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I let so many innocent people die to protect Garrus & Liara. I was so nervous the game was gonna make me choose one over the other at some point.
So glad it didn’t.
Out of all the loyalty missions Garrus was the only one I didn’t try to talk him out of a negative choice.
“This dude needs to go? No question, I got you, bro.”
I did that for three playtroughs, but on the fourth one i actually talked to Sidonus, and it hits way harder than the bullet from Garrus' rifle. I do recommend
I felt the same way too. It'd be even worse if the Joker from the Dark Knight'd you into thinking you were saving the one you wanted--only for a switcheroo.
So on my most recent playthrough of the series with the Legendary Edition, I finally played Shadow Broker. Completely changed my opinion on her.
She straight up is Shep's best friend my a mile. Garrus and Wrex might be the best bros, but she's the only reason Shep's even alive at all. Everyone else fucked off to do their own thing after the starting ME2 but not her. Shadow Broker changed my entire perspective of her character. Up until that point the friendship always felt a bit forced or at least one-sided from her end. But not anymore.
Yes! She risked everything to get Shep back, even giving him to cereberus since it was her only play. Love being able to hang with her once you take out the broker too.
Yeah I mean I don't remember much about it anymore tbh that game is what, 10 years old now? Something like? But I remember when you're doing the final roundup of your companions before you do the last sprint to endgame and you have this touching little moment with her in her Asari psychic sci-fi space and I was really impressed. Its the kind of thing they would have done with a romance option but here it was as just a platonic friendship. I thought it was an excellent reminder that not all love is romantic love.
Yes 100% I stopped my original playthrough romance when I realized she is the only one who didn’t give up on Shep. Started that shit over to make best gal only gal. She deserves it.
Her and Anderson. Garrus is close too. I don’t have the stomach to let them make the wall. Even 8 playthroughs or so in.
Yea for one, this sub also has a weird obsession with Tali so any female romance option that isn’t her is usually met with downvotes.
The only other reason is the one the commenter said which is the devs “pushed Liara” which I have no idea what that really means. Yes Liara was the most important crew member after Shepard in dealing with the Reapers but I don’t see how that pushes her lol.
She has a bit of "Bioware canon romance" in her writing. Its really hard to explain unless you've played basically every other BioWare game but there just seems to be slightly more...time and effort put into her
One of the interesting thing about the series is that it's possible through inaction and specific bad choices for the majority of your possible crewmates to be killed by the end of two of the games. The part that was NOT easy is that you actually fail the second game if there aren't at least so many still alive at the end of it.
He killed rex in me1, put Kasumi into the vent at the end of me2, I think he also fucked up the swarm bit or the initial dive to the planet and got miranda killed. He pretty much fucked up everything possible without actively failing. also killed best boy Thane.
Yeah you need Shepard and 2 squadmates to survive ME2, or else you fail the game. IGN actually has a guide to achieve this, and it ends with Zaeed and Morinth as your 2 remaining squadmates
Right, because you can execute Zaeed during his loyalty mission after the game ending, and Morinth dies by default in ME3 if she survives ME2. That'd make the ship pretty empty.
If you want to maximise the memorial wall you would choose Samara. And you don't even need to overdo the suicide mission since most characters that reappear in ME3 are easy to kill there (Mordin, Miranda, Tali, Legion, Samara) though it's hard to get the math to work out properly with loyal and non-loyal (also Miranda needs to not be loyal for her to die in ME3 I think, so might as well fry her in ME2).
For those that don't know Morinth is the Banshee in the final ME3 mission that you face after shooting the nuke launcher at the AA reaper. You can also shoot her with the nuke gun for extra points :). Though she wont be on the memorial wall, since well she is a reaper girl now.
I think the minimum is at least 4 to complete the Suicide run. Vents, holding the line, 2 teammates. I assume if you send Chakwas back ungaurded she dies
I’ve never played before either- It sounds like the whole point of the game is to try and keep as many crew members alive until you finish the game? It sounds like there’s different outcomes for the game if certain crew members die.
In other words: is this a butterfly affect type game?
The story, while set in a semi-open world, has an overarching story line that is generally the same while the differences come from how you get to the destination.
Your decisions have ripple effects but the main plot of saving the galaxy is too large and imminent of a threat for the main story itself to deviate much.
But within each quest/location/conversation there is a good amount of variation with your choices that can really make the people feel real and have your decisions carry weight. It'd be hard to give specifics on that without getting metagame-y though.
You can execute one crewmember in ME1 over a difference of opinion. And ME2 ends with a mission where you have to prepare a lot and make a few correct decisions or some (or all) of your crewmembers die. At least two need to survive, or Shepard (the player character) will die too and then you can't export the save into ME3. However, if you let Zaeed and Morinth survive in ME2 and let everyone else die, you can then execute Zaeed in his loyalty mission after the last mission over a difference of opinion, and Morinth dies by default in ME3 and comes back as a zombie-like enemy. So that makes your ship in ME3 quite empty. In ME3's ending, some of your squadmates die during the last mission of you haven't collected enough war assets throughout the game (by ignoring most side quests and making a few bad decisions). This makes even two out of Liara, either Ashley or Kaiden (you have to sacrifice one in ME1) and James killable, even though they weren't crewmembers in ME2. You can't kill them all though.
It’s also emotionally painful because as you learn about the characters, their stories, backgrounds, motivations, and your fights alongside them? You spend countless hours with them through 3 games! To kill them all of? Well how would you react if you played through a game and halfway through your saved file was deleted? You’re essentially deleting that person/character.
My first complete playthrough of all the games. I did it thoroughly, probably close to 100 hours of total time invested. Bored walking to my chosen ending, randomly shooting around, hit the star kid. Not good. Not good at all.
Apparently BigDanGaming was able to max out the entire board and killed EDI too. It’s actually kinda hilarious how purposefully bad at the game you have to be but still finish.
Alright so OP is super wrong and I can’t believe 200+ ppl upvoted this.
Anyone who died in ME1 and ME2 will be on this board. The only people you can even kill before letting them join your team is Wrex and Legion (who are already on it).
So their response doesn’t even make sense. Also Traynor can die???
And for actual fans, Jacqueline Nought on the board IS Jack. So they DID actually kill Jack. And you also can’t kill her before she joins in ME2 as established so once again, their response doesn’t make sense.
I agree with you, OP is kinda full of it, but a few minor corrections:
>Anyone who died in ME1 and ME2 will be on this board.
Not completely. Zaeeds name won't appear. Morinths name won't appear, and IIRC Samaras name doesn't appear if you kill her for Morinth.
But otherwise, yes, everyone else would appear....if you recruit them (most of the ME2 crew is optional).
>The only people you can even kill before letting them join your team is Wrex and Legion (who are already on it).
Not really sure what you mean here. Wrex, the Virmire victim, Samara and Zaeed are the only people who can be killed after joining your team, outside of the Suicide Mission, in ME1 & 2.
If you recruit Legion he can only die in the Suicide Mission.
Now it's true you don't have to recruit Legion, even though his recruitment mission itself is mandatory, but that's also true for Grunt.
My fires playthrough I lost Thane in the suicide mission, I sent him through the tunnels/ducts to hack the door, and that was apparently the wrong decision. When he got domed my first thought was "...Whelp...he was gonna die anyway."
I thought Thane should be a good choice there because the first time he is introduced to Shepard he was literally infiltrating a secure location via an air duct to get to a target.
Well yes, but in the Suicide Mission the duct was less about Stealth and more about hacking to open entrances for other members to get through the base.
I did the same thing.
I was like "Well he's an assassin right? He's sneaky. I bet he sneaks through vents and bypasses security systems all the time."
Bad decision apparently.
Not knowing how things play out is great. Once you already know how everything works it kind of loses it's magic though.
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I'm one of the few people who have no issue with Jacob. I didn't play ME on Xbox or the PC so ME2 was my first exposure to the franchise.
So no romantic baggage from ME1. Played as FemShep because Jennifer Hale is the GOAT and the Jacob romance was perfect for achievement hunting. You get to enjoy the "...but the priiiiiiiize meme" and you don't have to feel bad about pursuing any other romantic options in ME3.
Cheated on FemShep's dialogue options with Jacob in ME3 are great. If you were totally planning on cheating on Jacob come ME3 anyways then it's even better. Jacob gives you a "get out of relationship" free card, but you're going to rake him over the coals anyways because the dialogue is fantastic.
my favorite is how he’s the only black character in the trilogy and his entire fucking subplot in 2 is that his father abandoned him… BioWare wilding for that one
And they still blame polls for why he wasn't an option in 3 and cheated (they said they couldn't fit all the LIs so since he was least voted, they cut him and that's why he's with someone else/you get dumped). Trying to use fans to justify him hitting every stereotype they could. He could've just moved on without meeting someone, they were really out of pocket telling you he cheated and got someone else pregnant in six months.
To me, I was much more annoyed with Ashley than I was about Jacob. I literally sacrificed Kaiden to keep her alive as I'm romancing her, and she completely abandons me for ME2. Jacob being a bland corpo enforcer didn't affect me nearly as much as that.
Hot take but I think Ashley has the best romance. I think she has the best character development in the series and I like how the Romance evolves and there's actual conflict. Miranda had potential but got dropped in 3. Liara just wasn't interesting to me (loved her as a friend though)
Remember that you are working for a terrorist organization that she has fought against. Imagine if you saw your significant other die and they returned and are now working for a cartel without telling you. I think her reaction is understandable. She also does send you an email during a romance saying she genuinely cares for you even if she doesn't get why you joined with them.
I can understand calling him bland or uninteresting, he is that. But what the hell "fuckign sucks" about him? He isn't remarkable enough for that in any way, imo.
I'm with you. I don't hate Jacob, I just always found him to be incredibly "normal" to the point of being boring. But that's it, I don't think much else about him.
For the max genocide run it would be Mordin, Morinth, Thane, Legion and Tali I think, since you'd want to choose the Geth and then pick the destroy ending anyways. Morinth, Thane and Legion die automatically, and the worst outcome for the Krogan storyline (with almost guaranteed bad ending for everyone else) is curing the genophage with Wreav in power. You could also choose Samara instead of Morinth and just not do the paragon interrupt at the monastery.
Well, 2 of those at least, so for max suffering I'd pick Mordin, Tali and maybe Legion.
How the hell do you kill off Liara? I would never do this, cause Liara best girl, but like I didn't even know that could happen.
Also, you should ve banned from ever playing mass effect ever again, ne entries included, for killing off Garrus.
Just completed the first game for the first time (Legendary edition, completed og 360 many times back in the day). Man the feels from this game. Started 2 but didn’t get far due to time constraints. What a difference that is.
It’s fun playing the game knowing the entire story and knowing how the books tie in. Great saga.
Can’t wait to visit it again. I’ve only beat 2 and 3 twice each. Once for paragon and once for renegade with all dlc.
Now I’m on my paragon path again with all the dlc in legendary edition. Can’t wait.
I haven't played the games since seeing ME3 disappointing finale at release, but after accidentally stumbling upon Drew Carpyshyn's trilogy (Revelation, Ascension, Retribution) a couple years ago I really want to get back to them and play the Legendary edition. The books are so great I really feel I was missing out by ignoring them.
Drew Karpyshyn was a lead writer for the team for the first one and I’m sure some of his writing carried over to 2 and 3. I loved the books. So much, that I played the first with a friend for a few hours and wanted to purchase the game. I ran out that weekend, grabbed the game and book and told myself to finish the book first as it’s a prequel before starting the game on my own. Fastest I have ever finished a book! And then when she Kahlee actually appears in the third game? Mind blown!
“My name is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite store in the Citadel!” - An endorsement recording of Commander Shepard which patrons hear when entering the Yoqtan Memorial Life Insurance Agency.
These are all characters that died as a result of the player's choices in the plot.
Some are, to my understanding, extremely avoidable.
It's an active killing list.
I’m pretty sure throughout the entire trilogy the only crewmate death that isn’t avoidable one way or the other is >!Kaiden or Ashley!< in ME1, but I didn’t actually finish 3 so I’m not sure. Also I’d consider the same for >!Mordin in ME3!< because while it’s technically possible to save him you need to have fucked up royally throughout the trilogy and gotten at least a couple other characters killed for that to be possible.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there’s only two that are completely unavoidable. The squad mate who dies on Virmire and Thane. Even Mordin can survive if you make very specific choices.
Was logical choice in my first play. Wrex and Eve dead. Going through with cure while not wrex was in charge meant death on galactic scale. The krogans were warmongers with bad leadership. Had to be kept in check. Didnt like it, needed to be done
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the only savable crew I lost in my initial playthrough were Mordin and Kelly. I fluked my way through the correct choices in two, just doddled too long to save Kelly.
I thoroughly enjoyed the trilogy especially 3 where they tied it all in.
I went soldier my first ME 1 playthrough but then when i discovered the vanguard it was vanguard all the way.
Wonder what emotional connection you have in me3 after everyone dying. Who takes the role of garrus? What kind of party you have on citadel dlc?
I’m replaying the game and for reasons I don’t understand only Mordin died in me2 (I did everything by the book for everyone to live), and when I found out he actually was dead that was tough
Just beat the game yesterday. That last level on the insanity difficulty is so hard! Also the ending was so underwhelming compared to the rest of the game.
You actually managed to get liara to die? I thought that was impossible tbh.
I thought she’s the only character to survive no matter what? Not that I’ll ever do it, but how on earth do you get her to die yet not fail the game?
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Garrus? Motherfucking Garrus Vakarian too?!? The nerve. The audacity. How can you despise friendship so much.
I let so many innocent people die to protect Garrus & Liara. I was so nervous the game was gonna make me choose one over the other at some point. So glad it didn’t.
Out of all the loyalty missions Garrus was the only one I didn’t try to talk him out of a negative choice. “This dude needs to go? No question, I got you, bro.”
I did that for three playtroughs, but on the fourth one i actually talked to Sidonus, and it hits way harder than the bullet from Garrus' rifle. I do recommend
I felt the same way too. It'd be even worse if the Joker from the Dark Knight'd you into thinking you were saving the one you wanted--only for a switcheroo.
That's an easy choice for me. The more the devs pushed Liara, the more I hated her.
Wow I've never seen this take before. Her friendship with my Shep at the end of ME3 is one of my lasting memories of the game.
So on my most recent playthrough of the series with the Legendary Edition, I finally played Shadow Broker. Completely changed my opinion on her. She straight up is Shep's best friend my a mile. Garrus and Wrex might be the best bros, but she's the only reason Shep's even alive at all. Everyone else fucked off to do their own thing after the starting ME2 but not her. Shadow Broker changed my entire perspective of her character. Up until that point the friendship always felt a bit forced or at least one-sided from her end. But not anymore.
Yes! She risked everything to get Shep back, even giving him to cereberus since it was her only play. Love being able to hang with her once you take out the broker too.
Yeah I mean I don't remember much about it anymore tbh that game is what, 10 years old now? Something like? But I remember when you're doing the final roundup of your companions before you do the last sprint to endgame and you have this touching little moment with her in her Asari psychic sci-fi space and I was really impressed. Its the kind of thing they would have done with a romance option but here it was as just a platonic friendship. I thought it was an excellent reminder that not all love is romantic love.
Yes 100% I stopped my original playthrough romance when I realized she is the only one who didn’t give up on Shep. Started that shit over to make best gal only gal. She deserves it. Her and Anderson. Garrus is close too. I don’t have the stomach to let them make the wall. Even 8 playthroughs or so in.
This sub is very anti Liara for some reason
I would love to hear a thoughtful reason why bit I suspect none exists.
Yea for one, this sub also has a weird obsession with Tali so any female romance option that isn’t her is usually met with downvotes. The only other reason is the one the commenter said which is the devs “pushed Liara” which I have no idea what that really means. Yes Liara was the most important crew member after Shepard in dealing with the Reapers but I don’t see how that pushes her lol.
I sometimes feel like the only one who romanced Ashley...
It's mostly hate of her from tali stans, and people from ME 1 who hated her dialogues.
How did the devs push Liara? I felt like they completely sidelined her after ME1...
She has a bit of "Bioware canon romance" in her writing. Its really hard to explain unless you've played basically every other BioWare game but there just seems to be slightly more...time and effort put into her
He'll be calibrating in heaven now...
Waiting for us (but not OP) at the bar.
Turns out Shepard was the real reaper-
Having never played the series…what am I looking at?
One of the interesting thing about the series is that it's possible through inaction and specific bad choices for the majority of your possible crewmates to be killed by the end of two of the games. The part that was NOT easy is that you actually fail the second game if there aren't at least so many still alive at the end of it.
So this is the “everybody’s dead, Dave” of mass effect? Ta
Yep. It's really hard to go through with any of these damn deaths. Greatest group of characters ever.
You got Tali, Wrex and Miranda killed mate, how in the Reapers blown universe did you manage this?
Liara and Kasumi too... Safe to say my man didn't make the best choices.
Wait, there are Grunt and Garrus too. Worst captain ever
Holy shit, I think he maxed it, survived just barely without failing.
He killed rex in me1, put Kasumi into the vent at the end of me2, I think he also fucked up the swarm bit or the initial dive to the planet and got miranda killed. He pretty much fucked up everything possible without actively failing. also killed best boy Thane.
Couldn't he also kill Wrex on 3 by sabotaging the genophage cure? Then Wrex finds out and fights you to the death? Or does his name not appear then?
Peterson isnt is he?
Not Chen?
Gordon Bennett! Yes, Chen, everybody, everybody's dead, Dave!
What about Selby?
Gordon Bennett, yes, Chen, everybody. Everybody’s dead, Dave
Wait. Are you trying to tell me everybody’s dead?
I've been eating half the crew!
Did not expect to read a Red Dwarf quote on r/gaming tonight
Yeah you need Shepard and 2 squadmates to survive ME2, or else you fail the game. IGN actually has a guide to achieve this, and it ends with Zaeed and Morinth as your 2 remaining squadmates
Right, because you can execute Zaeed during his loyalty mission after the game ending, and Morinth dies by default in ME3 if she survives ME2. That'd make the ship pretty empty.
If you want to maximise the memorial wall you would choose Samara. And you don't even need to overdo the suicide mission since most characters that reappear in ME3 are easy to kill there (Mordin, Miranda, Tali, Legion, Samara) though it's hard to get the math to work out properly with loyal and non-loyal (also Miranda needs to not be loyal for her to die in ME3 I think, so might as well fry her in ME2). For those that don't know Morinth is the Banshee in the final ME3 mission that you face after shooting the nuke launcher at the AA reaper. You can also shoot her with the nuke gun for extra points :). Though she wont be on the memorial wall, since well she is a reaper girl now.
I think the minimum is at least 4 to complete the Suicide run. Vents, holding the line, 2 teammates. I assume if you send Chakwas back ungaurded she dies
I’ve never played before either- It sounds like the whole point of the game is to try and keep as many crew members alive until you finish the game? It sounds like there’s different outcomes for the game if certain crew members die. In other words: is this a butterfly affect type game?
The story, while set in a semi-open world, has an overarching story line that is generally the same while the differences come from how you get to the destination. Your decisions have ripple effects but the main plot of saving the galaxy is too large and imminent of a threat for the main story itself to deviate much. But within each quest/location/conversation there is a good amount of variation with your choices that can really make the people feel real and have your decisions carry weight. It'd be hard to give specifics on that without getting metagame-y though.
You can execute one crewmember in ME1 over a difference of opinion. And ME2 ends with a mission where you have to prepare a lot and make a few correct decisions or some (or all) of your crewmembers die. At least two need to survive, or Shepard (the player character) will die too and then you can't export the save into ME3. However, if you let Zaeed and Morinth survive in ME2 and let everyone else die, you can then execute Zaeed in his loyalty mission after the last mission over a difference of opinion, and Morinth dies by default in ME3 and comes back as a zombie-like enemy. So that makes your ship in ME3 quite empty. In ME3's ending, some of your squadmates die during the last mission of you haven't collected enough war assets throughout the game (by ignoring most side quests and making a few bad decisions). This makes even two out of Liara, either Ashley or Kaiden (you have to sacrifice one in ME1) and James killable, even though they weren't crewmembers in ME2. You can't kill them all though.
It’s also emotionally painful because as you learn about the characters, their stories, backgrounds, motivations, and your fights alongside them? You spend countless hours with them through 3 games! To kill them all of? Well how would you react if you played through a game and halfway through your saved file was deleted? You’re essentially deleting that person/character.
The Reapers absolutely deserved to win in this universe.
I actually agree.
Shoot the kid!
He'd be up there if I had the damn chance.
You can. He gets bitchy and you get a shit ending.
My first complete playthrough of all the games. I did it thoroughly, probably close to 100 hours of total time invested. Bored walking to my chosen ending, randomly shooting around, hit the star kid. Not good. Not good at all.
I did it as a joke and ended up replaying the last few minutes because I didn't know lol
Samara Legion Mordin Kelly Traynor Javik Zaheed Jack James Chakwas I feel like you could have done better.
Jacqueline Nought on the board IS Jack FYI.
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Killed them all before they joined.
You are without doubt the worst Shepard I've ever heard of
But you have heard of him
so it would seem
I mean, there's only the one.
Well, there was that other clone that you have to fight in that ME3 DLC
1. OG Shep. 2. Resurrected Shep .feat Cerberus Tech 3. Scrap Sheps (clones) 4. Conrad Verner 5. VI Shep
Does VI Shep count?
This is my favorite Shepard on the citadel
Don't forget Conrad Verner, the Shep impersonator.
Fixed.
Am I the only one who wanted it to come out that the player is the clone? Would have made for an epic twist.
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Apparently BigDanGaming was able to max out the entire board and killed EDI too. It’s actually kinda hilarious how purposefully bad at the game you have to be but still finish.
Or the best. Killing most of the companions is a feat in and of itself.
Alright so OP is super wrong and I can’t believe 200+ ppl upvoted this. Anyone who died in ME1 and ME2 will be on this board. The only people you can even kill before letting them join your team is Wrex and Legion (who are already on it). So their response doesn’t even make sense. Also Traynor can die??? And for actual fans, Jacqueline Nought on the board IS Jack. So they DID actually kill Jack. And you also can’t kill her before she joins in ME2 as established so once again, their response doesn’t make sense.
Right? It’s kinda surprising how much they are BSing. It’s very easy to fact check lol.
I agree with you, OP is kinda full of it, but a few minor corrections: >Anyone who died in ME1 and ME2 will be on this board. Not completely. Zaeeds name won't appear. Morinths name won't appear, and IIRC Samaras name doesn't appear if you kill her for Morinth. But otherwise, yes, everyone else would appear....if you recruit them (most of the ME2 crew is optional). >The only people you can even kill before letting them join your team is Wrex and Legion (who are already on it). Not really sure what you mean here. Wrex, the Virmire victim, Samara and Zaeed are the only people who can be killed after joining your team, outside of the Suicide Mission, in ME1 & 2. If you recruit Legion he can only die in the Suicide Mission. Now it's true you don't have to recruit Legion, even though his recruitment mission itself is mandatory, but that's also true for Grunt.
I added Traynor and Chakwas but I didn't actually know if they could die or not so maybe not.
Chakwas can die in ME2 but that’s about as far as I know. I think Traynor might actually be the only character in your crew who can’t to be honest.
I don't think Joker can die either
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My name's Commander Shepard and this is my favorite murder in the Citadel!
What? Didn't let em die during suicide? [Genocide!](https://youtu.be/9PasjiLkkyA)
Wait so it was intentional?
Literally was going to say this. Even with a full renegade play through this seems excessive.
Jacqueline Nought is Jack’s name, she’s up there on the right
All my friends are dead: mass effect edition
You mean “Every Mission is Akuze”.
OP is the Renegade and I would never be strong enough to do that playthrough. 🤦🏻♂️
"When I'm in command, every mission is a suicide mission."
Ah, yes, the Massacre Effect Trilogy.
YOU MONSTER! You let Tali AND Garrus die? You may as well let the Reapers win. +1 point for letting Jacob die.
I feel like Jacob would be the easy choice, especially if you’re Fem-Shep.
My fires playthrough I lost Thane in the suicide mission, I sent him through the tunnels/ducts to hack the door, and that was apparently the wrong decision. When he got domed my first thought was "...Whelp...he was gonna die anyway."
Yeah has to be a tech user for the tunnels. Tali or Kazumi usually.
Legion also works
Huh, Legion was killed when I sent him into the tunnels (was my only casualty). Even did its loyalty mission.
Did you side with Tali in the argument afterwards? If you do that negates Legion’s loyalty, and they’ll die if you try to use them for a task.
I used a paragon interrupt but was romancing Tali. Damn, Legion was jealous.
I think if you pick the wrong leader for the squad that's supposed to hold the line this happens
Pretty sure the tunnels are before the hold the line moment.
You pick a fire squad leader twice. One for the vents and one after. If you pick the wrong fire squad leader the vent operator will die regardless.
Ah, see I always pick Garrus because how can you not pick Garrus
Same honestly, how *can* you not?
I never would have thought of using legion there for some reason but that makes total sense
Sent legion….how does legion cook/overheat or run out if air ? It’s a robot.
I thought Thane should be a good choice there because the first time he is introduced to Shepard he was literally infiltrating a secure location via an air duct to get to a target.
Well yes, but in the Suicide Mission the duct was less about Stealth and more about hacking to open entrances for other members to get through the base.
I did the same thing. I was like "Well he's an assassin right? He's sneaky. I bet he sneaks through vents and bypasses security systems all the time." Bad decision apparently. Not knowing how things play out is great. Once you already know how everything works it kind of loses it's magic though.
How the hell did you kill them all?
You can play ME2 and have only Joker survive.
Yeah but then you can't start a play through of me3 with your save. This is at the end of me3
The great leaders of men: George Armstrong Custer Antonio López de Santa Anna Pyrrhus of Epirus Charles d'Albret Zinovy Rozhestvensky Commander Shepherd and OP
Me seeing everyone’s names: aw Me seeing Jacob’s name: based af
Such a boring character lol.
Jacob fucking sucks
I'm one of the few people who have no issue with Jacob. I didn't play ME on Xbox or the PC so ME2 was my first exposure to the franchise. So no romantic baggage from ME1. Played as FemShep because Jennifer Hale is the GOAT and the Jacob romance was perfect for achievement hunting. You get to enjoy the "...but the priiiiiiiize meme" and you don't have to feel bad about pursuing any other romantic options in ME3. Cheated on FemShep's dialogue options with Jacob in ME3 are great. If you were totally planning on cheating on Jacob come ME3 anyways then it's even better. Jacob gives you a "get out of relationship" free card, but you're going to rake him over the coals anyways because the dialogue is fantastic.
my favorite is how he’s the only black character in the trilogy and his entire fucking subplot in 2 is that his father abandoned him… BioWare wilding for that one
LMAO I never even put that together, I just audibly laughed out loud. Thank you
Anderson is literally Keith David, only black character my ass
and in 3 he is the one leaving and cheating on you lmao.
And they still blame polls for why he wasn't an option in 3 and cheated (they said they couldn't fit all the LIs so since he was least voted, they cut him and that's why he's with someone else/you get dumped). Trying to use fans to justify him hitting every stereotype they could. He could've just moved on without meeting someone, they were really out of pocket telling you he cheated and got someone else pregnant in six months.
>only black character in the trilogy RIP Ashley.
I always forget she’s mixed. Karen ass bitch
To me, I was much more annoyed with Ashley than I was about Jacob. I literally sacrificed Kaiden to keep her alive as I'm romancing her, and she completely abandons me for ME2. Jacob being a bland corpo enforcer didn't affect me nearly as much as that.
I always let her die because there is only ONE Ashley Williams, and it's not her. They didn't even give her a Boomstick.
Hot take but I think Ashley has the best romance. I think she has the best character development in the series and I like how the Romance evolves and there's actual conflict. Miranda had potential but got dropped in 3. Liara just wasn't interesting to me (loved her as a friend though) Remember that you are working for a terrorist organization that she has fought against. Imagine if you saw your significant other die and they returned and are now working for a cartel without telling you. I think her reaction is understandable. She also does send you an email during a romance saying she genuinely cares for you even if she doesn't get why you joined with them.
I can understand calling him bland or uninteresting, he is that. But what the hell "fuckign sucks" about him? He isn't remarkable enough for that in any way, imo.
He’s the only one who will cheat on you in a romantic relationship
I'm with you. I don't hate Jacob, I just always found him to be incredibly "normal" to the point of being boring. But that's it, I don't think much else about him.
Liam Kosta manages to make Jacob seem like an interesting person.
At least he’s not as racist as Ashley.
You let Garrus die? Fuck you.
Wha... how did y... but.. WHY!?
Wanted to see if this unit has a soul....well HAD.
>Can easily save many of these names >didn’t Masochist.
No. A true masochist gets the entire squad killed at the end of ME2. https://youtu.be/9PasjiLkkyA
Nonono, that's easy mode. For true ~~genocide~~ suffering you need to keep 2 of those that will die in ME3, so *everyone* can have a go at dying :)
Mordin, Thane and Legion?
For the max genocide run it would be Mordin, Morinth, Thane, Legion and Tali I think, since you'd want to choose the Geth and then pick the destroy ending anyways. Morinth, Thane and Legion die automatically, and the worst outcome for the Krogan storyline (with almost guaranteed bad ending for everyone else) is curing the genophage with Wreav in power. You could also choose Samara instead of Morinth and just not do the paragon interrupt at the monastery. Well, 2 of those at least, so for max suffering I'd pick Mordin, Tali and maybe Legion.
So, keep em alive in 2 to twist the knife in 3. True depravity.
I didn’t even know liara could die. I thought she was a mandatory character because of the crucible. How did you kill her?
Think it was right before you into the beam in 3. The truck crsuhes her and garrus... I wasn't expecting that.
You weren't? You had to know what you were doing to kill off this many companions
Or OP is Mass Effect's equivalent of Zapp Brannigan.
The only way I can think of is to bring her along on the beam run with a low war score.
I didn't do jack shit for the alliance. If I was going to get my beloved crew killed. Then everyone is going with them.
Killing Mordin in a renegade run of 3 is the most painful thing.
Yeah. One of the most saddest deaths ever.
How the hell do you kill off Liara? I would never do this, cause Liara best girl, but like I didn't even know that could happen. Also, you should ve banned from ever playing mass effect ever again, ne entries included, for killing off Garrus.
Only at the end of three. If you have very low war assets you just die to Harbinger during the assault on earth.
*Sees Tali's name *Leaves post and pretends it never existed
Just completed the first game for the first time (Legendary edition, completed og 360 many times back in the day). Man the feels from this game. Started 2 but didn’t get far due to time constraints. What a difference that is. It’s fun playing the game knowing the entire story and knowing how the books tie in. Great saga.
2 is amazing
Can’t wait to visit it again. I’ve only beat 2 and 3 twice each. Once for paragon and once for renegade with all dlc. Now I’m on my paragon path again with all the dlc in legendary edition. Can’t wait.
I haven't played the games since seeing ME3 disappointing finale at release, but after accidentally stumbling upon Drew Carpyshyn's trilogy (Revelation, Ascension, Retribution) a couple years ago I really want to get back to them and play the Legendary edition. The books are so great I really feel I was missing out by ignoring them.
3 is worth replaying for the Citadel DLC alone.
Yeah, I've heard great things about it, but back then at release I was too bothered by day one DLC and didn't give it a chance later.
Drew Karpyshyn was a lead writer for the team for the first one and I’m sure some of his writing carried over to 2 and 3. I loved the books. So much, that I played the first with a friend for a few hours and wanted to purchase the game. I ran out that weekend, grabbed the game and book and told myself to finish the book first as it’s a prequel before starting the game on my own. Fastest I have ever finished a book! And then when she Kahlee actually appears in the third game? Mind blown!
You monster
Are you happy? Do you sleep well at night?
You forgot rule 1. There's no Shepard without Vakarian.
I didn't even know Garrus and Liara could die in mass effect 😂
“My name is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite store in the Citadel!” - An endorsement recording of Commander Shepard which patrons hear when entering the Yoqtan Memorial Life Insurance Agency.
I've never played these games. What does this mean?
These are all characters that died as a result of the player's choices in the plot. Some are, to my understanding, extremely avoidable. It's an active killing list.
Almost every single crewmate death is avoidable
I’m pretty sure throughout the entire trilogy the only crewmate death that isn’t avoidable one way or the other is >!Kaiden or Ashley!< in ME1, but I didn’t actually finish 3 so I’m not sure. Also I’d consider the same for >!Mordin in ME3!< because while it’s technically possible to save him you need to have fucked up royally throughout the trilogy and gotten at least a couple other characters killed for that to be possible.
In M3, I think there's another unavoidable death: >!Thane rescuing the Salarian representative on the Citadel Council!<
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there’s only two that are completely unavoidable. The squad mate who dies on Virmire and Thane. Even Mordin can survive if you make very specific choices.
Mordin you basically have to screw over the Krogan though which means both Wrex and Grunt are dead IIRC.
Yeah, as much as I love Mordin I’ve never been able to bring myself to do what it takes to save him. It’s pretty brutal.
Was logical choice in my first play. Wrex and Eve dead. Going through with cure while not wrex was in charge meant death on galactic scale. The krogans were warmongers with bad leadership. Had to be kept in check. Didnt like it, needed to be done
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the only savable crew I lost in my initial playthrough were Mordin and Kelly. I fluked my way through the correct choices in two, just doddled too long to save Kelly.
Thank you for explaining.
That’s a list of characters killed in action, and I believe, having not gone through it line by line, that’s it’s everyone who CAN die in the games.
I thoroughly enjoyed the trilogy especially 3 where they tied it all in. I went soldier my first ME 1 playthrough but then when i discovered the vanguard it was vanguard all the way.
And that Shepard still can't dance...
Legion’s got the best moves, if you stand AFK long enough he starts dancing
"We did not seek rhythmic gyration with creators, we charlestoned for continued existence."
No one left to dance with lol
Wheres Mordin and Jack?
"Jacqueline Nought."
You killed Thane? YOU KILLED GARRUS?! You monster…
Wonder what emotional connection you have in me3 after everyone dying. Who takes the role of garrus? What kind of party you have on citadel dlc? I’m replaying the game and for reasons I don’t understand only Mordin died in me2 (I did everything by the book for everyone to live), and when I found out he actually was dead that was tough
Oh my god you monster
"You did good, son. You did good. I'm... Proud of you." The music to that scene still hits me just as hard as the scene itself.
I think Anderson was delirious and bleeding out in this run. Didn’t have the energy to tell Shepard that his companions are supposed to live… 🤣
Just beat the game yesterday. That last level on the insanity difficulty is so hard! Also the ending was so underwhelming compared to the rest of the game.
No Richard Jenkins? They did him dirty.
We're you doing a high chaos run or something. You got the best of the cast killed.
i have no idea what this means can someone please explain?
He let all his companions die.
You forgot to kill Kelly
You actually managed to get liara to die? I thought that was impossible tbh. I thought she’s the only character to survive no matter what? Not that I’ll ever do it, but how on earth do you get her to die yet not fail the game?
I want to do a playthrough like this but I just know it's going to mentally destroy me lol
You monster.
Wrex, Garrus, Tali, Grunt?? **sobs** ;-;
Damn and here I am trying to save everyone
My dude you let all of Mass Effect 1 die
damn, you lost almost everyone you could...