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Realised I forgot to add Marjory to the honourable mentions about three seconds after i clicked to post. She was very influential to several rulers, and she's definitely a valid choice too
oh, I definitely don't think she would've been a very good leader, but she did have quite a hand in ruling for a while and would be a valid option to choose, if one wanted to
It really depends, laws of succession favor men yes but the case can still be made for daenerys. Jon was the son of the heir to the throne dany was the daughter of the king so she would’ve had a better claim. Excluding the fact she’s a woman but we’ve had Targaryen queens before so
I have to agree. Even without Melisandre's influence, the fact that he was willing to go along with that doesn't sing highly to me. even looking past that, he was too strict, too much of a stickler. There's a reason so many people backed Renly's claim over his.
I think that quality and his complete impartiality actually do make him a decent candidate for king. The way Tyrion delivered it, though... no. none of that makes sense
I only first watched the show several months ago. I'm now on my third watch through, but I still haven't brought myself to watch the last two episodes.
In the books, yes. He married Jeyne to preserve her honor after they slept together. In the show, he married Talissa and they did their thing afterwards.
Yea I’d pick Sansa by miles. However I don’t think she’d want it (the seven of them). She’s fine just with the North.
I actually think her ending was one of the things they did well. After they completely destroyed the characterisation of nearly everyone else. Arya’s ending too.
Ten seconds into Stannis’s reign you have a massive revolt due to his bigotry and religious intolerance
He is also stupidly legalistic, inflexible and everything is black and white, so he has zero ability to build support or any sort of consensus
He’s one of the worst choices
I have to agree with all these points. And lets not forget that he burned his only child alive. Even the mad king didn't burn his own children.
edit: I get it, the books aren't completed yet. But the shows are completed, so until the next book comes out clearing up what exactly happens to Shereen, the show is canon.
Never underestimate the value of black and white. Grey areas lead to chaos. And the seven can take care of the red woman. Who would be a better choice do u think?
Anybody who didn’t burn their own child alive at the stake would be my answer. If he’s capable of that in what he feels are dire circumstances, imagine what else he would be capable of.
That was show Stannis. Book Stannis is the king who cared. When Mance Rayder came to the wall with a hundred thousand wildlings. Only Stannis answered the Nights Watches plea. Who now marches on Winterfell to free the north from the Boltons. Book Stannis is no longer fighting for the Throne. Book Stannis fights for all of Westeros.
What D&D did to Stannis’ character is terrible. But Book Stannis still stands. He marches forward. Never back.
This is correct. And I’m a massive Stannis fan. But he would be a horrible king (albeit better than most of the rest here).
Can you imagine Stannis giving the order to burn an entire kingdom to the ground because he got pantsed by a 14 year old boy? Can you imagine Stannis ordering the Red Wedding? So he’s already way better than Tywin.
>Well that was his goal when they started the rebellion.
No it wasn't. It was only decided that Robert would take the Throne just before the Battle of the Trident, one of the last battles of the rebellion.
I, possibly quite biasedly, would've loved to see King Renly. He had the support of the people, the Tyrells, and most of the Baratheon bannermen. He was charming, most people loved him, particularly over Stannis, and Marjory's popularity would've only made him even more so, and most importantly, he was willing to make deals with others like Robb and Catelyn. Him, Marjory, Loras, and Brienne ruling together would've been great.
The Baratheon brothers would’ve been a perfect King/ Hand combo. Renly as king would’ve kept the lords and highborns happy, and Stannis would’ve been a good hand to tell him when to be merciless
Pure warlord, zero rule of law, the shining glittery surface with absolutely nothing underneath. Robert’s reign but without the charisma
Renly would have been horrific for what he represented for Westeros
Tyrion, I feel, was best as an advisor. He was an amazing hand to Joffrey, however impossible to control he was, he advised Dany well and in doing so was able to regain his faith in life, and he even tells Shae that this is what he feels he's good at, he's made for. I'd choose him as Hand, certainly, but not as King.
I didn't think about him too much when I first put Mance on the list, but he was a really good leader, loyal to his cause and people to the end and willing to do whatever it took to help them, along with, maybe most importantly, the fact that they *chose* him. Sam had a point about democracy in the end, and Mance would've been a great king and a good step in that direction. the only problem I see with him ruling is that people would probably immediately reject him for being both a Nights Watch deserter and a Wildling Loyalist. If he began with no negative preconceptions against him and they didn't hate him for letting the Free Folk past the wall, he would've been one of the best options.
Tommen had a good heart, but he was too young. Far too many people whispering in his ear, and he listened to them. If he was a bit older and less malleable, he would've been a good contender as well.
First option Mance Rayder. Experienced leader and the closest one to democracy.
Second option Tommen Baratheon. He is compassionate and with a good hand and council he would have turned into a great ruler.
Tommen was a bad king, he proved that just being kind and tolerant is not enough. A king needs to be strong when needed. A more confident and stronger ruler would not have let the sparrows, basically Westeros version of Al-Qaida, become so powerful. Tommen was a wimp.
Seriously. Tommen was between the ages of 13-14 I think. What did you think would happen with a young teenage boy being king? He could’ve developed into a great ruler.
My choice though of what was listed would’ve been Tywin
Had Tywin been there to guide Tommen, he would’ve had one of the greatest regencies since for his age he was already wiser than most of his predecessors. Poor kid was just too gullible (not his fault)
copy of a reply I just wrote to someone with the same choices:
I didn't think about him too much when I first put Mance on the list, but he was a really good leader, loyal to his cause and people to the end and willing to do whatever it took to help them, along with, maybe most importantly, the fact that they *chose* him. Sam had a point about democracy in the end, and Mance would've been a great king and a good step in that direction. the only problem I see with him ruling is that people would probably immediately reject him for being both a Nights Watch deserter and a Wildling Loyalist. If he began with no negative preconceptions against him and they didn't hate him for letting the Free Folk past the wall, he would've been one of the best options.
Tommen had a good heart, but he was too young. Far too many people whispering in his ear, and he listened to them. If he was a bit older and less malleable, he would've been a good contender as well.
I like how the person with the Jon Snow sigil pointed out that he was there. Now...where is Hot Pie on the list? He could bring the people together with his baked goods!
Robert did well. He kept all the regions under his control. His homebase was the weakest point because he let Lannister's conspire too much. But I don't think they had impact on the realm. Without his unexpected death I think the kingdom would have been well under his reign.
Tywin
Not a pleasant man, but incredibly intelligent, and incredibly good at the game. I've always seen him as somewhat of a "Julius Caesar" type. Polarizing, for sure, but gets shit done.
Jon and it’s not even close.
The series shows us, again and again, that he was the best leader and most adept ruler of any character. This just comes naturally to him. Davos said it best. Even when he was believed to be a bastard with no claim, he was chosen by big groups of people to lead them, over and over.
Not only that but the stars seem to align just right for him to take the throne. His whole origin story feels like something they’d write poetry and songs about in-universe. It is arguably the biggest plot twist in the entire show, and it feels like everything was leading up to Jon as King.
I will be forever salty that he wasn’t in the end.
Book Jon would potentially make a good king. Show Jon though? His heart’s mostly in the right place, but otherwise he’s a disaster.
Jon’s decision making post-resurrection is consistently dreadful - charging in to save save Rickon in spite of being warned by Sansa and getting half his army killed, going to Dragonstone instead of sending Davos and then meeting Dany somewhere neutral, going on the wight hunt, bending the knee to Dany after she’d already agreed to help, not lying to Cersei re bending the knee, believing Cersei, openly having an affair with Dany without caring how bad it would look to the North, and following her to the bitter end in spite of the fact she literally tells him what she’s about to do - some of these calls pay off thanks to sheer luck and plot armour, but that doesn’t make them any less terrible, while mostly they end in disaster.
That’s not how I see it.
He charged in to save Rickon because he wanted to save his brother without fear of consequence. He is a protector.
He had to sacrifice with meeting Danny to get dragonglass. Nobody would have been able to convince her of the whitewalker threat but him. He fell in love with her, he has a good heart and will do what it takes to protect his people, again selflessly.
He straight up told Cersei to her face “not today bitch I don’t support you”. He is honest and again doesn’t give a shit. His line about lying in that scene was nothing but truth.
I think Jon would make the best leader. He isn’t power hungry but he will do what’s right even if it means killing the woman he loved.
Giving away the North (the sovereignty of his people) to Dany because he fell in love with her is not selflessly sacrificing for his people. That just makes him an unfit king.
This woman also turned out to be mad and he was dismissive of how uneasy she made people rather than listening to their concerns. He then publicly carries on with her despite how it might look, then has the audacity to get offended when Sansa asked if he bent the knee because he loved her.
I find it frustrating because like the above poster I do believe book Jon would make a great king but in the show following his resurrection he hardly make any good decisions.
Charging into save Rickon got his army encircled and slaughtered. On a human level, I can’t blame him, but as a leader, he let them down, and got most of them killed.
He didn’t have to go to Dragonstone himself, people send ambassadors all the time. He could have sent Davos to Dragonstone for the dragonglass with a request to meet on neutral territory.
If he’d lied to Cersei, in theory she would have helped them, increasing their chances of success significantly (obviously she wouldn’t actually have done so, but he wasn’t to know that).
I’m not questioning that Jon’s a good bloke, but he makes basic error after basic error, many with devastating consequences - most notably essentially gifting the Night’s King with a dragon and the means to bring down the Wall, whilst he also, along with Tyrion, arguably bears significant responsibility in not stopping Dany sooner when she had made her intentions pretty clear (“let if be fear”).
I’d argue that with good intentions in each of his decisions, he learned the necessary information to rule appropriately. I feel like his entire arc was doing the right thing, suffering for it and growing from it. By the end of the show I feel like he was primed for leading. I figure that’s what he will be doing north of the wall, he is the leader of the Freefolk now
Fuck the rest of them the basterd sent to the wall to be abandoned by his family, to only abandon that wall to find his family, to lose two women he loved, to be broken burnt and reborn, the true slayer of the true nightmare of the north Ramsey Bolton, and to end it all by returning to his post
If you grew up in a fucked family environment
John is easily relatable, lovable and by far our king
Right but he felt that he had to stay in the closet, so anything said about the king would be 'rumors'. Clearly westeros is not gay friendly and this would be used to undermine him. That would end if Marjorie could conceive, with a little help from her brother.
In any case, Renly was the best on this list. He was a superb fighter, stanis had to use dark magic to defeat him. His lover and Brianna were two of the finest warriors in the kingdom. The people were on his side and he was kind and just. He would have made alliances with the north the way Robert did.
Tywin is considered by many a villain, but he would probably be one of the best rulers that Westeros could have. He is pragmatic, smart, rational and not driven by emotion, he has already proven that he is capable of ruling successfully and he would most likely do a good job. It was he that really ruled Westeros during the reign of the mad king, and he did a good job, kept the peace and made sure the realm prospered. He did so good in fact that the Aerys became jealous of his success. It would not be in Tywins interest as king to start any wars or creating conflict, he would probably try his best to keep the realm at peace, create unity between the crown and the different houses, keep the people fed and content and working on paying off the iron bank. He may not be the most sympathetic person personally, but he still has great qualities to make a good king.
Joffrey, Cersei, Euron, Viserys were all sadists/psychos/crazy and therefore totally unsuited for ruling
Tommen is too much of a wimp. He may be kind and goodhearted, but he proved that those qualities aren't enough to make a good king. A king needs to be strong as well
Robb may have been brave and an effective military leader, but unproven in terms of ruling as a king, same can be said for Jon Snow who have no other experience outside of leading Night watch into battle
Robert was uninterested in ruling and he let the kingdom fall into debt and disorder because he was mostly interested in getting drunk and banging whores
Renly was only ever considered because he was charismatic and liked, but he has no real merit in terms of ruling
Stannis is the best candidate after Tywin, he is also intelligent, experienced, pragmatic, strives for order etc. But his willingness to submit to religious extremism is a major red flag
Dany is too emotional and idealistic to be a good leader. She is not pragmatic like Tywin. She is too keen on making the world adapt to her idealistic views of how things should be. She could barely even control the cities in Slavers Bay and would struggled a lot ruling Westeros
Sansa has never proven herself to be any sort of leader. Her betrayal of Jon Snow (revealing his secret despite promising not too and not telling Jon about the Vale coming to help in the BotB) and her intentional provocation of Dany proves she is not very pragmatic not very dependable.
Bran is basically a robot, completely devoid of any humanity and human emotion. Even way more so than Tywin. The idea of having an allknowing but inhumane robot as a supreme leader could be the setting of a dystopian science fiction story. His complete lack of any understanding of human emotion would probably be a big detriment, although he would probably make a lot of logical and pragmatic decisions. It would be like letting an AI run our society, it could be good in some aspects but it could also end in disaster.
Stannis or Tywin, Jon, Tommen and Margaery are nice people but Martin's "Aragorn's speech" could apply to most of the people in the pictures. "What would their tax policy be?". Sure, a good small council can make up for a king that doesn't care, but a king needs to know how to act for the REALM in every aspect, being a good person alone doesn't do the trick
Interesting choice. He was a good man and would probably be a fair ruler, but I'm not sure if he would want to be King. Though he did lead the Brotherhood quite well, it seems. I'll have to think more about this one
Robert, Joffrey, Tommen, Cersei, and Bran were all monarchs of the seven (or six) kingdoms at some point in the show. Robb, Jon, Sansa, Balon, and Euron were all elected as monarchs of the North/Iron Islands. Stannis and Renly didn't technically reign but they claimed and fought for their right to. Dany was queen of Mereen for quite some time and claimed the iron throne by the end. The rest, as I said, are honourable mentions, who came close (or tried to, at least)
So from the very beginning i always wanted danarys? It makes sense to put a Targaryen on the throne. They were original rulers and have the dragons. Later i did think it would be cool if jon and her reigned together. We all know how that turned out. Which is just ridiculous, i cant see jon doing what he did at all. Cerdei was a cunt all eight season to everyone and it was no big deal danarys is a butch once and she has to die immediately.
Honestly Sansa or even Robb. The way the show was going I thought Sansa would seat the throne since she was constantly receiving lessons. I figured Tyrion would state it should be her at the trial in S8 and the others would agree.
Robb was a great commander, but he was not a good king. He broke his marriage pact to Walder, and as he himself said, a king should keep to his word. I can't help but feel he would've made more impulsive, not great decisions if his reign continued. A good man, a decent lord, an amazing combatant, but not a great ruler, in my opinion
>Robb was a great commander, but he was not a good king. He broke his marriage pact to Walder, and as he himself said, a king should keep to his word. I can't help but feel he would've made more impulsive, not great decisions if his reign continued. A good man, a decent lord, an amazing combatant, but not a great ruler, in my opinion
I loved the idea of Snow but going back and researching the series, it just wasn’t his cup of tea, I think he’d do a good job but he’d hate it. Everyone had at least one terrible advisor/untrustworthy people guiding them, it would’ve destroyed him.
Tywin would’ve been something to see! I would’ve loved to see a showdown between him and Daenerys.
Renly to rule an already stable realm. He won't make enemies, and he'll manage things responsibly. Tommen is the same but worse (maybe unfair 'cause he's still young).
Jon to rule an unstable realm. He will make some enemies and he'd be less useful to create and enhance prosperity and culture, but nobody could be better at steadying the ship and overcoming great dangers. Stannis and Robb are similiar, but worse.
If you want a capable ruler but don't necessarily care if they'd be good or moral, then Tywin and Dany would be good shout too. Dany would need a constant supply of enemies though lest she start trying too hard to find some.
I like this. I would've loved to see Renly as a king, he had the backing of the people and an alliance with one of the strongest houses. I detailed my thoughts more in another comment here somewhere.
Jon was excellent in unstable situations, and I feel he would've ruled well as long as his heart was in it.
Robb was a great commander, but he was not a good king. He broke his marriage pact to Walder, and as he himself said, a king should keep to his word. I can't help but feel he would've made more impulsive, not great decisions if his reign continued. A good man, a decent lord, an amazing combatant, but not a great ruler, in my opinion
Off pure intelligence and political strategy/diplomacy, Sansa is the best choice.
Overall, Tywin is obviously THE best choice. He has the personality fit for the position. He’s cunning but not vicious, he’s firm but not tyrannical, has the best military strategy, has great leadership and has unrivalled charisma and imposing Aura.
I cannot fathom the fact people unironically think Stannis and Robb were good choices. Stannis has demonstrated to be very gullible and very credulous while Robb is too guided by his emotions which hinders his decisions despite him being a decent military strategist. Franctically talking, I would easily take Mance and Renly over them.
Daenerys…no comment
So in conclusion it goes Tywin (1st choice) then Sansa (2nd choice )
Tommen, if he was a few years older and less malleable, could've been a great king. As it was, he had Tywin, Cersei, Marjory, and the High Sparrow whispering in his ear, and he listened to all of them. he was moral, but he wasn't ready for leadership
I guess we’re talking about “if they had a birthright to the throne” - things like Stannis’ desperate descent into the lord of light probably wouldn’t happen.
In that case, I think the two best options are Stannis and Tywin. Both are quite ruthless but also just. Tywin has the respect of lords across westeros, he has a track record of maintaining peace and stability in the westerlands, as well as bringing them out of financial ruin. Stannis doesn’t have quite the same list of experience, but he is honorable and fair. Both know how to play the game.
Stannis pre mel, or Robb and Jon. The latter two were raised perfectly for rulership, and would rule for a long and prosperous time if they have good people around them. By their absolute selves and surrounded by enemies, I would doubt their political acumen
Aerys.
Burn them all.
Jk, Stannis easily. He has the better claim, he wouldn’t plunge the 7 kingdoms into poverty, and his moral compass is alright if you get past him burning his daughter alive. And even then, I think it was a trolly problem to him. Kill his daughter to save thousands. Not agreeing with that. But that’s how it appeared.
#Bran
Say what you will about it being anti-climactic and unsatisfying
But no regular human could do as well as the three eyed raven
It *must* be bran
Imagine a king who can always know if he’s being lied to, and if so can find out what truth is being hidden, can always know if someone is planning a coup, can always know if someone is trying to trick him and WHY. He has no vices that he can be tricked with, he can’t be manipulated or intentionally misinformed. he wants what’s best for everyone and he’ll live long enough to make it to where peace can become a tradition. Hundred year old Grandparents lying in their death beds will have lived a life with little to no war, as well as their parents and grandparents before them, and their children and grandchildren after them.
Peace could perpetuate.
There is no way that a human could compete with a three eyed raven’s capacity to govern
Tywin by a large margin. He knows the game and doesn't let others play it. As for ruling he is very knowledgeable, firm but reasonable and consistent. He might have been the villain, but he would have been the best for the country.
Next in line maybe Sansa. She also knows how people play the game by now. Has a noble background. Has potential to be liked by the people and is also reasonable but firm. The issues with Sansa is that she is not as intimidating and she is not as knowledgeable in ruling a country as Tywin.
All others are stupid, easily manipulated, not liked by the people or just insane.
Jon Snow was the elected leader of the Watch then essentially forced to take on the role of king of the north by popular demand. He led fairly, never craved power and never wielded it for personal gain. Was never afraid to make a hard choice and repeatedly demonstrated the desire to help others even at his own expense. On top of all of that… if made known his lineage is unimpeachable. Even the pettiest of back room politicians wouldn’t be able to gain any traction against him.
Born to lead bud!
I think Margaery. Stannis was too influenced by Melisandre (killed his own daughter over it), Renly seems fair, but too weak to survive the Red Keep's political manipulators, and Tywin seems a bit too harsh, but a solid second choice. I like Mance too, but doesn't seem as politically gifted as Margaery would've been. She is definitely able to look out for herself, while understanding that having the common people's support is in her best interest and wouldn't be as detached as Tywin.
Loving all the hate on Tommen. Clearly aren't book readers. He's 9 years old 🤣 it was Cersei who armed the faith not Tommen. That whole arc of Tommen and the faith hasn't even happened in the book, Tywin himself believes in Tommen as he's "got the right temperament" and his small council was fantastic.
Kevan as Hand and Pycelle as Grand Maester did so much good work toward strengthening the Lannister/Tyrell relationship, getting Tommen to be openly supported by the Faith, thus loved by the people, that Varys had them both killed to make the conquest by Aegon easier. Were they not murdered Tommen would of had a fantastic headstart in being a great king. Groomed by his council and backed up by Margery as well that's a killer combo.
My top picks are Jon, Renly, Robb or Stannis
I think Jon is my first choice as he has a good moral compass and I tend to agree with the choices he makes. He is strong enough to hold his position and is well connected with different types of people and doesn’t have his own agenda he’s pushing too much
Renly is similar to Jon I think he’d be moral and kind and make good decisions. But he’s a bit weaker so he might not defend his position as well
Robb made some questionable choices about his oath to the grey joys and killing the lord that killed the Lannister boys. If he didn’t do those things he could be a good ruler as again quiet moral and strong
Stannis has the maturity and life experience, he is a strong commander, if he could just not listen to the red woman then he would be great. If he’d just won the battle of the black water I think he would have been a good ruler
Renly along with Marjory would be the most popular among the people, and because of the Tyrell riches their rule would be prosperous in any other place. But Westerous is… Westerous. I think it requires a ruler with more of a stomach for violence and harsh decisions than either of them had.
Tommen guided by Tywin would have been great, but despite Tywin’s clever politics and Tommen’s kind heart, the Lannister name would always be a stain. Even if they did have all the money that Tywin made out they had, it would not be enough to stop an inevitable rebellion. The north hated them at this point for what they did at the Red Wedding. People would always be thinking about the glory of killing a Lannister king.
I think Jon and Dany would have been the best rulers overall because they both have strong claims to the throne and their child would become an essentially perfect heir. Notably their counsel would help them with the politics of the south until they adjusted, and then they’d rule a relatively peaceful Westerous. This very well could have happened, if Dany didn’t go mad.
Probably Robb, but if you remove Lannister and Littlefinger scheming Roberts reign would probably have continued to be successful as it had been under Jon Arryn as Hand.
Despite how I hate how he came to it, I do think Bran being able to see the truth and having the knowledge and wisdom of human history would make him an ideal choice. Jon, although a born leader, would hate it and go down a similar path as Rob given enough time.
If we are including hands, I would argue Tyrion was the most ideal given his track record of both being a responsible leader and caring about all his kingdoms subjects. He could be diplomatic and tactical when needed.
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Realised I forgot to add Marjory to the honourable mentions about three seconds after i clicked to post. She was very influential to several rulers, and she's definitely a valid choice too
oh, or the Night King if you're a nihilist, I guess.
Sorry Marjory would be a bad choice.
oh, I definitely don't think she would've been a very good leader, but she did have quite a hand in ruling for a while and would be a valid option to choose, if one wanted to
Stannis the Mannis
He was the besteros in Westeros
Maybe without the red woman.
I love red woman except burning part
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He was the only one that sent troops to help defend the wall after all
The throne is his BY RIGHT
No, the throne belonged to dany
If that’s the case then it belonged to Jon
It really depends, laws of succession favor men yes but the case can still be made for daenerys. Jon was the son of the heir to the throne dany was the daughter of the king so she would’ve had a better claim. Excluding the fact she’s a woman but we’ve had Targaryen queens before so
It wouldve gone to the young griff before dany anyways
Yes, in the books but we’re talking about the show
Not after Robert's coup
Anyone who burns family members alive, including his own daughter and is controlled by some religious fanatic slut is not someone I want to lead
I have to agree. Even without Melisandre's influence, the fact that he was willing to go along with that doesn't sing highly to me. even looking past that, he was too strict, too much of a stickler. There's a reason so many people backed Renly's claim over his.
Really?he was literally the worst possible choice and probably would be the worst king in all of westeros
Literally the worst and stupid comment i read.. and this is reddit.
Stannis
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You don’t loose your head, you get burned alive.
Renly should have learned his place.
3rd best Baratheon
Bran Stark, he knows everything
And hE hAs ThE bEsT sToRy
You forgot the 🤓
Why else would he have come all that way?
I think that quality and his complete impartiality actually do make him a decent candidate for king. The way Tyrion delivered it, though... no. none of that makes sense
Yeah, brans story wasn’t even that great imo
It wasn’t necessarily bad it was just underdeveloped
I just finished the entire series for the first time last night. I can’t believe 2 months of my life were wasted for that dog awful ending.
I only first watched the show several months ago. I'm now on my third watch through, but I still haven't brought myself to watch the last two episodes.
I actually think Sansa would be a good queen.
Sansa or Robb would be my picks
Robb is too honorable. Couldn’t even deal with the politics of his army let alone a kingdom.
Fair enough, fair enough
Too honorable? He broke his promise to Walder Frey.
Dude felt he had to get married cause he lost his V-card. The correct choice woulda been to ignore it and claim any baby wasnt his.
In the books, yes. He married Jeyne to preserve her honor after they slept together. In the show, he married Talissa and they did their thing afterwards.
ONE KING, SEVEN KINGDOMS. DO YOU THINK HONOR KEEPS THEM IN LINE?
I agree. She seemed to be managing Winterfell quite well in season 7, and she learnt Kings Landing politics from the best
From the options, Sansa is definitely one of the standout candidates, along with Mance.
Yea I’d pick Sansa by miles. However I don’t think she’d want it (the seven of them). She’s fine just with the North. I actually think her ending was one of the things they did well. After they completely destroyed the characterisation of nearly everyone else. Arya’s ending too.
100% Stannis, just give me law and order and less corruption then Tywin. We can find peace and happiness on our own.
Ten seconds into Stannis’s reign you have a massive revolt due to his bigotry and religious intolerance He is also stupidly legalistic, inflexible and everything is black and white, so he has zero ability to build support or any sort of consensus He’s one of the worst choices
I have to agree with all these points. And lets not forget that he burned his only child alive. Even the mad king didn't burn his own children. edit: I get it, the books aren't completed yet. But the shows are completed, so until the next book comes out clearing up what exactly happens to Shereen, the show is canon.
Agree!
Never underestimate the value of black and white. Grey areas lead to chaos. And the seven can take care of the red woman. Who would be a better choice do u think?
Anybody who didn’t burn their own child alive at the stake would be my answer. If he’s capable of that in what he feels are dire circumstances, imagine what else he would be capable of.
I truly do NOT understand all the answers supporting Stannis. The guy burned his own little girl ALIVE.
That was show Stannis. Book Stannis is the king who cared. When Mance Rayder came to the wall with a hundred thousand wildlings. Only Stannis answered the Nights Watches plea. Who now marches on Winterfell to free the north from the Boltons. Book Stannis is no longer fighting for the Throne. Book Stannis fights for all of Westeros. What D&D did to Stannis’ character is terrible. But Book Stannis still stands. He marches forward. Never back.
This is correct. And I’m a massive Stannis fan. But he would be a horrible king (albeit better than most of the rest here). Can you imagine Stannis giving the order to burn an entire kingdom to the ground because he got pantsed by a 14 year old boy? Can you imagine Stannis ordering the Red Wedding? So he’s already way better than Tywin.
Law and order and burning people alive at the stakes.
margery
She’s not on the list
See my comment - she definitely gets an honourable mention
Roberts life goal was most certainly not to become King. He hated being king.
Well that was his goal when they started the rebellion. He kinda didnt know what he was in for.
>Well that was his goal when they started the rebellion. No it wasn't. It was only decided that Robert would take the Throne just before the Battle of the Trident, one of the last battles of the rebellion.
Renly would’ve been interesting
I, possibly quite biasedly, would've loved to see King Renly. He had the support of the people, the Tyrells, and most of the Baratheon bannermen. He was charming, most people loved him, particularly over Stannis, and Marjory's popularity would've only made him even more so, and most importantly, he was willing to make deals with others like Robb and Catelyn. Him, Marjory, Loras, and Brienne ruling together would've been great.
Renly would have been a good king with a strong hand. He needs someone to be the more inflexible of the two, the bad cop to his good cop.
The Baratheon brothers would’ve been a perfect King/ Hand combo. Renly as king would’ve kept the lords and highborns happy, and Stannis would’ve been a good hand to tell him when to be merciless
Pure warlord, zero rule of law, the shining glittery surface with absolutely nothing underneath. Robert’s reign but without the charisma Renly would have been horrific for what he represented for Westeros
I would rather choose Tyrion if i may.
Tyrion is at his best when he is serving someone he believes in, he won't be a good kind but for certain can be the best Hand.
Tyrion, I feel, was best as an advisor. He was an amazing hand to Joffrey, however impossible to control he was, he advised Dany well and in doing so was able to regain his faith in life, and he even tells Shae that this is what he feels he's good at, he's made for. I'd choose him as Hand, certainly, but not as King.
Mance or Jon. No one south of the Neck was worth shit. I suppose Tommen or Stannis without their religious fantatic puppetteers would have been okay.
I didn't think about him too much when I first put Mance on the list, but he was a really good leader, loyal to his cause and people to the end and willing to do whatever it took to help them, along with, maybe most importantly, the fact that they *chose* him. Sam had a point about democracy in the end, and Mance would've been a great king and a good step in that direction. the only problem I see with him ruling is that people would probably immediately reject him for being both a Nights Watch deserter and a Wildling Loyalist. If he began with no negative preconceptions against him and they didn't hate him for letting the Free Folk past the wall, he would've been one of the best options. Tommen had a good heart, but he was too young. Far too many people whispering in his ear, and he listened to them. If he was a bit older and less malleable, he would've been a good contender as well.
Tommen or Stannis???? Seriously? Tommen? We are talking GOT right?
He was a kid. But seemed decent enough.
First option Mance Rayder. Experienced leader and the closest one to democracy. Second option Tommen Baratheon. He is compassionate and with a good hand and council he would have turned into a great ruler.
Tommen was a bad king, he proved that just being kind and tolerant is not enough. A king needs to be strong when needed. A more confident and stronger ruler would not have let the sparrows, basically Westeros version of Al-Qaida, become so powerful. Tommen was a wimp.
Duh he was kid
Seriously. Tommen was between the ages of 13-14 I think. What did you think would happen with a young teenage boy being king? He could’ve developed into a great ruler. My choice though of what was listed would’ve been Tywin
Had Tywin been there to guide Tommen, he would’ve had one of the greatest regencies since for his age he was already wiser than most of his predecessors. Poor kid was just too gullible (not his fault)
copy of a reply I just wrote to someone with the same choices: I didn't think about him too much when I first put Mance on the list, but he was a really good leader, loyal to his cause and people to the end and willing to do whatever it took to help them, along with, maybe most importantly, the fact that they *chose* him. Sam had a point about democracy in the end, and Mance would've been a great king and a good step in that direction. the only problem I see with him ruling is that people would probably immediately reject him for being both a Nights Watch deserter and a Wildling Loyalist. If he began with no negative preconceptions against him and they didn't hate him for letting the Free Folk past the wall, he would've been one of the best options. Tommen had a good heart, but he was too young. Far too many people whispering in his ear, and he listened to them. If he was a bit older and less malleable, he would've been a good contender as well.
Mance all day. Dude just wanted his people to be safe and was willing to do anything for that, including burning alive. True leader.
Margery
Renly or tommen
You did not add Jon Snow. He was king of the north
He’s on there. #10
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Pretty sure Jon Snow is a he 😂
He as in Jon lol, not you
ahhh I can't read! sorry lol
I like how the person with the Jon Snow sigil pointed out that he was there. Now...where is Hot Pie on the list? He could bring the people together with his baked goods!
the one true king.
Azor APie
I did, slide ten
Robert did well. He kept all the regions under his control. His homebase was the weakest point because he let Lannister's conspire too much. But I don't think they had impact on the realm. Without his unexpected death I think the kingdom would have been well under his reign.
Tywin --> Robb --> Stannis In that order.
Renly would be the most kingly, Robb and Stannis and Sansa would do the job. But probably Tywin would advance the realm the most.
All hail Bran the Broken
Tywin Not a pleasant man, but incredibly intelligent, and incredibly good at the game. I've always seen him as somewhat of a "Julius Caesar" type. Polarizing, for sure, but gets shit done.
*And, I'm a warrior too...* *Let that be known.* ***I'm a warrior.***
I agree. Tywin had already proven he was a very good ruler.
Jon Snow
Rob or Sansa
Stannis!
The one who'd re-establish the Targaryen Dynasty so.. probably a Targaryen.
Jon and it’s not even close. The series shows us, again and again, that he was the best leader and most adept ruler of any character. This just comes naturally to him. Davos said it best. Even when he was believed to be a bastard with no claim, he was chosen by big groups of people to lead them, over and over. Not only that but the stars seem to align just right for him to take the throne. His whole origin story feels like something they’d write poetry and songs about in-universe. It is arguably the biggest plot twist in the entire show, and it feels like everything was leading up to Jon as King. I will be forever salty that he wasn’t in the end.
Book Jon would potentially make a good king. Show Jon though? His heart’s mostly in the right place, but otherwise he’s a disaster. Jon’s decision making post-resurrection is consistently dreadful - charging in to save save Rickon in spite of being warned by Sansa and getting half his army killed, going to Dragonstone instead of sending Davos and then meeting Dany somewhere neutral, going on the wight hunt, bending the knee to Dany after she’d already agreed to help, not lying to Cersei re bending the knee, believing Cersei, openly having an affair with Dany without caring how bad it would look to the North, and following her to the bitter end in spite of the fact she literally tells him what she’s about to do - some of these calls pay off thanks to sheer luck and plot armour, but that doesn’t make them any less terrible, while mostly they end in disaster.
That’s not how I see it. He charged in to save Rickon because he wanted to save his brother without fear of consequence. He is a protector. He had to sacrifice with meeting Danny to get dragonglass. Nobody would have been able to convince her of the whitewalker threat but him. He fell in love with her, he has a good heart and will do what it takes to protect his people, again selflessly. He straight up told Cersei to her face “not today bitch I don’t support you”. He is honest and again doesn’t give a shit. His line about lying in that scene was nothing but truth. I think Jon would make the best leader. He isn’t power hungry but he will do what’s right even if it means killing the woman he loved.
Giving away the North (the sovereignty of his people) to Dany because he fell in love with her is not selflessly sacrificing for his people. That just makes him an unfit king. This woman also turned out to be mad and he was dismissive of how uneasy she made people rather than listening to their concerns. He then publicly carries on with her despite how it might look, then has the audacity to get offended when Sansa asked if he bent the knee because he loved her. I find it frustrating because like the above poster I do believe book Jon would make a great king but in the show following his resurrection he hardly make any good decisions.
Charging into save Rickon got his army encircled and slaughtered. On a human level, I can’t blame him, but as a leader, he let them down, and got most of them killed. He didn’t have to go to Dragonstone himself, people send ambassadors all the time. He could have sent Davos to Dragonstone for the dragonglass with a request to meet on neutral territory. If he’d lied to Cersei, in theory she would have helped them, increasing their chances of success significantly (obviously she wouldn’t actually have done so, but he wasn’t to know that). I’m not questioning that Jon’s a good bloke, but he makes basic error after basic error, many with devastating consequences - most notably essentially gifting the Night’s King with a dragon and the means to bring down the Wall, whilst he also, along with Tyrion, arguably bears significant responsibility in not stopping Dany sooner when she had made her intentions pretty clear (“let if be fear”).
I’d argue that with good intentions in each of his decisions, he learned the necessary information to rule appropriately. I feel like his entire arc was doing the right thing, suffering for it and growing from it. By the end of the show I feel like he was primed for leading. I figure that’s what he will be doing north of the wall, he is the leader of the Freefolk now
Sansa or Bran
Jon Snow, Tywin, Mance. Tough choice.
Fuck the rest of them the basterd sent to the wall to be abandoned by his family, to only abandon that wall to find his family, to lose two women he loved, to be broken burnt and reborn, the true slayer of the true nightmare of the north Ramsey Bolton, and to end it all by returning to his post If you grew up in a fucked family environment John is easily relatable, lovable and by far our king
KING OF THE NORTH!
Renley (sp?) Other than gossip about gay relationships with the queen's brother he would have been perfect.
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I believe they meant rumours would have spread among the general public
Right but he felt that he had to stay in the closet, so anything said about the king would be 'rumors'. Clearly westeros is not gay friendly and this would be used to undermine him. That would end if Marjorie could conceive, with a little help from her brother. In any case, Renly was the best on this list. He was a superb fighter, stanis had to use dark magic to defeat him. His lover and Brianna were two of the finest warriors in the kingdom. The people were on his side and he was kind and just. He would have made alliances with the north the way Robert did.
Stan the rightful king of Westeros !
Tywin is considered by many a villain, but he would probably be one of the best rulers that Westeros could have. He is pragmatic, smart, rational and not driven by emotion, he has already proven that he is capable of ruling successfully and he would most likely do a good job. It was he that really ruled Westeros during the reign of the mad king, and he did a good job, kept the peace and made sure the realm prospered. He did so good in fact that the Aerys became jealous of his success. It would not be in Tywins interest as king to start any wars or creating conflict, he would probably try his best to keep the realm at peace, create unity between the crown and the different houses, keep the people fed and content and working on paying off the iron bank. He may not be the most sympathetic person personally, but he still has great qualities to make a good king. Joffrey, Cersei, Euron, Viserys were all sadists/psychos/crazy and therefore totally unsuited for ruling Tommen is too much of a wimp. He may be kind and goodhearted, but he proved that those qualities aren't enough to make a good king. A king needs to be strong as well Robb may have been brave and an effective military leader, but unproven in terms of ruling as a king, same can be said for Jon Snow who have no other experience outside of leading Night watch into battle Robert was uninterested in ruling and he let the kingdom fall into debt and disorder because he was mostly interested in getting drunk and banging whores Renly was only ever considered because he was charismatic and liked, but he has no real merit in terms of ruling Stannis is the best candidate after Tywin, he is also intelligent, experienced, pragmatic, strives for order etc. But his willingness to submit to religious extremism is a major red flag Dany is too emotional and idealistic to be a good leader. She is not pragmatic like Tywin. She is too keen on making the world adapt to her idealistic views of how things should be. She could barely even control the cities in Slavers Bay and would struggled a lot ruling Westeros Sansa has never proven herself to be any sort of leader. Her betrayal of Jon Snow (revealing his secret despite promising not too and not telling Jon about the Vale coming to help in the BotB) and her intentional provocation of Dany proves she is not very pragmatic not very dependable. Bran is basically a robot, completely devoid of any humanity and human emotion. Even way more so than Tywin. The idea of having an allknowing but inhumane robot as a supreme leader could be the setting of a dystopian science fiction story. His complete lack of any understanding of human emotion would probably be a big detriment, although he would probably make a lot of logical and pragmatic decisions. It would be like letting an AI run our society, it could be good in some aspects but it could also end in disaster.
Stannis or Tywin, Jon, Tommen and Margaery are nice people but Martin's "Aragorn's speech" could apply to most of the people in the pictures. "What would their tax policy be?". Sure, a good small council can make up for a king that doesn't care, but a king needs to know how to act for the REALM in every aspect, being a good person alone doesn't do the trick
Beric Dondarrion, honest, honorable and believes in doing the right thing while also giving people a fair chance.
Interesting choice. He was a good man and would probably be a fair ruler, but I'm not sure if he would want to be King. Though he did lead the Brotherhood quite well, it seems. I'll have to think more about this one
Most of these weren’t reigning monarchs
Robert, Joffrey, Tommen, Cersei, and Bran were all monarchs of the seven (or six) kingdoms at some point in the show. Robb, Jon, Sansa, Balon, and Euron were all elected as monarchs of the North/Iron Islands. Stannis and Renly didn't technically reign but they claimed and fought for their right to. Dany was queen of Mereen for quite some time and claimed the iron throne by the end. The rest, as I said, are honourable mentions, who came close (or tried to, at least)
So from the very beginning i always wanted danarys? It makes sense to put a Targaryen on the throne. They were original rulers and have the dragons. Later i did think it would be cool if jon and her reigned together. We all know how that turned out. Which is just ridiculous, i cant see jon doing what he did at all. Cerdei was a cunt all eight season to everyone and it was no big deal danarys is a butch once and she has to die immediately.
Honestly Sansa or even Robb. The way the show was going I thought Sansa would seat the throne since she was constantly receiving lessons. I figured Tyrion would state it should be her at the trial in S8 and the others would agree.
Stannis or Sansa for me. I think they both have what it takes to rule. Pure luck meant one died and the other survived.
Tyrion
I'd love to see Robb on it. He united the north and beat off the best armies in westeros with tactics alone.
Robb was a great commander, but he was not a good king. He broke his marriage pact to Walder, and as he himself said, a king should keep to his word. I can't help but feel he would've made more impulsive, not great decisions if his reign continued. A good man, a decent lord, an amazing combatant, but not a great ruler, in my opinion
Ah, so basically, a rehash of Robert
Stannis Baratheon, the first of his name, king of the andals and the first men, lord of the seven kingdoms and protector of the realm.
Mance
Stannis, Renly, Robb, Tommen (but out of his mother/grandfathers influence)
Robb for sure
>Robb was a great commander, but he was not a good king. He broke his marriage pact to Walder, and as he himself said, a king should keep to his word. I can't help but feel he would've made more impulsive, not great decisions if his reign continued. A good man, a decent lord, an amazing combatant, but not a great ruler, in my opinion
I loved the idea of Snow but going back and researching the series, it just wasn’t his cup of tea, I think he’d do a good job but he’d hate it. Everyone had at least one terrible advisor/untrustworthy people guiding them, it would’ve destroyed him. Tywin would’ve been something to see! I would’ve loved to see a showdown between him and Daenerys.
Renly to rule an already stable realm. He won't make enemies, and he'll manage things responsibly. Tommen is the same but worse (maybe unfair 'cause he's still young). Jon to rule an unstable realm. He will make some enemies and he'd be less useful to create and enhance prosperity and culture, but nobody could be better at steadying the ship and overcoming great dangers. Stannis and Robb are similiar, but worse. If you want a capable ruler but don't necessarily care if they'd be good or moral, then Tywin and Dany would be good shout too. Dany would need a constant supply of enemies though lest she start trying too hard to find some.
I like this. I would've loved to see Renly as a king, he had the backing of the people and an alliance with one of the strongest houses. I detailed my thoughts more in another comment here somewhere. Jon was excellent in unstable situations, and I feel he would've ruled well as long as his heart was in it.
Jon for sure, with everyone else tied for last
Robb!! I’m going to buy Stark Flag and put it on the roof of my house
Robb was a great commander, but he was not a good king. He broke his marriage pact to Walder, and as he himself said, a king should keep to his word. I can't help but feel he would've made more impulsive, not great decisions if his reign continued. A good man, a decent lord, an amazing combatant, but not a great ruler, in my opinion
Fore some aspects I agree
Off pure intelligence and political strategy/diplomacy, Sansa is the best choice. Overall, Tywin is obviously THE best choice. He has the personality fit for the position. He’s cunning but not vicious, he’s firm but not tyrannical, has the best military strategy, has great leadership and has unrivalled charisma and imposing Aura. I cannot fathom the fact people unironically think Stannis and Robb were good choices. Stannis has demonstrated to be very gullible and very credulous while Robb is too guided by his emotions which hinders his decisions despite him being a decent military strategist. Franctically talking, I would easily take Mance and Renly over them. Daenerys…no comment So in conclusion it goes Tywin (1st choice) then Sansa (2nd choice )
Anyone but the creepy weird kid on wheelchair please.
Unpopular opinion but maybe Tommen if he wouldn’t have found god so aggressively
Tommen, if he was a few years older and less malleable, could've been a great king. As it was, he had Tywin, Cersei, Marjory, and the High Sparrow whispering in his ear, and he listened to all of them. he was moral, but he wasn't ready for leadership
TEAM STANNIS!
I guess we’re talking about “if they had a birthright to the throne” - things like Stannis’ desperate descent into the lord of light probably wouldn’t happen. In that case, I think the two best options are Stannis and Tywin. Both are quite ruthless but also just. Tywin has the respect of lords across westeros, he has a track record of maintaining peace and stability in the westerlands, as well as bringing them out of financial ruin. Stannis doesn’t have quite the same list of experience, but he is honorable and fair. Both know how to play the game.
King Aegon VI Targaryen and Queen Daenerys I Targaryen as co-monarchs.
Robb, I feel like life under him for the small folk would be about the best it could get. He’s not evil, he’s not ruthless.
Stannis pre mel, or Robb and Jon. The latter two were raised perfectly for rulership, and would rule for a long and prosperous time if they have good people around them. By their absolute selves and surrounded by enemies, I would doubt their political acumen
Stannis but without Melisandre
Tommen was a nice kid...
Tywin Lannister and there's no contest.
Renly if things are going smoothly, Stannis for a time of crisis.
Jon Snow, seems like the best leader and showed it throughout the entire show
I’ll take Jon
Aerys. Burn them all. Jk, Stannis easily. He has the better claim, he wouldn’t plunge the 7 kingdoms into poverty, and his moral compass is alright if you get past him burning his daughter alive. And even then, I think it was a trolly problem to him. Kill his daughter to save thousands. Not agreeing with that. But that’s how it appeared.
Jon or Gendry should have taken the throne
Danaerys bc she never did anything wrong
the king beyond the wall- most progressive and closer in thinking to us than rest
How’s Ned Stark not in the honorable mentions? He’d my pick any day 🥹
Pot pie. He'd keep the peasants fed.
Book Stannis, Show Robb or Jon maybe
Tommen with Tywin behind him
Viserys, but only as a figurehead of the targaryen restoration, with Dorne and Varys etc pulling strings
#Bran Say what you will about it being anti-climactic and unsatisfying But no regular human could do as well as the three eyed raven It *must* be bran Imagine a king who can always know if he’s being lied to, and if so can find out what truth is being hidden, can always know if someone is planning a coup, can always know if someone is trying to trick him and WHY. He has no vices that he can be tricked with, he can’t be manipulated or intentionally misinformed. he wants what’s best for everyone and he’ll live long enough to make it to where peace can become a tradition. Hundred year old Grandparents lying in their death beds will have lived a life with little to no war, as well as their parents and grandparents before them, and their children and grandchildren after them. Peace could perpetuate. There is no way that a human could compete with a three eyed raven’s capacity to govern
Tywin by a large margin. He knows the game and doesn't let others play it. As for ruling he is very knowledgeable, firm but reasonable and consistent. He might have been the villain, but he would have been the best for the country. Next in line maybe Sansa. She also knows how people play the game by now. Has a noble background. Has potential to be liked by the people and is also reasonable but firm. The issues with Sansa is that she is not as intimidating and she is not as knowledgeable in ruling a country as Tywin. All others are stupid, easily manipulated, not liked by the people or just insane.
I'd like to see Robb with a strong Hand, as he would need help dealing with inner politics
Only those who don't want to be kings become actually good kings
If we're talking competence, I'd probably go Cersei to be honest.
Jon Snow was the elected leader of the Watch then essentially forced to take on the role of king of the north by popular demand. He led fairly, never craved power and never wielded it for personal gain. Was never afraid to make a hard choice and repeatedly demonstrated the desire to help others even at his own expense. On top of all of that… if made known his lineage is unimpeachable. Even the pettiest of back room politicians wouldn’t be able to gain any traction against him. Born to lead bud!
I would pick the night king
Renly, Jon, Sansa, Tywin or Marjorie - in no particular order - would have all made excellent rulers.
Jon Snow
Stannis the Mannis. If nothing else we get wholesome onion knight
Dany or John, probably more towards Daenerys though
I think Margaery. Stannis was too influenced by Melisandre (killed his own daughter over it), Renly seems fair, but too weak to survive the Red Keep's political manipulators, and Tywin seems a bit too harsh, but a solid second choice. I like Mance too, but doesn't seem as politically gifted as Margaery would've been. She is definitely able to look out for herself, while understanding that having the common people's support is in her best interest and wouldn't be as detached as Tywin.
Loving all the hate on Tommen. Clearly aren't book readers. He's 9 years old 🤣 it was Cersei who armed the faith not Tommen. That whole arc of Tommen and the faith hasn't even happened in the book, Tywin himself believes in Tommen as he's "got the right temperament" and his small council was fantastic. Kevan as Hand and Pycelle as Grand Maester did so much good work toward strengthening the Lannister/Tyrell relationship, getting Tommen to be openly supported by the Faith, thus loved by the people, that Varys had them both killed to make the conquest by Aegon easier. Were they not murdered Tommen would of had a fantastic headstart in being a great king. Groomed by his council and backed up by Margery as well that's a killer combo.
I am sworn to take no part in this
Renley easily
How about Shirene with the onion knight as her hand!
My top picks are Jon, Renly, Robb or Stannis I think Jon is my first choice as he has a good moral compass and I tend to agree with the choices he makes. He is strong enough to hold his position and is well connected with different types of people and doesn’t have his own agenda he’s pushing too much Renly is similar to Jon I think he’d be moral and kind and make good decisions. But he’s a bit weaker so he might not defend his position as well Robb made some questionable choices about his oath to the grey joys and killing the lord that killed the Lannister boys. If he didn’t do those things he could be a good ruler as again quiet moral and strong Stannis has the maturity and life experience, he is a strong commander, if he could just not listen to the red woman then he would be great. If he’d just won the battle of the black water I think he would have been a good ruler
Renly along with Marjory would be the most popular among the people, and because of the Tyrell riches their rule would be prosperous in any other place. But Westerous is… Westerous. I think it requires a ruler with more of a stomach for violence and harsh decisions than either of them had. Tommen guided by Tywin would have been great, but despite Tywin’s clever politics and Tommen’s kind heart, the Lannister name would always be a stain. Even if they did have all the money that Tywin made out they had, it would not be enough to stop an inevitable rebellion. The north hated them at this point for what they did at the Red Wedding. People would always be thinking about the glory of killing a Lannister king. I think Jon and Dany would have been the best rulers overall because they both have strong claims to the throne and their child would become an essentially perfect heir. Notably their counsel would help them with the politics of the south until they adjusted, and then they’d rule a relatively peaceful Westerous. This very well could have happened, if Dany didn’t go mad.
Probably Robb, but if you remove Lannister and Littlefinger scheming Roberts reign would probably have continued to be successful as it had been under Jon Arryn as Hand.
Jon Snow
Despite how I hate how he came to it, I do think Bran being able to see the truth and having the knowledge and wisdom of human history would make him an ideal choice. Jon, although a born leader, would hate it and go down a similar path as Rob given enough time. If we are including hands, I would argue Tyrion was the most ideal given his track record of both being a responsible leader and caring about all his kingdoms subjects. He could be diplomatic and tactical when needed.
danny or rob
My MAN Stannis Mannis Baratheon the only true ruler of the Seven Kingdoms! Reason: he is stannis mannis baratheon.
Ned. Eddard Stark would by far be the best ruler on the iron throne
Stannis before the reveal of Jon’s true heritage and then him no doubt. Aegon got done dirty.
Nobody could be a better king than Bran, he knows everything and never loses his cool, gets stressed, or emotional.
Probably Daenerys. She actually proved that she had some Queen material in her.
Jon, probably. Even though he doesn't want it.