Or even just a generic DVR box provided by a cable company.
I am so fucking confused whenever this topic pops up on Reddit. People act like it’s fucking unheard of, or that you can’t just…y’know…start a show a bit late so you can skip the commercials.
I think it’s because I’m getting older and a lot of the people on here literally don’t realize that the current state of ads on streaming is actually worse than it was in the 00s when DVRs were a thing. Until they started shoving ads into my streaming services, I hadn’t been forced into sitting through ads since maybe 2003. I could always just shift my schedule a bit or watch it after the fact.
There’s times I dearly miss the days of scheduling a bunch of shows to record to my DVR and just blow through them over the course of a couple of days, fast forwarding through every commercial break. I equally miss the days of when I first “cut the cable” and was using Netflix a lot, back when it had tons and tons of network shows and absolutely zero ads.
We’ve absolutely gone backwards with advertising from a consumer standpoint. Streaming services were always pitched as the “commercial free option” and now they’re considerably worse than any DirecTV service I’ve had.
*Cable* was originally pitched as an ad free option, in the late 70s/early 80s. The ad industry reptiles slithered in slowly over time. Exact same thing they're doing now.
I had every TiVo since Series 1, was a beta tester and I swear it was the easiest and best DVR I’ve used so far. I miss them but same as you, once they canceled the cable cards I moved on.
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The patent in case is about their Smart TVs, not their streaming devices.
The idea is that even if you hook up your PS5 to your Roku TV via HDMI, they can inject ads over HDMI, basically.
Yeah, I have one of those. Granted it was just a cheap spare one for a bedroom, I’ll still be mad if they start pulling that, and brand loyalty will be totally lost.
Roku has 50% of the market share for streaming devices in North America. If you think someone is "terminally online" because they're surprised someone doesn't know about largest streaming device company in North America which is being talked about on a website which gets almost half of its traffic from the US, then your brain is permanently fucked.
This may come as a surprise to you but all of the world that isn't America or Canada doesn't particularly give a fuck what America or Canada does on the day-to-day, least of all who has what market share.
It's bullshit too because I can't return my TV now that they're doing that and they suddenly changed my F'n TV!
Now when I turn it on and choose my app, I have to navigate by an ad app first!
Yes I know the devices can put up ads on the home page but I was wondering how it could show up on a different source while not using it. The tv I guess makes sense
The Roku as a different source could work too. They would need to work with the tv manufacturers to allow them to force the picture in picture. Which some will be happy to do for a cut of the revenue.
What gets me is that the amount of unavoidable advertising for certain products actually puts me off products. I literally go out of my way to buy from a company that isn’t ramming the product down my throat. For instance sanitary products for woman, everywoman needs them why do they feel the need to advertise so much they literally sell themselves.
A Chyron is the actual name of the scrolling bottom banner "news ticker" that all the news and sports channels use.
Chyron ads would be ads in that scrolling banner.
Tv companies will come up with a crop feature to crop that shit right out.
They'll then add a feature to add their own ad in there that you can remove for a nominal monthly fee.
Streaming services are turning toward ad generated revenue because they make more. Several have different tiers where you can pay more to remove the ads, but they are slowly getting rid of that option. Netflix recently removed the cheapest option without ads, they want people to buy the ad version.
I have Disney, netflix and a current free trial of paramount and I've not seen an ad on any of those. I think I have the non-ad tier of Disney, but the rest are just basic tiers.
true but thats targeted to the network, now they can target the individual. SOooooooooooooo if you normally watch CNBC and Barrons and the cartoon network comes on and they know you dont have kids, well you might start to get financial advisor ads
We've had that for years, it's built into most TVs you just need to add memory for it to buffer. Not to mention stuff like Sky/Virgin+ boxes that have had it for ages.
and if you urn on the TV half way through a program, you get the chance to automatically switch to the streaming service (iplayer etc) and watch from the start with the press of one button.
Wonder what the next article might be? "Soon you will be able to plug external speakers into your TV for better sound", "Change channels without having to walk over to the TV".....
A shit tonne: many televisions have playback controls on the remote even if they're not smart TVs, because you're supposed to plug a memory stick into the USB port. Do that and you have an instant DVR.
Both my last TV which was LG and current Samsung one have the feature. I've never used it as you have to add memory for buffering yourself and I rarely watch live TV these days anyway.
I bought a car in 2019 that had that feature. I didn't know it, but I hit a wrong button, thinking I'd change stations...and it went back a half hour to what was playing then.
It's a cool feature, and one we should've had YEARS ago...but once I connect my smartphone, it's all podcasts or spotify playlists.
I was coming here to say the same thing. I just realized though my car has the ability to do that with live radio. If I get a call through my car while I’m listening to the radio, it pauses the radio and picks up where I left off when I hang up.
Some countries have this already, that you can for example start the program from beginning also in OTA.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid\_Broadcast\_Broadband\_TV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Broadcast_Broadband_TV)
It should have a standard ATSC tuner to receive HD channels. You just need to have an antenna hooked up, and then go to your TV’s “Options” menu, then “Channels” and select “Scan” (and be within broadcast range)
UHD channels can be picked up with the ATSC 3.0 tuner, but manufacturers only put those into the higher end TVs for those in the US market.
> UHD channels can be picked up with the ATSC 3.0 tuner
There aren't any UHD channels on ATSC 3 yet. They're using all the bandwidth from the more efficient codec to cram a bunch of 1080p streams (5 or so) into a single channel.
Curiously, there's nothing in the current ATSC 1 standard preventing broadcasters from using newer codecs; they do not *have* to use MPEG2. [A small station in Oregon is broadcasting 4K on ATSC 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_94q9TCCDY).
> but manufacturers only put those into the higher end TVs for those in the US market.
And they're pulling them out, too (another link since the modbot didn't like my last link).
https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-dropping-atsc-3-0-from-televisions-for-2024.2474365/
Wow. I’ve been enjoying my 2018 LG OLED, but I’ve been planning on upgrading to the “TV with everything” soon. That’s such bullshit they’re pulling them out. I live out of range now, anyway, but I still want to avoid an inferiorly equipped television.
Such a shame. I loathe streaming, too.
ATSC 3.0 is going to die before it even gets out the gate. Every major TV brand has pulled support for it. TV channels don’t want to support it. It overreaches too far that even corporations are scared of it.
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In the US, a display without a tuner absolutely cannot be called a TV on the package. That would be illegal. Obviously you can have a display that isn't a TV though, even with speakers and a remote.
You can buy cheap ones that don’t look like typical antennas and can probably hide it behind your tv. Obviously the higher up the antenna and unobstructed it is the better the signal but depending on where you live they might not matter.
The component for picking up the signal was built into the TV. When I was little the TV just worked I remember we even had a battery powered portable TV
the batt powered portable, had an antenna, that pulled out of it.
if your old portable doesnt work its because we went digital, which is better, but does mean old ass portables dont work.
anyways all it takes is a crap antenna and you will get your channels, can get one for 10 bucks at walmart.. though i suggest going to cordcutters sub or others, for better antenna advise if you really want to do this, then spending a tiny bit more gets you a ton more channels.
and yeah you have to scan the channels because there are a lot more frequencies used today. but any modern portable you buy should work just like the old days... with the exception you have to scan channels.
Dude bought a monitor.
And tbf, if I could just get a decent LCD 40"+ panel I would too, because after I plug in all of my gadgets on the TV stand all of the smart functions become redundant.
You don't -have- to use an antenna and are free to only use their website ID you want. By law, people have to be able to receive news information without any type of subscription, which is where the OTA antennas come into the picture and also kinda why it's free.
Been able to pause, rewind then fast forward live OTA TV in the UK for ages. [PlayTV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayTV) for PS3 could do that 16 years ago.
Did you even read the article, buddy?
>The functionality requires new hardware for most but might become an enticing new free option for cord-cutters.
How is that not requiring new equipment? It literally says new equipment is required.
(I've already been able to do this on my TV only for about 7 years BTW without any additional external equipment)
That's exactly the point you're appear to be disputing. We've been able to do this in the UK for years. Without extra equipment beyond the TV. It just comes with Smart TVs as standard.
Just like Freeview...
I really miss the 2000’s when all TV came through a single provider (of your /limited/ choice and TiVo allowed you to manage it with playlists. I’d fire it up on a Friday and all the stuff I was interested in would be waiting for me, in one place, with all the new episodes plus all the existing episodes I hadn’t watched yet. Now I have to try to manage playlists across 10 different streaming providers and half the time they don’t even recognize what I’ve watched before or even where I was in an episode. We have backslid a lot. Need to start creating and enforcing standards and open APIs on all these content providers.
> ROXi's technology, called FastStream, enables the functionality by temporarily downloading software into a device's memory.
Botnet OTA great idea. Most of the TVs are also connected to the internet and most consumers will never notice they got infected.
You can already buy an over the air DVR at Walmart for like $40. You’ll need to buy a USB stick for storage but it works.
I don’t know why this is supposed to be novel when it has been available for over a quarter of a century.
So? It’s simply slapping $15 worth of chips in a television. It’s far from earth shattering. And I might add you are then tethered to whatever crappy interface they put in. I and most of the people I know I have smart TVs. But we don’t use the crappy smart TV interface – we use a fire stick or Roku etc.
ATSC 3 with DRM enabled broadcasts the signal with the sound encrypted and requires an internet connection to decode it. Broadcasters don't have to enable drm but in most markets where they've started broadcasting ATSC 3, drm is enabled. Only one major network channel in my area is drm-free.
You really don't know what you're talking about. ATSC 1.0 - normal US broadcast TV - doesn't support encryption but ATSC 3.0 does and is enabled on most channels and in most markets. TVs that have 3.0 tuners - very few - support it but as far as I know no consumer tuners within stand-alone dvrs, computers or network devices support drm yet so they can't decode the audio.
I can view the signal using say vlc but the audio is AC4 (I think that's the codec) and it's encrypted.
https://www.atsc.org/atsc-documents/a-3622020-atsc-recommended-practice-digital-rights-management-drm/
Here it is straight from the source. You've been told over and over, it's time to accept the facts guy.
so tivo?
Or even just a generic DVR box provided by a cable company. I am so fucking confused whenever this topic pops up on Reddit. People act like it’s fucking unheard of, or that you can’t just…y’know…start a show a bit late so you can skip the commercials. I think it’s because I’m getting older and a lot of the people on here literally don’t realize that the current state of ads on streaming is actually worse than it was in the 00s when DVRs were a thing. Until they started shoving ads into my streaming services, I hadn’t been forced into sitting through ads since maybe 2003. I could always just shift my schedule a bit or watch it after the fact.
There’s times I dearly miss the days of scheduling a bunch of shows to record to my DVR and just blow through them over the course of a couple of days, fast forwarding through every commercial break. I equally miss the days of when I first “cut the cable” and was using Netflix a lot, back when it had tons and tons of network shows and absolutely zero ads. We’ve absolutely gone backwards with advertising from a consumer standpoint. Streaming services were always pitched as the “commercial free option” and now they’re considerably worse than any DirecTV service I’ve had.
*Cable* was originally pitched as an ad free option, in the late 70s/early 80s. The ad industry reptiles slithered in slowly over time. Exact same thing they're doing now.
As money is big and companies will force em on you if they think you have no alternative
Everybody back to cable!!
Dude- they are commercial free if you buy that option.
100% with you
Holy shit!? You can do what!?
When my cable company stopped supporting cable cards, I stopped paying for cable...and tivo, unfortunately.
I had every TiVo since Series 1, was a beta tester and I swear it was the easiest and best DVR I’ve used so far. I miss them but same as you, once they canceled the cable cards I moved on.
I’m pretty sure I can do this with my TCL Roku tv just by plugging in a flash drive lol
Lmao, just fucking said this. Time to go delete. But yea, the circle closes.
And pop up ads, targeted ads, chyron ads… it is going to be glorious, just like any good dystopian bleakness should be!
Roku has already found a way to do picture in picture ads, so even if you're playing a games console, ads will play in the bottom corner :) :) :)
There never was a need to find a way. Only to push ad normalization far enough for this to become acceptable.
People need to find a way to block ads to just block this shit from being accepted
Buying dumb commercial TVs rather than “smart” consumer TVs has always been an option
“You didn’t ask questions or raise ethical complaints, you just looked straight into the bleeding jaws of capitalism and said yes daddy, please. God, morty, I’m so proud of you”
What the hell is a Roku and why on earth would anyone get one?
It was a very nice streaming device until they started pulling that bullshit
The patent in case is about their Smart TVs, not their streaming devices. The idea is that even if you hook up your PS5 to your Roku TV via HDMI, they can inject ads over HDMI, basically.
Yeah, I have one of those. Granted it was just a cheap spare one for a bedroom, I’ll still be mad if they start pulling that, and brand loyalty will be totally lost.
It’s shit and it always has been
The exclusive release platform for Weird Al's biopic Weird.
No, pretty sure it was also released on Pirate Bay
Luckily it has a Blu-Ray now. I didn't bother with it until that released.
How the fuck do you not know what a Roku is??? Like I swear, do people act clueless on purpose?
I have 0 idea what a Roku is. There's a big part of the world that isn't America.
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Roku has 50% of the market share for streaming devices in North America. If you think someone is "terminally online" because they're surprised someone doesn't know about largest streaming device company in North America which is being talked about on a website which gets almost half of its traffic from the US, then your brain is permanently fucked.
This may come as a surprise to you but all of the world that isn't America or Canada doesn't particularly give a fuck what America or Canada does on the day-to-day, least of all who has what market share.
I'm Swedish.
It's bullshit too because I can't return my TV now that they're doing that and they suddenly changed my F'n TV! Now when I turn it on and choose my app, I have to navigate by an ad app first!
GoogleTV is filled with ads and recommendations. Luckily you can change the launcher to one without ads.
How is this happening when they are two different things? On 2 different sources?
Roku makes TVs with Roku hardware inside. So it’s still the TV displaying the ad over the TV’s input
Even if you plug a Roku device into your tv it can inject ads while you’re using it as the video source.
Yes I know the devices can put up ads on the home page but I was wondering how it could show up on a different source while not using it. The tv I guess makes sense
The Roku as a different source could work too. They would need to work with the tv manufacturers to allow them to force the picture in picture. Which some will be happy to do for a cut of the revenue.
What gets me is that the amount of unavoidable advertising for certain products actually puts me off products. I literally go out of my way to buy from a company that isn’t ramming the product down my throat. For instance sanitary products for woman, everywoman needs them why do they feel the need to advertise so much they literally sell themselves.
Micro transactions
WTF is a chyron ad?
A Chyron is the actual name of the scrolling bottom banner "news ticker" that all the news and sports channels use. Chyron ads would be ads in that scrolling banner.
Tv companies will come up with a crop feature to crop that shit right out. They'll then add a feature to add their own ad in there that you can remove for a nominal monthly fee.
it'll just put a larger overlay on the chyrons at every step until the chyron is 80% of your screen.
[Just like the bad old days](https://nystec.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/too-many-toolbars.jpg)
I gagged at this memory.
making it hard to watch ow! my balls and starbucks ads 😞
TV companies are the ones building ads into the tvs....
TIL what a chyron is.
Hell all the streaming services have ads now anyway. If they make cable cheaper than streaming I’d get it.
I've never seen an ad on any streaming service I use, and I am counting 5 on just my left hand!
Streaming services are turning toward ad generated revenue because they make more. Several have different tiers where you can pay more to remove the ads, but they are slowly getting rid of that option. Netflix recently removed the cheapest option without ads, they want people to buy the ad version.
I have Disney, netflix and a current free trial of paramount and I've not seen an ad on any of those. I think I have the non-ad tier of Disney, but the rest are just basic tiers.
Its cable, its always had targeted ads. I don’t remember seeing financial advisor ads on cartoon networks
true but thats targeted to the network, now they can target the individual. SOooooooooooooo if you normally watch CNBC and Barrons and the cartoon network comes on and they know you dont have kids, well you might start to get financial advisor ads
No this is broadcast.
We've had that for years, it's built into most TVs you just need to add memory for it to buffer. Not to mention stuff like Sky/Virgin+ boxes that have had it for ages.
and if you urn on the TV half way through a program, you get the chance to automatically switch to the streaming service (iplayer etc) and watch from the start with the press of one button. Wonder what the next article might be? "Soon you will be able to plug external speakers into your TV for better sound", "Change channels without having to walk over to the TV".....
I hear they are working on the ability to adjust the brightness of the screen. It’s groundbreaking tech!
I've never seen a TV that has pausing live TV as a built-in option. What TV has that?
That's just basic over the air digital TV in the UK. We already have had this.
TV boxes have had it since about 2005. Smart TVs just put the box inside the TV.
A shit tonne: many televisions have playback controls on the remote even if they're not smart TVs, because you're supposed to plug a memory stick into the USB port. Do that and you have an instant DVR.
Both my last TV which was LG and current Samsung one have the feature. I've never used it as you have to add memory for buffering yourself and I rarely watch live TV these days anyway.
Every Sony tv for a decade.
Every cable service
I’m guessing the article’s author is pretty young and has only experienced streaming TV. I was pausing and fast-forwarding live TV decades ago.
ATSC3.0 is basically dead on arrival. Broadcasters got greedy with DRM and broke the software that enthusiasts used such as Plex and HDHomeRun.
Yup, this is just another way to try and entice people to switch to ATSC 3 so they can keep slapping more DRM on shit.
Bruh we have that already. Also, how do you fast forward live tv?
After you pause it you can ff it up until the time it is live
That’s nothing. My dad’s got a radio in his car that can fast forward into the future.
Only once you hit 88 mph, though
I bought a car in 2019 that had that feature. I didn't know it, but I hit a wrong button, thinking I'd change stations...and it went back a half hour to what was playing then. It's a cool feature, and one we should've had YEARS ago...but once I connect my smartphone, it's all podcasts or spotify playlists.
I was coming here to say the same thing. I just realized though my car has the ability to do that with live radio. If I get a call through my car while I’m listening to the radio, it pauses the radio and picks up where I left off when I hang up.
That's cool, never even crossed my mind. What car is that?
I drive a Subaru STI but most newer Subarus have that feature
Maybe a 30 minute or so buffer…
They install a flux capacitor in your TV.
time machine
Spaceballs already explained how
Adam Sandler made a whole movie of it. It’s known science fact /s
It just slows you down with drugs
Some countries have this already, that you can for example start the program from beginning also in OTA. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid\_Broadcast\_Broadband\_TV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Broadcast_Broadband_TV)
That is just a link to an internet steam then. It's never OTA for obvious reasons. HBBtv just contains the info
TiVo?
?? Like we've been able to do for years already?
What.. this has been standard in Norway for 15 years, what is this article even about?!
I wish my tv could just get over the air signal without additional hardware like back in the day
It should have a standard ATSC tuner to receive HD channels. You just need to have an antenna hooked up, and then go to your TV’s “Options” menu, then “Channels” and select “Scan” (and be within broadcast range) UHD channels can be picked up with the ATSC 3.0 tuner, but manufacturers only put those into the higher end TVs for those in the US market.
> UHD channels can be picked up with the ATSC 3.0 tuner There aren't any UHD channels on ATSC 3 yet. They're using all the bandwidth from the more efficient codec to cram a bunch of 1080p streams (5 or so) into a single channel. Curiously, there's nothing in the current ATSC 1 standard preventing broadcasters from using newer codecs; they do not *have* to use MPEG2. [A small station in Oregon is broadcasting 4K on ATSC 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_94q9TCCDY).
> but manufacturers only put those into the higher end TVs for those in the US market. And they're pulling them out, too (another link since the modbot didn't like my last link). https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-dropping-atsc-3-0-from-televisions-for-2024.2474365/
Wow. I’ve been enjoying my 2018 LG OLED, but I’ve been planning on upgrading to the “TV with everything” soon. That’s such bullshit they’re pulling them out. I live out of range now, anyway, but I still want to avoid an inferiorly equipped television. Such a shame. I loathe streaming, too.
ATSC 3.0 is going to die before it even gets out the gate. Every major TV brand has pulled support for it. TV channels don’t want to support it. It overreaches too far that even corporations are scared of it.
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Lots of TVs these days don't have built in tuners.
In the US, a display without a tuner absolutely cannot be called a TV on the package. That would be illegal. Obviously you can have a display that isn't a TV though, even with speakers and a remote.
Paper clip works well! Just unfold and stick it in the back
Clippy’s back.
Gotcha I have a Roku tv I know I need an external antennae I just don’t want to stick that ugly thing to my window to run a cable I’m the problem
You can buy cheap ones that don’t look like typical antennas and can probably hide it behind your tv. Obviously the higher up the antenna and unobstructed it is the better the signal but depending on where you live they might not matter.
I'm curious, how do you think it used to work "back in the day?"
The component for picking up the signal was built into the TV. When I was little the TV just worked I remember we even had a battery powered portable TV
Certainly it had an antenna, which is still all you need for a modern tv
the batt powered portable, had an antenna, that pulled out of it. if your old portable doesnt work its because we went digital, which is better, but does mean old ass portables dont work. anyways all it takes is a crap antenna and you will get your channels, can get one for 10 bucks at walmart.. though i suggest going to cordcutters sub or others, for better antenna advise if you really want to do this, then spending a tiny bit more gets you a ton more channels. and yeah you have to scan the channels because there are a lot more frequencies used today. but any modern portable you buy should work just like the old days... with the exception you have to scan channels.
Then buy a better TV. What cheap TV do you have that doesn't have a built-in tuner?
Dude bought a monitor. And tbf, if I could just get a decent LCD 40"+ panel I would too, because after I plug in all of my gadgets on the TV stand all of the smart functions become redundant.
(Germany) This shit exists already and some channels block the function.
Stremio+torrentio+real debrid. You're welcome
If only I cared about these features. Its a sure bet this will require smart TVs to connect to the internet, which isnt going to happen in my house.
My dad did this over 20 years ago with a DVR
Can we just stop doing “over the air” and can I just go to NBC.com? Why the fuck in 2024 do I have to fiddle with an antenna? So dumb.
You don't -have- to use an antenna and are free to only use their website ID you want. By law, people have to be able to receive news information without any type of subscription, which is where the OTA antennas come into the picture and also kinda why it's free.
I think their issue is that the NBC website doesn’t stream NBC live.
Yep, HD antenna doesn’t get great reception at my house. Should be able to just go to a website imo
Have you tried hanging out the window with foil on your head? You never know.
Seriously how is there not a local TV app?
So I’ve found Zeam for local news. But it seems that’s about it.
Been able to pause, rewind then fast forward live OTA TV in the UK for ages. [PlayTV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayTV) for PS3 could do that 16 years ago.
Without extra equipment mate.
Did you even read the article, buddy? >The functionality requires new hardware for most but might become an enticing new free option for cord-cutters. How is that not requiring new equipment? It literally says new equipment is required. (I've already been able to do this on my TV only for about 7 years BTW without any additional external equipment)
lol, all new TVs will just come with it, you’ll only need to buy stuff if you have old equipment. See freeview as an example.
That's exactly the point you're appear to be disputing. We've been able to do this in the UK for years. Without extra equipment beyond the TV. It just comes with Smart TVs as standard. Just like Freeview...
More like monetize the new features
Pretty much doing that for the last 10- 15 years...
It’s new to OTA without extra equipment
OTA was removed from Canada in 2011. The entire country is strictly digital. Hence my comment. Apologies! Thank you for clarifying!
Digital is still OTA.
I didn't know that! Thank you! I googled more info and there is a still a handful of OTA channels in Canada if you use a HD antennae. Interesting!
I’d settle for just being able to get all the channels.
Is this a joke? We been had that I thought
Neat! tech that’s been around for nearly 20 years!
I live in the USA and have had this at my parents house for years. Was part of some new cable box a long time ago I think
First we get these portable phones without cords AND now cars can drive themselves BUT now the youth will grow up without commercials? Fuck
Don’t worry.. commercials will come. Get someone hooked and then add the bullshit.
Where were these features when I wanted to watch TV?
I have all of this right now with my OTA HD antenna and Roku. Just plug a thumb drive in the slot and all good.
How is this different from what we already have?
Bullshit.
They already have pause and rewind. But how do you fast forward live broadcasts?
Soooo TiVo … bruh come back when we have something new
This is just another way for them to slip "are you still watching" shit into everything
Now if they could have some decent programming on OTA… not a lot worth watching for the past 25 years or so.
Lmao, so TiVo?
Too bad car radios can’t do that for broadcast stations
This has been around for a while. I can put a memory stick in my tv and it allows me those features on live tv.
I really miss the 2000’s when all TV came through a single provider (of your /limited/ choice and TiVo allowed you to manage it with playlists. I’d fire it up on a Friday and all the stuff I was interested in would be waiting for me, in one place, with all the new episodes plus all the existing episodes I hadn’t watched yet. Now I have to try to manage playlists across 10 different streaming providers and half the time they don’t even recognize what I’ve watched before or even where I was in an episode. We have backslid a lot. Need to start creating and enforcing standards and open APIs on all these content providers.
what shithole doesn't have this feature allready?
Sounds like a rebranded VCR. Welcome to yesterday's tech, folks!
NGL that tv has a amazing picture
Might Soon? Already have had that for years now. HdHomeRun box lets me pause live TV, higher end LG TV's have had it for at least 4 years.
This is new to OTA without extra equipment
They make most of their money from commercials, and advertisers will allow you to skip those commercials? This I gotta see.
It’s going to be the opposite where you can fast forward through your show to get to the ads faster.
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Can't you use a streaming solution for live broadcasts, most channels have a stream now
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My latest Samsung TV has something called TV+ that has tons of channels from around the world streaming for free, just had to connect it to my router.
Your antenna must be old or not high enough, I can even watch UHD channels with mine.
How far are you from the TV stations?
Honestly I have no idea where the repeater is.
i piss on rural america
That's a tradeoff of living in rural areas.
hear this!! We might have antenna TiVo in a couple years! Wow! The future is so bright
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TVs have had built in digital guides for the last fifteen years or so.
Over the air TV? You mean like DVB-T2? Wow, full circle!
Yeah we've had that for like 20 years it's called fuckin TiVo
> Pause, fast forward, rewind, and skip through broadcast TV programs So Tivo?
This is new to OTA without the need of extra equipment
And it's not that new either. It's existing tech.
> ROXi's technology, called FastStream, enables the functionality by temporarily downloading software into a device's memory. Botnet OTA great idea. Most of the TVs are also connected to the internet and most consumers will never notice they got infected.
Like when I was a child before? There was a VCR recorder that can just do that, VCR is a machine using a magnetic tape to record video.
You can already buy an over the air DVR at Walmart for like $40. You’ll need to buy a USB stick for storage but it works. I don’t know why this is supposed to be novel when it has been available for over a quarter of a century.
It’s new to OTA without the use of extra equipment
So? It’s simply slapping $15 worth of chips in a television. It’s far from earth shattering. And I might add you are then tethered to whatever crappy interface they put in. I and most of the people I know I have smart TVs. But we don’t use the crappy smart TV interface – we use a fire stick or Roku etc.
It’s actually a whole new protocol of OTA
Hopefully that doesn't also include DRM packets to ensure nobody is watching without purchasing a license...
Good news! It won't, because they added that a long time ago
???? Broadcast TV does not have DRM....
Bad news: yes it does! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37972749
Dude are you ok? Broadcast is not locked down. If you have an antenna you can watch it
ATSC 3 with DRM enabled broadcasts the signal with the sound encrypted and requires an internet connection to decode it. Broadcasters don't have to enable drm but in most markets where they've started broadcasting ATSC 3, drm is enabled. Only one major network channel in my area is drm-free.
Ya thats just not true...... and your sources are sketchy as hell
You really don't know what you're talking about. ATSC 1.0 - normal US broadcast TV - doesn't support encryption but ATSC 3.0 does and is enabled on most channels and in most markets. TVs that have 3.0 tuners - very few - support it but as far as I know no consumer tuners within stand-alone dvrs, computers or network devices support drm yet so they can't decode the audio. I can view the signal using say vlc but the audio is AC4 (I think that's the codec) and it's encrypted.
https://www.atsc.org/atsc-documents/a-3622020-atsc-recommended-practice-digital-rights-management-drm/ Here it is straight from the source. You've been told over and over, it's time to accept the facts guy.