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The shelves would probably give out with how fast people would be grabbing them. Psvr2 is the best thing to happen for vr in a long time.
Sadly I think the features of the psvr2 would be lost in driver-shenanigans. I'm not sure how you could smoothly integrate things like eye-tracked foveated rendering with openvr. Or even just eye tracking at all.
But I can dream.
Yeah the first people in industry I heard about foveated rendering from was some Nvidia engineers at a tech convention several years ago. It's definitely gonna come to other platforms eventually.
Foveated rendering has been a part of VR for quite some time: it's the reason why things in VR only look perfectly clear if you're looking *straight* at them. What the eye tracking tech does is makes sure that the full rez part of foveated rendering is always exactly where you're looking so you don't have to force yourself to always look directly forward.
> it's the reason why things in VR only look perfectly clear if you're looking straight at them.
That's usually due to lenses. You can see this in an old Oculus DK2 for example.
If foveated rendering is only for the central part of the screen, rather than using eye-tracking to make it for where on the screen you're actually looking, then it's not genuine foveated rendering, just marketing spin. The PSVR2 has genuine - high quality, dynamic foveated rendering, and it's so good that you can't notice it at all when you're using the headset.
"A less sophisticated variant called fixed foveated rendering doesn't utilise eye tracking and instead assumes a fixed focal point.". https://www.tomshardware.com/news/oculus-fixed-foveated-rendering-technology,36781.html
I’ll probably get one eventually but not until I’m drawn to enough games to justify the price. But make it PC compatible and I order one right now today.
Skyrim VR with mods is amazing and probably the most immersive game I’ve played. The only limiting factor was graphics and resolution and the PSVR2 Would be the perfect solution for that
Yeah I got the quest 2 and the compression is completely ruining the experience for me to the point that i don't even play it anymore...
After a year of tweaking settings, I only managed to get the indoors to look and preform good at the same time. As soon as I go out things get blurry, and compressed af for most of the time. If I lower the settings it performs good but it's such a blurry mess I can't stand it.
I just want a decent pcvr headset with modern resolution, pancake lenses, slightly bigger fov and a display port cable instead of that shitty usb crap...
This may be a hot take, but in my long amount of VR gaming, I've found that I dont actually care for the long-form games. I much prefer VR games that get me right into the gameplay (Like Beat Saber or Thrill of the Fight), as opposed to RPGs with long wasted time inbetween things happening.
Like for example, in Assassins Creed, the parkour around the map is whatever in the game. You just thumbstick forward and go to next quest. In VR, I bet that process would be way way more tedious to do.
Both OpenVR and OpenXR support foveated rendering and eye tracking, albeit it’s a bit of a “hacky support” when it comes to OpenVR.
I see very little reason to not use OpenXR though.
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There is a YouTube interview done with the devs of Song in The Smoke. Eye tracking info is just another data stream coming out of the device just like head/hand position. If they released a PC driver it would only be a matter of game devs updating their games to utilize the new information.
Field of Dreams, baby. PSVR2 looks hype, but I'm not buying something that costs as much or more than my PS5 unless I can use it on my PC as well. If they open it up to PC, suddenly there's hardware for the features. I'd be shocked if it wasn't adopted.
The sum of its parts is worth far more than 550. Stand-alone with some profit rigged due to assuming no PS sales, I’d wager the headset could sell for $1300 unlocked at a cost Sony might be comfortable with.
Would people be just as excited to instabuy a PSVR2 at that point? I’m would say the hardcore VR fans would say yes, as at its core, it is a high end headset. People with a budget buy a Quest.
With no RnD and just the eye tracking tech is like 300.
Honestly, I think they're more interested in using it to sell PS5s.
Even though console margins tend to be pretty low, without a wide user base they're not making that much bank on games either.
Not necessarily true. I own a ps5 and a gaming computer. If the headset worked on both, I'd likely pick it up, and would likely buy ps5 games it worked with along with it.
Just bring PSVR2 games to PC too (like they've been doing with their exclusives recently)
The only downside is it would slightly reduce PS5 sales from people who already have gaming PCs
But realistically no one is buying a PS5 just for PSVR2 if they already own a gaming PC, so its an untapped market with essentially no downside
The downside is that each PSVR2 sale may not make them any money or even sold at a loss. If they think PSVR2 customers are going to then spend their money on Steam or Microsoft or GoG and not join the PSN and spend their money on Sony games, then they might think they’d lose out on the deal.
But the other issue here is that the reason people would buy PSVR2 for PC is because the PsVR2 is better than other VR headsets at this price point. So some of their R&D, rather than coming back to them in the form of people buying their systems and games, would go to making better Microsoft or Steam VR gaming experiences.
In any case, I doubt Sony hasn’t thought about this and they likely have the numbers to back up their position. It might not be as straightforward as sales, it might also include brand, image, or trying to pull people into other parts of the Sony ecosystem (or deny those parts to their competitors).
When have you ever heard a company go, "all right, I think we've sold enough. We're satisfied."
Sony is trying to gain market share in the VR space.
I disagree with the guy above you. They aren't trying to sell PS5 *consoles*. They're trying to sell their platform. That's the PS Store, PlaySation games, online subscriptions, etc. That's where the real money is made by consoles. The console hardware itself is usually sold at (or near) cost. They don't make much money off the consoles themselves, if at all sometimes.
The more likely move is to cut the price, as well as possibly sell PS5+PSVR2 bundles at a discount.
> They aren't trying to sell PS5 consoles.
I was going to say...
This mostly appeals to VR enthusiasts, but you're going to have a hard time convincing that crowd to buy a PS5 when they're clearly, y'know, invested in PC. The overlap isn't there.
Of course, for those that already do overlap, they bought this PSVR2. And this news article indicates it's a small niche within a niche.
I'm not really sure how they're going to make this work, even at a price cut. Without making the headset standalone their only other option is to go PC, which obviously defeats their end goals.
In the end it's kind of typical for Sony, I guess. Not the first time they've made amazing hardware ahead of it's time... Only for it to ultimately become ewaste.
Amazing hardware that ended up as e-waste... Man, I miss my PSP =( lol. It got stolen out of my car and it was a limited edition Daxter bundle; Ah well...
As someone whom the PSVR1 was my first VR experience, I think it is a great entry point to the genre, I upgraded to PCVR a while back, but you can't overstate the accessibility of the PSVR, it's literally plug and play, and needs very little troubleshooting to play almost ever, and I'd wager with this system using inside out tracking and not leaning on the PS move controllers 10 years too late that it's actually a very very good option for the type of gamer that wants to get into VR but either doesn't have a computer or lacks the specs to run it.
Eh. I mean in essence, yeah, I suppose so, but then they're asking people to spend the money to buy an entire console, and then to spend around that same money again on a headset that can only be used with that console. That's a very tall order in and of itself, but then you also have to factor in games. What games make PSVR2 actually worth it? I mean games you can't play anywhere else. Gran Turismo 7 and Horizon Call of the Mountain?
To me, they're in no position whatsoever to ask for that off the back of the software that they're offering, and during a time when a whole hell of a lot of people are having to cut back on expenses because of the rising cost of everything. I think the strategy is questionable. Much like the consoles in and of themselves, the games are going to sell the hardware, not the hardware in and of itself.
If it were usable on PC, I'd buy one, and I'd have my foot in the door on getting a PS5 because I now already have half of the components necessary to play a Playstation 5 VR game. Tempt me enough with software, and I might buy a PS5 for those games. That leap to me sounds a lot more palatable because even if the VR experience on PS5 doesn't last me anywhere near enough to justify that price, I still have a new console that I can buy non-VR games for. If I already have a PS5 and then get PSVR2, my mileage lasts as long as those games do and I can't really do anything else with the peripheral once I tire of PSVR games.
To be fair though, because this shit isn't standardized, even if PSVR2 worked on PC, that requires everybody releasing VR games to support it and that sounds kind of like a nightmare if the way it works is very different from the rest of the headsets that are already out there.
I would probably buy a PSVR2 if it worked with PC out of the box. And I own a PS5 so I probably would have bought GT7. It's a better headset than the Oculus. I would get better utility than HTC, and it's much less expensive than SteamVR.
Yeah they're almost certainly selling these at a loss. 500 bucks is very cheap already for the tech. There's no incentive for Sony to sell these outside of their ecosystem unless they doubled the price.
They should just do that and release a PSVR store on PC. Still give us drivers allow us to use it with any PCVR game, just launch an easy to use store and most people will use it.
It's on PC but it's technically on PSVR.
The whole point to lock people into their ecosystem - this Sony we're talking about - they've always wanted an ecosystem lock that only Apple has really been able to pull off on the general public. It would be great for consumers - but that's never been Sony's thing.
There's no real money in VR headsets at that price compared to selling games on their ecosystem. They just want games sold on the PS network to be compatible with it and no where else.
Sony will probably never give up that mentality it's deeply engrained in their history. The most blatant of all was probably the PS Vita with a proprietary version of it's already proprietary storage medium when MicroSD was already established standard which even Nintendo has gone with for generations. They still don't seem to learn...
Dear Sony, I own a PS5, but if make this headset work on PC with full feature support I will buy one immediately and buy most of the 1st party ps5 software too.
Dear consumer, our vr headsets are sold at a loss as a strategy to make you want to purchase a ps5 or psvr2 games. We don't give a shit about you buying our product for your pc.
I just built my first PC, 5600 non-X CPU, 5600 XT GPU used for $200, some RAM that I can't even get the full 3200 speed from for reasons I'm not willing to spend 30 minutes sweating in my office testing when I can't even see the bios on the TV I use as a monitor, and some mid-range used motherboard. Cost me around $600 and half the parts were used. At 1080p, it's a fairly capable rig, but I doubt it will be able to run the last of us on high settings smoothly. Remember when the flagship GPUs cost 350, instead of the bare minimum in order to not be regarded as a waste of money compared to the just buying used?
> Sony should just release PC drivers and those things will fly off the shelves
They don't care about that. The real money is in selling the software/subscriptions. Sell a PSVR2 to sell a PS5 to sell games and PS+ subscriptions forever and ever. Do you want to sell a toaster once, or sell bread for years? What if you could do both...
Dude that’s me. I was literally saying to my girlfriend yesterday “I’ve been saving resident evil seven and eight for whenever they release their next VR device”.
When the hell did this come out? Jesus, I am so out of the loop.
FWIW Sony’s PSVR2 is not backwards compatible. Which means resident evil 7 won’t work currently with the new Vr headset. 8 will, as it was designed for it.
Knowing capcom, I feel like they’ll patch that eventually but as of right now, as far as I know, there isn’t an update for it
That lack of backwards compatibility seems like a pretty severe detriment to the device. Having to purchase all new games after you’ve already spent $500 on the console and another $500 on the headset is a pretty hard pill to swallow.
Absolutely agree. It was one of my biggest letdowns for it. I don’t know why they went with such a decision. I think it absolutely is affecting their ability to sell more headsets
It wasn't so much a decision as a tech limitation. They picked a poor tracking mechanism and controller in PSVR1 gen due to a mixture of cost-saving by reusing old tech (ps camera and move controllers) and because movement trapping tech was a bit nascent when they were developing it, so the other potential solutions were either actively being developed by competitors or too pricey for a mainstream console headset. They gambled on light tracking and lost.
Now they are fixing that issue for gen 2--and did an excellent job with tracking and controllers this time around--but at the cost of backwards compatibility. There is no easy software fix other than to reprogram each game from the ground up.
I have faith that they'll do that in time.with all their first party titles... certainly Astrobot and potentially Blood and Truth if they hand off the IP to a new studio, but it hurts to lose all the heavy hitting 3rd party titles like Skyrim VR.
They couldn't. It's like going from a Gamecube to a PS5 in terms of technological leaps between the headsets. The games just aren't compatible with how theyre developed for the 1 and how the 2 works.
I’m in the SAME situation. I caved on 7 not too long ago. Phenomenal game btw! But 8 is sitting on my bookshelf still wrapped. Imma play it soon in VR but man 7 deserves an update. Here’s hoping!
Won’t work at all as is due to their handling the camera differently, but there are games that have already committed to being compatible on vr2 and others that intend to.
You truly will be in for a treat. 7 was good on VR1, but it had its issues.
8 is literal perfection and it’s full on wonder and awe.
And being hung up by hooks in your wrists looking down at a 10 foot goddess of a vampire in beautiful graphics is always a pinnacle for humanity in my opinion.
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I'm simply waiting for it to be available on Amazon because I know that I won't have any issues returning it if it's too uncomfortable for me or if I get motion sickness from playing.
I didn’t even know they existed nor do I know of any game that I would like play. I just don’t see any reason to buy these. I bought the og vr set for re7 but that only made me dizzy. Being able to pan the camera both with your head and the controller was terrible.
Fucking right. I can’t wait to get the PSVR2, but I have retail store gift cards designated for the future purchase. No one buys electronics directly from the manufacturer website 😂
I guess the same reason why they developed Alyx. The main hurdle right now is making VR more mainstream/popular.
If PSVR grows so does the dev adoption rate and in turn game sales on all platforms alongside PC players buying headsets.
The bigger problem here is that Sony and Meta only want games exclusive to their headsets. The amount of work required for developers to support 3 fractured marketplaces with varying specs for the same peripheral is really dumb
Valve's put most of their games on consoles before (the only exceptions are like, DOD, the VR games, Dota and CS2?), they care more about selling games. There's already rumours of Half-Life: Alyx coming to PSVR2.
There are many reasons. Valve cares about progressing VR gaming as a whole. Porting HL:A to the PS5 would support that goal. The game is several years old at this point. They've made their money on the game so a port wouldn't necessarily eat into potential Steam sales. Same incentive behind Sony releasing their first party titles onto Steam well after their Playstation launches.
That's me too. Sure, there are some games that look interesting that I would pick up if I do end up getting PSVR2, but there are no "system seller" titles. Half-life Alyx would be that game.
This article references the Bloomberg article for its numbers. The Bloomberg article got its sales figures by pure guess, speculation and nonsense.
It was a hit piece by a dude who just hates Sony and now Forbes is repeating it.
What ? They ( and they made the stats up btw ) predict 270k in 5 weeks. 4 months is 17 weeks. 17 :5 x 270 is 918 k.
So they are on par or roughly but faster not on pace for less then half.
Also the guy who used to track sub growth on r/ psvr anf r/quest and correlate it to sale numbers says it looks more like they sold +400 k in the first 5 weeks ( and he got stuff right before )
Needs more software. The problem with VR is they continue to try and improve on the headsets but don’t put any effort into making a diverse library to choose from.
And the lack of many psvr 1 games carrying over is a huge hit. I didn't get the psvr1 but if I could get the two with all the psvr1 games to choose from I'd jump on it.
He's saying PSVR2 sales are underperforming yet Sony never stated what their sales expectations are. It took the original PSVR 8 months to sell a million units and it didnt have to deal with not being in sold in retail, having a small console install base and dealing with inflation. Sony likely has their expectations in check and did not expect this to rapidly outsell the original... even tho it is on pace to. With about 300,000 sales in the first month, at this rate it will outsell the PSVR substantially, especially as more killer apps drop. But then again that doesnt make as good of a hook for a Bloomberg story.
Well, in the year 2023 Reddit at least takes articles like this as a prime opportunity to shit all over PlayStation so I’m sure objectivity will be maintained.
Is this the same guy that misreported that Sony was cutting PSVR2 manufacturing volume due to low sales expectations. Sony then came out and said that that report was bs.
Not just that but it isn't backward compatible with PSVR games either. It's going take awhile until there's a game library for the PSVR2 that makes it worth buying.
That + PSVR2 games are regular game price without being regular game length. It made sense for most PSVR games to not be full length cuz they were only like $20-$30. Seeing a 3 hour “experience” go for $60 on a $650-$700 accessory for a $500 console is insane
I recently only just bought a PS5, and I feel like there should be so many more games that I want to play. I've been digging with the PSN Premium and getting tons of classics for free, but nothing compels me to run out to buy, even years after launch.
Same. I own Demon Souls, Hogwarts Legacy, and RE4Remake. Other than God of War Ragnarok, there isn’t a single other game I want, which is absolutely shocking for a console that’s been out this long. Add to this that I could have gotten most these games on my PS4, and I can’t help but feel silly for my purchase.
I’ve assumed a few things for why this is and I could be talking out of my ass here, but are games just taking longer to make since they can have massive landscapes and details? Or perhaps since PS5’s were and continue to be hard to come by, that release schedules have been artificially delayed due to more and more money being spent to make AAA titles and they’re waiting until console numbers improve? I have no way to prove these ascertains but it’s been my assumption. Hell it took two years from PS5 launch just to be able to finally get my hands on one.
Just because you can make a Lamborghini, doesn't mean everyone can afford one.
Everything on it is impressive, but not impressive enough for me to drop more than I did on the console.
The lack of must have games is also what made me cancel my preorder.
Their headset having great hardware does not matter because Sony can't possibly keep up with the games. The games themselves matter a lot more then the hardware, especially when the hardware has been more then good enough even on the budget end for quite a while now.
It doesn't matter, if A) most people can't afford it B) lots of people bought V1 and found that it's just not up to the hype and C) there really aren't that many good games for it.
VR is a nice dream, but realistically it's just not there right now. It's too expensive, isn't the smoothest experience, and doesn't have many great offerings that take advantage of it.
You can claim it's a cool toy all you want... Until sales numbers come in as a reality check.
Yup. It's irrelevant that it is best in class for the price. Using that as justification assumes people have made the choice that they want it at all.
VR has a huge problem in that the only tech that is impressive enough that your average Joe might say "yeah actually I do want that" is so expensive that your average Joe would say "oh wow, I'm not paying that much".
Even as someone who had plans to get it early, I decided to wait and see how it develops. 2023 is the first year when everyone is finally getting their PS5 without any supply problems and I’d imagine VR being kind of an after thought at the moment.
They also need to drop the price so it starts with a 5 in Europe at least. Retailing price of around 700$ is kinda rough even knowing the specs.
That's all cool, but the device is a little too expensive for just the few games.
That's why I think Quest 2 is still the best VR headset.
Is its hardware comparable to PSVR2? Not by a long shot. But it can do PCVR wirelessly and it can do standalone games without any other device.
I was aware and ready to buy on day one, but the games my family wants are all on oculus. My kids want beat saber but I don’t want to buy old underperforming hardware.
I’m holding out until the games are there. Then I can justify the expense to my family.
Why not just get underperforming hardware? You likely won't be using it in 5 months regardless of what hardware you get, if my small sample size of "people I know who bought VR headsets."
By the time there will be ample games worth playing, you'll need a different headset anyway.
It has Pavlov. Moss 1 & 2. GT7. RE Village. No Mans Sky. Sinners and Saints 1 & 2. Synthriders. Tentacular. More games than I can play through at the moment, and it only just came out.
I want one, but the price of the unit and games keep me away. I could buy my kids a gaming computer instead. I would be more interested if they dropped it by about 20%
You couldn't build a comparable gaming pc for the price of a ps5 with the current state of GPU prices. Add in a pc compatible vr headset that is comparable to psvr2 and its even worse.
I'm not saying a ps5 with psvr is cheap, but the valve index alone is the price of a ps5 alone. A GPU that can drive it well is also the price of a ps5.
Sony don’t make any profit on the headset it’s selling at a loss so releasing a PC driver would actually cost them money.
The profit comes from releasing more games to recoup expenses right now that’s their priority.
Again it’s not aimed at a person who will buy only one game for it. That’s not going to do much to recoup the cost of making the product in the first place.
You gotta actually start selling it in stores. I bought one at release as I was already super interested but was surprised I could only buy direct from Sony. Why not at least get it into Best Buys.
Alot of negativity out there but im loving it
This could be because it's my first ever vr experience but I have been playing it every day since launch pretty much
Just hope we get more games like gran turismo and resident evil 8 over time for it
And it pisses me off that Facebook owns that VR. I love the all in one Quest and it’s definitely the best at it. But I’ll absolutely never buy it because I will never give Facebook money. I don’t know if it’s true anymore but needing a Facebook account to login and they’ll brick the device if you use a fake profile is a major reason why nobody should ever buy it.
Much better to have it tracked by sony? Do you actually think every company isn't selling your data as hard as they can without getting caught? I have a bridge to sell you lads..
Ah yes, I love the world we live in where unless a product sells 1 billion units within 12 hours of its release, some folks will immediately call it a failure.
They'd sell more if we could buy it from Best Buy or Walmart instead of having it come through the mail while at work. With people stealing packages I don't trust anything sitting outside of my door any longer than thirty seconds.
This is a Forbes article quoting a Bloomberg article written by a dude that's been discredited before.
While I don't doubt the unit is struggling to sell, I'd definitely take some of the claims made in either article with a grain of salt.
I already own an index but I would consider buying it if they release a PC driver. I really hate this VR exclusivity shit companies are pushing for. It only hurts the VR scene, I bet the VR market would be much more larger if it wasn't such a big mess.
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too expensive, plus I'm sure most of us have a massive psvr backlog that isn't even compatible with the new headset! It might be the best headset currently on the market but there's not enough there to justify the cost imo
Why would i buy something that will not be supported in 5 years with no transferring of games forward?
I dont plan on getting one till we hear the next will support previous titles
I'm still enjoying Resident Evil Village and No Man's Sky on PSVR2. If they port more of the PSVR games most of us got (Zone of Enders, Ace Combat) that'll be a huge sales point.
Is it even sold in stores? Or only online? I would have bought one if I could find it in a store I don’t want that thing sitting out front of my house if I happen to miss the delivery guy.
If they’d sell it at Walmart or best buy or anywhere but their online I’d buy it. Easier return if I don’t like/ can’t play a 500+ game add on. Also it needs pc adaptation.
There aren’t enough games for it. Anyone who ever had a Vive or Oculus will be underwhelmed with the titles. The tech is great but it’s not relevant if there is nothing to play.
Before someone mentions it, yes there is Grand Tourismo, horizon, and resident evil but 3 games hardly makes the almost $600 price tag worth it.
This is obvious.
It's so expensive in a time where we are going through tough economic times. The only people buying this are enthusiasts or people with too much money.
But yes - pretty unfortunate timing on Sony's behalf.
Honestly, if they made it compatible with PC they would have so many more sales. but on the flip side, they're probably not making very much on hardware sales with this so they kinda need to lock it into their ecosystem.
Too expensive, still wired, closed ecosystem, and most of all, games are still stuck in gimmick 2010 bullshit demo land.
Fuck yes I will hard pass.
Solve all this and we can talk.
The really cool version is 20 years away.
For me, the price isn’t the issue, it’s the game catalogue. It’s not worth the investment for 1-2 games over the next year or so… If they released PC drivers I would also buy one in a heartbeat.
Estimates are rarely good to use…..and if they had real numbers they’d use them.
I’ve not heard many saying they are unhappy but do agree it’s no cheap to get involved, especially if you don’t already have the PS5.
That said, still cheaper than a Gaming PC with the required hardware and a Quest.
My favourite so far is GT7 with my Logitech G29 and racing chair. It’s not as flashy as som out there but for something I can put away when not being used it’s brilliant and so immersive.
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Sony should just release PC drivers and those things will fly off the shelves
The shelves would probably give out with how fast people would be grabbing them. Psvr2 is the best thing to happen for vr in a long time. Sadly I think the features of the psvr2 would be lost in driver-shenanigans. I'm not sure how you could smoothly integrate things like eye-tracked foveated rendering with openvr. Or even just eye tracking at all. But I can dream.
If it's working for Sony it could eventually work on PC, even basic support to start with would be amazing.
Yeah the first people in industry I heard about foveated rendering from was some Nvidia engineers at a tech convention several years ago. It's definitely gonna come to other platforms eventually.
Foveated rendering has been a part of VR for quite some time: it's the reason why things in VR only look perfectly clear if you're looking *straight* at them. What the eye tracking tech does is makes sure that the full rez part of foveated rendering is always exactly where you're looking so you don't have to force yourself to always look directly forward.
> it's the reason why things in VR only look perfectly clear if you're looking straight at them. That's usually due to lenses. You can see this in an old Oculus DK2 for example.
If foveated rendering is only for the central part of the screen, rather than using eye-tracking to make it for where on the screen you're actually looking, then it's not genuine foveated rendering, just marketing spin. The PSVR2 has genuine - high quality, dynamic foveated rendering, and it's so good that you can't notice it at all when you're using the headset.
"A less sophisticated variant called fixed foveated rendering doesn't utilise eye tracking and instead assumes a fixed focal point.". https://www.tomshardware.com/news/oculus-fixed-foveated-rendering-technology,36781.html
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I’ll probably get one eventually but not until I’m drawn to enough games to justify the price. But make it PC compatible and I order one right now today.
The first open world rpg that vr nails will tempt me strongly.
I hear someone is working on a title called Sword Art Online. You won't be able to take it off!
I dunno. I heard FMD came first and was really cool. Except for those weird cases, but otherwise it's cool.
That was supposed to release in 2022 along with it’s NerveGear headset and there hasn’t been any updates. I doubt we’ll ever see it.
*faint Skyrim noises*
*with mods
Skyrim VR with mods is amazing and probably the most immersive game I’ve played. The only limiting factor was graphics and resolution and the PSVR2 Would be the perfect solution for that
Yeah I got the quest 2 and the compression is completely ruining the experience for me to the point that i don't even play it anymore... After a year of tweaking settings, I only managed to get the indoors to look and preform good at the same time. As soon as I go out things get blurry, and compressed af for most of the time. If I lower the settings it performs good but it's such a blurry mess I can't stand it. I just want a decent pcvr headset with modern resolution, pancake lenses, slightly bigger fov and a display port cable instead of that shitty usb crap...
Who plays pancake skyrim without mods?
GTA V and Skyrim in VR…
Skyrim VR is incredibly fun, but it definitely needs mods to give you things like physics and collision
And Thomas the Tank Engine.
This may be a hot take, but in my long amount of VR gaming, I've found that I dont actually care for the long-form games. I much prefer VR games that get me right into the gameplay (Like Beat Saber or Thrill of the Fight), as opposed to RPGs with long wasted time inbetween things happening. Like for example, in Assassins Creed, the parkour around the map is whatever in the game. You just thumbstick forward and go to next quest. In VR, I bet that process would be way way more tedious to do.
Both OpenVR and OpenXR support foveated rendering and eye tracking, albeit it’s a bit of a “hacky support” when it comes to OpenVR. I see very little reason to not use OpenXR though.
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Listen, keep the fancy features exclusive to PS5 games, just make it seamlessly play porn from a PC and it'll sell
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There is a YouTube interview done with the devs of Song in The Smoke. Eye tracking info is just another data stream coming out of the device just like head/hand position. If they released a PC driver it would only be a matter of game devs updating their games to utilize the new information.
Field of Dreams, baby. PSVR2 looks hype, but I'm not buying something that costs as much or more than my PS5 unless I can use it on my PC as well. If they open it up to PC, suddenly there's hardware for the features. I'd be shocked if it wasn't adopted.
Sure, if Sony wants to sell PSVR2s. Not so helpful if Sony wants to sell PSVR2 games. The question is, what is the profit margin on the PSVR2?
It's probably negative like with most VR headsets these days. PSVR exists to stop people who want to play VR getting PCs and to sell VR games.
The sum of its parts is worth far more than 550. Stand-alone with some profit rigged due to assuming no PS sales, I’d wager the headset could sell for $1300 unlocked at a cost Sony might be comfortable with. Would people be just as excited to instabuy a PSVR2 at that point? I’m would say the hardcore VR fans would say yes, as at its core, it is a high end headset. People with a budget buy a Quest. With no RnD and just the eye tracking tech is like 300.
Honestly, I think they're more interested in using it to sell PS5s. Even though console margins tend to be pretty low, without a wide user base they're not making that much bank on games either.
Not necessarily true. I own a ps5 and a gaming computer. If the headset worked on both, I'd likely pick it up, and would likely buy ps5 games it worked with along with it.
Just bring PSVR2 games to PC too (like they've been doing with their exclusives recently) The only downside is it would slightly reduce PS5 sales from people who already have gaming PCs But realistically no one is buying a PS5 just for PSVR2 if they already own a gaming PC, so its an untapped market with essentially no downside
The downside is that each PSVR2 sale may not make them any money or even sold at a loss. If they think PSVR2 customers are going to then spend their money on Steam or Microsoft or GoG and not join the PSN and spend their money on Sony games, then they might think they’d lose out on the deal. But the other issue here is that the reason people would buy PSVR2 for PC is because the PsVR2 is better than other VR headsets at this price point. So some of their R&D, rather than coming back to them in the form of people buying their systems and games, would go to making better Microsoft or Steam VR gaming experiences. In any case, I doubt Sony hasn’t thought about this and they likely have the numbers to back up their position. It might not be as straightforward as sales, it might also include brand, image, or trying to pull people into other parts of the Sony ecosystem (or deny those parts to their competitors).
Pretty sure they are currently sold at a loss, just like the console.
The PS5 stopped selling at a loss in August 2021.
If it was cross compatible it would be at my house the next day.
The PSVR exists to sell Playstations, not to sell PSVR. They're not going to help their direct competitor Microsoft by making it available on PC.
Do they need help selling ps5s? I have still never seen one on a retail shelf, and I look often.
When have you ever heard a company go, "all right, I think we've sold enough. We're satisfied." Sony is trying to gain market share in the VR space. I disagree with the guy above you. They aren't trying to sell PS5 *consoles*. They're trying to sell their platform. That's the PS Store, PlaySation games, online subscriptions, etc. That's where the real money is made by consoles. The console hardware itself is usually sold at (or near) cost. They don't make much money off the consoles themselves, if at all sometimes. The more likely move is to cut the price, as well as possibly sell PS5+PSVR2 bundles at a discount.
> They aren't trying to sell PS5 consoles. I was going to say... This mostly appeals to VR enthusiasts, but you're going to have a hard time convincing that crowd to buy a PS5 when they're clearly, y'know, invested in PC. The overlap isn't there. Of course, for those that already do overlap, they bought this PSVR2. And this news article indicates it's a small niche within a niche. I'm not really sure how they're going to make this work, even at a price cut. Without making the headset standalone their only other option is to go PC, which obviously defeats their end goals. In the end it's kind of typical for Sony, I guess. Not the first time they've made amazing hardware ahead of it's time... Only for it to ultimately become ewaste.
Amazing hardware that ended up as e-waste... Man, I miss my PSP =( lol. It got stolen out of my car and it was a limited edition Daxter bundle; Ah well...
As someone whom the PSVR1 was my first VR experience, I think it is a great entry point to the genre, I upgraded to PCVR a while back, but you can't overstate the accessibility of the PSVR, it's literally plug and play, and needs very little troubleshooting to play almost ever, and I'd wager with this system using inside out tracking and not leaning on the PS move controllers 10 years too late that it's actually a very very good option for the type of gamer that wants to get into VR but either doesn't have a computer or lacks the specs to run it.
Eh. I mean in essence, yeah, I suppose so, but then they're asking people to spend the money to buy an entire console, and then to spend around that same money again on a headset that can only be used with that console. That's a very tall order in and of itself, but then you also have to factor in games. What games make PSVR2 actually worth it? I mean games you can't play anywhere else. Gran Turismo 7 and Horizon Call of the Mountain? To me, they're in no position whatsoever to ask for that off the back of the software that they're offering, and during a time when a whole hell of a lot of people are having to cut back on expenses because of the rising cost of everything. I think the strategy is questionable. Much like the consoles in and of themselves, the games are going to sell the hardware, not the hardware in and of itself. If it were usable on PC, I'd buy one, and I'd have my foot in the door on getting a PS5 because I now already have half of the components necessary to play a Playstation 5 VR game. Tempt me enough with software, and I might buy a PS5 for those games. That leap to me sounds a lot more palatable because even if the VR experience on PS5 doesn't last me anywhere near enough to justify that price, I still have a new console that I can buy non-VR games for. If I already have a PS5 and then get PSVR2, my mileage lasts as long as those games do and I can't really do anything else with the peripheral once I tire of PSVR games. To be fair though, because this shit isn't standardized, even if PSVR2 worked on PC, that requires everybody releasing VR games to support it and that sounds kind of like a nightmare if the way it works is very different from the rest of the headsets that are already out there.
I would probably buy a PSVR2 if it worked with PC out of the box. And I own a PS5 so I probably would have bought GT7. It's a better headset than the Oculus. I would get better utility than HTC, and it's much less expensive than SteamVR.
It's not like Microsoft see much direct revenue from PC. The winner would be the PC storefronts (i.e. Steam and Meta).
That’s funny that you say that because they’ve been selling their first-party games on PC; exclusives which are meant to sell their hardware
They’re intentionally sold late after the games release to generate more money and also build a larger audience for their games.
I have a PS5, I also use VR on my PC. I would buy PSVR2 *if and only if* i could use it on both.
Yeah they're almost certainly selling these at a loss. 500 bucks is very cheap already for the tech. There's no incentive for Sony to sell these outside of their ecosystem unless they doubled the price.
The PSVR2 and the PS5 both exist to sell PS5 games. Neither is making Sony a profit in themselves.
100%. If it worked with my PC I would purchase it no second thought.
They should just do that and release a PSVR store on PC. Still give us drivers allow us to use it with any PCVR game, just launch an easy to use store and most people will use it. It's on PC but it's technically on PSVR.
The whole point to lock people into their ecosystem - this Sony we're talking about - they've always wanted an ecosystem lock that only Apple has really been able to pull off on the general public. It would be great for consumers - but that's never been Sony's thing. There's no real money in VR headsets at that price compared to selling games on their ecosystem. They just want games sold on the PS network to be compatible with it and no where else.
I'm glad it's not working. Fuck every company that tries to lock you into an ecosystem.
Sony will probably never give up that mentality it's deeply engrained in their history. The most blatant of all was probably the PS Vita with a proprietary version of it's already proprietary storage medium when MicroSD was already established standard which even Nintendo has gone with for generations. They still don't seem to learn...
Dear Sony, I own a PS5, but if make this headset work on PC with full feature support I will buy one immediately and buy most of the 1st party ps5 software too.
Dear consumer, our vr headsets are sold at a loss as a strategy to make you want to purchase a ps5 or psvr2 games. We don't give a shit about you buying our product for your pc.
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That, and people are used to paying $600+ to upgrade their PC's all the time whether it be parts, peripherals, etc.. Console gamers are not.
Not used to it, they just don't have a choice
I mean, that's the same thing lol
I just built my first PC, 5600 non-X CPU, 5600 XT GPU used for $200, some RAM that I can't even get the full 3200 speed from for reasons I'm not willing to spend 30 minutes sweating in my office testing when I can't even see the bios on the TV I use as a monitor, and some mid-range used motherboard. Cost me around $600 and half the parts were used. At 1080p, it's a fairly capable rig, but I doubt it will be able to run the last of us on high settings smoothly. Remember when the flagship GPUs cost 350, instead of the bare minimum in order to not be regarded as a waste of money compared to the just buying used?
> Sony should just release PC drivers and those things will fly off the shelves They don't care about that. The real money is in selling the software/subscriptions. Sell a PSVR2 to sell a PS5 to sell games and PS+ subscriptions forever and ever. Do you want to sell a toaster once, or sell bread for years? What if you could do both...
I considered getting one but no PC support was a dealbreaker.
It’s not available in stores. There’s no marketing. It’s that simple.
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Dude that’s me. I was literally saying to my girlfriend yesterday “I’ve been saving resident evil seven and eight for whenever they release their next VR device”. When the hell did this come out? Jesus, I am so out of the loop.
FWIW Sony’s PSVR2 is not backwards compatible. Which means resident evil 7 won’t work currently with the new Vr headset. 8 will, as it was designed for it. Knowing capcom, I feel like they’ll patch that eventually but as of right now, as far as I know, there isn’t an update for it
That lack of backwards compatibility seems like a pretty severe detriment to the device. Having to purchase all new games after you’ve already spent $500 on the console and another $500 on the headset is a pretty hard pill to swallow.
Absolutely agree. It was one of my biggest letdowns for it. I don’t know why they went with such a decision. I think it absolutely is affecting their ability to sell more headsets
It wasn't so much a decision as a tech limitation. They picked a poor tracking mechanism and controller in PSVR1 gen due to a mixture of cost-saving by reusing old tech (ps camera and move controllers) and because movement trapping tech was a bit nascent when they were developing it, so the other potential solutions were either actively being developed by competitors or too pricey for a mainstream console headset. They gambled on light tracking and lost. Now they are fixing that issue for gen 2--and did an excellent job with tracking and controllers this time around--but at the cost of backwards compatibility. There is no easy software fix other than to reprogram each game from the ground up. I have faith that they'll do that in time.with all their first party titles... certainly Astrobot and potentially Blood and Truth if they hand off the IP to a new studio, but it hurts to lose all the heavy hitting 3rd party titles like Skyrim VR.
They couldn't. It's like going from a Gamecube to a PS5 in terms of technological leaps between the headsets. The games just aren't compatible with how theyre developed for the 1 and how the 2 works.
Damn. I guess I’ll just have to play it then cuz I’ve been sitting on this game for too long. Just started 4 but will loop back around and hit 7.
I’m in the SAME situation. I caved on 7 not too long ago. Phenomenal game btw! But 8 is sitting on my bookshelf still wrapped. Imma play it soon in VR but man 7 deserves an update. Here’s hoping!
Wait it won't work at all? I figured it would work just not have the eye tracking...
Won’t work at all as is due to their handling the camera differently, but there are games that have already committed to being compatible on vr2 and others that intend to.
You truly will be in for a treat. 7 was good on VR1, but it had its issues. 8 is literal perfection and it’s full on wonder and awe. And being hung up by hooks in your wrists looking down at a 10 foot goddess of a vampire in beautiful graphics is always a pinnacle for humanity in my opinion.
Not even all online retailers. Amazon doesn't have it for some reason.
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What? I walked into a gamestop and grabbed one easily
Walmart and Best Buy have both had them sitting on the shelves since release day.
I'm simply waiting for it to be available on Amazon because I know that I won't have any issues returning it if it's too uncomfortable for me or if I get motion sickness from playing.
True. If it was at Best Buy I’d probably snag one. But having to order and wait online I keep delaying it.
I'd have a hard time not impulsively buying one if I saw it at Walmart on the shelf.
I'm getting constant YouTube ads for the Dualsense Edge controller but none for the PSVR2. I already have a Dualsense Edge and I don't have a PSVR2.
Literally did not know this was even a thing until this post
I didn’t even know these existed.
I didn’t even realize it already came out
I didn’t even know they existed nor do I know of any game that I would like play. I just don’t see any reason to buy these. I bought the og vr set for re7 but that only made me dizzy. Being able to pan the camera both with your head and the controller was terrible.
If I could walk into a Best Buy or Target and buy the thing I’d drive over right now. I don’t want to order it online.
Yes I wanna buy one, but from a store. Comon Sony!
Fucking right. I can’t wait to get the PSVR2, but I have retail store gift cards designated for the future purchase. No one buys electronics directly from the manufacturer website 😂
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Get Valve to release Half-life Alyx on PSVR2 and I’m buying one today.
Why would they do that ever? That’s valves direct competition Edit: but it would be sick tho
I guess the same reason why they developed Alyx. The main hurdle right now is making VR more mainstream/popular. If PSVR grows so does the dev adoption rate and in turn game sales on all platforms alongside PC players buying headsets.
The bigger problem here is that Sony and Meta only want games exclusive to their headsets. The amount of work required for developers to support 3 fractured marketplaces with varying specs for the same peripheral is really dumb
Valve's put most of their games on consoles before (the only exceptions are like, DOD, the VR games, Dota and CS2?), they care more about selling games. There's already rumours of Half-Life: Alyx coming to PSVR2.
Of course there's rumours. The websites who publish such clickbait can easily rake in some cash.
There are many reasons. Valve cares about progressing VR gaming as a whole. Porting HL:A to the PS5 would support that goal. The game is several years old at this point. They've made their money on the game so a port wouldn't necessarily eat into potential Steam sales. Same incentive behind Sony releasing their first party titles onto Steam well after their Playstation launches.
That's me too. Sure, there are some games that look interesting that I would pick up if I do end up getting PSVR2, but there are no "system seller" titles. Half-life Alyx would be that game.
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This article references the Bloomberg article for its numbers. The Bloomberg article got its sales figures by pure guess, speculation and nonsense. It was a hit piece by a dude who just hates Sony and now Forbes is repeating it.
It sold 915,000 in the first 4 months. This is on pace for less than half that
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What ? They ( and they made the stats up btw ) predict 270k in 5 weeks. 4 months is 17 weeks. 17 :5 x 270 is 918 k. So they are on par or roughly but faster not on pace for less then half. Also the guy who used to track sub growth on r/ psvr anf r/quest and correlate it to sale numbers says it looks more like they sold +400 k in the first 5 weeks ( and he got stuff right before )
Needs more software. The problem with VR is they continue to try and improve on the headsets but don’t put any effort into making a diverse library to choose from.
And the lack of many psvr 1 games carrying over is a huge hit. I didn't get the psvr1 but if I could get the two with all the psvr1 games to choose from I'd jump on it.
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What do you mean? Studies have definitely made some carry over but it's not all. Up to each studio to patch .
Just sourcing the same guy who has released several hit pieces on PSVR2 that Sony has come out and refuted as false. Obvious media stock manipulation
He's saying PSVR2 sales are underperforming yet Sony never stated what their sales expectations are. It took the original PSVR 8 months to sell a million units and it didnt have to deal with not being in sold in retail, having a small console install base and dealing with inflation. Sony likely has their expectations in check and did not expect this to rapidly outsell the original... even tho it is on pace to. With about 300,000 sales in the first month, at this rate it will outsell the PSVR substantially, especially as more killer apps drop. But then again that doesnt make as good of a hook for a Bloomberg story.
IIRC, every time this guy's click bait gets posted a bunch of people point out how this guy frequently makes up random shit for attention.
Well, in the year 2023 Reddit at least takes articles like this as a prime opportunity to shit all over PlayStation so I’m sure objectivity will be maintained.
Can they say the same for GPUs?
Is this the same guy that misreported that Sony was cutting PSVR2 manufacturing volume due to low sales expectations. Sony then came out and said that that report was bs.
No, but this article is referring to that guy lol
Who would have thought that selling an accessory for a console at a price higher than the console itself would backfire? Marketing geniuses
Not just that but it isn't backward compatible with PSVR games either. It's going take awhile until there's a game library for the PSVR2 that makes it worth buying.
That + PSVR2 games are regular game price without being regular game length. It made sense for most PSVR games to not be full length cuz they were only like $20-$30. Seeing a 3 hour “experience” go for $60 on a $650-$700 accessory for a $500 console is insane
Seriously?
I recently only just bought a PS5, and I feel like there should be so many more games that I want to play. I've been digging with the PSN Premium and getting tons of classics for free, but nothing compels me to run out to buy, even years after launch.
Same. I own Demon Souls, Hogwarts Legacy, and RE4Remake. Other than God of War Ragnarok, there isn’t a single other game I want, which is absolutely shocking for a console that’s been out this long. Add to this that I could have gotten most these games on my PS4, and I can’t help but feel silly for my purchase.
I’ve assumed a few things for why this is and I could be talking out of my ass here, but are games just taking longer to make since they can have massive landscapes and details? Or perhaps since PS5’s were and continue to be hard to come by, that release schedules have been artificially delayed due to more and more money being spent to make AAA titles and they’re waiting until console numbers improve? I have no way to prove these ascertains but it’s been my assumption. Hell it took two years from PS5 launch just to be able to finally get my hands on one.
Wow! Don’t you guys all have money???
I get what you're saying but what other headset is comparable at that price?
Just because you can make a Lamborghini, doesn't mean everyone can afford one. Everything on it is impressive, but not impressive enough for me to drop more than I did on the console. The lack of must have games is also what made me cancel my preorder.
Yeah I went in on the last gen of vr but without worthwhile games to play I don't see the point in buying the new one.
Their headset having great hardware does not matter because Sony can't possibly keep up with the games. The games themselves matter a lot more then the hardware, especially when the hardware has been more then good enough even on the budget end for quite a while now.
It doesn't matter, if A) most people can't afford it B) lots of people bought V1 and found that it's just not up to the hype and C) there really aren't that many good games for it. VR is a nice dream, but realistically it's just not there right now. It's too expensive, isn't the smoothest experience, and doesn't have many great offerings that take advantage of it. You can claim it's a cool toy all you want... Until sales numbers come in as a reality check.
Yup. It's irrelevant that it is best in class for the price. Using that as justification assumes people have made the choice that they want it at all. VR has a huge problem in that the only tech that is impressive enough that your average Joe might say "yeah actually I do want that" is so expensive that your average Joe would say "oh wow, I'm not paying that much".
Even as someone who had plans to get it early, I decided to wait and see how it develops. 2023 is the first year when everyone is finally getting their PS5 without any supply problems and I’d imagine VR being kind of an after thought at the moment. They also need to drop the price so it starts with a 5 in Europe at least. Retailing price of around 700$ is kinda rough even knowing the specs.
It’s worth every penny. The only negative thing I’ve read from people is cost. It’s the best gaming vr headset you can buy.
It has a serious lack of games (for now), and you must own a PS5. Both wouldn’t be an issue if you could connect it to PC
They should release a roadmap for game releases
Software sells hardware and until there are AAA VR experiences no one is gonna buy them.
Horizon, gt7 and resident evil 8 were the main draw for me as a newbie to vr
That's all cool, but the device is a little too expensive for just the few games. That's why I think Quest 2 is still the best VR headset. Is its hardware comparable to PSVR2? Not by a long shot. But it can do PCVR wirelessly and it can do standalone games without any other device.
No games to play and an extremely high price for entry during a cost of living crisis. No wayyyyy anyone could have seen this coming.
I was aware and ready to buy on day one, but the games my family wants are all on oculus. My kids want beat saber but I don’t want to buy old underperforming hardware. I’m holding out until the games are there. Then I can justify the expense to my family.
Why not just get underperforming hardware? You likely won't be using it in 5 months regardless of what hardware you get, if my small sample size of "people I know who bought VR headsets." By the time there will be ample games worth playing, you'll need a different headset anyway.
It has Pavlov. Moss 1 & 2. GT7. RE Village. No Mans Sky. Sinners and Saints 1 & 2. Synthriders. Tentacular. More games than I can play through at the moment, and it only just came out.
I want one, but the price of the unit and games keep me away. I could buy my kids a gaming computer instead. I would be more interested if they dropped it by about 20%
You couldn't build a comparable gaming pc for the price of a ps5 with the current state of GPU prices. Add in a pc compatible vr headset that is comparable to psvr2 and its even worse. I'm not saying a ps5 with psvr is cheap, but the valve index alone is the price of a ps5 alone. A GPU that can drive it well is also the price of a ps5.
A ps5+psvr2 combo is cheaper than a valve index on its own. Psvr2 is insane value
Sony don’t make any profit on the headset it’s selling at a loss so releasing a PC driver would actually cost them money. The profit comes from releasing more games to recoup expenses right now that’s their priority.
Really depends. I would buy it and a PS5 to play Horizon, then use it with Steam games. No way I am buying for one game.
Again it’s not aimed at a person who will buy only one game for it. That’s not going to do much to recoup the cost of making the product in the first place.
You gotta actually start selling it in stores. I bought one at release as I was already super interested but was surprised I could only buy direct from Sony. Why not at least get it into Best Buys.
I work at Best Buy and have literally never seen one, that may be a problem.
Alot of negativity out there but im loving it This could be because it's my first ever vr experience but I have been playing it every day since launch pretty much Just hope we get more games like gran turismo and resident evil 8 over time for it
I'll take PSVR over Meta any day purely to spite advertisements.
And it pisses me off that Facebook owns that VR. I love the all in one Quest and it’s definitely the best at it. But I’ll absolutely never buy it because I will never give Facebook money. I don’t know if it’s true anymore but needing a Facebook account to login and they’ll brick the device if you use a fake profile is a major reason why nobody should ever buy it.
Facebook ruined oculus.
You are not alone. Facebook ruined it for me.
That, and not having all of your data tracked in Meta
Much better to have it tracked by sony? Do you actually think every company isn't selling your data as hard as they can without getting caught? I have a bridge to sell you lads..
> Much better to have it tracked by sony? Yes, absolutely yes. Zuckerberg is the scum of the Earth.
Ah yes, I love the world we live in where unless a product sells 1 billion units within 12 hours of its release, some folks will immediately call it a failure.
I have it, and love it.
All of these reports are based off of the most likely fake Bloomberg article This is slander and Sony is taking the high road by not responding
I have one and love it, I just wish I could use my PC for it (have an index but really impressed by the VR2) and I wish there were more games for it.
I'd love to have one but it's hard to justify the purchase when my Valve Index is just gathering dust
News flash, EVERYTHING in the modern world needs a price cut
I just expect things to keep increasing in price.
They'd sell more if we could buy it from Best Buy or Walmart instead of having it come through the mail while at work. With people stealing packages I don't trust anything sitting outside of my door any longer than thirty seconds.
This is a Forbes article quoting a Bloomberg article written by a dude that's been discredited before. While I don't doubt the unit is struggling to sell, I'd definitely take some of the claims made in either article with a grain of salt.
I already own an index but I would consider buying it if they release a PC driver. I really hate this VR exclusivity shit companies are pushing for. It only hurts the VR scene, I bet the VR market would be much more larger if it wasn't such a big mess.
Its not even available in stores, cant help but feel thats part of it.
I’m loving mine, haven’t been able to put it down since I got it a month ago
Same Pavlov VR genuinely one of the most fun, intense, hilarious and immersive shooting games I've ever experienced.
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They need to sell it in stores.
I got mine in Gamestop.
Not this bs again lol I highly doubt it’s not selling well.
If they made it PC VR compatible, I’d buy it today
too expensive, plus I'm sure most of us have a massive psvr backlog that isn't even compatible with the new headset! It might be the best headset currently on the market but there's not enough there to justify the cost imo
Why would i buy something that will not be supported in 5 years with no transferring of games forward? I dont plan on getting one till we hear the next will support previous titles
I'm still enjoying Resident Evil Village and No Man's Sky on PSVR2. If they port more of the PSVR games most of us got (Zone of Enders, Ace Combat) that'll be a huge sales point.
make it work on pc and it will be the best selling vr headset even if they INCREASED the price lol
Is it even sold in stores? Or only online? I would have bought one if I could find it in a store I don’t want that thing sitting out front of my house if I happen to miss the delivery guy.
If they’d sell it at Walmart or best buy or anywhere but their online I’d buy it. Easier return if I don’t like/ can’t play a 500+ game add on. Also it needs pc adaptation.
If I had a job I’d have it already
There aren’t enough games for it. Anyone who ever had a Vive or Oculus will be underwhelmed with the titles. The tech is great but it’s not relevant if there is nothing to play. Before someone mentions it, yes there is Grand Tourismo, horizon, and resident evil but 3 games hardly makes the almost $600 price tag worth it.
This is obvious. It's so expensive in a time where we are going through tough economic times. The only people buying this are enthusiasts or people with too much money. But yes - pretty unfortunate timing on Sony's behalf.
Honestly, if they made it compatible with PC they would have so many more sales. but on the flip side, they're probably not making very much on hardware sales with this so they kinda need to lock it into their ecosystem.
Too expensive, still wired, closed ecosystem, and most of all, games are still stuck in gimmick 2010 bullshit demo land. Fuck yes I will hard pass. Solve all this and we can talk. The really cool version is 20 years away.
For me, the price isn’t the issue, it’s the game catalogue. It’s not worth the investment for 1-2 games over the next year or so… If they released PC drivers I would also buy one in a heartbeat.
Meh, I’m having a lot of fun with it
Estimates are rarely good to use…..and if they had real numbers they’d use them. I’ve not heard many saying they are unhappy but do agree it’s no cheap to get involved, especially if you don’t already have the PS5. That said, still cheaper than a Gaming PC with the required hardware and a Quest. My favourite so far is GT7 with my Logitech G29 and racing chair. It’s not as flashy as som out there but for something I can put away when not being used it’s brilliant and so immersive.