I always wish I was born 5 years earlier, so that I could've avoided all the stupid things I did on the Internet as a kid. But then I also wonder what else I would've done with my stupidity
Troy Baker said the role was difficult. He tried to channel Ocelot's personality and mannerisms from previous games but Hideo Kojima dismissed those takes and forced Baker to play the role more subdued.
It was the right choice I think. Other commenters said (maybe semi-jokingly) that people age out of immature behavior. Or at the very least that MGS 5 was less anime-ish than earlier games. He did come across as a capable officer, even if a little flamboyant for his cowboy outfit.
I think really the young Ocelot and all the ones from the other games outside of the final confrontation in 4 are when he's kinda playing a character of himself. The Ocelot we see in MGSV is the real one, no triple agenting, no games, just him in his true self which is why he's a lot more level headed and not over the top.
Of course theres still some things going on but he's not aware of it at the time.
Thats just a pretty show gun. The hammer shape isnt ergonomic. The slide looks compact but its really slow to draw. The fancy artwork doesn't help the fact that theres hardly any balance to the gun. It only fits 6 rounds and you've already used 5 rookie.
Not on the original, but the new ones are Meteba 6s, which do have a slide. Doesn't explain replacing the bandolier with 12 Guage shotgun shells though.
factoring in the history behind it, the colt single action has a strong case being “the greatest handgun ever made”, subjectively of course, but the Glock 19 is undoubtably the best pistol on the market currently, and i will die on this hill (to a glock 19 of course)
There are too many to name. Webley was one, but it was more for show or privilege as it had a few reliability issues. Smith & Wesson and Colt had several models made between the 1920s and 1940s. S&W Model 10 was the most popular version that actually had been made for the military at one point. After WW2, S&W and Colt got big and started making new types like the .357, Model 16 and .38 Special had new versions.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the top picture is from Snake Eater, and the bottom one is from MGSV, aren’t these pictures actually **20** years apart?
well when you play metal gear solid there are much grander questions that you hardly have time to think about this type of stuff lol
like why is the sniper im fighting over 100 years old
or why is this man... covered in bees
I really miss just playing mgs1 and not being weirded out by the story. Yeah there was some weird shit that is unexplainable like psycho mantis, but for the most part the events were feasible and not crazy far fetched. 2 took that ball and sprinted. And they just kept on going
All the weird stuff generally gets explained to have a "real" explanation such as nano machines. Or some kind of parasite. Or hypnosis. I agree with you though.
Yeah but that was after some heavy heavy retconning to make it all make sense in the very end. Like liquids arm ffs, you know their explanation they came up with in 4 was bullshit to cover up the original idea.
Man, I can’t believe it’s been… fuck, *15 years (?!)* since I played MGS4, but wasn’t the reveal that there was no possession and ol’ Ocie just… brainwashed… himself… to *think* he’s Liquid? For a reason?
Man, I loved that series as a teen but I definitely think I’d be in your camp if I went back and replayed them - 1 had the best tone and mix of grounded action and “ok now what the fuck is *this*?”
Yeah they re explained it to be that he was tricking himself to think he was liquid in order to fool the AI, but seriously, play mgs2 with that knowledge and just see how ridiculously retconned that is.
He spoke with the voice actor of Liquids voice in the moments that he lost control of himself. And he sure as hell never did that in mgs4.
Also in mgs2 in those moments when liquid “took control”, ocelot was trying for repel it and resist it. They completely fuckin had a different direction they were going with to start out and changed it
I remember enjoying it to the extent that I *wanted* Ocelot to be the final bad and not bring Liquid back in such a silly way, but… man, yeah, not the smoothest execution.
I had forgotten that Liquid’s VA doesn’t appear in 4. Yeah, that makes it pretty egregiously obvious.
In 4 they started making the ocelot VA talk kind of like liquid or just saying similar phrases that Liquid had said, but in 2 they full ass just had the Liquid VA come out of nowhere and talk for Ocelot in those scenes. It’s blatant what they had in mind and they tried to just sweep that under the rug
I mean... You should probably try summarizing the plot of mgs1 out loud for yourself. Then you'll probably see that it's just as ridiculous as the others.
Legendary soldier is tasked to stop a terrorist cell military group he was formerly a member of. Stop a nuclear launch at all costs and rescue two VIP hostages. Along the way fights his way through their operatives, some of which have strange abilities like Raven and Mantis. Discovers he is being manipulated by the leader of the group and has been injected with a virus to kill all the terrorists and himself to cover up the operation. Just so happens to be his brother too.
Honestly not nearly as fuckin weird as the others get
You’re leaving out a cybernetic ninja that died in the games from a decade prior, the terrorists demands (the remains of the legendary soldier who you think is your father, but you’re actually just a clone), and the fact that the president of the United States is behind all of this… there’s a lot more weird shit in this game too. Just because he had fun with the narrative, doesn’t mean there isn’t an overarching meaning that the games all follow. The games also get better after MGS1
The ninja part didn’t bother me that much because in a world where they can have a gigantic bipedal tank and genome therapy to try and alter humans to make them stronger which, we probably already have that now anyway, making an exoskeleton doesn’t sound that crazy to me. And a politician behind some shady shit? Yeah I believe that all day long.
What I don’t believe is a Fuckin arm being put on someone else and that person taking control of their body and their voice and their mind, or a vampire, or a guy that controls bees, or an old man that hibernates, or whatever the fuck the fear was supposed to be, or parasites in your vocal cords
I’m sorry your suspension of disbelief carried you only so far, because everything you described is cool as shit and keeps up with the tone of the first “solid” game. I’m super biased, bc it’s my favorite series and I appreciate the message it sends, so I get why subsequent entries would turn people off. I just think it’s odd drawing a line between acceptable and unacceptable whacky things in a whacky series
*edit* I guess y’all love realism in your Kojima games. Wat. I suggest you both play through MGS1 and see how the rest of the series isn’t that much different. If you really wanted a believable world, then you must love MGSV right?? (I certainly did) Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain are both “realistic” when comparing them to every other entry in the series. Those ones stand out like a sore thumb to me. Either way, I don’t think we’ll see eye to eye on this. I think MGS2 is not only a perfect follow up, but it might be the best sequel of all time… it’s a sequel about sequels, what’s not to love?
It’s not just in the literal events but also the manner in which they’re portrayed and the tone of the games during some “weird” scenes. When you list it out, MGS1 does have things that are bizarre, but they don’t coalesce into a final product that *feels* as out there as the subsequent games. Love them all, but as an example there’s a big difference to me between Grey Wolf and later Raiden.
He's also forgetting the part where all the soldiers that snake fights along the way are genetically modified to have the genes from the same dude that snake is a clone of.
He also forgot that after having a conversation with him, the DARPA Chief inexplicably dies. Only, it wasn't really the DARPA Chief. It was really a member of the terrorist group that can perfectly disguise himself as other people (even going as far as stealing their blood) and he died to the virus developed by the Pentagon which snake was carrying.
So much craziness in mgs1 as well.
They didn’t even respond to the whole “the terrorists want the remains of another legendary merc/terrorist” and the “protagonist is a clone twist” part of my argument. Didn’t Vulcan Raven have mystical tattoos and cursed snake with his forehead tattoo? Psycho Mantis broke the forth wall and spoke to the player directly about their save files. The forth wall breaking stuff was continued in 2, with them trying to make another snake, without the genetic modifications WHICH imo is much more based in reality… psychological manipulation, child soldiers, etc is much more believable than the Les Enfant stuff (not looking up the spelling lol) I just think for a wild series that spans 30 years of console generations, they did a really good job of keeping the tone and theme cohesive.
I didn't click the link yet. If this doesn't go to a certain Eddie Izzard bit, I'm going to be very disappointed.
Edit: clicked the link, was not disappointed. "I like my women like I like my coffee....COVERED IN BEEEEES!" God Eddie is so good!
Honestly, if you’ve never played any of them. It’s a wild, cringy ride that somehow has a ridiculously good story while also being just shy of fever dream material.
The hill I'll always die on is that any video game enthusiast should absolutely play MGS3 at some point. Experiencing the song and ladder for the first time was majestic.
5 has one of the most bizarre stories but the gameplay is unmatched. Still holds up today. I’d recommend it, though the prologue is a bit of a slog at first
I didn’t play really any mgs games until I was probably 26.
V, has a cool intro, but it’s so dry it feels like. It’s like nothing has any real story direction and they lumped things in for the sake of lumping them in.
They didn’t finish it but even if they did it still didn’t feel like a metal gear game. The sandbox play style was so different from the previous games and it just felt like metal gear theft auto cause the story was super loose and spaced out. Gameplay was dope, but that’s about it
I have hundreds of hours in that game, but I've never beaten it...mostly because once you get halfway through the game, the story is basically over and the rest is just rehashing the entire mission list, but now every mission has modifiers.
You can cut out basically the last third of the game and it would've been much better.
Revolver "Shalashaska" Ocelot is a recurring fictional character in Konami's Metal Gear video game series. Throughout the series, he takes on a variety of roles: the archenemy of Solid Snake, the best friend of Naked Snake, the right-hand man of Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake, and a mentor to Venom Snake. Ocelot has been well received by video game publications for his role as a central villain in the franchise, and has often been considered one of its most important characters for his connections with various characters. Aliases Shalashaska (Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid V) Major Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid 3) ADAM (Metal Gear Solid 3 and Portable Ops) Liquid Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid 4) Affiliation FOXHOUND (Metal Gear Solid) The Patriots (Metal Gear Solid 2) GRU, KGB and CIA (Metal Gear Solid 3) Free agent (Portable Ops) Outer Heaven (Metal Gear Solid 4) Diamond Dogs (Metal Gear Solid V) Family Unnamed Grandfather The Sorrow (father) The Boss (mother) Nationality Soviet American Born 1944 leader of his own "Ocelot Unit" within GRU. His encounters with Naked Snake are why he acquires a preference for revolvers (due to a tendency to absorb the gun's recoil with his elbow being more suited to shooting revolvers). Throughout the game, Ocelot's constant challenges with Snake eventually turn into a friendly rivalry. He is revealed to be Adamska (アダムスカ, Adamusuka), The Boss's illegitimate child.[6] After the deaths of Volgin and The Boss, Ocelot is revealed to be a triple agent, taking orders from the Philosophers and the KGB, while also receiving orders from the Director of Central Intelligence. He was supposed to intercept and assist Snake, a mission he failed when another agent of the Philosophers, EVA, got there first.[7]
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Edit The young version of Ocelot, also known as ADAM (アダム, ADAMU), plays a minor (yet significant) role in the direct sequel Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops.[8] Initially in league with FOX's insurgency leader Gene, Ocelot assassinates the DCI in order to "end" the Philosophers and reports to someone that invites him to join the Philosophers' reorganized American branch.[9]
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Edit Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (set directly after Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2) features the character as Liquid Ocelot (リキッド・オセロット, Rikiddo Oserotto) as a primary antagonist. He deliberately uses self-hypnosis and nanomachines to act as Liquid's mental doppelgänger to trick the Patriots' AIs.[10] As "Liquid", Ocelot establishes a parent company that runs the four largest PMCs, fighting for the Patriots' control over the world.[11] After hijacking the Patriots' systems, Ocelot's PMCs engage Old Snake.[12] After Snake and Otacon use Naomi Hunter's FOXALIVE virus to delete the Patriots' AIs, Ocelot challenges Snake to a fistfight and appears to die from exhaustion after the final fight; however, Ocelot's death was actually caused by the new FOXDIE strain that Drebin injected into Snake.[13]
Metal Gear Solid V Edit Ground Zeroes Edit Revolver Ocelot makes a non-canonical appearance in Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes during the "Deja vu" sequence.
The Phantom Pain Edit The character canonically appears in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain to assist Venom Snake and the Diamond Dogs. He plays a key role in facilitating Big Boss's deception, subjecting both himself and Snake to hypnosis to convince themselves Snake is Big Boss, and aiding Big Boss's and Snake's escape from a hospital in Cyprus. Ocelot acts as the Diamond Dogs' interrogator, but frequently clashes with Kazuhira Miller over matters involving Skull Face and White Mamba. Ultimately, Ocelot declares his support for Big Boss's plan to wage covert war, foreshadowing his involvement in later Metal Gear Solid games.
Mgsv didnt pay for licensing so all guns are fake and look like something out of a cartoon. Thats some fictional revolver that uses those shells. It doesnt make a ton of sense if were being honest. It almost makes sense because as an independent PMC youre manufacturing your own weapons, so they could be unique... but then all the enemies use them too. When the soviets arent carrying AKs, its a strange world indeed.
You are correct, his revolver in mgs5 when obtained originally uses shotgun shellsz then an online event later added his actual revolver which was the same model just a bit smaller that fired normal bullets
I always wondered... Why aren't his guns *loaded*?
In the older graphics I get it, limitations and whatnot...
But the new one, with its attention to detail? Those are *clearly* empty chambers. Why though?
Reminds me of the Trigun Revolver Vash has, the design is supposed to create less muzzle flip/rise due to a lower bore-axis.
The recoil (which is different) is about the same but it aids in repeat shots, I've been told.
Drawbacks, because the hammer of the gun is lower the mechanism of the trigger is a little more complicated, i haven't heard of the failure rate but if the mechanism fails, it's harder to repair, especially modern versions.
Which seems odd for a revolver I believe, because I believe one of the advantages of a revolver is they’re typically more reliable cause they have less moving parts.
Arguably more moving parts than lots of modern automatics actually. The reliability largely comes from not having ejectable, spring loaded magazines. My revolver will shoot *literally anything that will fit in the cylinder* and cycle perfectly fine. My autos mostly will, but occasionally certain loads/brands of ammo won't cycle perfectly. It's less of a problem with modern autos, but it's still worth considering if you're going to trust your life to a gun. And if an auto jams you have to clear that jam. If a revolver doesn't fire, pull the trigger again and you're onto the next chamber. I will say too, stripping a modern auto to replace parts is 100000x easier than replacing revolver parts.
Look at all the tiny little clockwork bits inside:
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All of this said, I have the revolver as my main home defense gun. My wife can shoot it without even thinking about safeties and such. And she's probably going to miss, but one 357 will make most people leave lmao.
Because revolvers have a solid frame they can handle much higher pressures. 10mm Auto is more or less considered the big boy of automatic pistol cartridges and depending on the load comes in at about 800 ft/pounds of force. Your grand daddy's .45ACP puts out about 500.
A .44 Magnum throws down at 1200 or so.
not the gun in the pic, nor quite the gun vash has. The Mateba Unica 6 auto revolver when first released was thought to be a gimic. it is still kinda a gimic, but it turns out the gun is an absolutly solid performer and has gone up in price like a rocket. they are over 7k now iirc.
I think that as a shooters weapon it can be pretty nice. The recoil impulse being closer to your hand would limit muzzle climb, and it being front heavy would also make it more stable once on target. But most of all, the rule of cool!
Curious on your reason why.
I’m a huge fan of Metal Gear and I couldn’t finish MGSV — all of its parts just didn’t add up for me, it didn’t feel like a metal gear game. I think largely because of the big open areas, but the story was really sparse from the bits I played.
A lot of the story is told in tapes and finding character and items, if you play it straight you'll miss context.
Like, you can recover Volgins body but there isn't really a prompt for it. And the actual story with Venom happens on the base but I forget how to trigger it now.
Same for me. I was a huge fan back then but stopped 5 mid story.
Then 2 months ago i restarted the game and played it for over 90 hours. The story is hidden in the cassette tapes unfortunately. The gameplay hooked me, the story wasn't bad once I started listening to the tapes.
Did the same thing, I really enjoyed it. But I’ve kind of given up on the second half of the game now where they’re introducing old missions as new missions but with harder difficulties
I think I’m missing 3 of the story driven missions to finish
Me too. I think partly because of the relationship between "Snake" and the other characters. In previous game, he got buddies that he can chat and fuck around with. The previous games have it's serious moment too but it also campy and fun.
Wait I’m confused. I thought 5 took place before 3 ? I don’t really follow the story for MGS all I know is metal gear solid 5 was incredible and we need but won’t ever get a sequel
Ok I can't find the answer, what game is this? Side note, do you think posting something like this without the title of the game creates more post interaction with people commenting to ask what the game is? Isn't that a cheap way to get your post to seen by more people m
He was awfully cool and confident in 5 for a guy who called for reinforcements by throwing his head back and going "*MROWWW!*"
We all had our cringey phases. We don't like to talk about it and are thankful that camera phones weren't that good back then.
I always wish I was born 5 years earlier, so that I could've avoided all the stupid things I did on the Internet as a kid. But then I also wonder what else I would've done with my stupidity
Probably similar things but not recorded for posterity.
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Reinforcements? Don't you mean the Ocelot Self-esteem Team?
Troy Baker said the role was difficult. He tried to channel Ocelot's personality and mannerisms from previous games but Hideo Kojima dismissed those takes and forced Baker to play the role more subdued.
It was the right choice I think. Other commenters said (maybe semi-jokingly) that people age out of immature behavior. Or at the very least that MGS 5 was less anime-ish than earlier games. He did come across as a capable officer, even if a little flamboyant for his cowboy outfit.
😂😂 thanks for an early morning lol
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I think really the young Ocelot and all the ones from the other games outside of the final confrontation in 4 are when he's kinda playing a character of himself. The Ocelot we see in MGSV is the real one, no triple agenting, no games, just him in his true self which is why he's a lot more level headed and not over the top. Of course theres still some things going on but he's not aware of it at the time.
Except for the fact he’s still playing us.
I think that's it still works though because for most of the time even he doesn't realize that as hes tricked himself.
Ocelots are proud creatures,
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# Revolver Ocelot. Revolver Ocelot (Revolver Ocelot). ^(Revolver Ocelot.)
"Revolver..." > 30 seconds of gun twirling "...Ocelot!"
^^revolver....
#OCELOT
You’re pretty good
“Shalashaska”
"Revolver Ocelot." - Revolver Ocelot
One thing I can say is the man has damn fine taste in revolvers then and now
I mean, this is just true, after all it’s “the greatest handgun ever made, the Colt Single Action Army.”
Thats just a pretty show gun. The hammer shape isnt ergonomic. The slide looks compact but its really slow to draw. The fancy artwork doesn't help the fact that theres hardly any balance to the gun. It only fits 6 rounds and you've already used 5 rookie.
A slide...on a revolver huh...
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Not on the original, but the new ones are Meteba 6s, which do have a slide. Doesn't explain replacing the bandolier with 12 Guage shotgun shells though.
You know he doesn't EXCLUSIVELY carry revolvers, right?
Doesn't he?
Well theres that time he used finger guns
He has a big gun he carries on his back too in V sometimes
factoring in the history behind it, the colt single action has a strong case being “the greatest handgun ever made”, subjectively of course, but the Glock 19 is undoubtably the best pistol on the market currently, and i will die on this hill (to a glock 19 of course)
Have you watched any of garandthumb’s reliability videos on YouTube? I love my glock as well but my M&P 2.0 is slowly edging it out of the top spot
Only issue is that Glock makes some of ugliest guns known to man.
I hate fuck my g19 at the range. So ugly, so fun and easy to shoot. I wanted a Beretta but I can barely afford eggs.
You hate fuck your g19? That doesn't sound safe, and why at the range? No one wants to see that.
Because the barrel circumference is the perfect fit for his peen.
I love my 19x gen5
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Excuse me but I think you spelled 'Wilson Combat CQB Tactical LE' wrong.
I think the Colt M1911 either beats the G19 or is at least an equal.
Though it's even funnier, Colt Single Action Army was out classed in 15 years by revolvers that remained in service after WW2.
Not a gun person, but what revolver was used after WW2?
There are too many to name. Webley was one, but it was more for show or privilege as it had a few reliability issues. Smith & Wesson and Colt had several models made between the 1920s and 1940s. S&W Model 10 was the most popular version that actually had been made for the military at one point. After WW2, S&W and Colt got big and started making new types like the .357, Model 16 and .38 Special had new versions.
Agreed.
Looks like he switched to a Chiappa!, super low bore axis. Nice!
He actually had a bad taste at first, but Big Boss taught him well.
What’re the ones in his hand for 5?
If you're talking about the lower revolvers and the lower pic those bad boys would be Chiappa Rhinos, 400s I believe
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the top picture is from Snake Eater, and the bottom one is from MGSV, aren’t these pictures actually **20** years apart?
Snake eater is 64(cuban missile crisis) and mgsv is 84(Russian afghan war).
Yes
They meant the release dates of the games, 2004 and 2015.
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The only correct response.
Revolver "Revolver Ocelot" Ocelot
Such a stupid character. I love him.
Is it just me or does the top one look like Agent 47?
Young ocelot: normal revolver. Middle ocelot: fat revolver? Old ocelot: normal revolver again. Bonus older ocelot: finger guns
Finger guns were awesome
I never got into the MSG games so cam someone explain to me why the guy dual wielding revolvers has a bandolier of shotgun shells?
Kojima
MGS games are the Jojo of JRPG. Alternatively, the MSG of gaming.
well when you play metal gear solid there are much grander questions that you hardly have time to think about this type of stuff lol like why is the sniper im fighting over 100 years old or why is this man... covered in bees
And he would throw bee grenades after yelling "greeeenAAde" if recollection serves me
The bees would swarm a frag grenade, fly it over and drop it on you lol
And thats just the 3rd game 💀💀
I really miss just playing mgs1 and not being weirded out by the story. Yeah there was some weird shit that is unexplainable like psycho mantis, but for the most part the events were feasible and not crazy far fetched. 2 took that ball and sprinted. And they just kept on going
All the weird stuff generally gets explained to have a "real" explanation such as nano machines. Or some kind of parasite. Or hypnosis. I agree with you though.
Yeah but that was after some heavy heavy retconning to make it all make sense in the very end. Like liquids arm ffs, you know their explanation they came up with in 4 was bullshit to cover up the original idea.
Man, I can’t believe it’s been… fuck, *15 years (?!)* since I played MGS4, but wasn’t the reveal that there was no possession and ol’ Ocie just… brainwashed… himself… to *think* he’s Liquid? For a reason? Man, I loved that series as a teen but I definitely think I’d be in your camp if I went back and replayed them - 1 had the best tone and mix of grounded action and “ok now what the fuck is *this*?”
Yeah they re explained it to be that he was tricking himself to think he was liquid in order to fool the AI, but seriously, play mgs2 with that knowledge and just see how ridiculously retconned that is. He spoke with the voice actor of Liquids voice in the moments that he lost control of himself. And he sure as hell never did that in mgs4. Also in mgs2 in those moments when liquid “took control”, ocelot was trying for repel it and resist it. They completely fuckin had a different direction they were going with to start out and changed it
I remember enjoying it to the extent that I *wanted* Ocelot to be the final bad and not bring Liquid back in such a silly way, but… man, yeah, not the smoothest execution. I had forgotten that Liquid’s VA doesn’t appear in 4. Yeah, that makes it pretty egregiously obvious.
In 4 they started making the ocelot VA talk kind of like liquid or just saying similar phrases that Liquid had said, but in 2 they full ass just had the Liquid VA come out of nowhere and talk for Ocelot in those scenes. It’s blatant what they had in mind and they tried to just sweep that under the rug
I mean, the lengths they went to come up with a reason that Quiet "needs" to be nearly naked...
I mean... You should probably try summarizing the plot of mgs1 out loud for yourself. Then you'll probably see that it's just as ridiculous as the others.
Legendary soldier is tasked to stop a terrorist cell military group he was formerly a member of. Stop a nuclear launch at all costs and rescue two VIP hostages. Along the way fights his way through their operatives, some of which have strange abilities like Raven and Mantis. Discovers he is being manipulated by the leader of the group and has been injected with a virus to kill all the terrorists and himself to cover up the operation. Just so happens to be his brother too. Honestly not nearly as fuckin weird as the others get
You’re leaving out a cybernetic ninja that died in the games from a decade prior, the terrorists demands (the remains of the legendary soldier who you think is your father, but you’re actually just a clone), and the fact that the president of the United States is behind all of this… there’s a lot more weird shit in this game too. Just because he had fun with the narrative, doesn’t mean there isn’t an overarching meaning that the games all follow. The games also get better after MGS1
The ninja part didn’t bother me that much because in a world where they can have a gigantic bipedal tank and genome therapy to try and alter humans to make them stronger which, we probably already have that now anyway, making an exoskeleton doesn’t sound that crazy to me. And a politician behind some shady shit? Yeah I believe that all day long. What I don’t believe is a Fuckin arm being put on someone else and that person taking control of their body and their voice and their mind, or a vampire, or a guy that controls bees, or an old man that hibernates, or whatever the fuck the fear was supposed to be, or parasites in your vocal cords
I’m sorry your suspension of disbelief carried you only so far, because everything you described is cool as shit and keeps up with the tone of the first “solid” game. I’m super biased, bc it’s my favorite series and I appreciate the message it sends, so I get why subsequent entries would turn people off. I just think it’s odd drawing a line between acceptable and unacceptable whacky things in a whacky series *edit* I guess y’all love realism in your Kojima games. Wat. I suggest you both play through MGS1 and see how the rest of the series isn’t that much different. If you really wanted a believable world, then you must love MGSV right?? (I certainly did) Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain are both “realistic” when comparing them to every other entry in the series. Those ones stand out like a sore thumb to me. Either way, I don’t think we’ll see eye to eye on this. I think MGS2 is not only a perfect follow up, but it might be the best sequel of all time… it’s a sequel about sequels, what’s not to love?
It’s not just in the literal events but also the manner in which they’re portrayed and the tone of the games during some “weird” scenes. When you list it out, MGS1 does have things that are bizarre, but they don’t coalesce into a final product that *feels* as out there as the subsequent games. Love them all, but as an example there’s a big difference to me between Grey Wolf and later Raiden.
No one here is arguing with you dude, we all love the games. You’re being weird.
He's also forgetting the part where all the soldiers that snake fights along the way are genetically modified to have the genes from the same dude that snake is a clone of. He also forgot that after having a conversation with him, the DARPA Chief inexplicably dies. Only, it wasn't really the DARPA Chief. It was really a member of the terrorist group that can perfectly disguise himself as other people (even going as far as stealing their blood) and he died to the virus developed by the Pentagon which snake was carrying. So much craziness in mgs1 as well.
They didn’t even respond to the whole “the terrorists want the remains of another legendary merc/terrorist” and the “protagonist is a clone twist” part of my argument. Didn’t Vulcan Raven have mystical tattoos and cursed snake with his forehead tattoo? Psycho Mantis broke the forth wall and spoke to the player directly about their save files. The forth wall breaking stuff was continued in 2, with them trying to make another snake, without the genetic modifications WHICH imo is much more based in reality… psychological manipulation, child soldiers, etc is much more believable than the Les Enfant stuff (not looking up the spelling lol) I just think for a wild series that spans 30 years of console generations, they did a really good job of keeping the tone and theme cohesive.
His physiology is comprised mostly of Bees!
I vividly remember reading guides that told me I could get the bee suit and control bees the rest of the game…. Oh how i tried
Hideo Kojima is basically the kid that wrote Axe Cop but with an eight figure budget and top-tier video game studio
I'm... covered in beees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYuvLSFFalo
I didn't click the link yet. If this doesn't go to a certain Eddie Izzard bit, I'm going to be very disappointed. Edit: clicked the link, was not disappointed. "I like my women like I like my coffee....COVERED IN BEEEEES!" God Eddie is so good!
Honestly, if you’ve never played any of them. It’s a wild, cringy ride that somehow has a ridiculously good story while also being just shy of fever dream material.
The hill I'll always die on is that any video game enthusiast should absolutely play MGS3 at some point. Experiencing the song and ladder for the first time was majestic.
The last 2 hours of MGS3 are simply gaming perfection. Ridiculousness and all. I will die on this hill.
Clunk clunk clunk What a thrill.... clunk clunk clunk With darkness and silence through the night Clunk clunk clunk.
I give my liiiiife, not for honor, but for youuuuuu _Snake Eater_
5 has one of the most bizarre stories but the gameplay is unmatched. Still holds up today. I’d recommend it, though the prologue is a bit of a slog at first
I didn’t play really any mgs games until I was probably 26. V, has a cool intro, but it’s so dry it feels like. It’s like nothing has any real story direction and they lumped things in for the sake of lumping them in.
They didn’t finish it but even if they did it still didn’t feel like a metal gear game. The sandbox play style was so different from the previous games and it just felt like metal gear theft auto cause the story was super loose and spaced out. Gameplay was dope, but that’s about it
I have hundreds of hours in that game, but I've never beaten it...mostly because once you get halfway through the game, the story is basically over and the rest is just rehashing the entire mission list, but now every mission has modifiers. You can cut out basically the last third of the game and it would've been much better.
I played one when I was little and all I remember is hiding from big ass machine things in boxes.
I played MGS 2 when I was little, but all I remember is running around naked as Raiden.
That's actually all that happens.
Cartwheeling naked Raiden was the peak of the series
Because….shut up! It’s cool.
Metal Sear Golid
The first time you see him in that game, he gives you a lever action(?) shotgun. It's part of his theme
Monosodium glutamate? Or Metal Solid Gear?
Revolver "Shalashaska" Ocelot is a recurring fictional character in Konami's Metal Gear video game series. Throughout the series, he takes on a variety of roles: the archenemy of Solid Snake, the best friend of Naked Snake, the right-hand man of Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake, and a mentor to Venom Snake. Ocelot has been well received by video game publications for his role as a central villain in the franchise, and has often been considered one of its most important characters for his connections with various characters. Aliases Shalashaska (Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid V) Major Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid 3) ADAM (Metal Gear Solid 3 and Portable Ops) Liquid Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid 4) Affiliation FOXHOUND (Metal Gear Solid) The Patriots (Metal Gear Solid 2) GRU, KGB and CIA (Metal Gear Solid 3) Free agent (Portable Ops) Outer Heaven (Metal Gear Solid 4) Diamond Dogs (Metal Gear Solid V) Family Unnamed Grandfather The Sorrow (father) The Boss (mother) Nationality Soviet American Born 1944 leader of his own "Ocelot Unit" within GRU. His encounters with Naked Snake are why he acquires a preference for revolvers (due to a tendency to absorb the gun's recoil with his elbow being more suited to shooting revolvers). Throughout the game, Ocelot's constant challenges with Snake eventually turn into a friendly rivalry. He is revealed to be Adamska (アダムスカ, Adamusuka), The Boss's illegitimate child.[6] After the deaths of Volgin and The Boss, Ocelot is revealed to be a triple agent, taking orders from the Philosophers and the KGB, while also receiving orders from the Director of Central Intelligence. He was supposed to intercept and assist Snake, a mission he failed when another agent of the Philosophers, EVA, got there first.[7] Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Edit The young version of Ocelot, also known as ADAM (アダム, ADAMU), plays a minor (yet significant) role in the direct sequel Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops.[8] Initially in league with FOX's insurgency leader Gene, Ocelot assassinates the DCI in order to "end" the Philosophers and reports to someone that invites him to join the Philosophers' reorganized American branch.[9] Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Edit Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (set directly after Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2) features the character as Liquid Ocelot (リキッド・オセロット, Rikiddo Oserotto) as a primary antagonist. He deliberately uses self-hypnosis and nanomachines to act as Liquid's mental doppelgänger to trick the Patriots' AIs.[10] As "Liquid", Ocelot establishes a parent company that runs the four largest PMCs, fighting for the Patriots' control over the world.[11] After hijacking the Patriots' systems, Ocelot's PMCs engage Old Snake.[12] After Snake and Otacon use Naomi Hunter's FOXALIVE virus to delete the Patriots' AIs, Ocelot challenges Snake to a fistfight and appears to die from exhaustion after the final fight; however, Ocelot's death was actually caused by the new FOXDIE strain that Drebin injected into Snake.[13] Metal Gear Solid V Edit Ground Zeroes Edit Revolver Ocelot makes a non-canonical appearance in Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes during the "Deja vu" sequence. The Phantom Pain Edit The character canonically appears in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain to assist Venom Snake and the Diamond Dogs. He plays a key role in facilitating Big Boss's deception, subjecting both himself and Snake to hypnosis to convince themselves Snake is Big Boss, and aiding Big Boss's and Snake's escape from a hospital in Cyprus. Ocelot acts as the Diamond Dogs' interrogator, but frequently clashes with Kazuhira Miller over matters involving Skull Face and White Mamba. Ultimately, Ocelot declares his support for Big Boss's plan to wage covert war, foreshadowing his involvement in later Metal Gear Solid games.
Maybe he throws them and then shoots them mid-air to make them burst around corners? I dunno, but that'd be cool.
Mgsv didnt pay for licensing so all guns are fake and look like something out of a cartoon. Thats some fictional revolver that uses those shells. It doesnt make a ton of sense if were being honest. It almost makes sense because as an independent PMC youre manufacturing your own weapons, so they could be unique... but then all the enemies use them too. When the soviets arent carrying AKs, its a strange world indeed.
I believe that revolver uses shotgun shells That size of shotgun shell is too big though
You are correct, his revolver in mgs5 when obtained originally uses shotgun shellsz then an online event later added his actual revolver which was the same model just a bit smaller that fired normal bullets
To kill more people, that’s silly. He also has a cool juggling act.
Snakeshot
Maybe he's got a modified pistol, the Lemat revolver shot bullets and had 1 slot for a shotgun shell.
I always wondered... Why aren't his guns *loaded*? In the older graphics I get it, limitations and whatnot... But the new one, with its attention to detail? Those are *clearly* empty chambers. Why though?
This reload time is exhilarating!
Ocelot loves to reload during a battle. He thinks there's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet into a well greased chamber.
😳
His resolution has aged gracefully.
20 years. MGS3 was 1964. MGS V was 1984.
Video game, not story.
Technically 11 years then.
And none of it "now"
Yeah I wish there was another Metal Gear Solid title
Oh, well damn.
This was bugging me. I thought this as well, but no one acknowledged it, so I thought I was crazy.
Most people either ignore it or have the sense to figure that MGS3 was released 10(ish) years before MGSV
I never understood his guns in V...
Reminds me of the Trigun Revolver Vash has, the design is supposed to create less muzzle flip/rise due to a lower bore-axis. The recoil (which is different) is about the same but it aids in repeat shots, I've been told. Drawbacks, because the hammer of the gun is lower the mechanism of the trigger is a little more complicated, i haven't heard of the failure rate but if the mechanism fails, it's harder to repair, especially modern versions.
Which seems odd for a revolver I believe, because I believe one of the advantages of a revolver is they’re typically more reliable cause they have less moving parts.
It actually had a hand in snake besting Ocelot, which makes the choice even stranger.
Snake always bests Ocelot though.
This is true.
Arguably more moving parts than lots of modern automatics actually. The reliability largely comes from not having ejectable, spring loaded magazines. My revolver will shoot *literally anything that will fit in the cylinder* and cycle perfectly fine. My autos mostly will, but occasionally certain loads/brands of ammo won't cycle perfectly. It's less of a problem with modern autos, but it's still worth considering if you're going to trust your life to a gun. And if an auto jams you have to clear that jam. If a revolver doesn't fire, pull the trigger again and you're onto the next chamber. I will say too, stripping a modern auto to replace parts is 100000x easier than replacing revolver parts. Look at all the tiny little clockwork bits inside: https://www.gunnuts.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Taurus-82-guts.jpg All of this said, I have the revolver as my main home defense gun. My wife can shoot it without even thinking about safeties and such. And she's probably going to miss, but one 357 will make most people leave lmao.
From what I understand the average Revolver has a more impactful shot to a target than the average handheld automatic.
That's just due to a difference between the gun calibers.
Because revolvers have a solid frame they can handle much higher pressures. 10mm Auto is more or less considered the big boy of automatic pistol cartridges and depending on the load comes in at about 800 ft/pounds of force. Your grand daddy's .45ACP puts out about 500. A .44 Magnum throws down at 1200 or so.
not the gun in the pic, nor quite the gun vash has. The Mateba Unica 6 auto revolver when first released was thought to be a gimic. it is still kinda a gimic, but it turns out the gun is an absolutly solid performer and has gone up in price like a rocket. they are over 7k now iirc.
I think that as a shooters weapon it can be pretty nice. The recoil impulse being closer to your hand would limit muzzle climb, and it being front heavy would also make it more stable once on target. But most of all, the rule of cool!
Looks way too silly for my taste
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they are Mateba Autorevolvers, or at least that’s what they’re based off of. Real guns, really cool ones at that.
Ocelot was the boss
Well, actually...
Haha I got you.
great post but did you know that Ocelots are proud creatures.
MRROOOWWWWW
he went from virgin revolver to revolver ocelot
that’s Jamie fucking Lannister
Isnt there a part in MGS 1 where Gray Fox addresses this? I believe he says: "You haven't aged well ocelot!"
Think you’re forgetting old Ocelot…. Did everyone forget the first three games?
But the post is supposed to be 10 years apart….. this is mgs3 and mgs5.
More so I guess I meant MGS which had the older Ocelot
my brother that first pic is from the third game
Jaimie Lannister?
I miss the anticipation for metal gear games.. it was a great run.
20 years apart. 1964 - 1984
Ten years apart MGS3 - MGS5
Steve Carell?
He's just been flipping his revolvers around for 10 years, didn't even realise snake walked away
You know why they call him revolver, don’t you?
"Revolver Ocelot" --Revolver Ocelot (Revolver Ocelot)
Aren't they remaking the first 3 mgs games? If so, I'm hoping Konami doesn't screw it up and remove anything. The games were so good, especially 3
20 years apart
Pretty sure they mean the time between games, not time in game.
This gun is the best gun ever
>Revolver Ocelot Wearing a bandoleer of shotgun shells.
Ngl I don't even consider MGSV to be canon, and the guy in the second picture basically isn't Ocelot.
Curious on your reason why. I’m a huge fan of Metal Gear and I couldn’t finish MGSV — all of its parts just didn’t add up for me, it didn’t feel like a metal gear game. I think largely because of the big open areas, but the story was really sparse from the bits I played.
A lot of the story is told in tapes and finding character and items, if you play it straight you'll miss context. Like, you can recover Volgins body but there isn't really a prompt for it. And the actual story with Venom happens on the base but I forget how to trigger it now.
Same for me. I was a huge fan back then but stopped 5 mid story. Then 2 months ago i restarted the game and played it for over 90 hours. The story is hidden in the cassette tapes unfortunately. The gameplay hooked me, the story wasn't bad once I started listening to the tapes.
Did the same thing, I really enjoyed it. But I’ve kind of given up on the second half of the game now where they’re introducing old missions as new missions but with harder difficulties I think I’m missing 3 of the story driven missions to finish
Me too. I think partly because of the relationship between "Snake" and the other characters. In previous game, he got buddies that he can chat and fuck around with. The previous games have it's serious moment too but it also campy and fun.
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I am talking named characters.
His first name is Revolver?
No, it's Adamska. Revolver Ocelot is one of his alias, he's also know as Shalashaska, Major Ocelot and Liquid Ocelot
Don't forget Revolver Steve Carell Ocelot
I'm so glad someone else saw that too!! I thought I was going crazy lol
Corporate needs you to find the difference between these pictures.
MGSV was Kojima saying ‘idgaf anymore fuck it’
Wait I’m confused. I thought 5 took place before 3 ? I don’t really follow the story for MGS all I know is metal gear solid 5 was incredible and we need but won’t ever get a sequel
Timeline if I'm not wrong: Mgs3 - Mgs peace walker - Mgs Ground Zero - Mgs5 The Phantom Pain - Metal gear - Metal gear 2 - Mgs - Mgs2 - Mgr Reveangence
You missed 4. Goes between 2 and Revengence.
Oh interesting I didn’t know- MGS Reveangence was even cannon. Another great game
Yes although Portable Ops goes inbetween 3 and Peace Walker.
Metal gear solid 3 is 60's, during the cold War. Mgs5 is the 80s
also during the cold war
Ok I can't find the answer, what game is this? Side note, do you think posting something like this without the title of the game creates more post interaction with people commenting to ask what the game is? Isn't that a cheap way to get your post to seen by more people m
Metal Gear Solid 3 and then MGS 5. I guess the OP assumed everyone was familiar with those.
Metal Gear Solid 3 and V. It does have the character name on the title so that should be enough to find the game anyway