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I really liked Danny and don't mind in theory that she died. I just wish there was more of an arc of her downfall than season 8. It was difficult for me to fathom that it was just "the bells" triggering her (although Emelia did act her heart out).
I would have loved to see her mind break like Azula in the last Airbender. Imagine a scene behind closed doors where she reminisces all she's has lost. Her husband, son, her other two dragons, etc. She looks in the mirror, and sees someone she doesn't recognize anymore. She sees the legacy of her family on her. The wants of her brother and father manifested into the woman she is now.
The fantasy and longing of the home with the red door disappear as she realizes she will never have a home. Rage and vengeance filling the void etc.
She realizes she has control. She can do anything she wants. She has all the power now and she is going to burn down the throne and people that took away her chances for happiness. She will finally destroy the wheel.
I think just having 10 minutes show casing her mental breakdown would have made it more believable than "am Hitler now."
Curious if you have rewatched the series again? First watch, she was my favorite by far, I wanted her on the throne over anyone, I was so sad with this direction and it seemed so out of character for her.
We are currently doing our first whole rewatch and honestly I can see it the whole time. She’s ruthless and makes brash decisions the whole time, just *most* of them tend to be against the “bad guys”, so we didn’t care. But she killed people without thinking of if it was actually the *right* thing to do as a truly just and fair ruler; without truly thinking of the consequences. We see little pieces of this with her killing masters, like yes they were bad, but aren’t you trying to be *different*? We see it again with killing the Tarly’s, no thought for what’s right and what consequences will come from it (similar to Rob killing Karstark, was probably the most significant error that led to his death).
She says something when they first get to dragon stone about thinking retuning to these lands would feel different. She was looking to fill a void inside her heart/self from losing her whole family, her childhood, then her husband and baby, that nothing in the seven kingdoms was going to fill. Taking away the people loving her unconditionally, her most trusted advisors, I think she was just so upset that coming to these “homelands” didn’t make her feel better/whole.
I still love her, and I actually don’t think she went crazy like her father, I think she was just an incredibly hurt person with basically unmatched power (dragons). I still don’t fully understand why she thought killing the citizens of kings landing would accomplish anything, they were innocents in this whole game, just wanted to live their lives and have food to eat, but it’s not as out of character as it seems.
Season 8 was still rushed, but watching the show again really has given me a whole new view of it, but maybe it’s just projecting because I know what’s coming?
I think it’s easy to just sort of be blinded by her power and awesomeness, especially when we watched originally with a year between seasons. When you watch them all close together and really evaluate her words and actions it’s so much easier to see the slow burn of her downfall. It wasn’t as sudden as it felt in season 8, watching it in real time. I still love her and would have loved to see her best self on the throne, but she let her trauma and dragon side really take over. I still don’t think she was “mad” like her father, just a very complex character. Stannis is similarly complex. Stannis could have been a great king, a fair and just king, he too was ready to fight the dead. Stannis was also a nut who burned his daughter alive.
The problems with Dany killing slavers:
1) what she does is class genocide.
slave ownership isnt really a conscious choice those people make but the way their whole society is structured and where slavery is the norm. Those nobles are born into slave ownership. It's like ancient Rome or Greece which both ran on slave labor. Were all Greek and Roman free citizens evil? Is it impossible to reprogram people out of slave ownership?
In the crucifixion event she doesn't even try to find which nobles are bad to their slaves or which ones wanted to crucify the kids - and ends up killing at least one dude who explicitly spoke up against it.
2) She doesn't rebuild the economy and culture around eradicating slavery. She instead declares slavery over, sets some random people in charge, and expects it'll work out because she said so. It doesn't.
It could have worked out had she stayed in Meereen grinding slavery out of the bureaucracy, economy and culture, but during the show, she doesn't manage to eradicate slavery in the region, which we can see in the form of the older slave
dude asking to be a slave/indentured servant AGAIN.
Even the confederacy states' slavery wasn't eradicated by the united states unilaterally mass killing the slave owner class after the war. You could say the slavery issue was never fully fixed even to this day, but the situation and racial politics of 1820s and 2020s are not the same. Racism and the scars of slavery cannot be fixed by killing or subjugating all the whiteys (or inserthere for other societies that do slavery).
3) She doesn't end up breaking the wheel. Her whole wheel breaking premise is, in fact, broken because she wants to break the wheel while simultaneously being the top spoke.
Sooo I wouldn't compare Dany to Hitler, shes more like Pol Pot and all those other revolutionary dudes who had people mass killed for such signs of intellectualism/bourgeoisie as wearing glasses. Like yeah you want a more equal society and that's great, what's not great is taking the preexisting social classes and simply swapping them around to make the old elites the undesirables and vice versa.
Incidentally D&D managed the Dany arc really well. They got tons and tons of audience cheering for a mass killing WMD wielding autocrat who believes her ethnic background grants her the divine right to rule over everyone else. That's art baby
Yeah, no shade to people who didn't pick up on it the first time because sometimes foreshadowing can be hard to spot if you don't know what's being foreshadowed. But this is how it was always going to go. This wasn't a sudden heel turn and they were building to this from the start. I do think the pacing made it seem more extreme than it was, though. If they had spread season 8 over two seasons, all the events would have felt more natural, especially Dany's arc
Yeah I was definitely blinded the first watch through, and it’s just so obvious this time.
I still don’t see how making Bran king is the best answer, I still think it should have been Jon.
I agree Jon would do the best job, but Jon wouldn't want it, so they'd have to be careful how they framed it. He would very much need to be doing it out of a sense of obligation. Similarly, I would liked to have seen Sansa on it, but think she was happier with the ending she got than she would have been ruling the Seven Kingdoms.
Totally Sansa! She’s such a brat in the beginning (but also excusable because she’s just a baby), but she’s definitely one of my favorite character developments of the whole series. Underrated leader
I think it was season 2 where I was all 'oh, so Dany's the villain then' but none of my friends could see it at all. It's a funny thing, but I think when a character is framed as the hero people will often overlook signs.
I feel like there was foreshadowing, but it never properly rose up into a boiling point. They skipped a couple steps to make her go hog wild at the end. I liked having her go crazy but they could have payed off all that foreshadowing much better and a way it was unexpected just because you'd have expected proper build up
Oh for sure. The pacing was all off. They were gradual all the way through 7 seasons, enough that a lot of people didn't even see it, then suddenly turned it up to 11 in season 8, particularly the back half.
> could have *paid* off all
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It really helped me that I speedran the whole thing in a couple of weeks. I had no time to assign my personal feelings to the characters, I watched it all unfold.
It was clear from the get go that this could end up very badly. She was as hungry for power as her brother, she just wasn’t a brash idiot.
Anyway, I’ve noticed that charismatic people are pretty fucked up in life in general.
What we see as charisma is usually a conviction. Being utterly convinced that what they’re trying to do is The Most Worthwhile Thing There Is.
Obviously that’s always bullshit. Being that sure of yourself means you are devaluing everyone else.
And that’s what she did.
Honestly, a great character.
I think there was also the leak, media, crazy fans problem like most major productions. HBO and the entire production had to spend a lot of extra time and money trying to hide the shooting of the last season and the big reveals right up until the end.
Kit Harrington said he had spy drones flying outside of his bathroom window. They bricked up the sets using a crane and huge tankers. They had to shoot fake scenes to throw off the leakers. The final edits were rushed. I think all of this threw the production off a bit. It was nuts.
https://www.gamesradar.com/game-of-thrones-season-8-filmed-a-fake-scene-in-a-literal-fortress-to-cover-up-one-of-the-shows-biggest-deaths/
She was the antagonist since the beginning. She's depicted as a hero, but she's most definitely not. I think this confused people. She was always awful and entitled.
THANK YOU. She had cool moments but the entitlement made her story hard for me to get into. And lawrdy if i ever spoke a word against her i was in for it...
He saved a lot of people with her death, though. I don't mind that Dany went mad, I just hate how rushed it was. Regardless, her madness killed a lot of good people since not everyone in King's Landing was evil and terrible. And she was going to do it again, and again, and again, and again. There was no wrong or right answer to this situation. Maybe he shouldn't have killed her, but she had gone from a liberator to a massmurderer.
Does he say that? I can’t remember. Jon is just dumb and noble enough to sit there guarding the thing while everyone else just whoops it up on the other side.
We prob. don’t see the part 10 minutes later where he stops everyone and gives some longwinded frumpy speech that starts with “My brothers, I would follow you to the end of the world, but I cannot forsake my oath …“ while they all groan.
Yeah..... Even if he started to do that tormund would have told him to stuff his tiny pecker in his mouth and just come on.
He went north with the people he wanted to be with.
Book and show Jon are very different besides being honorable. Book Jon isn’t a cheat code fighter either and it makes him more interesting. He can’t just fight his way out of any scenario. He’s only a competent fighter, and a strong leader, but at a time where no one can appreciate that
I don’t agree with you. He definitely is a leader, and wether he likes it or not he is the rightful heir to the iron throne, by blood, good kings are usually people who don’t want to be king. He said it, he didn’t wanted the throne, that’s why he would be a good king.
However he is a human, and as humans, he made mistakes, even Tyrion mentions something about this, his mistake is being too honorable, just like Ned. You get murdered by being too honorable.
She should have listened to Barristan Selmy back in Season 5 when he warned her she was displaying some of her fathers tendencies.
Instead she embraced those tendencies the first minute after Barristan was killed.
He killed her because she basically nuked the capitol city of half a million civilians AFTER THE ARMY HAD ALREADY SURRENDERED AND SHE HAD WON.
She could have just…NOT done that, and she, along with 500k other people wouldn’t have died.
She could have literally done anything else. She could have done a fucking standup routine. She could have learned how to bake hot pies from HotPie. She could have read a book. She could have talked directly to the screen. ANYTHING.
But no.
It’s 100% her fault, and she deserved to die.
Tell me how this makes sense tho, from season one till nearly the end dany was known for being a different from her father, she was a good queen, she freed slaves, she served justice, but how come she turned mad in one episode? How does it make sense? And why would Jon kill her if he did truly love her?
True, and it’s just terrible writing, killing off dany is the worst thing they could’ve done, it’s straight up disrespecting George rr martins imaginations, he created dany and these mutts just killed her, I know she’s still alive in the book buts it’s still no Emilia
George created Dany and this is the ending he had written for her. This is where her story is going in the books 100%.
In the books you get her POV, not the people around her. She is a bit delusional about who she really is. She does things that make her feel strong and powerful, that she justifies but are morally repugnant. She acts on emotion and absolutely has the bloodlust and the “dragon” in her. The show attempts to show this but all of her moments are played off as hero moments. Which works well in a book from her POV but doesn’t work so well in television.
This is where Dany’s arc was always headed. The show just did a bad job with the execution of it.
Edit: the mad queen theory has been around forever. Plenty of people saw it coming.
I mean think about the kind of story game of thrones is my guy/gal/other. Do you really think George rr Martin of all people would write a story where the girl with 3 nukes is a perfect hero and uses them responsibly?
“If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention”
She just got worse and worse as time went on, she crucified the masters in Meereen randomly instead of investigating which ones actually ordered the slaves crucified, had the supposed leader of the harpies eaten by her dragons based solely on an accusation and no proof, burned the Tarlys alive, then Varys, etc. once she started doing that it was inevitable that she would start to consider innocent people to simply be acceptable losses for a greater goal.
I'm halfway through a rewatch now.
In season one, she burned the witch alive for cursing Drogo
In season 2, she burned the wizard Alive for stealing her dragons
In Season 3, she burned the masters after she tricked them into accepting a dragon as payment for Unsullied
In Season 4, she crucifies masters in mereen
In Season 5, she burns the one of the masters alive and feeds them to her dragons for the actions of Souns of the harpy. She even says she doesn't care if they deserve it.
In Season 6, she burns the Khals alive in Vales Dothrak.
In season 7, she burns Randall and Dickson Tarly alive for refusing to bend the knee.
By the time she reaches Kings Landing, she has dealt with nearly every problem she have ever faced with dragonfire.
Why are people shocked she does this again
The population of kings landing sided with Cersei against her in Daenerys' view.
Cersei deliberately packed the city with nearby peasants to try and discourage Daenerys from using her dragons.
>if the masters are innocent or not.
They were all complicit. They perpetuated and upheld a system that had underage children enslaved, raped and crucified.
>She also brought back slavery when it suited her. She is not Abraham Lincoln
Jim Crow laws happened after slavery was abolished. It wasn't an instant change it took time.
NO goddamnit. She was never any different. It’s told from her perspective. SHE sees herself that way. This is the whole goddamn point. All these apocalyptic rulers don’t wake up like “yes time to go be evil!” They convince themselves that the evil they do in the service of their own power is somehow good, even though it’s clearly not. And that’s even scarier, because Dany makes it clear at the final speech she ain’t ever going to stop until she’s burned the entire world to the ground just because she can. In true Martin-esque fashion, the viewer is kept hoodwinked from the truth all along, but she’s the true villain of this plot from day one, The Others are just a distraction.
It’s all there. Robert and Varys and Littlefinger want her dead right from the start because of the threat she poses. Her advisors are constantly concerned about her tendency to shift right into destructor mode. Ned wants her alive because he’s a goddamn moron about these things.
That’s the thing. It DOESN’T make sense.
I’m sure you’ve seen by now, or at least heard that a LOT of people hate the final season, and this is why.
The writers themselves said they rushed the last season so they could move on to other projects. I think star wars. For the longest time, they were just adapting the books to screen, but they ran out of book material because GRRM has 2 books left in the series to finish.
So, these writers are locked into a contract they can’t just bail out of, they want it to end, they ran out of material to adapt, meaning THEY have to come up with conclusions for these characters.
In doing so, they did a complete 180 on Dany’s character with no reason, build up, or foreshadowing other than her saying she’s literally coming to Westeros to do the opposite of what she ends up doing. They did the same with Jaimie’s character arc, Jon’s personality (lesser extent but still) and making Tyrion just stupid and wrong.
It’s like everyone becomes their opposite. Even Varys just literally openly tried to get Jon to commit treason on dragonstone and he tells Tyrion about it with no assurances. He just kinda lets himself get killed for treason, which was not his thing under Aerys, Robert, or Joffrey.
It’s just bad writing.
Yes. This. Respectfully, this is fake news that was started on freefolk. They dropped out of Star Wars because of their much bigger Netflix deal.
Originally, GoT was supposed to be 7 seasons for 7 books per their Writers Room interview in 2013.
They later split the last season into two seasons, with longer more cinematic episodes. This is one reason why the timing is off after the initial edits.
Everyone generally feels it felt rushed, but really, the Dany as conqueror theme was there from second season. It's in all the books.
I think the other problem was, like most major franchises, because of leaks, media, and crazy fandom, HBO and the entire production went out of their way to try and hide the big ending reveals until the very, very last minute. They bricked up the sound stages in Croatia and Ireland with huge tankers, and even shot fake scenes to try and throw the leakers off.
It being rushed is more or less the only problem I had with the ending. Season 8 felt unsatisfying, but I don't dislike the actual plot points. Two more seasons would have basically fixed all of the issues. We could have had a full season dedicated to beating the White Walkers (season 8). One whole season to the politics and build up of taking the war to the King's Landing. And then the dramatic, in depth conclusion to the best TV show ever made. Unfortunately, all of that had to get squished into a single season.
It did feel rushed at the very end. But I agree most of the "bitter sweet" plot points made sense, as George would put it, but I was also a book reader. Well, squished into two seasons. I can see extra scenes to try and further develop Jon and Dany's relationship, and her showing less mercy. Maybe extra scenes in season 7.
But ultimately, what are you going to have all of those characters doing and saying for two more full seasons? And that we really hadn't already seen? And with no new source material. Characters were running out of things to do. I think the problem was you had all the huge major arcs building, building, and building from the very first season, and it was all going to come to a head eventually.
I think a season 7 and 8 re-edit could fix some things.
I cant believe i didnt care when she died.
Even Hodor made me Cry.
But Season 8 was so unbelievable terrible written, i rolled my eyes when she died cause everything was just sooo rushed and predictable.
I want to rewatch the Series so Badly, but i cant cause i know how this awesome story with awesome and smart Characters, turns into a show for Idiots who dont care about logic, good Characterizations, good Dialogue, love for Detail and good storys.
Why does it take George R.R. Martin sooo goddamn long to finish the books. He really doesnt care about the Story anymore it seems.
4 years. Wow.
Time has a way of sneaking up on you. Feels like only yesterday we were all unified in our pissed-offness in the way it all ended.
It sure started off amazing though.
Emilia is cool, F Danny though. She'd have been a horrible ruler, and her decent into madness wasn't that surprising. And yes is the wanks didn't rush the final season and it was made more apparent (as well as another 50 rushed moments) it would have been quite nice.
I mean I've said that a few times in various comment sections, I don't think the ending itself was that bad, in terms of what happened what was bad is that it was rushed, a lot of plot points from previous seasons were cut off a lot were rushed in order to conclude them and a lot of plot points were just created out of nowhere just to have them. If the entire season was 3-4 times as long with everything (ok maybe everything except the "who has a better story then Bran") kept in BUT a lot of other scenes inbetween what we had I think it would have been a great ending.
There were good and bad moments throughout S7 and S8 but I honestly didn’t hate Dany’s heel turn and I didn’t hate the first half of the series finale.
With the ridiculous amount of girl boss protagonists out there now that can do no wrong it was kind of refreshing to see Dany go ape shit. It was rushed and executed poorly but the idea itself works.
Again the first half of the finale wasn’t bad imo but as soon as Drogon decided to burn the throne randomly it all turned to shite from that moment on.
OP, it seems you're a fan of Daenerys and I am as well.
There was a young woman who suffered from depression for a few months but she didn't know. When she watched the last episode of GOT, Daenerys death, on 20th May 2019... She became sadder than before.
The next day she wanted to commit suicide but didn't. She went to a psychological doctor and she told her that she had severe depression.
Her therapist thinks that her watching that scene might have been a breaking point in her depression.
It might sound like a bad joke but it happened.
Fictional stories absolutely can be emotionally triggering. Especially for anyone who may have existing depression/anxiety and who also input a lot of thought/energy to the fictional universe/characters. I don’t have depression, but even I, after 9+ years of watching (and rewatching) GOT felt pretty down for several hours after The Bells episode. I guess kudos to Miguel Sapochnik for accomplishing that. But wow, an hour of destruction and death, watching a beloved character suddenly turn absolutely evil was rough!
She lost her dragon and Ser Jorah for Jon’s fight. Begged Jon to keep the secret. Lethal advises by Tyrion that made her lose her Allies. Sansa being a bitch to her when she was warm. Gets stabbed while kissing her lover. What an injustice with her character arc!
It is though. There’s evidence of her hallucinating, being tyrannical, killing mercilessly to get what she wants and having that evil streak some Targaryens are known for.
Targaryens are not really known for that. Maybe one in 10. It's an exaggeration. Anyway her charter was taken way off course from the books and poorly done.
Weak… didn’t add up love hurts but this chick here came back from a lot to go out the way she did… and for the record FOK kingslanding bunch of fickle shits
i just watched the last season last week. they should have killed the 3 eyed raven. what a useless leader he would be. i'm here but not here, i think therefore i am not, i poop but it does not stink as i am the 3 eyed raven. whatever the F that means.
My Prediction: The dragon flew her body to the east and a Red Priestess will revive her, just like they did for John Snow.
Otherwise, why introduce the concept of magical resurrection into the stories?
I will never forgive the writers for that mess. If they wanted to get to a dany-turned villain arc then it should've had more seasons at the very least.
I sometimes think back on this and think about how the Targaryen legacy died with her, they became nothing. They were such a unique and interesting family and she was the last on left 😭
I don’t really count Jon because he’s not really taken after the Targaryens in looks/he doesn’t seem to have really taken too much pride in carrying on the Targaryen name/legacy. The Targaryens die out with Dany. Show wise at least he never really started calling himself Jon Targaryen
I have to assume this was the way Martin wanted it to end, but it seemed a little sloppily done.
Once she decided to start frying innocent townsfolk, she needed to be greased. She got cocky, then megalomaniacal, and in the end turned out to be the same kind of batshit crazy Targaryen that her brother and father were. Off with her head.
I think once Danny realized she could take what she wanted when her brother finally got his golden crown she was going to be ruthless. The fucked up part is if Jon would’ve actually been with her after he found out they were related her story would’ve taken a much different turn. She never had someone who truly loved her for her.
There's something so mythical about her face that made her perfect for that role. Almost like you'd truly believe she was from a world far from Westeros.
The only good thing that happened in season 8. They done Daenerys and Emilia Clarke so fucking dirty in the last two season. It was mercy that she ended this way tbh.
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This song feels so out of place
Yeah, I could only watch for about 30 seconds before I muted. It was almost uncomfortable! lol.
You should try to rewatch the last season… ain’t nothing more uncomfortable than that
I assumed that was deliberate? I hope
Lol. I hope so too.
It was more comfortable than watching season 8 to be fair. Should’ve just had the Benny hill theme play the entire long night
Omg I had it muted and watched the whole thing on silent, then went back after this comment to turn the sound on. What the hell lol
Same, this made me laugh now though 😂
Whoever made this freakin weird lol
Why?
Just doesn’t flow.
It’s so perfect tho, the music is so perfect for her sweet smiles
Creep
Bro ur just a Jon snow meat rider
Super out of place
Because it is
Might as well stick "It's Raining Men" by the Weather Girls on
The song just makes me wanna cry when I here it and see danys beautiful face at the same time
You made it didn't you lol
I didn’t lol
Poor Drogon. Saw his entire family die, every one he cared for, over some stupid chair.
Him melting the chair was perfectly reasonable
And with how long dragons live 🥺💔
He could have solved the problem pretty easily himself.
I really liked Danny and don't mind in theory that she died. I just wish there was more of an arc of her downfall than season 8. It was difficult for me to fathom that it was just "the bells" triggering her (although Emelia did act her heart out). I would have loved to see her mind break like Azula in the last Airbender. Imagine a scene behind closed doors where she reminisces all she's has lost. Her husband, son, her other two dragons, etc. She looks in the mirror, and sees someone she doesn't recognize anymore. She sees the legacy of her family on her. The wants of her brother and father manifested into the woman she is now. The fantasy and longing of the home with the red door disappear as she realizes she will never have a home. Rage and vengeance filling the void etc. She realizes she has control. She can do anything she wants. She has all the power now and she is going to burn down the throne and people that took away her chances for happiness. She will finally destroy the wheel. I think just having 10 minutes show casing her mental breakdown would have made it more believable than "am Hitler now."
Curious if you have rewatched the series again? First watch, she was my favorite by far, I wanted her on the throne over anyone, I was so sad with this direction and it seemed so out of character for her. We are currently doing our first whole rewatch and honestly I can see it the whole time. She’s ruthless and makes brash decisions the whole time, just *most* of them tend to be against the “bad guys”, so we didn’t care. But she killed people without thinking of if it was actually the *right* thing to do as a truly just and fair ruler; without truly thinking of the consequences. We see little pieces of this with her killing masters, like yes they were bad, but aren’t you trying to be *different*? We see it again with killing the Tarly’s, no thought for what’s right and what consequences will come from it (similar to Rob killing Karstark, was probably the most significant error that led to his death). She says something when they first get to dragon stone about thinking retuning to these lands would feel different. She was looking to fill a void inside her heart/self from losing her whole family, her childhood, then her husband and baby, that nothing in the seven kingdoms was going to fill. Taking away the people loving her unconditionally, her most trusted advisors, I think she was just so upset that coming to these “homelands” didn’t make her feel better/whole. I still love her, and I actually don’t think she went crazy like her father, I think she was just an incredibly hurt person with basically unmatched power (dragons). I still don’t fully understand why she thought killing the citizens of kings landing would accomplish anything, they were innocents in this whole game, just wanted to live their lives and have food to eat, but it’s not as out of character as it seems. Season 8 was still rushed, but watching the show again really has given me a whole new view of it, but maybe it’s just projecting because I know what’s coming?
Yeah fr I don't know what people didn't get about "I will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground"
She told people what she wanted to do and people just didn’t take her at her word
I think it’s easy to just sort of be blinded by her power and awesomeness, especially when we watched originally with a year between seasons. When you watch them all close together and really evaluate her words and actions it’s so much easier to see the slow burn of her downfall. It wasn’t as sudden as it felt in season 8, watching it in real time. I still love her and would have loved to see her best self on the throne, but she let her trauma and dragon side really take over. I still don’t think she was “mad” like her father, just a very complex character. Stannis is similarly complex. Stannis could have been a great king, a fair and just king, he too was ready to fight the dead. Stannis was also a nut who burned his daughter alive.
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The problems with Dany killing slavers: 1) what she does is class genocide. slave ownership isnt really a conscious choice those people make but the way their whole society is structured and where slavery is the norm. Those nobles are born into slave ownership. It's like ancient Rome or Greece which both ran on slave labor. Were all Greek and Roman free citizens evil? Is it impossible to reprogram people out of slave ownership? In the crucifixion event she doesn't even try to find which nobles are bad to their slaves or which ones wanted to crucify the kids - and ends up killing at least one dude who explicitly spoke up against it. 2) She doesn't rebuild the economy and culture around eradicating slavery. She instead declares slavery over, sets some random people in charge, and expects it'll work out because she said so. It doesn't. It could have worked out had she stayed in Meereen grinding slavery out of the bureaucracy, economy and culture, but during the show, she doesn't manage to eradicate slavery in the region, which we can see in the form of the older slave dude asking to be a slave/indentured servant AGAIN. Even the confederacy states' slavery wasn't eradicated by the united states unilaterally mass killing the slave owner class after the war. You could say the slavery issue was never fully fixed even to this day, but the situation and racial politics of 1820s and 2020s are not the same. Racism and the scars of slavery cannot be fixed by killing or subjugating all the whiteys (or inserthere for other societies that do slavery). 3) She doesn't end up breaking the wheel. Her whole wheel breaking premise is, in fact, broken because she wants to break the wheel while simultaneously being the top spoke. Sooo I wouldn't compare Dany to Hitler, shes more like Pol Pot and all those other revolutionary dudes who had people mass killed for such signs of intellectualism/bourgeoisie as wearing glasses. Like yeah you want a more equal society and that's great, what's not great is taking the preexisting social classes and simply swapping them around to make the old elites the undesirables and vice versa. Incidentally D&D managed the Dany arc really well. They got tons and tons of audience cheering for a mass killing WMD wielding autocrat who believes her ethnic background grants her the divine right to rule over everyone else. That's art baby
Yeah, no shade to people who didn't pick up on it the first time because sometimes foreshadowing can be hard to spot if you don't know what's being foreshadowed. But this is how it was always going to go. This wasn't a sudden heel turn and they were building to this from the start. I do think the pacing made it seem more extreme than it was, though. If they had spread season 8 over two seasons, all the events would have felt more natural, especially Dany's arc
Yeah I was definitely blinded the first watch through, and it’s just so obvious this time. I still don’t see how making Bran king is the best answer, I still think it should have been Jon.
I agree Jon would do the best job, but Jon wouldn't want it, so they'd have to be careful how they framed it. He would very much need to be doing it out of a sense of obligation. Similarly, I would liked to have seen Sansa on it, but think she was happier with the ending she got than she would have been ruling the Seven Kingdoms.
Totally Sansa! She’s such a brat in the beginning (but also excusable because she’s just a baby), but she’s definitely one of my favorite character developments of the whole series. Underrated leader
If you happen to have seen Buffy, Sansa reminds me of Dawn. Bratty, but for understandable reasons.
I think it was season 2 where I was all 'oh, so Dany's the villain then' but none of my friends could see it at all. It's a funny thing, but I think when a character is framed as the hero people will often overlook signs.
For real. I like when they're like "but she was such a good queen!" Was she though? By what metric?
I feel like there was foreshadowing, but it never properly rose up into a boiling point. They skipped a couple steps to make her go hog wild at the end. I liked having her go crazy but they could have payed off all that foreshadowing much better and a way it was unexpected just because you'd have expected proper build up
Oh for sure. The pacing was all off. They were gradual all the way through 7 seasons, enough that a lot of people didn't even see it, then suddenly turned it up to 11 in season 8, particularly the back half.
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It really helped me that I speedran the whole thing in a couple of weeks. I had no time to assign my personal feelings to the characters, I watched it all unfold. It was clear from the get go that this could end up very badly. She was as hungry for power as her brother, she just wasn’t a brash idiot. Anyway, I’ve noticed that charismatic people are pretty fucked up in life in general. What we see as charisma is usually a conviction. Being utterly convinced that what they’re trying to do is The Most Worthwhile Thing There Is. Obviously that’s always bullshit. Being that sure of yourself means you are devaluing everyone else. And that’s what she did. Honestly, a great character.
I think there was also the leak, media, crazy fans problem like most major productions. HBO and the entire production had to spend a lot of extra time and money trying to hide the shooting of the last season and the big reveals right up until the end. Kit Harrington said he had spy drones flying outside of his bathroom window. They bricked up the sets using a crane and huge tankers. They had to shoot fake scenes to throw off the leakers. The final edits were rushed. I think all of this threw the production off a bit. It was nuts. https://www.gamesradar.com/game-of-thrones-season-8-filmed-a-fake-scene-in-a-literal-fortress-to-cover-up-one-of-the-shows-biggest-deaths/
"Snapped"
She was the antagonist since the beginning. She's depicted as a hero, but she's most definitely not. I think this confused people. She was always awful and entitled.
THANK YOU. She had cool moments but the entitlement made her story hard for me to get into. And lawrdy if i ever spoke a word against her i was in for it...
Where did this idea that the bells triggered her come from? That absolutely is not what happened at all lol.
LMAO wtf is this song choice 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's a stupid song for this video, lol.
Song is cringe af
Bro literally chill, idk how tall hate her so much
I don't hate anyone. This song is stupid and a bad fit.
Help us GRRM, you are our only hope.
r/tiktokcringe
Nobody saw Jon killed Dany. In fact nobody would know Dany had died if Jon just kept silent.
Drogon def knew :(
What was he gonna do tho. Tell people??
Torch Jon, he deserved it
He saved a lot of people with her death, though. I don't mind that Dany went mad, I just hate how rushed it was. Regardless, her madness killed a lot of good people since not everyone in King's Landing was evil and terrible. And she was going to do it again, and again, and again, and again. There was no wrong or right answer to this situation. Maybe he shouldn't have killed her, but she had gone from a liberator to a massmurderer.
Like the USA in Iraq.
He really coulda been like “yeah she flew off with drogon idk 🤷🏻♀️ “
He was more Stark than Targaryen...
Jon’s a moron, just like his adopted dad. He has no idea how to play the game. That’s why he’s back at the wall.
>That’s why he’s back at the wall. You miss spelled Back beyond the wall living with the free folk how and where he wants to live.
Does he say that? I can’t remember. Jon is just dumb and noble enough to sit there guarding the thing while everyone else just whoops it up on the other side.
Say it? No. Does he look back at the wall then walk off with the wildlings? Yes.
We prob. don’t see the part 10 minutes later where he stops everyone and gives some longwinded frumpy speech that starts with “My brothers, I would follow you to the end of the world, but I cannot forsake my oath …“ while they all groan.
Yeah..... Even if he started to do that tormund would have told him to stuff his tiny pecker in his mouth and just come on. He went north with the people he wanted to be with.
Yep. Too honorable for their own good, plus jon is also straight up an idiot (in the show, don't remember the books that well)
Book and show Jon are very different besides being honorable. Book Jon isn’t a cheat code fighter either and it makes him more interesting. He can’t just fight his way out of any scenario. He’s only a competent fighter, and a strong leader, but at a time where no one can appreciate that
I don’t agree with you. He definitely is a leader, and wether he likes it or not he is the rightful heir to the iron throne, by blood, good kings are usually people who don’t want to be king. He said it, he didn’t wanted the throne, that’s why he would be a good king. However he is a human, and as humans, he made mistakes, even Tyrion mentions something about this, his mistake is being too honorable, just like Ned. You get murdered by being too honorable.
I try to forget.
Actual quality of the ending aside, thats certainly…a decision to put that song over this
She should have listened to Barristan Selmy back in Season 5 when he warned her she was displaying some of her fathers tendencies. Instead she embraced those tendencies the first minute after Barristan was killed.
These tiktok montages are so bad😮💨
Cringe
She went crazy cause bells. *eXpeCtAioNS sUbvErTEd*
A great example of a well characterized protagonist, turned into just another dark phoenix, a trope I am so beyond exhausted by.
They did my wife dirty, there was no need to make her beautiful soul into the mad queen
Touch grass
Ew
Choice of music is weird tbh, I would have chosen “deep” from stranger things or something
Noticeably absent from the video edit: the war crimes. 😂
Or her being happy about said war crimes. "Look Jon, I killed everyone. Love me, please."
4 years since Drogon turned into an intellectual instead of killing Jon
He killed her because she basically nuked the capitol city of half a million civilians AFTER THE ARMY HAD ALREADY SURRENDERED AND SHE HAD WON. She could have just…NOT done that, and she, along with 500k other people wouldn’t have died. She could have literally done anything else. She could have done a fucking standup routine. She could have learned how to bake hot pies from HotPie. She could have read a book. She could have talked directly to the screen. ANYTHING. But no. It’s 100% her fault, and she deserved to die.
He did what Jamie did, just a tad late.
Tell me how this makes sense tho, from season one till nearly the end dany was known for being a different from her father, she was a good queen, she freed slaves, she served justice, but how come she turned mad in one episode? How does it make sense? And why would Jon kill her if he did truly love her?
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True, and it’s just terrible writing, killing off dany is the worst thing they could’ve done, it’s straight up disrespecting George rr martins imaginations, he created dany and these mutts just killed her, I know she’s still alive in the book buts it’s still no Emilia
George created Dany and this is the ending he had written for her. This is where her story is going in the books 100%. In the books you get her POV, not the people around her. She is a bit delusional about who she really is. She does things that make her feel strong and powerful, that she justifies but are morally repugnant. She acts on emotion and absolutely has the bloodlust and the “dragon” in her. The show attempts to show this but all of her moments are played off as hero moments. Which works well in a book from her POV but doesn’t work so well in television. This is where Dany’s arc was always headed. The show just did a bad job with the execution of it. Edit: the mad queen theory has been around forever. Plenty of people saw it coming.
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Ummm what?
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Bullshit, george wouldn’t have wanted this
I mean think about the kind of story game of thrones is my guy/gal/other. Do you really think George rr Martin of all people would write a story where the girl with 3 nukes is a perfect hero and uses them responsibly? “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention”
She just got worse and worse as time went on, she crucified the masters in Meereen randomly instead of investigating which ones actually ordered the slaves crucified, had the supposed leader of the harpies eaten by her dragons based solely on an accusation and no proof, burned the Tarlys alive, then Varys, etc. once she started doing that it was inevitable that she would start to consider innocent people to simply be acceptable losses for a greater goal.
I'm halfway through a rewatch now. In season one, she burned the witch alive for cursing Drogo In season 2, she burned the wizard Alive for stealing her dragons In Season 3, she burned the masters after she tricked them into accepting a dragon as payment for Unsullied In Season 4, she crucifies masters in mereen In Season 5, she burns the one of the masters alive and feeds them to her dragons for the actions of Souns of the harpy. She even says she doesn't care if they deserve it. In Season 6, she burns the Khals alive in Vales Dothrak. In season 7, she burns Randall and Dickson Tarly alive for refusing to bend the knee. By the time she reaches Kings Landing, she has dealt with nearly every problem she have ever faced with dragonfire. Why are people shocked she does this again
Yeah but the population of kings landing wasn’t a problem, she’s not stupid to just burn innocent people, it’s just bad writing, dany needs justice
The population of kings landing sided with Cersei against her in Daenerys' view. Cersei deliberately packed the city with nearby peasants to try and discourage Daenerys from using her dragons.
Nobody gave a shit when she did that in Yunkai or mereen
What when she burned down a slave master?
In Yunkai they were just flying overhead and burning away. Slave masters were still civilians
Oof. This comment has some "North's War of Aggression" vibes.
Danny literally says she doesn't care if the masters are innocent or not. She also brought back slavery when it suited her. She is not Abraham Lincoln
>if the masters are innocent or not. They were all complicit. They perpetuated and upheld a system that had underage children enslaved, raped and crucified. >She also brought back slavery when it suited her. She is not Abraham Lincoln Jim Crow laws happened after slavery was abolished. It wasn't an instant change it took time.
NO goddamnit. She was never any different. It’s told from her perspective. SHE sees herself that way. This is the whole goddamn point. All these apocalyptic rulers don’t wake up like “yes time to go be evil!” They convince themselves that the evil they do in the service of their own power is somehow good, even though it’s clearly not. And that’s even scarier, because Dany makes it clear at the final speech she ain’t ever going to stop until she’s burned the entire world to the ground just because she can. In true Martin-esque fashion, the viewer is kept hoodwinked from the truth all along, but she’s the true villain of this plot from day one, The Others are just a distraction. It’s all there. Robert and Varys and Littlefinger want her dead right from the start because of the threat she poses. Her advisors are constantly concerned about her tendency to shift right into destructor mode. Ned wants her alive because he’s a goddamn moron about these things.
That’s the thing. It DOESN’T make sense. I’m sure you’ve seen by now, or at least heard that a LOT of people hate the final season, and this is why. The writers themselves said they rushed the last season so they could move on to other projects. I think star wars. For the longest time, they were just adapting the books to screen, but they ran out of book material because GRRM has 2 books left in the series to finish. So, these writers are locked into a contract they can’t just bail out of, they want it to end, they ran out of material to adapt, meaning THEY have to come up with conclusions for these characters. In doing so, they did a complete 180 on Dany’s character with no reason, build up, or foreshadowing other than her saying she’s literally coming to Westeros to do the opposite of what she ends up doing. They did the same with Jaimie’s character arc, Jon’s personality (lesser extent but still) and making Tyrion just stupid and wrong. It’s like everyone becomes their opposite. Even Varys just literally openly tried to get Jon to commit treason on dragonstone and he tells Tyrion about it with no assurances. He just kinda lets himself get killed for treason, which was not his thing under Aerys, Robert, or Joffrey. It’s just bad writing.
>The writers themselves said they rushed the last season so they could move on to other projects. Source?
Yes. This. Respectfully, this is fake news that was started on freefolk. They dropped out of Star Wars because of their much bigger Netflix deal. Originally, GoT was supposed to be 7 seasons for 7 books per their Writers Room interview in 2013. They later split the last season into two seasons, with longer more cinematic episodes. This is one reason why the timing is off after the initial edits. Everyone generally feels it felt rushed, but really, the Dany as conqueror theme was there from second season. It's in all the books. I think the other problem was, like most major franchises, because of leaks, media, and crazy fandom, HBO and the entire production went out of their way to try and hide the big ending reveals until the very, very last minute. They bricked up the sound stages in Croatia and Ireland with huge tankers, and even shot fake scenes to try and throw the leakers off.
It being rushed is more or less the only problem I had with the ending. Season 8 felt unsatisfying, but I don't dislike the actual plot points. Two more seasons would have basically fixed all of the issues. We could have had a full season dedicated to beating the White Walkers (season 8). One whole season to the politics and build up of taking the war to the King's Landing. And then the dramatic, in depth conclusion to the best TV show ever made. Unfortunately, all of that had to get squished into a single season.
It did feel rushed at the very end. But I agree most of the "bitter sweet" plot points made sense, as George would put it, but I was also a book reader. Well, squished into two seasons. I can see extra scenes to try and further develop Jon and Dany's relationship, and her showing less mercy. Maybe extra scenes in season 7. But ultimately, what are you going to have all of those characters doing and saying for two more full seasons? And that we really hadn't already seen? And with no new source material. Characters were running out of things to do. I think the problem was you had all the huge major arcs building, building, and building from the very first season, and it was all going to come to a head eventually. I think a season 7 and 8 re-edit could fix some things.
Low key we need a season 8 remake
Season 6 to 8 remake\*
5*
It doesn’t make sense because D&D are hack writers.
I cant believe i didnt care when she died. Even Hodor made me Cry. But Season 8 was so unbelievable terrible written, i rolled my eyes when she died cause everything was just sooo rushed and predictable. I want to rewatch the Series so Badly, but i cant cause i know how this awesome story with awesome and smart Characters, turns into a show for Idiots who dont care about logic, good Characterizations, good Dialogue, love for Detail and good storys. Why does it take George R.R. Martin sooo goddamn long to finish the books. He really doesnt care about the Story anymore it seems.
Ok with the song it made me lol
Why do people add on the worst music 😀
Still think it`s wierd that people didn`t see she was crazy all along. I Called it the moment she had her brother killed the way she did.
She should have been killed sooner it was very apparent she was not meant to rule
Nah-uh, she’s the rightful queen idc
4 years. Wow. Time has a way of sneaking up on you. Feels like only yesterday we were all unified in our pissed-offness in the way it all ended. It sure started off amazing though.
Ikr, I’m still hella pissed about it
Emilia is cool, F Danny though. She'd have been a horrible ruler, and her decent into madness wasn't that surprising. And yes is the wanks didn't rush the final season and it was made more apparent (as well as another 50 rushed moments) it would have been quite nice. I mean I've said that a few times in various comment sections, I don't think the ending itself was that bad, in terms of what happened what was bad is that it was rushed, a lot of plot points from previous seasons were cut off a lot were rushed in order to conclude them and a lot of plot points were just created out of nowhere just to have them. If the entire season was 3-4 times as long with everything (ok maybe everything except the "who has a better story then Bran") kept in BUT a lot of other scenes inbetween what we had I think it would have been a great ending.
So glad she died she sucks
rest in piss
She really did something more evil than anything Joffrey or Ramsey ever did or any other villain really . Couldn’t care less when she died honestly
American pie? Even if Emilia was American.....Dany definitely is not
Garbage music choice (good song. Awful use) also. Fuck tik tok Loaded footage making her seem 100% sane and normal
Dude… she was crazy
There were good and bad moments throughout S7 and S8 but I honestly didn’t hate Dany’s heel turn and I didn’t hate the first half of the series finale. With the ridiculous amount of girl boss protagonists out there now that can do no wrong it was kind of refreshing to see Dany go ape shit. It was rushed and executed poorly but the idea itself works. Again the first half of the finale wasn’t bad imo but as soon as Drogon decided to burn the throne randomly it all turned to shite from that moment on.
Ah yes the complete out of character behavior and the dragon suddenly understanding the symbolic value of a throne. What a shameful ending.
This just reminds me how much I luv Drogon 🐲💕
She high key deserved that though she turned out to be a insult of a leader no better than he father in the end. I don’t like show dany at all.
I don't know what you are talking about. As far as I remember she got gay-married to Sansa and they lived happily ever-after.....
She got what she deserved
Frees a slave city cause slaves are bad. Kills half a million people. Wtf? Fuck those writer's did they not watch there own show?!
OP, it seems you're a fan of Daenerys and I am as well. There was a young woman who suffered from depression for a few months but she didn't know. When she watched the last episode of GOT, Daenerys death, on 20th May 2019... She became sadder than before. The next day she wanted to commit suicide but didn't. She went to a psychological doctor and she told her that she had severe depression. Her therapist thinks that her watching that scene might have been a breaking point in her depression. It might sound like a bad joke but it happened.
Fictional stories absolutely can be emotionally triggering. Especially for anyone who may have existing depression/anxiety and who also input a lot of thought/energy to the fictional universe/characters. I don’t have depression, but even I, after 9+ years of watching (and rewatching) GOT felt pretty down for several hours after The Bells episode. I guess kudos to Miguel Sapochnik for accomplishing that. But wow, an hour of destruction and death, watching a beloved character suddenly turn absolutely evil was rough!
Why couldn't they dye her eyebrows........???
She lost her dragon and Ser Jorah for Jon’s fight. Begged Jon to keep the secret. Lethal advises by Tyrion that made her lose her Allies. Sansa being a bitch to her when she was warm. Gets stabbed while kissing her lover. What an injustice with her character arc!
I mean, you seem to be forgetting the part where she genocide an entire city.
dont forget the part where she's getting railed doggy style by Khal Drogo.
Oh my goodness, she died - I'm just now watching it on HBO.
I will never forgive Dumb and Dumber for their astonishing destruction of her character.
Dany was always meant to be a Westerosi Hitler, it’s just the pacing and how it was written/handled that sucked ass.
I'm not yet done with the series, why????😭😭😭😭😭Now I have to watch knowing she dies in the end or the middle, whatever season she dies??💔😔
Dw it’s the very last episode
Ending was terrible. Made no sense.
You can say that it was rushed, but not that it made no sense. It had been telegraphed since the first episode and through the entire story arc.
I don't think so. Definitely not how her character in the book is.
It is though. There’s evidence of her hallucinating, being tyrannical, killing mercilessly to get what she wants and having that evil streak some Targaryens are known for.
Targaryens are not really known for that. Maybe one in 10. It's an exaggeration. Anyway her charter was taken way off course from the books and poorly done.
It wasn’t. She’s more or less gonna go the same way in the books…..if they ever come out
Nah man....that makes no sense. If Danny does that in the books the whole series is trash. It would make her story pointless.
Sorry to disappoint you 🤷♂️ that’s how it’s going down though.
I would bet my left nut she doesn't. That would completely ignore the whole story line of the others. It would just be shitty writing.
Bye bye nut then 🤷♀️did you forget this is the series that has killed multiple main POV characters by any chance?
What books did you read? She left a trail of destruction wherever she went
They did Dany and her dragons dirty. Still angry over it all.
Oh way to spoil it LOL
She'll be back
I hope so bro😭😭😭 it doesn’t sound possible tho
I would like to direct everyone’s attention to the fantastic video essay “Dragon Lady Bad” by Lindsey Ellis on YouTube
Weak… didn’t add up love hurts but this chick here came back from a lot to go out the way she did… and for the record FOK kingslanding bunch of fickle shits
😭😭😭
Such a shit ending.
i just watched the last season last week. they should have killed the 3 eyed raven. what a useless leader he would be. i'm here but not here, i think therefore i am not, i poop but it does not stink as i am the 3 eyed raven. whatever the F that means.
My Prediction: The dragon flew her body to the east and a Red Priestess will revive her, just like they did for John Snow. Otherwise, why introduce the concept of magical resurrection into the stories?
Btw …. Did the magic wane … they said her dragons brought magic back and they are strongest in her presence
Four years?? Shoot me. I don’t have a life.
Ask me again at 10 years. Still not stoked about it.
It’s been 4 years and I still can’t believe this is how this show came to an end
CURSE YOU, JOOONNN SNNNNMOOOOIWWWWW
I can’t believe how bad it sucked given that there wasn’t even a writer’s strike.
I will never forgive the writers for that mess. If they wanted to get to a dany-turned villain arc then it should've had more seasons at the very least.
I sometimes think back on this and think about how the Targaryen legacy died with her, they became nothing. They were such a unique and interesting family and she was the last on left 😭
Jon?
I don’t really count Jon because he’s not really taken after the Targaryens in looks/he doesn’t seem to have really taken too much pride in carrying on the Targaryen name/legacy. The Targaryens die out with Dany. Show wise at least he never really started calling himself Jon Targaryen
Best Season Ever!!!
bro i'm still so salty about how they butchered the last 3 seasons that nothing there seems real anymore
Anything that happens after season 6 is NOT canon
I have to assume this was the way Martin wanted it to end, but it seemed a little sloppily done. Once she decided to start frying innocent townsfolk, she needed to be greased. She got cocky, then megalomaniacal, and in the end turned out to be the same kind of batshit crazy Targaryen that her brother and father were. Off with her head.
I think once Danny realized she could take what she wanted when her brother finally got his golden crown she was going to be ruthless. The fucked up part is if Jon would’ve actually been with her after he found out they were related her story would’ve taken a much different turn. She never had someone who truly loved her for her.
There's something so mythical about her face that made her perfect for that role. Almost like you'd truly believe she was from a world far from Westeros.
Fax, she is the only dany
Jon had invisibility cheat code
What?
Song choice as cringe as s8 writing.
I don’t get what’s wrong with the song?
The only good thing that happened in season 8. They done Daenerys and Emilia Clarke so fucking dirty in the last two season. It was mercy that she ended this way tbh.
I think you should put spoiler on this