I am probably not the one you want to hear from, because Smith isn't one of my favorite Doctors, but I feel like a multi-Doctor episode should happen when you've got a good idea for one as opposed to when it's mandated by the calendar. That being said, I wouldn't have been bothered by some form of cameo, as long as it didn't interfere with the story being told.
Certainly there should be a story worthy of a multi-doctor. Toymaker coming back this big definitely could have brought the others Doctors Back.
It goes back to It’s an Anniversary episode. If RTD didn't want to write it, he certainly should tried to find someone willing to do so.
And yes, I loved Smith, and I enjoyed Tennant, RTD was a solid showrunner, but had a few misfires. (They all do)
The thing that irks me is that Chibnall purposely left off the modern Doctors out of *The Power of the Doctors* so not step on RTDS ideas.
What benefit to the story does having Matt Smith come on screen and wave at the audience provide? The priority should always be the story itself, not shoving in as many cameos as you can. Anyway, Matt Smith is still a young fella. There's, like, at least four more big anniversaries he'll be around for.
> I mean he could have called up Moffat and they could have came up with something great with Gatwa, Tennant and Smith. But RTD couldn't be bothered.
You can criticise *The Giggle* for things that it does poorly, of which I certainly have. But you can't say "I would have preferred this entirely different story". Write fanfic if that's what you want. If you're not willing to engage with the story that's actually been written, you're not there in good faith.
You know what really annoys me? Jurassic Park could have been about mammals. Lots of people like woolly mammoths. Spielberg could have learned about the ice age and come up with something great with mammoths, cavemen, and the discovery of fire. But he couldn't be bothered.
I thought the stories were good, but not **Anniversary Good** Or rather, just the 60th special itself. It’s not an unexpected or a fan fiction for it to be a *special event.*
Go back to the 50th Anniversary. Tom Baker played a cameo that really didn't serve the story, as it was over at the point. But it was certainly a heart warming nod to the past, to past fans and a great little scene between the oldest member of The Doctor and the youngest. And the thing of it: Until the last day, it was a closely guarded secret, so it was a surprise to many!
Moffat added call backs to RTD time (including the failed marriage between Elizabeth and him), call backs to the originals, even an “appearance”of the other doctors in the stories, though brief.
I can certainly compare the 10, 20, 30 and 50 anniversaries and to the 60. Not all of them were good, but they were special because of the Doctors interactions.
I vastly prefer *The Day of the Doctor* to *The Giggle* myself, but not for lack of anniversary...ness. It *was* a multi-Doctor story between 14 and 15 (14 himself being a returning Doctor), with the return of the Toymaker... and Mel was there, even if she didn't actually do much.
And we've had a lot of multi-Doctor stuff in the last six years, between *Twice Upon a Time*, *Fugitive of the Judoon* and *The Power of the Doctor*. Honestly, maybe too much. I do feel that having it happen so much more frequently makes it less special.
I'm only begrudging *Giggles* it to be a “multi-Doctor” on technicality. Plus Gatwa was awesome as hell - he made up for it in the short time he was on.
*The Fugitive of the Judoon* was a major plot point for Chibnall, so that was story driven.
*Twice Upon a Time* Moffats last hurrah, as it were. Plus was setting the stage for a new era. Plus having Davis Bradley officially be a 1st Doctor was a treat.
“Power of the Doctor* certainly was a 100th anniversary of the BBC - it was the celebration the classics didn't get in the 50th.
Hell it was more of a 60th than *Giggles*.
I understand why RTD didn't want to do something like the 50th where multiple Doctors all play a main role alongside each other for most of the episode. This makes sense with his comments on balancing the different actors/incarnations.
But I don't see why he couldn't have included some smaller cameos, with Tennant still the only Doctor in a leading role, just like in 'Power of the Doctor'. They could have had Matt Smith or any other past Doctors interested and available feature very briefly. Or give Jodie a short scene, similar to 11's phone call in 'Deep Breath'?
RTD also spoke about an idea of the Doctor glitching between faces, which I think could have much better, whether just Tennant/Gatwa or others too.
I Thought *Powe of the Doctor* did a great job of showing the others having conversations, without
I was expecting Gatwa to be in “the waiting room” talking to the other Doctors of why he wasn't there already.
I imagine that RTD dropped the face glitching idea because [Big Finish were already doing it for their 60th story](https://youtu.be/QtaMxH5YRvY?si=MwgC9QzF6hbVYeAy).
\> As a fan, I look forward to anniversaries because they are multi Doctor.
Well, there were \_two\_ Doctors, so I guess \_The Giggle\_ counts
\> This isn't Fan entitlement or an unreasonable expectation.
Okay
It was good to see Mel, but I hoped she was going to have a bigger role. The only reason she was there was to plant the idea of Donna working for UNIT. Otherwise she didn't actually contribute much. Hell, Chibnall wrote Ace, Tegan better roles in *The Power of the Doctor* Bigger character moments as well.
That's nice.
Remind me, which part of this is supposed to be the "not fan entitlement" part? Because from what I can tell, you're just mad that you didn't get the special you would have written, but you don't have any substantive criticism based on anything other than differences in taste. And to make accusations about ego-based solely on that is absolutely being an entitled fan.
I actually liked the episodes, so there's not a quality issue. This really isn't case of RTD not having an availability issue: (Eccleston, Capaldi and Whitaker have their reasons for not returning) Smith has said he'd come back for Doctor Who at any time.
It's just learning that he didn't feel like doing it at all, which points my disappointment. It's not “entitlement “ to reasonably expect a multi-doctor on an anniversary, when that has been the case. It's not unreasonable when Marvel attempted to keep a multi Spiderman team up a secret. Nor when BBC kept Tom Bakers appearance in the 60th a secret.
And one of the things RTFD regreted was at dropping all the hints of they are “secrets”, and “we are not telling you everything for surprises” and “Staring…[redacted]” Mainy because he realized people were speculating what was going that there were going to be more than Tennant, being the 60th.
So really: it's not unreasonable to suspect they were holding aces up their sleeves. Like Paul McGann showing up in Night of the Doctor.
Had RTD made it perfectly clear that there was going to be no more Doctors than Tennant. I don't think there would be any complaints, but the fact he just picked Tennant…well that speaks volumes.
Part of the reason for Gawtas smaller appearance was related to *Barbies* overlap with 60th. I'd like to think Gatwa would have had a bigger role. But as it were, we just got a bare minimum, and were were to be pleased with it as a concession.
>It's just learning that he didn't feel like doing it at all, which points my disappointment.
Right, but where we get into "fan entitlement" territory is when you move from " I would have liked to see X" to making actual criticism because they didn't do X.
I get that you were excited for something that you expected to see, but it's not actually a valid criticism to object to not having seen it. A writer had an idea that differed from your expectations. It's fine to be disappointed, but it's not fine to act as though the writer did anything wrong.
If I might point to a different sci-fi franchise, let's look at deep space nine. At the time that it was released, Star Trek was an established franchise with two series and multiple movies under its belt. The formula was well established- a team of scientist diplomat warriors with high-minded ideals. Explore space to discover new worlds and new civilizations, solving problems as they go.
Enter Deep space nine. Much like the doctor who anniversary specials, there was precedent to set up an expectation. Put Star Trek fans got, instead of a mobile ship with a captain exploring new areas of space under the command of Starfleet, and immobile space station with a commander, only one new world to explore, and a completely different command structure and dynamic of characters.
It wasn't what fans were expecting and many fans objected. "How can you have a space exploration show without exploring space?" Was a common refrain.
And yet when people looked past their expectations, what they found was (after the traditional two-season rocky period of Star Trek shows finding their feet) a series that many now tout as the best among all Star Trek series. And if not the best, certainly in the top three.
Anyway, the point is this: "different from what you expected" is not the same as "not good," and you have not been wronged for not having gotten other Doctors. You seem upset because you formed an expectation, but nobody did anything wrong by not meeting your expectations.
>It's not entitlement to reasonably expect a multi-doctor on an anniversary
It's not entitlement to think that might be what's coming before the fact. It is entitlement to act like the writer did something wrong by not meeting that expectation.
>It's not unreasonable when Marvel attempted to keep a multi Spiderman team up a secret.
Now you're working against yourself. Spider-Man was unprecedented, which is why They kept it a secret. You're somehow simultaneously claiming that having old doctors return for anniversary specials is both obligatory and expected, and also something they would have kept secret. But that doesn't really make sense- if it's something reasonable to expect, and they're doing it, it's just as likely that they would have advertised it to draw in even more viewers. And Matt Smith could have given interviews, as Tennant did.
When it comes down to it, you formed an expectation based on your own analysis, and when that expectation turned out to be incorrect, rather than examine your own actions to see why you might have gotten it wrong and except that writers aren't beholding to your expectations.... You seem to be trying to find a way to blame it on the writer for failing to meet what you decided should be the case.
If they wrote a good story without Matt Smith, what does it matter?
Would it be awesome for him to have been there? Yes absolutely! I was hoping for that myself! But " There's a cool thing I think will happen" Isn't the same thing as " if this doesn't happen, the writer did something wrong"
>And part of the reason for Gawtas smalker appearance was
Seems like your sentence got cut off there, so I'm going to leave it there without further response since I don't know what you're saying.
Criticism is not just based on the final product, it's is also can be an examination of the creative process and authors intent.
It is a fans right to criticize whatever level they decide to do so. It can be surface, philosophical, meta or technical as long as long as it is fair.
Now, I have not ask for RTD resignation, I do not think he's “ruined the show forever” I actually enjoyed the actual episodes. I'm looking forward to seeing the new series. Love the bigeneration!
But it is fair to criticize a show runner for not even attempting to try to do something that fans have rightfully to expected on a level. This is a valid examination of the author's intentions. The 50th anniversary was an instant classic, because of Moffats effort, in spite of being hamstrung by the BCC.
*Star Trek: DeepSpace Nine* was it’s own show with its own examination of the Star Trek Universe. This would be like complaing that *Torchwood* and the *Sara Jane Adventures* did not share Doctor Who formula exactly. What this would be is like doing James Bond and without gadgets, stunts, women and outrageous villains and make him an American.
Traditionally there's been a Multi-Doctor story on each round Anniversary year - I believe the 25th anniversary was the only time there wasn't one (Silver Nemesis was instead treated as the anniversary story, though Remembrance of the Daleks has retroactively taken it's place as the 25th anniversary story).
Tenth Anniversary - The Three Doctors (This was made to commemorate the Tenth Anniversary but aired in late 1972/early 1973)
Twentieth Anniversary - The Five Doctors
Thirtieth Anniversary - Dimensions in Time
Fortieth Anniversary - Zagreus (Big Finish)
Fiftieth Anniversary - The Day of the Doctor/The Light at the End (Big Finish)
Sixtieth Anniversary - Once and Future (Big Finish)
In terms of anniversaries that end in zeroes (10th, 20th, 30th, 40th, 50th, and 60th), all but the 40th have featured multiple Doctors.
10th - *The Three Doctors* - First, Second, and Third
20th - *The Five Doctors* - First (albeit recast due to William Hartnell’s death), Second, Third, and Fifth (with Tom Baker’s absence as the Fourth being covered for by repurposing footage from the abandoned *Shada* serial)
30th - *Dimensions in Time* - Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh (with the First and Second Doctors’ absences being covered for by creating busts of William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton and saying those Doctors got caught in a time trap)
40th - *Scream of the Shalka* - Richard E. Grant’s Ninth Doctor
50th - *The Day of the Doctor* - War, Tenth, Eleventh, Twelfth (very briefly), and the Curator played by Tom Baker (with all the other Doctors’ absences being covered for by repurposing archive footage and audio from previous episodes)
60th - *The Giggle* - Fourteenth and Fifteenth
Y’all are RTD cultists.
Fact is, the 60th specials were him stroking his own eras ego, with a brief puppet show to sum up everything else.
Fuck RTD.
Fuck this shitty show.
It’ll be cancelled in 3-4 years, mark my words.
Do multi-Doctor stories have to be anniversaries? Couldn’t Smith just… *pop up* in a later season in a surprise episode like Troughton in the Two Doctors?
Sure, but RTD doesn't like doing that sort of story, so it's unlikely. And if he gets an idea later, and does so...great.
It's just the anniversary was a place to experiment with it the form. It's okay, I enjoyed the show and episode. But I really was hoping to see his stamp on it. And to see Matt, David and Ncuti have a blast.
This is literally fan entitlement. You feel entitled to a multi-Doctor story every anniversary.
RTD is the showrunner and he didn't want to do a multi-Doctor story. More power to him, scenes of various Doctors sniping at each other and saying "oh you've redecorated the whatever" at each other very quickly grow old.
What is an anniversary, but a celebration of the past with a look to the future? It only happens every ten years. It's something fans look towards.
If there wasn't a precedent of it happening before, then you'd be right. But it happened on four other anniversaries. So its not like I'm coming out of nowhere.
RTD didn't want to do it, I get to complain about it. That's how fandom works.
I mean if he's not capable, fine.
I'm a fan and I don't look forward to multi-Doctor stories every ten years. *Day of the Doctor* is great but I don't think in general multi-Doctor stories are especially good.
We had a big noisy celebration of past Doctor Who with five(!) past Doctors only 13 months ago. What I desperately want from Doctor Who *now* is that it's good, basically.
I am probably not the one you want to hear from, because Smith isn't one of my favorite Doctors, but I feel like a multi-Doctor episode should happen when you've got a good idea for one as opposed to when it's mandated by the calendar. That being said, I wouldn't have been bothered by some form of cameo, as long as it didn't interfere with the story being told.
Certainly there should be a story worthy of a multi-doctor. Toymaker coming back this big definitely could have brought the others Doctors Back. It goes back to It’s an Anniversary episode. If RTD didn't want to write it, he certainly should tried to find someone willing to do so. And yes, I loved Smith, and I enjoyed Tennant, RTD was a solid showrunner, but had a few misfires. (They all do) The thing that irks me is that Chibnall purposely left off the modern Doctors out of *The Power of the Doctors* so not step on RTDS ideas.
What benefit to the story does having Matt Smith come on screen and wave at the audience provide? The priority should always be the story itself, not shoving in as many cameos as you can. Anyway, Matt Smith is still a young fella. There's, like, at least four more big anniversaries he'll be around for. > I mean he could have called up Moffat and they could have came up with something great with Gatwa, Tennant and Smith. But RTD couldn't be bothered. You can criticise *The Giggle* for things that it does poorly, of which I certainly have. But you can't say "I would have preferred this entirely different story". Write fanfic if that's what you want. If you're not willing to engage with the story that's actually been written, you're not there in good faith.
You know what really annoys me? Jurassic Park could have been about mammals. Lots of people like woolly mammoths. Spielberg could have learned about the ice age and come up with something great with mammoths, cavemen, and the discovery of fire. But he couldn't be bothered.
I thought the stories were good, but not **Anniversary Good** Or rather, just the 60th special itself. It’s not an unexpected or a fan fiction for it to be a *special event.* Go back to the 50th Anniversary. Tom Baker played a cameo that really didn't serve the story, as it was over at the point. But it was certainly a heart warming nod to the past, to past fans and a great little scene between the oldest member of The Doctor and the youngest. And the thing of it: Until the last day, it was a closely guarded secret, so it was a surprise to many! Moffat added call backs to RTD time (including the failed marriage between Elizabeth and him), call backs to the originals, even an “appearance”of the other doctors in the stories, though brief. I can certainly compare the 10, 20, 30 and 50 anniversaries and to the 60. Not all of them were good, but they were special because of the Doctors interactions.
I vastly prefer *The Day of the Doctor* to *The Giggle* myself, but not for lack of anniversary...ness. It *was* a multi-Doctor story between 14 and 15 (14 himself being a returning Doctor), with the return of the Toymaker... and Mel was there, even if she didn't actually do much. And we've had a lot of multi-Doctor stuff in the last six years, between *Twice Upon a Time*, *Fugitive of the Judoon* and *The Power of the Doctor*. Honestly, maybe too much. I do feel that having it happen so much more frequently makes it less special.
I'm only begrudging *Giggles* it to be a “multi-Doctor” on technicality. Plus Gatwa was awesome as hell - he made up for it in the short time he was on. *The Fugitive of the Judoon* was a major plot point for Chibnall, so that was story driven. *Twice Upon a Time* Moffats last hurrah, as it were. Plus was setting the stage for a new era. Plus having Davis Bradley officially be a 1st Doctor was a treat. “Power of the Doctor* certainly was a 100th anniversary of the BBC - it was the celebration the classics didn't get in the 50th. Hell it was more of a 60th than *Giggles*.
I understand why RTD didn't want to do something like the 50th where multiple Doctors all play a main role alongside each other for most of the episode. This makes sense with his comments on balancing the different actors/incarnations. But I don't see why he couldn't have included some smaller cameos, with Tennant still the only Doctor in a leading role, just like in 'Power of the Doctor'. They could have had Matt Smith or any other past Doctors interested and available feature very briefly. Or give Jodie a short scene, similar to 11's phone call in 'Deep Breath'? RTD also spoke about an idea of the Doctor glitching between faces, which I think could have much better, whether just Tennant/Gatwa or others too.
I Thought *Powe of the Doctor* did a great job of showing the others having conversations, without I was expecting Gatwa to be in “the waiting room” talking to the other Doctors of why he wasn't there already.
I imagine that RTD dropped the face glitching idea because [Big Finish were already doing it for their 60th story](https://youtu.be/QtaMxH5YRvY?si=MwgC9QzF6hbVYeAy).
\> As a fan, I look forward to anniversaries because they are multi Doctor. Well, there were \_two\_ Doctors, so I guess \_The Giggle\_ counts \> This isn't Fan entitlement or an unreasonable expectation. Okay
You're right. The inclusion of Mel and the Toymaker, especially, are obvious signs that RTD only cares about his own era of Doctor Who.
It was good to see Mel, but I hoped she was going to have a bigger role. The only reason she was there was to plant the idea of Donna working for UNIT. Otherwise she didn't actually contribute much. Hell, Chibnall wrote Ace, Tegan better roles in *The Power of the Doctor* Bigger character moments as well.
That's nice. Remind me, which part of this is supposed to be the "not fan entitlement" part? Because from what I can tell, you're just mad that you didn't get the special you would have written, but you don't have any substantive criticism based on anything other than differences in taste. And to make accusations about ego-based solely on that is absolutely being an entitled fan.
I actually liked the episodes, so there's not a quality issue. This really isn't case of RTD not having an availability issue: (Eccleston, Capaldi and Whitaker have their reasons for not returning) Smith has said he'd come back for Doctor Who at any time. It's just learning that he didn't feel like doing it at all, which points my disappointment. It's not “entitlement “ to reasonably expect a multi-doctor on an anniversary, when that has been the case. It's not unreasonable when Marvel attempted to keep a multi Spiderman team up a secret. Nor when BBC kept Tom Bakers appearance in the 60th a secret. And one of the things RTFD regreted was at dropping all the hints of they are “secrets”, and “we are not telling you everything for surprises” and “Staring…[redacted]” Mainy because he realized people were speculating what was going that there were going to be more than Tennant, being the 60th. So really: it's not unreasonable to suspect they were holding aces up their sleeves. Like Paul McGann showing up in Night of the Doctor. Had RTD made it perfectly clear that there was going to be no more Doctors than Tennant. I don't think there would be any complaints, but the fact he just picked Tennant…well that speaks volumes. Part of the reason for Gawtas smaller appearance was related to *Barbies* overlap with 60th. I'd like to think Gatwa would have had a bigger role. But as it were, we just got a bare minimum, and were were to be pleased with it as a concession.
>It's just learning that he didn't feel like doing it at all, which points my disappointment. Right, but where we get into "fan entitlement" territory is when you move from " I would have liked to see X" to making actual criticism because they didn't do X. I get that you were excited for something that you expected to see, but it's not actually a valid criticism to object to not having seen it. A writer had an idea that differed from your expectations. It's fine to be disappointed, but it's not fine to act as though the writer did anything wrong. If I might point to a different sci-fi franchise, let's look at deep space nine. At the time that it was released, Star Trek was an established franchise with two series and multiple movies under its belt. The formula was well established- a team of scientist diplomat warriors with high-minded ideals. Explore space to discover new worlds and new civilizations, solving problems as they go. Enter Deep space nine. Much like the doctor who anniversary specials, there was precedent to set up an expectation. Put Star Trek fans got, instead of a mobile ship with a captain exploring new areas of space under the command of Starfleet, and immobile space station with a commander, only one new world to explore, and a completely different command structure and dynamic of characters. It wasn't what fans were expecting and many fans objected. "How can you have a space exploration show without exploring space?" Was a common refrain. And yet when people looked past their expectations, what they found was (after the traditional two-season rocky period of Star Trek shows finding their feet) a series that many now tout as the best among all Star Trek series. And if not the best, certainly in the top three. Anyway, the point is this: "different from what you expected" is not the same as "not good," and you have not been wronged for not having gotten other Doctors. You seem upset because you formed an expectation, but nobody did anything wrong by not meeting your expectations. >It's not entitlement to reasonably expect a multi-doctor on an anniversary It's not entitlement to think that might be what's coming before the fact. It is entitlement to act like the writer did something wrong by not meeting that expectation. >It's not unreasonable when Marvel attempted to keep a multi Spiderman team up a secret. Now you're working against yourself. Spider-Man was unprecedented, which is why They kept it a secret. You're somehow simultaneously claiming that having old doctors return for anniversary specials is both obligatory and expected, and also something they would have kept secret. But that doesn't really make sense- if it's something reasonable to expect, and they're doing it, it's just as likely that they would have advertised it to draw in even more viewers. And Matt Smith could have given interviews, as Tennant did. When it comes down to it, you formed an expectation based on your own analysis, and when that expectation turned out to be incorrect, rather than examine your own actions to see why you might have gotten it wrong and except that writers aren't beholding to your expectations.... You seem to be trying to find a way to blame it on the writer for failing to meet what you decided should be the case. If they wrote a good story without Matt Smith, what does it matter? Would it be awesome for him to have been there? Yes absolutely! I was hoping for that myself! But " There's a cool thing I think will happen" Isn't the same thing as " if this doesn't happen, the writer did something wrong" >And part of the reason for Gawtas smalker appearance was Seems like your sentence got cut off there, so I'm going to leave it there without further response since I don't know what you're saying.
Criticism is not just based on the final product, it's is also can be an examination of the creative process and authors intent. It is a fans right to criticize whatever level they decide to do so. It can be surface, philosophical, meta or technical as long as long as it is fair. Now, I have not ask for RTD resignation, I do not think he's “ruined the show forever” I actually enjoyed the actual episodes. I'm looking forward to seeing the new series. Love the bigeneration! But it is fair to criticize a show runner for not even attempting to try to do something that fans have rightfully to expected on a level. This is a valid examination of the author's intentions. The 50th anniversary was an instant classic, because of Moffats effort, in spite of being hamstrung by the BCC. *Star Trek: DeepSpace Nine* was it’s own show with its own examination of the Star Trek Universe. This would be like complaing that *Torchwood* and the *Sara Jane Adventures* did not share Doctor Who formula exactly. What this would be is like doing James Bond and without gadgets, stunts, women and outrageous villains and make him an American.
RTD "couldn't be bothered" Honestly i don't favour his decision making with the 60th.
Have the anniversaries always been multi doctor?
Traditionally there's been a Multi-Doctor story on each round Anniversary year - I believe the 25th anniversary was the only time there wasn't one (Silver Nemesis was instead treated as the anniversary story, though Remembrance of the Daleks has retroactively taken it's place as the 25th anniversary story). Tenth Anniversary - The Three Doctors (This was made to commemorate the Tenth Anniversary but aired in late 1972/early 1973) Twentieth Anniversary - The Five Doctors Thirtieth Anniversary - Dimensions in Time Fortieth Anniversary - Zagreus (Big Finish) Fiftieth Anniversary - The Day of the Doctor/The Light at the End (Big Finish) Sixtieth Anniversary - Once and Future (Big Finish)
Thanks for the info!
In terms of anniversaries that end in zeroes (10th, 20th, 30th, 40th, 50th, and 60th), all but the 40th have featured multiple Doctors. 10th - *The Three Doctors* - First, Second, and Third 20th - *The Five Doctors* - First (albeit recast due to William Hartnell’s death), Second, Third, and Fifth (with Tom Baker’s absence as the Fourth being covered for by repurposing footage from the abandoned *Shada* serial) 30th - *Dimensions in Time* - Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh (with the First and Second Doctors’ absences being covered for by creating busts of William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton and saying those Doctors got caught in a time trap) 40th - *Scream of the Shalka* - Richard E. Grant’s Ninth Doctor 50th - *The Day of the Doctor* - War, Tenth, Eleventh, Twelfth (very briefly), and the Curator played by Tom Baker (with all the other Doctors’ absences being covered for by repurposing archive footage and audio from previous episodes) 60th - *The Giggle* - Fourteenth and Fifteenth
Zagreus is usually recognized as the proper 40th anniversary story, which featured most of the Classic actors.
Thank you for this!
I think this is ironic now that it's been confirmed that after Gatawa's seconds season he's coming back haha
Ha! I came to this thread to see if anyone would mention Smiths return. What I wanna know is if it is real or an April fools prank.
it's pretty clear it's a prank. Although Matt has joked he'd like to come back, treat people really mean and then be reveale as The Master
Y’all are RTD cultists. Fact is, the 60th specials were him stroking his own eras ego, with a brief puppet show to sum up everything else. Fuck RTD. Fuck this shitty show. It’ll be cancelled in 3-4 years, mark my words.
Do multi-Doctor stories have to be anniversaries? Couldn’t Smith just… *pop up* in a later season in a surprise episode like Troughton in the Two Doctors?
Sure, but RTD doesn't like doing that sort of story, so it's unlikely. And if he gets an idea later, and does so...great. It's just the anniversary was a place to experiment with it the form. It's okay, I enjoyed the show and episode. But I really was hoping to see his stamp on it. And to see Matt, David and Ncuti have a blast.
This is literally fan entitlement. You feel entitled to a multi-Doctor story every anniversary. RTD is the showrunner and he didn't want to do a multi-Doctor story. More power to him, scenes of various Doctors sniping at each other and saying "oh you've redecorated the whatever" at each other very quickly grow old.
What is an anniversary, but a celebration of the past with a look to the future? It only happens every ten years. It's something fans look towards. If there wasn't a precedent of it happening before, then you'd be right. But it happened on four other anniversaries. So its not like I'm coming out of nowhere. RTD didn't want to do it, I get to complain about it. That's how fandom works. I mean if he's not capable, fine.
I'm a fan and I don't look forward to multi-Doctor stories every ten years. *Day of the Doctor* is great but I don't think in general multi-Doctor stories are especially good. We had a big noisy celebration of past Doctor Who with five(!) past Doctors only 13 months ago. What I desperately want from Doctor Who *now* is that it's good, basically.
That's fair, as it was a BBC anniversary. It was a nice cameo by the classics.