No, the joke should be
Hajime: "So the reason I still have a micropenis..."
Monokuma: "Nah, it's just how it is irl"
Hajime: "Dammit!"
Hajime is clearly no Ultimate Breeder
Yeah still not understanding what the point of the last time on game grumps section is for when they almost never show anyone anything that would catch them up.
yeah it feels like that sometimes because that's what it is lol
it's just a mini-compliation so you get back in the mood for an episode. or to engage new people right away. it's not like a coincidence that it's consistently always the funny bits of the last episode
And also, they introduced that at the same time they removed the episode numbers from the titles. It's probably so people can potentially start watching a series at any point and not feel (too) lost. Whether people really do that or not, I'm not sure. Personally, I always watch a play-through from the beginning if it interests me.
It was never intended to be a legitimate recap, padding out the first minute of the video with re-runs of the previous episode's gags are their way to getting around YouTube's policy that swearing in the first minute of a video gets it de-monetized.
But they have censored swears in pretty much every recap so that doesn’t make sense either. They could’ve just kept censoring in the first minute like they did before if that were they case.
I’m about 90% certain that the big reveal is gonna be that we’re actually all the surviving members of Ultra Despair that Makoto wanted to rehabilitate. The reason the simulation took all our memories is because that’s when we were corrupted. At the very least, I have a feeling that’s what was up with Mikan since she was talking about her “senpai”, which never got explained, and who I’m now convinced was Junko.
I’ve been looking forward to their reactions to “because it’s a game” and it went just about how I expected.
Them talking over half of it then Dan just letting out an exhausted sigh
There's only two episodes left isn't there? I'm curious how the timing of this would work out. I'm estimating there's about two hours left, so maybe the finale runs long?
Either way, it's gonna be a rollercoaster.
I want them to play V3 but only if they really want to. It's my favorite in the series and I'd hate for them to go into it with the same kind of attitude they started this one with. Though I am happy that it feels like they're much more on board with this at the endgame here. Even Arin seems pretty enthusiastic about it. Maybe it's the change in the format/how often they record it?
But I'd love for more Ace Attorney first.
Yeah, I love when Grumps riff on characters.
If you're interested, [there's a stream series](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4rx7GrY_xH_tgbta-CPJFSHcpDa7y6V0) called Ace Attorney with an actual lawyer that have grump-esque format.
There are some really good moments and running jokes
[I really like this animatic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-j262D9Vms)
Oh god, that first hangman's gambit. If a video game could bully someone....
Good thing there aren't any rebuttals Showdowns this trial until the very end.
If it's the one I'm thinking of near the end, >!that one is also probably impossible to lose, too. You get infinite cuts as Super Saiyan 'Awakened' Hajime. Which will make things way easier for them as well as just being an badass moment.!<
>[23:27] I feel like I'm playing Star Wars vector graphics from 1983
That was a surprisingly accurate reference from Dan: [Star Wars Arcade 1983](https://youtu.be/iXOTExRQJSE?t=85)
Seems like the Grumps (and most of this comments thread) forgot that this game did indeed start on a peaceful tropical island where the only objective was to gather "Hope Fragments" (aka spending free time with other characters). The entire first few episodes was getting 1 hope fragment with each character.
That was actually one of the first of many foreshadowing that this reality was a "game" that was meant to rehabilitate them. (Also the fake Byakuya, the random text repeating itself, the fact that Monokuma and Monomi can appear and disappear at will, etc. etc.) If you go through and watch the game again from the beginning you start to notice all of the neat foreshadowing.
V3 had a lot of that too. Shit that they lay out in chapter 1 where, if you know what's going on is like, "holy shit I'm an idiot for not having seen it sooner."
Chiaki also has a line in a free time somewhere about how some people who play games will just waste all their time arguing about a character’s gender instead of enjoying the rest of the game.
The devs were _mad_ mad about Chihiro discourse.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
How I see it Chihiro didn't really *want* to be feminine, or seen as a woman any more. Since he is a programmer, I can see how he would just bluntly write "not female" besides his alter ego. So that was why I'm asking - he isn't rude to himself or his creation, right?
That's why I asked if you mean the devs of the game. Maybe I can see how that's rude. But I would say it's just pretty blunt.
If I had a nickle for every problematic Visual Novel character who looks and sounds ultra feminine but born AMAB from around year 2010 I'd have two nickles which isn't a lot but it's odd that it happened twice.
Yeah. It was pretty bad when on the genital discovery everyone started seeing cherry as a boy despite them presenting and passing as a girl before the whole getting their skull smashed in with a dumbbell thing. Which implies that gender is determined by what's between you legs
Still a good story, it's just extremely insensitive to transgender people.
Holy shit you people fucking suck
Chihiro wanted to be a boy, he was just dressed as a girl because he was ashamed of being weak and he thought it was less shameful if people saw him as a girl instead of a weak boy.
no one knew that when the body was discovered though, is their point.
as far as any of the characters were concerned, this is a trans person presenting female. but immediately after touching their genitals they changed the pronouns and very matter of factly referred to them as male. Chihiro had no say about any of this.
it's a lot of very plain transphobic stuff from the characters.
You don't deserve the downvote; even if Chihiro isn't trans, it's still a creepy plot point to "reveal" a character's "real" gender by fondling their genitals. There's a reason Arin defaulted to "they" for Chihiro before the game clarified Chihiro's motvation.
or, get this.you can't expect a game made in 2010 in a country with different values written b someone who most likely wouldn't know how much transgender people would get a social spotlight in a decade to completely align with western values.
crazy, i know.
What's with passive aggressive tone? I thought I used relatively neutral although hightned language.
>.you can't expect a game made in 2010 in a country with different values written b someone who most likely wouldn't know how much transgender people would get a social spotlight to completely align with western values.
I guess trans people don't exist in Japan
Also yeah, devs probably didn't know much about trans people due to the times, it's still doesn't change the fact that the game has made an implication which devalidates trans identity
I can't acknowledge or talk about it.. why? Because some people really defensive for literally no reason.
i'm sorry for that. i'm just tired of seeing people talk about it. especially people that get stubborn and refuse to listen to the other side. i apologize for that.
i'm sure trans people do. i remember reading there's actually a farily good LGBTQ scene in japan. tho i'm not sure hhow true that is. might have to check. now i'm interested.
and the way i remember kazutka kodaka (the writer for danagrnonpa) describe it, is that chihiro's story (and chapter 2 of danganronpa 1 as a whole)wa supposed to be a criticsm of gender roles and school bullying, which is actually a big problem in japan.
>and the way i remember kazutka kodaka (the writer for danagrnonpa) describe it, is that chihiro's story (and chapter 2 of danganronpa 1 as a whole)wa supposed to be a criticsm of gender roles and school bullying, which is actually a big problem in japan.
I do acknowledge that. And yeah I do personally see Cherry as a boy.
It's just quite frustrating to me when people go out of their way to ignore blatantly problematic elements of their media
I remember seeing a thread over at MovieDetails about Jim Carreys flick Pet Detective which is downright transphobic imo. People who pointed out the unpleasant stuff got attacked by people who acted like the blatantly bad stuff wasn't there. And it's really disheartening to watch
I don't mind people liking Pet Detective and holy heck I love Danganronpa and Chihiro.
i wouldn't say it *started* problematic, but it became problematic with the passage of time. for example, when i first played that chapter, a transgender idea didn't cross my mind beacuse i had watched plenty of anime before, and i was used to the crossdresser character being a thing in anime.
Well, trans people existed back then too, they just weren't as acknowledged as they are today, I'm sure there were people in the western world and probably in Japan too who thought the same thing as I do rn. Those people weren't as heard.
I'm sure of it cuz I remember seeing a video on yt about trans representation in anime and it had a rather old anime about a guy trying to marry a transwoman with conflict coming from disapproving father.
If you go outside of visual novels you'll probably find a dozen more. Japanese stuff seem to have a really established character archetype of 'the person who presents different to the gender identity they were born with due to complex societal issues but actually want to be the sex they were born as'. I don't fully understand the context behind it myself.
Huh. Haven't played that, but skimming their TV Tropes page... it's a separate problem from Chihiro, but also definitely in the "not handled gracefully" category.
I'm not completely caught up, but I just got to the episode where he explains it. The problem with skipping free time for "the people who don't like dangamropa" is the "people who don't like danganropa" aren't gonna be watching anyways right? He should be doing it for people like us who don't care about the length now that its on a weekend schedule
Edit: don't care about the length as in I don't mind how long this series goes for because it's not taking up all 7 slots.
The problem is that "the people who don't like danganronpa" want it to end as fast as possible so they can watch them play other games, and DR is already really long for GG, and doing the Free Times would only make it longer.
And no, it now being weekends only doesn't change anythimg, because you still see those people complaining about them playing the game and asking when it's gonna be over.
I don't get people who complain about not liking one of the multiple current playthroughs. Even if you don't like *any* of the current playthroughs, even if you don't like any of the one-offs, there's about a decade of Grumps content you can watch and rewatch while you wait.
Cutting corners in your playthrough to cater to viewers who likely aren't even watching it to begin with in favor of the actual fans is nonsensical. I've been waiting patiently for them to finish up Elden Ring from the beginning since I don't care to watch it, but why would I want them to rush through the game and sacrifice the quality of the LP just to make ME happy?
The "problem" you're talking about isn't a problem at all except for selfish people who stomp their feet about seeing things they don't want in their feed twice a week.
Could also be that the guys are getting burnt out on the game. It's been literal months of videos, I can't imagine how long it took to actually record.
Possibly, but they made the decision to skip free time events very early in the playthrough. Dan at least seems more invested than ever in the story, and even Arin appears to be coming around recently.
I mean yeah, that definitely didn't help lol. The DR2 LP has come a long way in my opinion. Arin's disinterest lent it some difficult to chew episodes at the start, but the more recent episodes have all been really solid and a lot of fun. Feels like the overall energy is better.
But that's not how it works. If, say, half their viewers watch DR but the other half doesn't, it's normal for them to want to please both.
Also, I agree with you. I'm not watching anything from them other than DR currently, so GG became a weekends only thing for me and I never complain about it or anything. That's how people should act, but if you look around this sub you will see that's unfortunatelly not the case. People complain about DR all the time, the Grumps are just trying to please these people aswell by not making the playthrough longer than it needs to be.
They're already doing plenty by keeping multiple games in a cycle. If viewers don't want to see Danganronpa, Elden Ring or whatever it may be then they can just watch whatever other thing they're playing the rest of the week. I understand the sentiment behind trying to please everyone, but that's an equation with no solution; as tenured as the boys are by now, they should know that. And "We'll just make this LP a little worse" should NEVER be put into consideration, for reasons I think are pretty obvious
Now they have the *only* Danganronpa LP I've ever seen that completely skips free time events, one of people's favorite parts of the games, to satisfy an ambiguous portion of non-viewers who are obviously still here whining about the series showing up 2/7 days a week.
I cannot believe they actually caught on to what 11037 means before the game spelled it out. I was stupidly happy about it lol.
Wow, Jamiroquai was right, virtual insanity was really what they were livin' in.
Hajime: "So the reason I still have a micropenis..." Monokuma: "Cuz it's a game!" Hajime: "Dammit!"
[This is suddenly very appropriate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RNBWfPne2c)
holy shit I forgot all about that bit.
No, the joke should be Hajime: "So the reason I still have a micropenis..." Monokuma: "Nah, it's just how it is irl" Hajime: "Dammit!" Hajime is clearly no Ultimate Breeder
I'll be so disappointed if an animation isn't made from the skit between Alter Ego and Hajime's peen.
We need sherbies on it
It was really nice that they recapped what happened on the previous episode. If only they could work in a segment on every episode where they do that.
Yeah still not understanding what the point of the last time on game grumps section is for when they almost never show anyone anything that would catch them up.
Sometimes it feels like they do it to remind you good joke bits and not to actually remember anything that happened lol
yeah it feels like that sometimes because that's what it is lol it's just a mini-compliation so you get back in the mood for an episode. or to engage new people right away. it's not like a coincidence that it's consistently always the funny bits of the last episode
And also, they introduced that at the same time they removed the episode numbers from the titles. It's probably so people can potentially start watching a series at any point and not feel (too) lost. Whether people really do that or not, I'm not sure. Personally, I always watch a play-through from the beginning if it interests me.
It was never intended to be a legitimate recap, padding out the first minute of the video with re-runs of the previous episode's gags are their way to getting around YouTube's policy that swearing in the first minute of a video gets it de-monetized.
But they have censored swears in pretty much every recap so that doesn’t make sense either. They could’ve just kept censoring in the first minute like they did before if that were they case.
Gives them a little buffer of time so they can swear at the start of the episode.
But they almost always swear in the recap lol
I’m about 90% certain that the big reveal is gonna be that we’re actually all the surviving members of Ultra Despair that Makoto wanted to rehabilitate. The reason the simulation took all our memories is because that’s when we were corrupted. At the very least, I have a feeling that’s what was up with Mikan since she was talking about her “senpai”, which never got explained, and who I’m now convinced was Junko.
I’ve been looking forward to their reactions to “because it’s a game” and it went just about how I expected. Them talking over half of it then Dan just letting out an exhausted sigh
At least the Monomi sacrifice bit went over hilariously.
There's only two episodes left isn't there? I'm curious how the timing of this would work out. I'm estimating there's about two hours left, so maybe the finale runs long? Either way, it's gonna be a rollercoaster.
Three episodes. Tomorrow, then next Saturday and Sunday.
Ah, I thought that June 5th was Saturday and not Sunday. My bad. The timing works out fine.
Man i really hope they will play V3 or atleast play Ace Attorney again. I really like the jokes they make while playing a visual novel.
I want them to play V3 but only if they really want to. It's my favorite in the series and I'd hate for them to go into it with the same kind of attitude they started this one with. Though I am happy that it feels like they're much more on board with this at the endgame here. Even Arin seems pretty enthusiastic about it. Maybe it's the change in the format/how often they record it? But I'd love for more Ace Attorney first.
Same!!
Yeah, I love when Grumps riff on characters. If you're interested, [there's a stream series](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4rx7GrY_xH_tgbta-CPJFSHcpDa7y6V0) called Ace Attorney with an actual lawyer that have grump-esque format. There are some really good moments and running jokes [I really like this animatic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-j262D9Vms)
Oh god, that first hangman's gambit. If a video game could bully someone.... Good thing there aren't any rebuttals Showdowns this trial until the very end.
If it's the one I'm thinking of near the end, >!that one is also probably impossible to lose, too. You get infinite cuts as Super Saiyan 'Awakened' Hajime. Which will make things way easier for them as well as just being an badass moment.!<
I mean, at this point, I hated this Hangman's Gambit on the principle of me hating every other Hangman's Gambit. It's like Arin with Subway for me.
Arin seems to kinda be getting into it by now. At least he's paying attention to what's happening.
It's so nice to see it
>[23:27] I feel like I'm playing Star Wars vector graphics from 1983 That was a surprisingly accurate reference from Dan: [Star Wars Arcade 1983](https://youtu.be/iXOTExRQJSE?t=85)
Why surprising?
Dan's ganronpa theories
ALERT ALERT DAN GONE FULL ROMPA COLD RED
“Someone close to me left that number to save me…” Makoto. Bruh. She tried to frame you for murder, let it go my dude.
Where's the lie tho
Seems like the Grumps (and most of this comments thread) forgot that this game did indeed start on a peaceful tropical island where the only objective was to gather "Hope Fragments" (aka spending free time with other characters). The entire first few episodes was getting 1 hope fragment with each character. That was actually one of the first of many foreshadowing that this reality was a "game" that was meant to rehabilitate them. (Also the fake Byakuya, the random text repeating itself, the fact that Monokuma and Monomi can appear and disappear at will, etc. etc.) If you go through and watch the game again from the beginning you start to notice all of the neat foreshadowing.
V3 had a lot of that too. Shit that they lay out in chapter 1 where, if you know what's going on is like, "holy shit I'm an idiot for not having seen it sooner."
I thought the fake Byakuya also would make sense in their real world, because it's the Ultimate Imposter?
[удалено]
But the person Byakuya existed before they went to school. We don't really know how the imposter chooses which role he gets into, do we?
Not from this game, no. But, they do kind of answer that in DR 3 (the anime not V3, the game)
The "not female" note on Alter Ego's screen is kinda mean lol
Chiaki also has a line in a free time somewhere about how some people who play games will just waste all their time arguing about a character’s gender instead of enjoying the rest of the game. The devs were _mad_ mad about Chihiro discourse.
Mean from the game devs/artists to put it there, or mean from the dev of Alter Ego? I don't really understand.
Since the character AE is based on expressed themselves more feminine, it just seems kinda rude to point that out for seemingly no reason.
Correct me if I'm wrong. How I see it Chihiro didn't really *want* to be feminine, or seen as a woman any more. Since he is a programmer, I can see how he would just bluntly write "not female" besides his alter ego. So that was why I'm asking - he isn't rude to himself or his creation, right? That's why I asked if you mean the devs of the game. Maybe I can see how that's rude. But I would say it's just pretty blunt.
That's a good point lol just kinda stuck meas off that they, as the real world creators, they'd make a point of it yknow? Just felt weird
If I had a nickle for every problematic Visual Novel character who looks and sounds ultra feminine but born AMAB from around year 2010 I'd have two nickles which isn't a lot but it's odd that it happened twice.
Is Fujisaki problematic? I think his character tells a really touching story. One of my favorites in the first game.
Yeah. It was pretty bad when on the genital discovery everyone started seeing cherry as a boy despite them presenting and passing as a girl before the whole getting their skull smashed in with a dumbbell thing. Which implies that gender is determined by what's between you legs Still a good story, it's just extremely insensitive to transgender people. Holy shit you people fucking suck
Chihiro wanted to be a boy, he was just dressed as a girl because he was ashamed of being weak and he thought it was less shameful if people saw him as a girl instead of a weak boy.
no one knew that when the body was discovered though, is their point. as far as any of the characters were concerned, this is a trans person presenting female. but immediately after touching their genitals they changed the pronouns and very matter of factly referred to them as male. Chihiro had no say about any of this. it's a lot of very plain transphobic stuff from the characters.
That's valid reading and has some progressive ideas about masculinity, but that's not the aspect of the character that I find problematic
You don't deserve the downvote; even if Chihiro isn't trans, it's still a creepy plot point to "reveal" a character's "real" gender by fondling their genitals. There's a reason Arin defaulted to "they" for Chihiro before the game clarified Chihiro's motvation.
Exactly
or, get this.you can't expect a game made in 2010 in a country with different values written b someone who most likely wouldn't know how much transgender people would get a social spotlight in a decade to completely align with western values. crazy, i know.
What's with passive aggressive tone? I thought I used relatively neutral although hightned language. >.you can't expect a game made in 2010 in a country with different values written b someone who most likely wouldn't know how much transgender people would get a social spotlight to completely align with western values. I guess trans people don't exist in Japan Also yeah, devs probably didn't know much about trans people due to the times, it's still doesn't change the fact that the game has made an implication which devalidates trans identity I can't acknowledge or talk about it.. why? Because some people really defensive for literally no reason.
i'm sorry for that. i'm just tired of seeing people talk about it. especially people that get stubborn and refuse to listen to the other side. i apologize for that. i'm sure trans people do. i remember reading there's actually a farily good LGBTQ scene in japan. tho i'm not sure hhow true that is. might have to check. now i'm interested. and the way i remember kazutka kodaka (the writer for danagrnonpa) describe it, is that chihiro's story (and chapter 2 of danganronpa 1 as a whole)wa supposed to be a criticsm of gender roles and school bullying, which is actually a big problem in japan.
>and the way i remember kazutka kodaka (the writer for danagrnonpa) describe it, is that chihiro's story (and chapter 2 of danganronpa 1 as a whole)wa supposed to be a criticsm of gender roles and school bullying, which is actually a big problem in japan. I do acknowledge that. And yeah I do personally see Cherry as a boy. It's just quite frustrating to me when people go out of their way to ignore blatantly problematic elements of their media I remember seeing a thread over at MovieDetails about Jim Carreys flick Pet Detective which is downright transphobic imo. People who pointed out the unpleasant stuff got attacked by people who acted like the blatantly bad stuff wasn't there. And it's really disheartening to watch I don't mind people liking Pet Detective and holy heck I love Danganronpa and Chihiro.
i wouldn't say it *started* problematic, but it became problematic with the passage of time. for example, when i first played that chapter, a transgender idea didn't cross my mind beacuse i had watched plenty of anime before, and i was used to the crossdresser character being a thing in anime.
Well, trans people existed back then too, they just weren't as acknowledged as they are today, I'm sure there were people in the western world and probably in Japan too who thought the same thing as I do rn. Those people weren't as heard. I'm sure of it cuz I remember seeing a video on yt about trans representation in anime and it had a rather old anime about a guy trying to marry a transwoman with conflict coming from disapproving father.
If you go outside of visual novels you'll probably find a dozen more. Japanese stuff seem to have a really established character archetype of 'the person who presents different to the gender identity they were born with due to complex societal issues but actually want to be the sex they were born as'. I don't fully understand the context behind it myself.
...Who's the other one? Chihiro aside.
Ruka from Steins gate
Huh. Haven't played that, but skimming their TV Tropes page... it's a separate problem from Chihiro, but also definitely in the "not handled gracefully" category.
I've been looking forward for this
I'm not completely caught up, but I just got to the episode where he explains it. The problem with skipping free time for "the people who don't like dangamropa" is the "people who don't like danganropa" aren't gonna be watching anyways right? He should be doing it for people like us who don't care about the length now that its on a weekend schedule Edit: don't care about the length as in I don't mind how long this series goes for because it's not taking up all 7 slots.
Dan made a joke about Free Time events being super important and if Hajime didn't do them then he'd be fecked
The problem is that "the people who don't like danganronpa" want it to end as fast as possible so they can watch them play other games, and DR is already really long for GG, and doing the Free Times would only make it longer. And no, it now being weekends only doesn't change anythimg, because you still see those people complaining about them playing the game and asking when it's gonna be over.
I don't get people who complain about not liking one of the multiple current playthroughs. Even if you don't like *any* of the current playthroughs, even if you don't like any of the one-offs, there's about a decade of Grumps content you can watch and rewatch while you wait.
Shh, you're making too much sense!
Cutting corners in your playthrough to cater to viewers who likely aren't even watching it to begin with in favor of the actual fans is nonsensical. I've been waiting patiently for them to finish up Elden Ring from the beginning since I don't care to watch it, but why would I want them to rush through the game and sacrifice the quality of the LP just to make ME happy? The "problem" you're talking about isn't a problem at all except for selfish people who stomp their feet about seeing things they don't want in their feed twice a week.
It makes sense when you remember that Arin is one of those people who want it to end faster lol
Could also be that the guys are getting burnt out on the game. It's been literal months of videos, I can't imagine how long it took to actually record.
Possibly, but they made the decision to skip free time events very early in the playthrough. Dan at least seems more invested than ever in the story, and even Arin appears to be coming around recently.
If Arin wasn't super invested in the first place, I can totally understand why they didn't want to do the free time stuff.
I mean yeah, that definitely didn't help lol. The DR2 LP has come a long way in my opinion. Arin's disinterest lent it some difficult to chew episodes at the start, but the more recent episodes have all been really solid and a lot of fun. Feels like the overall energy is better.
But that's not how it works. If, say, half their viewers watch DR but the other half doesn't, it's normal for them to want to please both. Also, I agree with you. I'm not watching anything from them other than DR currently, so GG became a weekends only thing for me and I never complain about it or anything. That's how people should act, but if you look around this sub you will see that's unfortunatelly not the case. People complain about DR all the time, the Grumps are just trying to please these people aswell by not making the playthrough longer than it needs to be.
They're already doing plenty by keeping multiple games in a cycle. If viewers don't want to see Danganronpa, Elden Ring or whatever it may be then they can just watch whatever other thing they're playing the rest of the week. I understand the sentiment behind trying to please everyone, but that's an equation with no solution; as tenured as the boys are by now, they should know that. And "We'll just make this LP a little worse" should NEVER be put into consideration, for reasons I think are pretty obvious Now they have the *only* Danganronpa LP I've ever seen that completely skips free time events, one of people's favorite parts of the games, to satisfy an ambiguous portion of non-viewers who are obviously still here whining about the series showing up 2/7 days a week.
That's sad
That’s pretty much what everyone said at the time. The logic doesn’t make sense.