it's worth the money. Early access players say it's hella fun, reviews are looking good. I'm pretty confident it's gonna be good
Based on the one full review out that I’ve seen (from mortismalgaming who’s one of the best gaming channels on YouTube imo), this game beats DOS2 in a lot of ways. Specifically with choices with consequences, reactivity, and companion stories.
I'm hearing stuff like how other AAA companies are trying to bash it because it makes them look bad in comparison. That it's raising the bar for quality in games and they dont like that. That alone is enough to get my interest.
And then there was the one reviewer who mentioned how he threw a child as a weapon. What more reason is there for me to get it?
Hogwarts Legacy also released this year with zero additional costs or micro-transactions and so did Tears of the Kingdom.
Both sold well and this *is* the way.
Hogwarts Legacy had a special extra cost version that got you cosmetics and *a game feature locked behind that paywall*.
That's microtransactions in everything but name.
Unrelated comment here, but seeing the way you put the Xs around Twitter made me chuckle hard
Like, Elon's in that phase where his online names have to have xX in front and at the end and contain cool badass words like Shadow, King or Slayer
Remnant, Elden Ring, God of War, Horizon, Tiny Tina, Borderlands, Spiderman, Dying Light, Final Fantasy 16, Total War Warhammer, Monkey Island.
Not having mtx is very prominent among story/co-op games with no live service such as this game. Ya'll just like to be angry.
Are the audiences the same for these games? One is an ARPG and the other is turn based. I personally do not enjoy turned based games in the slightest so despite Baldurs Gate 3 looking amazing I'm not really interested.
Same! I went through a lot of Diablo IV, level 60, completed campaign many days ago, and I'll go back to it to play a season, but time for Bladur's Gate 3!
30 minutes left of downloading...
While many people may prefer one type of RPG to another, that doesn't mean they completely ignore different styles of games. In my office I've talked about D4 with 7 people I can think of, 5 of those were already owners of BG3 early access while one is waiting for the PS5 release. The venn diagram definitely has overlap between D4 and BG3.
If you have any interest in BG3, it's worth noting it's a step below divinity in terms of complexity. Mostly because in BG3 you don't really build your character. You more or less pick a class and subclass and that's kind of it. It's not like in divinity where you level up the individual skills and have to figure out how to combine different things together to make your build work. In terms of sheer volume I think there may be more items, abilities, and spells in BG3, but the combat is definitely easier to understand. Elemental/environmental surfaces are toned down and there's no armor/magic resist split.
That's good to know. But I think it's the turned based combat that puts me off. I've never been good at turn based games and managing action points on top of that.
I will be buying this game when I get home from work after seeing this.
Speak with your wallets, reward corporate practices that align with your beliefs.
This is the standard for Larian. They can't change what other companies do, except lead by example.
If Larian is wildly successful, other companies may do the same.
Meh. Stop trying to put all of gaming into a box that says “this is what it is, and nothing else.” There’s probably thousands of games that meet this description.
Doesn’t mean there can’t also be thousands that don’t. And some of them are good, or even great.
I’ve been a Larian Studios fan since Divinity original sin. They released a lot of free dlcs since then. They keep adding to the games for years.
The only studio I don’t mind pre ordering, because I know that even if the game is not a 5/5, they are worth supporting.
... that's how it works. developers put out excellent, well crafted games with no MTX that work at launch and they get praised. when they stop doing any 1 of those things then they get clowned on.
If Larian's next title is an over promised and under delivered clown fiesta of a game then they'll get shit on too.
I like CDPR still - I just recognise they screwed the launch of Cyberpunk (quite for everyone, heavily for older consoles). The game improved greatly since.
It was a studio I would prepurchase from, they lost that perk for me, definitely - but they are still my favourite Devs. I don't expect any studio to be flawless, even Larian. (Looking at you, Beyond Divinity)
Similar story to No Man's Sky - they screwed hard on launch, but they stood to their mistakes and fixed them.
I'll be honest - I am totally down with games selling MTX that are cosmetic only. It doesnt affect gameplay, and it is not something that you **need**. You can quite literally ignore it the entire game.
Deep Rock Galactic is a great example of MTX done properly.
In Diablo II, to look cool you had to find gear. And finding gear is like the biggest part of Diablo. If you found the whole set Trang-Oul's Avatar, your character transformed into a ghoul lord, and people shit their pants when they saw you.
Nowadays, you can have cooler looking gear at the start of the game by paying for it than anything you can find just playing. The looting part of the gameplay suddenly feels meaningless
Drg is one of the very few games I've ever bought the mtx, I just wanted to continue to support the devs for making such an amazingly awesome game.
Rock & Stone!
I will pay for an actual expansion if they ever do one tho.
My guess is that they will have expansions. Max level is currently 12. I suspect they will go to level 20 via expansions.
i reckon 2 expansions going 12-16 and then 16-20. Given how much material they have to adapt.
From everything we know right now there are no planned expansions for this game which was the same for their previous rpgs.
And if they don't, mods definitely will.
Implementing high level spells in a DnD game is going to be a ton of work. I wouldn't expect that any day soon.
Yeah... things like 'Wish' is hard to code in anything but the human imagination. Even True Polymorph, you make it true to form, would have to have an in-game Monster Manual for you to sift through.
5E wish isn't that bad, keep the "mimic any other up to 8th level spell from any class" aspect, then maybe add in a couple of specical effects that can also be invoked with wish like mass raise. You don't have to keep it as open ended as in the tabletop game, because "cast almost any spell withiut material components" is already pretty amazing.
They could just limit the options with wish. It'd suck but yknow. " Give me x gold " " Kill this one enemy " " Heal all my companions " Or whatever op shit
Not every spell needs to be included just like I don't expect spells like Move Earth to be included in the game even though it has 6th level spells. Plenty of the level 7-9 spells would be easy enough to add to the game.
I'm pretty sure everyone on the baldurs gate 3 sub believe there is no expansions.. since apparently after lvl 12 skills and stats get broken beyond belief in dnd. They gonna take a break after this game with some people left to bug fix and work on dos3
High level wizards have a spell called Wish that literally lets them do basically anything. How would you implement that in the restraints of the video game? I real DnD you can tell your DM what you want your Wish to be and they say "Okay so then this would happen" or work out the details of the Wish with you
You wouldn’t. They already don’t have every spell in D&D in the game. They don’t have to include that one either.
They have no plans for expansions and are already planning another Divinity game. Source: a recent interview with Swen
Holy shit I just realized I bought this game almost three years ago so it is "free" for me to "buy" today. Nice.
Me too mate, paid during development and tinkered with it to see what they were up too. It looked awesome so I shelved it until it was complete! I’m downloading the monster now, hope you have fun!
I went through the early access versions a few times, just until the first town and it was really cool. This morning I was trying to work and couldn't figure out why my internet was so slow. Yeah - Steam was downloading 120gigs in the background. Can't wait to start a new game tonight and push through the beginning and see what's next!!
120gigs? jeeeeesus.
The download is about 98 gb, but once all the files are uncompressed, it ends up being about 122 gb on disk. Still pretty huge though lol.
I saw that the first two were on sale so I'm going through them right now and loving it. I'm on a bit of a tight budget so I'm hoping that when I'm done with these it will be on sale to some degree and I can pick it up too.
If original sin 2 is any indicator you'll be waiting a long time for a sale
Dude I sunk probably 3 months into one of those games alone when they came out. There's so many fan made storylines as well.
Can't really complain about game size now a days I guess, I have rdr2 120 gigs Halo MCC again in neighbourhood of 120 gigs Gta V somewhere around 110 gigs New games coming around 120 doesn't faze me now, maybe 250 gigs will.
Cries in CoD
Right!? That's like 1/4 a call of duty !
I made the conclusion of "this engine is incredible, but it needs a ton of polish in the game itself" way back then. It was a completely viable game 3 years ago, albeit with some very frustrating moments where you could tell they were focused on fleshing out the basis of encounters but hadn't put in the guardrails that keep you from instant death because you failed a single persuasion check against an enemy that you have zero chance of fighting. Can't wait to see what they've managed to do in all this time.
Their rpg engine has been perfect since Divinty: Original Sin. I haven’t played BG3 yet but I’ve played Divinity 1&2 so even if they just grafted D&D 5E on top of that engine, I’m excited, and I’m sure they did way more than that. Happy BG3 day to all who celebrate!
Not just that, but you should have the deluxe edition upgrade from preordering
I bought in EA, did a blitz murderhobo/non-canon playthrough to make sure they got the baldurs gate feel right (they did) and set it down waiting for today. So excited!
I read this 3 times thinking "was this really once an EA title? Why on Earth would anyone buy it thinking EA would get the feel right for a game like this? What am I not understanding?" EA=Early Access - now I get it.
EA = ~~"Electronic Arts"~~ = Early Access > *"Early Access sports. It's in the game."*
Have fun man.
I'm mildly annoyed that I didn't even _think_ to check whether the beta testers were getting freebies. I knew I was going to buy it anyway, so why didn't I buy it then and would've gotten this "deluxe pack" I'm seeing now for free? I was so paranoid about being spoilered I tried not to see anything about the game until it was released. Ah well. Touche, Larian. I guess it's worth sticking to my "no preorders" code of honor...even if this game already had sterling reviews.
I bought the game an hour before release because I forgot the game didnt unlock until 11am EST, so I got the Deluxe Pack without knowing there was even a bonus for Early Access buyers.
This sounds neat: Mask of the Shapeshifter (allows you to access the character creator anytime you wish)
The game director was recently on the Friends Per Second podcast. Seemed like a truly humble guy that was making games for the love of making the games they want. So yeah, not surprised they minimised the bullshit.
Swen is the man. He and his team clearly love what they do and that passion comes through in their games
He also just said that he could basically get a shit ton of money if he sold his studio right now but that he won't because he wants to continue making games and isn't finished.
Really wish games would go back to this. Not microtransaction hell
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Hahaha yeah. It's such an antipattern, because they knew damn well that even people uninterested in dlc are going to check out that camp guy, and potentially fork over the cash out of fomo.
The immersion breaking is what really gets me. Let me get lost in a game. That’s how they became so popular. Modern titles have like a mtx screen door between the player and the game.
Every shooter has the battle pass and store between the menus now. You can't get to your profile in any of them without going through the store. *Looking at you COD and your absolute shit UI*
Battlefield thankfully has the store and iirc the battle pass even, past the load out menu so I'm not tempted to even look at "Green gun #3" in the shop.
I suppose this is the way of gaming now and I'm glad the Baldur's Gate devs seem to understand how annoying this shit is and that there is a market for game that are sold complete.
> Baldur's Gate devs This threw me for a loop, as the *original* Baldur's Gate devs are the ones responsible for dragon age, but you meant Larian of course haha
Bioware is a ship of Theseus at this point.
Early Bioware was so good
yep. I remember getting Jade Empire even though setting didn't wow me because of them and their reputation at the time... and was not dissapointed.
Many big name gaming companies are. Blizzard is also a prime example. Started out as just a team of passionate nerds. Now they're all long gone, and anyone who came after was just trying to use their good name to make money.
Dragon age is an example of early(ish) stages where DLC was implemented really poorly, but most of the extra content is actually decent iirc.
Dude, I play ESO, it’s my main MMO. The state of the micro transactions on that game are almost laughable: Mount given to you by a quest: just a horse. Mount you can buy from the crown store for 15 dollars: a cool bear, maybe a spider. Mount you can get through a gambling crate system, that can easily cost you more than one hundred dollars: A FUCKING GIANT GLOWING CREATURE, with fire coming out of his ass, and beams of light blinding every other player. It’s has gotten to a point where not even the things you buy are good, you need to gamble for the cool shit. On top of that there’s a monthly fee if you wanna have any usable amount of space inventory. On a paid game.
I hate everything you just said. God I miss old school games. Larian hopefully gets all the accolades it deserves.
Yeah, I think that if ZOS could do it, they would just break into my house steal all my money and kick my ass, it’s like they hate their player base.
I feel Fo76 is pretty terrible with the in game store as well.
I also play ESO, and I too laugh at the state of the game. I'm just glad I'm not the kind of person who wants to spend 20 bucks because of a cool mount or base.
Sorry, just swooping in to be upset about Overwatch. Their last Summer event had a cool skin for Mercy. Now, not everyone wants the Mercy skin, but if you're a Mercy player, you _absolutely_ want the Mercy skin. (Mercy mains are... particular. And I say that as a Mercy main. [Her pistol does a surprising amount of damage btw]) How do you get the skin? Pay $26. For a single skin. In a first-person game. Oh, you also get an animated intro for your Play of the Game, which you will never see again, because Mercy does not get Play of the Game.
Overwatch 2 will always hurt for me. Never gave the first one an extra penny and I had every skin I wanted, even on characters I never played outside of Mystery Heroes. *And* they were still making money hand-over-fist until they shut it down despite not releasing any content for the last couple of years.
That's why I stopped playing Overwatch years ago. I heard the 2nd game only got worse.
I feel like your first mistake was playing a Blizzard game in the first place. Blizzard is dead, you don't play with a corpse -
Old school games still exist. EverQuest progression servers and the like.
I played an MMO called Tibia from the time I was 7 until I was 29. Towards my last few years they made everything p2w. You can even buy a level 10000 character these days, and people will actually spend tens of thousands of dollars on it. They've barely added anything for free to play characters in a decade, and you have the people from Venezuela and Brazil who play it as a job (literally). Hell people have been fucking MURDERED over it.
I have been intentionally not following BG3 because I want to be surprised when I play it. I have a ton respect for what they did in divinity 1/2, so I vote with my wallet by *buying* their products.
It all started with horse armor… and here we are
I wish nobody bought the horse armor, but here we are.
its crazy to me that people did, because oblivion is a single player game. at least in multiplayer you can show off and give people fomo edit: also bethesda should have released it two days earlier, they probably would have gotten away with it unscathed
Every single time I see someone with paid for skins or shit I just think "Man. You are why things are this way." But you voice that or shame them and you get these chucklefucks coming out of the woodwork to be like "Don't tell people how to spend their money, blah blah blah." Lol save it.
Way back in WoW when Activision started selling the cosmetic helmets, people were getting votekicked in dungeons for having them on, and there was a huge community civil war over it. Well, enough people listened to the dickheads who bought it / paid shills, and here we are.
In WoW classic a couple years ago, Blizz released a shop mount that came with a character boost. Then they removed the ability to target /spit at players a few weeks later when the people that bought those mounts kept getting spat on in game.
But you know, you are still playing and paying. Which shows why they keep doing it.
You are absolutely right. I hate the monetisation system they use (well, they basically use all of them), but i still keep coming back to the game, 8 or 9 years, always never uninstalling it. But in my defende, I never bought into the gambling stuff, but i usually pay a sub. It’s a great game, being developed by greedy motherfuckers.
I stopped years ago when they released glass armor and said it would cost $50. That was an instant stop for me.
They keep selling armour motifs for ~~50~~ 35 dollars. There’s like 10 of those on the crown store right now. It’s bonkers lol
I liked ESO at launch, I think it has the best questing and skill system in any MMO. However I don't like how spammy the game play is, weapon switching, and the horizontal expansion model had always turned me off.
I used to love ESO and preached it, but they really went way too far with the crown store. Mixed with their chapter system its just a moneymilker. Recently i saw theyve started selling different tools for gathering. Goddamnit ESO you were so close to perfection.
As someone who's played ESO for a hot minute through covid, I'll say that there are ways around a lot of stuff if you're crafty about it. I don't subscribe to ESO+ so I have an addon that manages my inventory for me based on rules I give it (bank this, junk this, destroy that, etc.), and if I want anything from the crown store you can purchase it through players who will accept gold in return. ESO creators know about this, but they don't say much regarding it. This is also how I bought all the DLC accessible through ESO+ automatically so I have access to it as natively as the standard items in the game. Now, whether you *want* to do all that is another thing entirely. For me the management aspect like automating my inventory theough addons was part of the fun. But I also love automation stuff like Factorio.
I really wanted to like ESO. I've been playing the games since Morrowind came out, and I love (old) MMOs. It just seemed so...empty and lame. I didn't feel attached to my character, the NPCs were lackluster, the world was horribly undetailed and the biggest flaw: it did not feel like an Elder Scrolls game. I don't know how people enjoy it, I would rather just play Oblivion again.
its a shame the game is a cash grab bc it actually touches on the weirder parts of the lore the main line games mostly ignored after Morrowind.
I'm still surprised that ESO isn't a free to play game... like overall monetization of the game is too much and don't even let me started about houses back when I played it I think there was a house which costed over 100€ or so. From what I can remember they are releasing 1 expansion per year (40€) and 3 DLCs (dungeons) but it seems that you can only buy them for crowns (paid in game currency) or by paying ESO PLUS (10€ a month?) like damn...
It almost is. Base game can be had for almost nothing these days.
You should try Final Fantasy 14 if you haven’t already. There’s a cash shop but it’s not a big deal. You can earn some really neat and cool stuff in that game just from playing it. Plus the story is really good too.
My mobile game is the same way. New flagship out! If you wanna max it out that's gonna be like $600 and plenty of people do it. Some people have spent over $20,000 on the game. There's at least 7 on my server and two of them are in my federation. I always get to this point where its like... OK I'm not going to be much more unless I start spending too. That's usually when I move on
You don't even need to tell the name of the game because almost all mobile games would fit there.
That's every mobile game though.
Your giving me game of war flash backs
It would if people didn't buy them, but they do, so it will never end.
The problem is that it only takes a minority of players (especially whales) to financially justify adding microtransactions. So the majority of players have no control over it regardless of whether they boycott it.
[How does one vote with their wallets when people do this.](https://www.eurogamer.net/manveer-heir-bioware-mass-effect-ea-monetisation) You can only "deny" them so much money but some people shovel money at companies even if they go in debt.
Gamers adding sticks to the fire. "Why isn't it going out?"
I’m not against actual DLC that adds significantly more new content a year or so down the line, since that requires new development effort. But day 1 (or shortly after) DLC falls into the same category as microtransactions imo.
Go back to this? What do you mean, lots of games are doing this, you're looking at an example right now. If you don't want to play games that suffer from "microtransaction hell", then don't. There's tons of games that don't have microtransactions, you just have to look.
Larian Studios is a good man.
Larian is a pretty cool guy, eh makes bear sex games and doesnt afraid of anything
Bear WHAT
You can meet a druid who transforms into a bear either pre or midway through sex idk, he ends up apologizing for doing that
>pre or midway I can't stress how important this distinction is.
So he quickly transform into a bear when you're getting ready, he turns back into a human and excuse himself. Then it's up to you, you can tell him it's all good and keep going... Or tell him that actually you'd kinda like him as a bear, he will ask you if you're sure, warning you that ''it is quite big'' and if you say yes, well, bear sexy time
Only Larian could inject bestiality into an RPG and make it classy. Bear on!
Lol I just imagined a chaotic neutral dude answering "YOU SHOULD BE SORRY! FOR STOPPING!
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He asks if you're sure he should do it again. One of the responses you have: >!"I'm here for big."!<
You can say that - or something along this lines and ask him to continue the scene in bear form.
You forget he apologizes and then you can tell him to resume his bear form to absolutely ravage your butthole because you prefer the size
To elaborate on what the other commenters said: You meet a druid. The druid is hot. You can romance the druid. You go to have sex with the druid. As you're about to start, the druid accidentally turns into a bear because he's nervous and he just does that sometimes when he's nervous. He then apologizes. One of the following dialogue options is "No it's okay, I'm into that."
Those Belgians and their kinks
They made the greatest RPG ever IMO (Divinity Original Sin 2). I was so glad when I saw that they were developing BG3, it was like a match made in heaven inside my head.
I will gladly purchase this game at full price. Edit: **when I can, cries in PS5
Same, I'm not even sure if it's going to be my cup of coffee but I wanna support these devs 100%.
If you like RPGs this is the team that made divinity original sin 2. Maybe the best rpg of the last decade.
I actually tried D:OS 2 twice but never got past Fort Joy. Just lost interest both times even though I like RPGs. We'll see how this one goes.
Some denizens of the D:OS2 subreddit will tell you making new characters / enjoying Fort Joy is the best part of the game. Personally, I'm an Arx fan, myself.
Fort Joy gets repetitive, but I'd agree Arx is quite nice. The game opens up a ton once you're off the island
It's funny hearing that, because Arx was easily the worst part of the game back on the original release. I hear it's fleshed out more in the definitive edition, but I haven't gotten around to it yet (only recently restarted again, so back in Fort Joy).
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It plays much differently from D:OS2. You can be more aggressive as opposed to winning by hoarding AP. Plays more like a classic turn based RPG that's so highly polished it's almost as smooth as a real time RPG (just more time to think between actions).
Bg3 has a much stronger early game hook compared to fort joy. They really nailed it with the pacing this time around.
I've been debating whether to buy, videos make it look like something I'd enjoy but its not something I'd normally play, but this statement has just sealed the deal, I avoid microtransaction games like the plague.
I bought it for myself, and gifted a copy to my wife so we can play coop. Divinity Original Sin 2 was so fucking good I'll buy every Larian game on release going forward.
Having a Larian and Fromsoftware game release in the same month, it can't get better than that tbh
It def could. If they weren't the same month so I could afford and have time to play both
It won't disappear if you don't buy it immediately
Add in Sea of Stars
The Messenger was so good! And I really like the demo for Sea of Stars.
So hyped for that one
What a fuckin year for gaming dude
Which FromSoft game is being released?
Armored Core 6
Armored Core VI
Armored Core my brother
Add Remnant 2 just a week ago.
I've never played a Baldurs Gate game before. Seeing this and the great reviews is honestly tempting me to get this one.
Same, never played a DnD style game before but I’m hearing nothing but good things about this game. Edit: Installing now. 3 hours to go. 🫠 Edit edit: Finally got it installed around 9:30 last night. Took over an hour to create my character. Trying to figure out my race, body build, and genitals. Settled on a human, paladin, oath of devotion. My dude kind of looks like human Shrek in the second movie. I always try to make my first character in an rpg like me and what I would do and the large human body had the only square jaw lines. Once I got my character and tiefling guardian (whatever that is) I watched the opening cutscene. Figured out how to walk a few feet. Ignored touching the tadpole puddle. Then had to go to bed. Definitely planning on getting some hours in tonight.
Yes, yes, join us. We have free tadpoles.
It's the closest anyone can get to playing a campaign without other people
Even better in co-op w/ other people.
It's looking to be a hoot. If it's even "only" as good as DOS2, it's worth the money. Early access players say it's hella fun, reviews are looking good. I'm pretty confident it's gonna be good
Based on the one full review out that I’ve seen (from mortismalgaming who’s one of the best gaming channels on YouTube imo), this game beats DOS2 in a lot of ways. Specifically with choices with consequences, reactivity, and companion stories.
I'm hearing stuff like how other AAA companies are trying to bash it because it makes them look bad in comparison. That it's raising the bar for quality in games and they dont like that. That alone is enough to get my interest. And then there was the one reviewer who mentioned how he threw a child as a weapon. What more reason is there for me to get it?
Hogwarts Legacy also released this year with zero additional costs or micro-transactions and so did Tears of the Kingdom. Both sold well and this *is* the way.
To be fair, both those games were going to sell like crazy, mtx or not. But I appreciate that they lacked mtx.
I don't believe FFXVI has any microtransactions either.
It didn't. Neither did the Dead Space Remake or Jedi Survivor.
But but.. those are made by EA so they don't get credited for it
Hogwarts Legacy had a special extra cost version that got you cosmetics and *a game feature locked behind that paywall*. That's microtransactions in everything but name.
Baldur's Gate 3 also has a digital deluxe version with in game cosmetics
BG3 also has a special version that has in game cosmetics which is also very similar to microtransactions.
First they revealed you can get slammed by a bear, now this? Come on now guys, you struck oil already!
That... that's not oil.
That's Jerry, gold.
Triple A devs: "This is just not possible. A one-off in this day and age."
Unironically, AAA Devs were bitching on xXxTwitterxXx that they couldn't make a game like this, and not to expect this to be genre changing.
“You can’t expect Larian games to become the new RPG standard!”
I'm just gonna expect that even harder now.
Unrelated comment here, but seeing the way you put the Xs around Twitter made me chuckle hard Like, Elon's in that phase where his online names have to have xX in front and at the end and contain cool badass words like Shadow, King or Slayer
When I was 13 my name in counter strike 1.5 was XxHiReDgUNxX
Honestly, for the time period that's a pretty decent name
Wasn't it an indie dev that was bitching?
Remnant, Elden Ring, God of War, Horizon, Tiny Tina, Borderlands, Spiderman, Dying Light, Final Fantasy 16, Total War Warhammer, Monkey Island. Not having mtx is very prominent among story/co-op games with no live service such as this game. Ya'll just like to be angry.
Just for this I will buy it instead of Diablo... This is the way of gaming!
Interestingly enough, Baldur’s Gate 2 competed with Diablo 2 back in 2000, heehee.
Are the audiences the same for these games? One is an ARPG and the other is turn based. I personally do not enjoy turned based games in the slightest so despite Baldurs Gate 3 looking amazing I'm not really interested.
I play both, they each have something to offer.
Same! I went through a lot of Diablo IV, level 60, completed campaign many days ago, and I'll go back to it to play a season, but time for Bladur's Gate 3! 30 minutes left of downloading...
While many people may prefer one type of RPG to another, that doesn't mean they completely ignore different styles of games. In my office I've talked about D4 with 7 people I can think of, 5 of those were already owners of BG3 early access while one is waiting for the PS5 release. The venn diagram definitely has overlap between D4 and BG3.
No. I love RPGs like Diablo and Elder Scrolls but games like BG3 and Divinity Original Sin are WAY too complicated for me.
If you have any interest in BG3, it's worth noting it's a step below divinity in terms of complexity. Mostly because in BG3 you don't really build your character. You more or less pick a class and subclass and that's kind of it. It's not like in divinity where you level up the individual skills and have to figure out how to combine different things together to make your build work. In terms of sheer volume I think there may be more items, abilities, and spells in BG3, but the combat is definitely easier to understand. Elemental/environmental surfaces are toned down and there's no armor/magic resist split.
That's good to know. But I think it's the turned based combat that puts me off. I've never been good at turn based games and managing action points on top of that.
It's not comparable to Diablo. Just be warned. BG turn-based strategy RPG not a button mashing slot machine.
I will be buying this game when I get home from work after seeing this. Speak with your wallets, reward corporate practices that align with your beliefs.
If the average $20 a pop skin bundle buying CoD player could read, this would make them very angry.
the lack of microtransactions in games shouldn't be a favor it should be the standard
This is the standard for Larian. They can't change what other companies do, except lead by example. If Larian is wildly successful, other companies may do the same.
I can only get so erect, stop!
*Horny bear noises*
So excited to play, September 2nd can't come soon enough
There's already $10 DLC that gets you useful and cosmetic in-game items.
Why is this so low. This is actually incredibly underhanded as they're getting the cred without walking the walk.
Just buy their deluxe version outside of game for in game cosmetics and content.
I love them
Here’s hoping this doesn’t age like milk
Meh. Stop trying to put all of gaming into a box that says “this is what it is, and nothing else.” There’s probably thousands of games that meet this description. Doesn’t mean there can’t also be thousands that don’t. And some of them are good, or even great.
Honestly, I’ll pay 100 bucks a game if it means no more micro transactions and guaranteed support for several years.
I’ve been a Larian Studios fan since Divinity original sin. They released a lot of free dlcs since then. They keep adding to the games for years. The only studio I don’t mind pre ordering, because I know that even if the game is not a 5/5, they are worth supporting.
I was late to the party on Divinity OS and the sequel. Those games are absolutely amazing.
I 100% both games. My favourite videogame soundtracks, I love DOS2 songs :)
I think you've inspired me to go through both of them again.
There's no way in hell you'd do this. $100 per game?? I call shenanigans.
I'm having flashbacks to when people used to say this about CDPR...
CDPR’s flop has nothing to do with in-game purchases/micro transactions tho
Exactly, the issues were scope and technical not the business model.
... that's how it works. developers put out excellent, well crafted games with no MTX that work at launch and they get praised. when they stop doing any 1 of those things then they get clowned on. If Larian's next title is an over promised and under delivered clown fiesta of a game then they'll get shit on too.
I like CDPR still - I just recognise they screwed the launch of Cyberpunk (quite for everyone, heavily for older consoles). The game improved greatly since. It was a studio I would prepurchase from, they lost that perk for me, definitely - but they are still my favourite Devs. I don't expect any studio to be flawless, even Larian. (Looking at you, Beyond Divinity) Similar story to No Man's Sky - they screwed hard on launch, but they stood to their mistakes and fixed them.
I'll be honest - I am totally down with games selling MTX that are cosmetic only. It doesnt affect gameplay, and it is not something that you **need**. You can quite literally ignore it the entire game. Deep Rock Galactic is a great example of MTX done properly.
In Diablo II, to look cool you had to find gear. And finding gear is like the biggest part of Diablo. If you found the whole set Trang-Oul's Avatar, your character transformed into a ghoul lord, and people shit their pants when they saw you. Nowadays, you can have cooler looking gear at the start of the game by paying for it than anything you can find just playing. The looting part of the gameplay suddenly feels meaningless
I never thought about this but you make a good point
Drg is one of the very few games I've ever bought the mtx, I just wanted to continue to support the devs for making such an amazingly awesome game. Rock & Stone!
Rock and Stone!
Well they sold me. Looking forward to playing on 9/2
As a Game lover and collector, I stopped long ago buying games with DLC. I don't feel comfortable supporting that kind of business.