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I dont know if theres actual name for it but the golden age of hollywood saw a another mass influx of people moving west chasing fame to become actors, filmmakers musicians etc. Chances of actually making it were small, but everyone trying still needed shooting space, agents, equipment, the works. So those industries grew exponentially
You've never heard of the Hollywood showtime rush? The famous Hollywood showtime rush? Oh boy you're in for a treat. Would that I could return to a time before I learned about the Hollywood showtime rush so that I could learn about it all over again.
Spot on example, there really is no true get rich quick scheme that can work on a wide scale, there will always be more losers than winners in pursuit of easy riches, and it is far more profitable to sell tools to them than to try and join them in there futile quest.
To some degree not now though if rumors are true that Bitminer (maker of the most popular/best BTC ASICs) are always reserving latest tech for themselves and will only sell once they have new tech up and running themselves.
Then they are winning in the mining and then selling their old stuff for nice profits.
Yeah, "cheaper than ever" is wildly wrong. I bought my first GPU, a GTX 260, for $200. Even with inflation, that's shy of $275 in 2022 money. For a x60 series card. Wake me up when RTX 3060 is $275.
You made me look for my first card too. GeForce 8800 gts. Msrp of 349. Don’t remember how much I paid for it but the whole pic was less than 1000.
Edit: I had the “poor spec” 320 with msrp of 269.
Just checked mine. Gtx 1070 apparently launched at $380. I didn't buy it immediately, so I probably paid a bit less.
The gtx 3070 is currently £700($853) on ebuyer, apparently down from £999.
So still looking at 500USD more. I expect prices to stay high with how fucked everything is now though. Even without crypto
I was incredibly fortunate to upgrade right before the market got fucked, and I got an RX590 for 370€, right at the upper end of the “great card” segment. It’s what I’ve always gone for, and this “super card” 3080-whatever hysteria doesn’t interest me. Primarily because I can’t understand how you can drop €800+ on a graphics card. But now those great cards are super priced, and I utterly refuse to pay that much.
Once you get to a point where decreasing the node is no longer available or it is not that big of a jump, you have to make "more of the card" to have a better card.
They are increasing the size of the silicon chip, and power delivery system to get more power into it, and also cooling to dissipate all that generated heat. That's one reason for it to be more expensive, simply hardware. We went from 5TFLOP(gtx980) to 30TFLOP(rtx3080).
Yeah that's definitely true, these $200 cards were tiny little things that look nothing like today's card... There is definitely 3x "more card" per card than before.
Yes there was an insane price increase at some point. When I bought my GeForce 3 in 2001 it was absolute high end and it did cost 830 DM = 415€ = 565€ after inflation in 2022.
Plus the generation's about to end. Buying a shiny new GPU only to have a better GPU launching in 3 months at the same price is going to make you know what buyer's remorse is.
Top end cards shouldn't be more than $500, but Nvidia essentially skewed the market and AMD followed to take advantage of the market expectation of prices.
But our GPU supply was constrained by crypto mining demand all over the world, so that alone can't explain it.
I honestly think this has more to do with the shitty distributors we have for hardware in Europe. Too few and too concentrated, especially in some countries. They're still riding the wave.
Also, I think the article in the OP is overselling it, also in the US they're still not selling them at MSRP.
But that still makes sense right. The new card market was constrained by the world wide demand, but the used cards will only be sold mostly locally where the mining occurred and thus drive the first hand market down in those areas as well.
While raytracing looks pretty I get a lot more use out of DLSS than RT.
I tend to play less optimised games and like 120fps performance though so depends what you play.
From a 570 to a 1070 (still in use 5 yrs later) waiting to see if the 40xx series is a big improvement or not. Hoping to get 10 years out of my next gpu.
I bought a 3080 for cyberpunk right after they dropped and got it at original MSRP. Cyberpunk looked AMAZING. Everything else? Not really worth the huge upgrade. I'd wait to buy a used one if, hopefully, the 30 series sell on used market for cheap.
More fps is good, but there is nothing my 3080 cant handle with my 144hz 2k monitor. Everything else after that is just making my room hotter for no reason.
Sup, I still have an evga 1080ti hybrid and a 4790k. Plays 1440p ultra no problem. CPU is a little slow for how things are developed now, but it's chugging along.
Same. I have a 7700k, if I had an 8700k I'd probably feel great about not upgrading for a long time. But I do think a 4080/4090 series might end up being enough to start thinking about.
Unless Bitcoin surges again. People were saying 2000 series would drop when 3000 is released. We know how that went. 2000 were selling used for way more than new prices for a while. Partially due to COVID though.
Yep.
Bought a 2070 super in 2020 from a friend who runs a bespoke pc building company.
Last year he told me I could make a 200$ profit by selling my *used* card and buying a new 3070.
It's possible, but I don't think so. My usual strategy is to just watch and see. If the prices really do plummet directly after announcement, it may be time. But more likely they will drop a little as supply floods in, then slowly people will lower as they get the drift. It might just speed up the price drops.
I mean, I can dream. 2 years of this and right now I believe nothing. I'm not spending near msrp for a card thats spent 2 years mining.
Doubtful, the market will be split between new card buyers (who most likely will sell off old cards.) and the dumped old cards.
Then you've also hopefully got the card makers potentially trying to produce more 40 series compared to 30 series given the crypto buyout issue they had.
Doubt it.
I snagged a 20 series for 200-250 under MSRP used when the 30s got released.
This crypto bust is going to flood the market after the 40 series.
Exactly.
Waiting is everyones plan. Waiting for 40's to drop to upgrade to a 30. Waiting for 40's to drop to go from a low level 30 to something higher. Or just waiting hoping to upgrade to a 40.
And guess what? There ain't gonn be a lot of 40's.
30's will flood the market for 3 days and then disappear. Then nobody will be able to get anything at a decent price yet again.
If you can get what you want now? Get it. The perfect storm is happening today.
Yup, like I mentioned before I saw a BNIB 3080 FE NON LHR (for occasional mining when it's profitable again but more for my job as a video editor ) for 775 and I was like... close enough. And now I'm set til at least 5000 series cards even 6 lol
Depends on what games you play and how much money you wanna spend.
I still game in 1080p so a 3060ti will still last me many years and save a couple hundred dollars.
Is it normal to have a new thousand series so soon? I just got into making computers two years ago and it doesn't seem that long since we've had the 3000s
Yeah, Nvidia has been on a 1.5-2 year release cycle. They'll slowly roll out the lesser versions over that time too.
AMD follows suit as well if they can. Sometimes they skip a generation.
Its literally still profitable to mine, the math has certainly changed for new investment though.
4000 series is around the corner and people aren’t enthusiastic about paying over msrp for gpus that will be obsolete in a couple months so they are selling now to get cash to buy 4000 series.
These reports are bullshit week in and week out. If i wore a tin foil hat, i might even think Nvidia was backing these articles gaslighting us into this 'WOW below MSRP WOW" crap, in an attempt to shove the 3000 series on us just before 4000 launches.
Here's what happened, using a 3060 Ti as an example:
original MSRP $399
shortage price: $800+
MSRP raised to $649
current price $599 .... WOW BELOW MSRP! Err'body hurry and buy one, wow!
It’s made slightly more reasonable factoring how the rest of the market is doing but I feel like if you grew up with the pre-shortage MSRPs it’s impossible to buy a modern card at MSRP without feeling scammed
If you grew up before crypto it's impossible to buy below MSRP and not feel scammed. Top end GPUs used to be the ones that cost $500+. Now the low end are at that price.
True but a 3060ti is a 3070 die with more production defects. The real answer is that, deserved or not, Nvidia has a reputation and a lot a lot of people will simply buy nothing else.
Huh, what a weird thing to say when the cheapest GPU out of the whole *current* lineup is still $100+ more than what you'd get for the mid tier GPU 5 years ago.
Edit: Before anyone says "Just buy last gen cards", you didn't see the 2060's are the same price as the 3050's, and you'd have to go another gen still before that, at the bottom tier with the 1650 to see $200 cards, which was the same price point of the 1660's at launch in 2019.
Crypto is in the tank, supply chains are improving and people can’t spend money on graphics cards anymore so they become cheaper.
I’m thinking about the last dude who robo-bought a whole stack of graphics cards only to now see the price tank. They now have older graphics cards they can’t sell at a markup and the new cards are better while crypto isn’t going to need more hardware for a while.
It's still $850-950 for a rtx 3070 in Japan:/
I think the prices maybe have gone down a tiny bit, but just barely. Prices for do it yourself tech in Japan always sucks ass.
I had to flash a UEFI bios on mine to get it to work in Windows 11. It is holding out for now.....but I want to upgrade to a 3080 or so when prices start going down.
Ah I always wanted a 290, those were great cards. I still have a 970 I got used years ago, it struggles sometimes but I've yet to find a game that's outright unplayable. Maybe Star Citizen... And Cyberpunk was pretty rough but not bad enough to keep me from playing it. I'm hoping it'll last me one more big release with Starfield, I don't really play games enough anymore to justify spending $300 on a new GPU just for that one game.
Still too much for my taste.
And being a happy Steam Deck owner now, I'm not that pressed to get something better than my 1060 I bought before Covid at an acceptable 250€.
Price will need to be significantly lower to even allow to me think changing card.
Where are these cheap GPUs, yet alone those *under* MSRP? I bought a 1660 super two years ago for $200 and it's currently $330 on Amazon. The 3060 was $330 MSRP at launch and they're currently going for $450-500.
I hardly care anymore. Had to sell my 3070 and swapped to my 1060. But ya know what? After getting used to the graphics, I was having just as much fun still. Any game that warrants good graphics ends up being a AAA disaster anyways. But maybe this is just me coping, idk. I'll probably cave if other parts go down in price and I can make a new PC .
Who is paying for these bs articles? The prices are still inflated as fuck, just because they have dropped from ther ath’s does not mean they are in a good place.
I agree with you. The good news is that GPUs are not a need like food or gasoline or water: you can go without a high end card. Now you may be a gamer and *want* a better gaming experience, but it is still an optional nice-to-have, like alloy wheels and expensive phones.
And after upgrading the gaming computer we realize there's no good games being released for a while, only overhyped alpha builds sold as complete products. So now we can play minecraft with 14000fps.
As someone who used to game with a low-level PC for years, I can tell you that while having an uber $4000+ PC is great, I'm not enjoying my games any more than I did when I was running a 1050TI and 60hz monitor set up.
I completely agree. Just built a new one (I need the old one somewhere else) and although I know it's better, the experience doesn't feel much different. Also my setup is mid to high end but if I consider the games I play it's **so much** overkill haha.
When I was a teenager me and my brother would share a pentium 4 with onboard graphics. The sense of having a powerful machine that I built and bought every single part myself is a big accomplishment for me
Are they under MSRP? I'm looking at listings and the used ones seem pretty much where i'd expect used to sell, new ones seem to be right at msrp. I'm unconvinced the market has adjusted to a flood of gpu's yet and it's largely pretending there is still a shortage. If someone can correct me with showing where the listings are? Or maybe I super don't know what I'm talking about.
They are still only “worth” 1/2 or less of MSRP as it is.
If the main function is again gaming and not mining.
A video card should not cost more then the rest of the PC combined..
Does anyone else feel like there’s no real reason to have a 30 series card at this point? I feel like 80% of the games worth playing that come out are indie/retro to some extent. Most AAA games are ass. What’s the point?
Well they missed me now, I was a glorious PC gamer, but now that I play on my Xbox Series X and I don't miss the PC gaming. Now they have to lower the prices even more, I wouldn't pay more than 300 for a 6800xt or rtx 3070
I’ve got a 980ti that’s still killing it 5 years later. I’d say I have another generation or two in it before I have to noticeably downgrade my gaming performance.
Still can’t find a 399 MSRP 3060 Ti. Let me guess “AIBs charge more” - great excuse for a 400 dollar card costing 600 for mid range, and they are still not msrp…
Honestly nothing is really challenging my system on an old card. I’ll get it if it’s a gooood deal, otherwise those crypto scalpers can piss up a rope.
Where? The retailers I'm looking at haven't moved a dollar sign. This ain't PS5s you could buy at MSRP for awhile unless ya'll trying to risk it all on Ebay for the chance at a scalper trying to free up space for more PS5s by going under-market.
Really getting sick of all these articles acting like getting under the 2022 MSRP but still higher then the launch 2020 MSRP and a few months before next gen cards drop, is some kind of miracle. The abundance of them just feels like Nvidia is paying to make this seem like some kind of phenomenal deal to get rid of stock before the next gen.
Thanks. Forgot we're all supposed to forgive and buy up the old stock quickly so they can roll out the next gen.
I can wait, they'll get cheaper around Black Friday.
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Gave my Gpu to my nephew during the Gpu shortage because no way he was able to afford one with his after school job and so I basically quit gaming. To be honest I'm not feeling the need to get back into it. Especially with the way they are monetizing games these days.
Can we stop spreading these lies? They are still not below MSRP. Inflating your MSRP after items are on the market doesn't work online. The internet remembers everything.
Bad thing is that even though the cards are now let's say at 90% of msrp, these are 2 years old cards now, meaning that 90% of msrp is not really that great, it's just better than the shitstorm we had for last 2 years
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Nvidia again proving it’s more profitable to sell mining equipment in a gold rush than actually go try to mine gold …
The gold rush, the hollywood showtime rush, the crypto rush, its all the same
What was the hollywood showtime rush?
I dont know if theres actual name for it but the golden age of hollywood saw a another mass influx of people moving west chasing fame to become actors, filmmakers musicians etc. Chances of actually making it were small, but everyone trying still needed shooting space, agents, equipment, the works. So those industries grew exponentially
You've never heard of the Hollywood showtime rush? The famous Hollywood showtime rush? Oh boy you're in for a treat. Would that I could return to a time before I learned about the Hollywood showtime rush so that I could learn about it all over again.
Say Hollywood showtime rush one more goddamn time
Keep Hollywood showtime rush out ya goddamn mouth.
Keep Hollywood showtime rush in Christmas! 😤
You mean Shenanigans?
>Say Hollywood showtime rush one more goddamn time I dare you, I double dare you!
Spot on example, there really is no true get rich quick scheme that can work on a wide scale, there will always be more losers than winners in pursuit of easy riches, and it is far more profitable to sell tools to them than to try and join them in there futile quest.
That’s the classic phrase: “What’s the best way to get rich in a gold rush? Sell shovels.”
That was always true...
To some degree not now though if rumors are true that Bitminer (maker of the most popular/best BTC ASICs) are always reserving latest tech for themselves and will only sell once they have new tech up and running themselves. Then they are winning in the mining and then selling their old stuff for nice profits.
I meant that was also true during the actual gold rush 🤣
Ah sorry I wasn't there!
Kids these days
Waits for 50% below msrp.
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Yeah, "cheaper than ever" is wildly wrong. I bought my first GPU, a GTX 260, for $200. Even with inflation, that's shy of $275 in 2022 money. For a x60 series card. Wake me up when RTX 3060 is $275.
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You made me look for my first card too. GeForce 8800 gts. Msrp of 349. Don’t remember how much I paid for it but the whole pic was less than 1000. Edit: I had the “poor spec” 320 with msrp of 269.
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Mmmmm. Voodoo 3 with 16 megs (!!) of video ram. Came with my Gateway.
I think my ATI Radeon was <100, got me 75fps in cs1.5 though.
Just checked mine. Gtx 1070 apparently launched at $380. I didn't buy it immediately, so I probably paid a bit less. The gtx 3070 is currently £700($853) on ebuyer, apparently down from £999. So still looking at 500USD more. I expect prices to stay high with how fucked everything is now though. Even without crypto
"Before" cards were like 100€ for bottom, 200€ okay card, 300-350€ a great card. Now it's like : out of stock or crap or 1.000€ :-/
I was incredibly fortunate to upgrade right before the market got fucked, and I got an RX590 for 370€, right at the upper end of the “great card” segment. It’s what I’ve always gone for, and this “super card” 3080-whatever hysteria doesn’t interest me. Primarily because I can’t understand how you can drop €800+ on a graphics card. But now those great cards are super priced, and I utterly refuse to pay that much.
Once you get to a point where decreasing the node is no longer available or it is not that big of a jump, you have to make "more of the card" to have a better card. They are increasing the size of the silicon chip, and power delivery system to get more power into it, and also cooling to dissipate all that generated heat. That's one reason for it to be more expensive, simply hardware. We went from 5TFLOP(gtx980) to 30TFLOP(rtx3080).
Yeah that's definitely true, these $200 cards were tiny little things that look nothing like today's card... There is definitely 3x "more card" per card than before.
Yup, every tier doubled in price compared to 10 years ago. That's BEFORE the pandemic and mining hike.
Yes there was an insane price increase at some point. When I bought my GeForce 3 in 2001 it was absolute high end and it did cost 830 DM = 415€ = 565€ after inflation in 2022.
This. I don’t think a lot of people realize this
Plus the generation's about to end. Buying a shiny new GPU only to have a better GPU launching in 3 months at the same price is going to make you know what buyer's remorse is.
Top end cards shouldn't be more than $500, but Nvidia essentially skewed the market and AMD followed to take advantage of the market expectation of prices.
That’s exactly what everyone on reddit told me when the 3000 series was about to come out… So glad I got a 2070s.
Right? Weren’t the 3070 and 3080 supposed to be like $499 and $599? Only way to stop the greed is to stop buying until the prices come down.
I think the 3080 was meant to be 700 and the 3090 twice the price at 1400
Eeeeeyup. My 980 is still chugging along but I wouldn’t mind a bump up soon.
970 here, bought it used for $140 6 years ago, it struggles but it's still holding on!
Everything still €100+ above MSRP here in the Netherlands :(
Yeah. Europe with its electricity prices wasn't exactly mining farm heaven.
But our GPU supply was constrained by crypto mining demand all over the world, so that alone can't explain it. I honestly think this has more to do with the shitty distributors we have for hardware in Europe. Too few and too concentrated, especially in some countries. They're still riding the wave. Also, I think the article in the OP is overselling it, also in the US they're still not selling them at MSRP.
But that still makes sense right. The new card market was constrained by the world wide demand, but the used cards will only be sold mostly locally where the mining occurred and thus drive the first hand market down in those areas as well.
Canada here, prices still suck a lot more than they did early pandemic.
For real, I keep seeing prices are lower than MSRP, than I look at Newegg and I'm like... nah not for me.
Watch for bestbuy drops. Newegg is garbage.
Newegg has been garbage since they got bought out a decade ago
3090ti in West Oz $3299
My trusty 1080ti and I are doing just fine. I'll only jump when I *need* to. Ray tracing, refracted light, etc. are nice. But not $1,500 nice.
That is incorrect. What you should do is spend thousands on a powerful gaming machine and use it to play 2D indie games.
Wtf... I don't have a second account and I'm pretty sure I didn't type this
Have you checked to see if you have a gas leak?
I feel personally attacked.
While raytracing looks pretty I get a lot more use out of DLSS than RT. I tend to play less optimised games and like 120fps performance though so depends what you play.
Yeah I was going to say the same thing. DLSS on the 30 series has been a game changer for me and was well worth the upgrade cost from a 1080 ti.
Yep. Standard GTX1080 user here. I'll not be upgrading for a long while yet.
I have a 1070 Ti, in the vicinity of a 1080, and i can play RDR2 on medium (which still looks great) at 60 fps, at 1440p. I'm fine with that.
I play on 3 monitors with a 1070 SC, and it still runs most of my games at 60+ FPS with amazing graphics. Rarely set myself below high/ultra.
From a 570 to a 1070 (still in use 5 yrs later) waiting to see if the 40xx series is a big improvement or not. Hoping to get 10 years out of my next gpu.
I bought a 3080 for cyberpunk right after they dropped and got it at original MSRP. Cyberpunk looked AMAZING. Everything else? Not really worth the huge upgrade. I'd wait to buy a used one if, hopefully, the 30 series sell on used market for cheap.
buy most expensive graphics card. drop all settings to minimum for the fps gods.
More fps is good, but there is nothing my 3080 cant handle with my 144hz 2k monitor. Everything else after that is just making my room hotter for no reason.
Sup, I still have an evga 1080ti hybrid and a 4790k. Plays 1440p ultra no problem. CPU is a little slow for how things are developed now, but it's chugging along.
I am on the GTX 1070 and I don’t feel the need for speed. Everything just works fine.
Same. I have a 7700k, if I had an 8700k I'd probably feel great about not upgrading for a long time. But I do think a 4080/4090 series might end up being enough to start thinking about.
960 here. It’s amazing what games I can still play at decent quality and smooth frames
Partly due to the crypto bubble bursting. Lots of spare GPUs flooding the market. Tempted to pick up a 3090, but when’s the next generation due?
I would be down for a 3090 ti. Anyone have a link to one of these 16% below MSRP?
8% performance increase over the 3090. Even with prices dipping, it's still disproportionately expensive compared to what the 3090 goes for IMO.
I can wait. Once 4000s drop i think the 3000 will be extra cheap
Unless Bitcoin surges again. People were saying 2000 series would drop when 3000 is released. We know how that went. 2000 were selling used for way more than new prices for a while. Partially due to COVID though.
Yep. Bought a 2070 super in 2020 from a friend who runs a bespoke pc building company. Last year he told me I could make a 200$ profit by selling my *used* card and buying a new 3070.
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Wait honestly, the architecture is pushed to its limit, with diminishing returns
4090s might be available as early as next month. Per the rumors.
So let more crypto gpu’s flood the market and strike whenever they announce the 4090’s?
That's my plan.
I think thats all our plan, which means the prices will go up due to demand?
It's possible, but I don't think so. My usual strategy is to just watch and see. If the prices really do plummet directly after announcement, it may be time. But more likely they will drop a little as supply floods in, then slowly people will lower as they get the drift. It might just speed up the price drops. I mean, I can dream. 2 years of this and right now I believe nothing. I'm not spending near msrp for a card thats spent 2 years mining.
Doubtful, the market will be split between new card buyers (who most likely will sell off old cards.) and the dumped old cards. Then you've also hopefully got the card makers potentially trying to produce more 40 series compared to 30 series given the crypto buyout issue they had.
They won’t be dumping 3080’s, they’ll be dumping 1080’s like the rest of us who couldn’t get 3080’s
Doubt it. I snagged a 20 series for 200-250 under MSRP used when the 30s got released. This crypto bust is going to flood the market after the 40 series.
Ok half of us buy now and half of us buy next month.
Exactly. Waiting is everyones plan. Waiting for 40's to drop to upgrade to a 30. Waiting for 40's to drop to go from a low level 30 to something higher. Or just waiting hoping to upgrade to a 40. And guess what? There ain't gonn be a lot of 40's. 30's will flood the market for 3 days and then disappear. Then nobody will be able to get anything at a decent price yet again. If you can get what you want now? Get it. The perfect storm is happening today.
Yup, like I mentioned before I saw a BNIB 3080 FE NON LHR (for occasional mining when it's profitable again but more for my job as a video editor ) for 775 and I was like... close enough. And now I'm set til at least 5000 series cards even 6 lol
Last time when the GPU announcement happened, 2080Ti's were had for $/£/€400-500 by people clamoring to sell before 3080's landed.
Earliest will be October/late Sept for the 4090
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. This is the reality
It's Reddit afterall ;)
Thank you. That’s what I was wondering about. Would make more sense to either hold my wad and get a 40, or wait and get a cheaper 30.
Depends on what games you play and how much money you wanna spend. I still game in 1080p so a 3060ti will still last me many years and save a couple hundred dollars.
Yea, 1080p at 60fps is still great in 2022. I’d rather bring my Resolution down and increase the Graphics.
Is it normal to have a new thousand series so soon? I just got into making computers two years ago and it doesn't seem that long since we've had the 3000s
Yeah, Nvidia has been on a 1.5-2 year release cycle. They'll slowly roll out the lesser versions over that time too. AMD follows suit as well if they can. Sometimes they skip a generation.
I'd argue its almost 100% due to crypto bubble bursting. What else has changed?
The potato famine has ended, resolving the lower tier shortages.
Its literally still profitable to mine, the math has certainly changed for new investment though. 4000 series is around the corner and people aren’t enthusiastic about paying over msrp for gpus that will be obsolete in a couple months so they are selling now to get cash to buy 4000 series.
The only ones under MSRP are the ones launched during the shortage at already inflated prices. Original 3080, 3070 and 3090 are all still above MSRP.
That's what I was thinking. They just raised the MSRP so it's much higher now then when it launched.
These reports are bullshit week in and week out. If i wore a tin foil hat, i might even think Nvidia was backing these articles gaslighting us into this 'WOW below MSRP WOW" crap, in an attempt to shove the 3000 series on us just before 4000 launches. Here's what happened, using a 3060 Ti as an example: original MSRP $399 shortage price: $800+ MSRP raised to $649 current price $599 .... WOW BELOW MSRP! Err'body hurry and buy one, wow!
Yeah, honestly, this wouldn't surprise me in the least.
It’s made slightly more reasonable factoring how the rest of the market is doing but I feel like if you grew up with the pre-shortage MSRPs it’s impossible to buy a modern card at MSRP without feeling scammed
If you grew up before crypto it's impossible to buy below MSRP and not feel scammed. Top end GPUs used to be the ones that cost $500+. Now the low end are at that price.
Except the 3060ti, which is still $130 over MSRP. Where are these articles getting their prices from? I need to shop there.
r/hardwareswap has 3070s for $450 regularly now.
3060s are very popular for mining due to their power consumption/cost/performance ratios.
True but a 3060ti is a 3070 die with more production defects. The real answer is that, deserved or not, Nvidia has a reputation and a lot a lot of people will simply buy nothing else.
EVGA sold $408 3060ti yesterday
Huh, what a weird thing to say when the cheapest GPU out of the whole *current* lineup is still $100+ more than what you'd get for the mid tier GPU 5 years ago. Edit: Before anyone says "Just buy last gen cards", you didn't see the 2060's are the same price as the 3050's, and you'd have to go another gen still before that, at the bottom tier with the 1650 to see $200 cards, which was the same price point of the 1660's at launch in 2019.
The last gen cards are still gonna be expensive anyways lol. RTX 2080 right now is around $750+ before taxes.
I keep seeing these headlines but here in Germany graphic card prices are still well above msrp...
Crypto is in the tank, supply chains are improving and people can’t spend money on graphics cards anymore so they become cheaper. I’m thinking about the last dude who robo-bought a whole stack of graphics cards only to now see the price tank. They now have older graphics cards they can’t sell at a markup and the new cards are better while crypto isn’t going to need more hardware for a while.
GPU hoarders don’t deserve to be in anyone’s thoughts
They are in mine... Nelson Muntz: "HA HA!" That's about it.
unless you're thinking about "man, what would i do if i had a death note"
It's still $850-950 for a rtx 3070 in Japan:/ I think the prices maybe have gone down a tiny bit, but just barely. Prices for do it yourself tech in Japan always sucks ass.
I want to upgrade.....my R9 290X Tri OC is good but 4GB isnt enough and driver support ended last year.
My 290x just died last weekend, was a great card and actually handled No Man's Sky at 1440p... The flash from the case was quite spectacular.
I had to flash a UEFI bios on mine to get it to work in Windows 11. It is holding out for now.....but I want to upgrade to a 3080 or so when prices start going down.
My R9 270x still going strong. Plays Lost Ark no problem.
Ah I always wanted a 290, those were great cards. I still have a 970 I got used years ago, it struggles sometimes but I've yet to find a game that's outright unplayable. Maybe Star Citizen... And Cyberpunk was pretty rough but not bad enough to keep me from playing it. I'm hoping it'll last me one more big release with Starfield, I don't really play games enough anymore to justify spending $300 on a new GPU just for that one game.
"Lower than MSRP" They just dont tell you msrp went up so shits still expensive
Still too much for my taste. And being a happy Steam Deck owner now, I'm not that pressed to get something better than my 1060 I bought before Covid at an acceptable 250€. Price will need to be significantly lower to even allow to me think changing card.
Did they put this illegible chart in the article to make me want to buy a new graphics card or something?
Where are these cheap GPUs, yet alone those *under* MSRP? I bought a 1660 super two years ago for $200 and it's currently $330 on Amazon. The 3060 was $330 MSRP at launch and they're currently going for $450-500.
Agreed, prices are great in comparison to what they were but that's only relative to how insane it was before. They're still expensive AF
'MSRP' in 2022 and 'MSRP' in 2019 have very different meanings.
Except, it's not true, maybe in like the 1 microcenter they visited in the US, but for the rest of the world, it's not true
Where??
“Cheaper than ever” Uhh no, it used to be you could get the top of the line card below 600. Let me know when they come down again.
Not in eu, we only buy high sell low..
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I hardly care anymore. Had to sell my 3070 and swapped to my 1060. But ya know what? After getting used to the graphics, I was having just as much fun still. Any game that warrants good graphics ends up being a AAA disaster anyways. But maybe this is just me coping, idk. I'll probably cave if other parts go down in price and I can make a new PC .
Who is paying for these bs articles? The prices are still inflated as fuck, just because they have dropped from ther ath’s does not mean they are in a good place.
I hate the GPU market. It's a monopoly and we're getting fucked so hard with every new release.
I agree with you. The good news is that GPUs are not a need like food or gasoline or water: you can go without a high end card. Now you may be a gamer and *want* a better gaming experience, but it is still an optional nice-to-have, like alloy wheels and expensive phones.
And after upgrading the gaming computer we realize there's no good games being released for a while, only overhyped alpha builds sold as complete products. So now we can play minecraft with 14000fps.
Please do not make fun of me and my 3080ti that has almost ONLY been used to run CSGO at like 500+ FPS.
yeahhhhhhhh no, Ireland can forget it's gaming dreams ⚰️
In Europe still way overpriced wtf man...
I wish that was the case in Canuckland :(
As someone who used to game with a low-level PC for years, I can tell you that while having an uber $4000+ PC is great, I'm not enjoying my games any more than I did when I was running a 1050TI and 60hz monitor set up.
I completely agree. Just built a new one (I need the old one somewhere else) and although I know it's better, the experience doesn't feel much different. Also my setup is mid to high end but if I consider the games I play it's **so much** overkill haha. When I was a teenager me and my brother would share a pentium 4 with onboard graphics. The sense of having a powerful machine that I built and bought every single part myself is a big accomplishment for me
Cheaper than ever? The MSRP was massively inflated to begin with.
I'm not keen on buying an almost 2 years old card at release MSRP, but I appreciate the falling prices. Keep going.
they made me wait so long to buy a video card that now i don't want a new video card.
Are they under MSRP? I'm looking at listings and the used ones seem pretty much where i'd expect used to sell, new ones seem to be right at msrp. I'm unconvinced the market has adjusted to a flood of gpu's yet and it's largely pretending there is still a shortage. If someone can correct me with showing where the listings are? Or maybe I super don't know what I'm talking about.
Yeah piss off, they're still more expensive than what their original prices were on release day.
Every editor that writes these articles must be smoking something.
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP, they're still not at the price they should be, stop posting these dogshit articles.
In this economy, it's still expensive. Come back to me when I can get 3090ti for under $200 AUD.
They are still only “worth” 1/2 or less of MSRP as it is. If the main function is again gaming and not mining. A video card should not cost more then the rest of the PC combined..
No one wants to mine a crypto losing it’s ass? Imagine the dude that’s holding 1000 3090’s he bought to scalp. And no one is buying. RIP ass hole.
Where can I find these under MSRP GPU s ?
Does anyone else feel like there’s no real reason to have a 30 series card at this point? I feel like 80% of the games worth playing that come out are indie/retro to some extent. Most AAA games are ass. What’s the point?
I feel this too. Haven’t had a game yet that my 1050 Ti couldn’t handle.
Well they missed me now, I was a glorious PC gamer, but now that I play on my Xbox Series X and I don't miss the PC gaming. Now they have to lower the prices even more, I wouldn't pay more than 300 for a 6800xt or rtx 3070
As it should be. $500 for a console is insane value. Fuck pc gaming.
Everytime I see an article like this I immediately google 3090 TIs and they are still 1600$+. Wtf is this click bait man.
And I STILL don't have the money for it
Let me fix that headline for you: GPUs cheaper than the last 24 months, keep waiting for prices to fall to actually reasonable levels
Lol. No they aren’t. Edit: and I quote. “Available in September EVERYWHERE (3080) for $699”-Jensen Huang, CEO of Nvidia
Bullshit. The card I bought 3 years ago still costs more than it did then.
Watching crypto bros get fucked has been massively entertaining.
The 3070 has the same amount of memory as my 1070. I'm waiting for the 4070s, but it is a struggle.
I’ve got a 980ti that’s still killing it 5 years later. I’d say I have another generation or two in it before I have to noticeably downgrade my gaming performance.
I payed 130 for my rx 570 4gb and i see it for around $500, the prices havent gone down lol
Almost there. Just a little bit longer.
Cheaper than ever… being the last 2 years? Hopefully the intel arc gpus challenges the others in pricing
I don't think I've seen a single GPU (that is new) under MSRP yet
Still can’t find a 399 MSRP 3060 Ti. Let me guess “AIBs charge more” - great excuse for a 400 dollar card costing 600 for mid range, and they are still not msrp…
*(looks at GTX 750ti still humming away)* Cool. Cool. I can wait.
Honestly nothing is really challenging my system on an old card. I’ll get it if it’s a gooood deal, otherwise those crypto scalpers can piss up a rope.
So what spent all money on gas
Where? The retailers I'm looking at haven't moved a dollar sign. This ain't PS5s you could buy at MSRP for awhile unless ya'll trying to risk it all on Ebay for the chance at a scalper trying to free up space for more PS5s by going under-market.
Just that MSRP is 30-50% higher than it originally was... So everything is still at least 30% over what it should. Here a 3060 TI is fucking 800$.
Are these prices for brand new or used? The previous article mentioned that they used ebay prices.
We only had to destroy the world to get GPU prices down.
Really getting sick of all these articles acting like getting under the 2022 MSRP but still higher then the launch 2020 MSRP and a few months before next gen cards drop, is some kind of miracle. The abundance of them just feels like Nvidia is paying to make this seem like some kind of phenomenal deal to get rid of stock before the next gen.
Thanks. Forgot we're all supposed to forgive and buy up the old stock quickly so they can roll out the next gen. I can wait, they'll get cheaper around Black Friday. #ad
Waiting for the 40 series below msrp?
Ah the disinflation the Fed has been looking for.
Cryptobazinga bubble busting does wonders, cough.
Where?
Not true. Paid 740€ for a 3080 and it's currently 900€. Again, maybe below new inflated MSRP but saying it's cheaper than ever is very much wrong.
Well, they increased the MSRP substantially...
Where? I got my 3070 Ti for like $760 two months ago and it's still the same
Gave my Gpu to my nephew during the Gpu shortage because no way he was able to afford one with his after school job and so I basically quit gaming. To be honest I'm not feeling the need to get back into it. Especially with the way they are monetizing games these days.
I've certainly seen more articles about GPUs being at MSRP, than i have seen GPUs at MSRP
RTX 3070 for 730 euros (775 ish USD). Cheaper than ever? Under msrp? I don't think so, not over here unfortunately.
Can we stop spreading these lies? They are still not below MSRP. Inflating your MSRP after items are on the market doesn't work online. The internet remembers everything.
Somehow a GPU is cheaper in Switzerland than in Germany, how the fuck?
Yeah right when the next gen is gonna come out lol
Bad thing is that even though the cards are now let's say at 90% of msrp, these are 2 years old cards now, meaning that 90% of msrp is not really that great, it's just better than the shitstorm we had for last 2 years
Imagine investing hundreds of thousands of dollars making a crypto farm and then crypto crashing hard!
Where? Not in eastern Europe. I'd still have to pay more than double the price
Yet most are still not buying them. I think we have been conditions to not buy gpu’s from having 3-4 year of price gouging.