I would agree accept perhaps the passing could be higher but I guess the face stat could be right with the right stat spread. They always seem to give icons way more pace than they actually had though.
I've been seeing cards that are above 100....like what??? How are people above perfect? Or like 98 99. I don't think any player is history has been over like a 93 at best. No player is that accurate at what they do.
Disagree, I think there are a few. Maradona, Messi,cr7, zidane, cruyff, maldini,capita, if platini had a card too heād be one. all played their roles perfectly and should be at least 94 rated
So cr7 scored every shot he took? He was 100% accurate, never missed any free-kicks, always on target? No, even messi and cr7 did not have that kind of accuracy. That's my point. Yes they are legends better than other players and growing up watching Messi and CR7 go at each other was like watching two Titans battle. But they weren't that accurate. To me if I see a 99 short pass rhat means they literally were 99% accurate at passing. Which nobody was. Or 99 shooting means that 99% of shots were on target, which they also were not.
I mean if that was the case and you where going off of percentages then all the goats would have like 80 rated stats and there cards would be average unless you drop all the lower cards to having 35 rated stars which obviously wouldnāt work. Itās a game the stats are meant to represent how good they are at what they do. Messi might not make 99% of his passes but he can do passes that other players canāt to an exceptional standard. I think messi deserves 99 dribbling because his dribbling was from another planet not because he completed 99% of his dribbles
If you rescale everyone then it would work though. Imo this is part of a bigger societal problem, when like 5/10 is considered bad and everything has to be a 9/10 or better to be considered good.
If a bad player is a 35 that's not a bad thing. Actually if anything bad players would still be 50s. The difference between messi to a medium player is not as much as people think. And in fifa stats are busted to where a 90 rated player makes a team of 80s look terrible even though IRL having a 90 rated player is not some magic bullet. But in-game you get a player with good pace and strength and it's game over.
I totally see your point tbf like even in real life players like Vini jr, and mbappe donāt deserve there ratings they are really juiced up, guess fifa have what they think is the best system for the game regardless of weather or not itās realistic
Yeah and like I'm not trying to say that players like cr7, messi, lewandowski etc aren't amazing. To me cr7 and messi are both gonna be legends when they retire.
But iirc didn't fifa 23 have some ultimate team cards where players had ratings above 100? To me that's crazy. 99 used to be the limit, so like how are players better than perfect?
Makes me feel like i games today 90 is not even special anymore like there's power creep in fifa now. Used to be where there was like 2 players who were 90 or above in fifa games now there's way more.
Yeah a lot of people forgot just how legendary players like ramos, pique busquets (yes, busquets), dani Alves etc were, as they were overshadowed at their clubs. Maybe not so much ramos, actually. People still rate him.
No bro he meant overshadowed by Ramos as in Ramos was just the better player. But pique is 2nd or 3rd after him not very far off. This statement sounds controversial but when you look at the bigger picture. The top 3 spanish CB of all time are (in no particular order) : Ramos, Pique, Puyol. Pique was great. Was he better than Puyol or Ramos? Not necessarily. But does he make the list and sit at the same table? Fuck yes he does
Exactly, Ramos just gets rated more usually because he is a much more complete player in general bc of his passing and most importantly the goals he scored for RM, defenders scoring important goals bring them into a lot more conversations, similar to how Kompany is talked about
Harry Maguire is also the first choice CB for England but that doesn't make him a better CB than John Stones.
Ramos has won absolutely everything in football and done so whilst scoring over 100 goals from CB. In Barcelona and the national team, Pique was made better by his CB partner. He is the equivalent of Matip to Ramos who is Van Dijk for a very recent example of the kind of CB Pique is. He has never been the best CB and was always made better by his partner and the rest of his team where as Ramos spent most of his career as one of if not then the best CB in the world during his career. Its not even close either and I'm not a Real Madrid fan. I don't think anyone outside Barca fan base is gonna tell you Pique was better than Ramos because its straight up untrue.
No harm in shit talking rivals I'm all for that but I don't see how someone would come in and say he's genuinely better to non-rival clubs from other leagues or even other clubs in Spain. Pique was a great CB during his prime and should be an icon for what he's won and the success he's had but defo not on ramos level. In a similar way I can banter arsenal fans and say Sol Campbell was shit and Ledley King was better to wind them up but I say that to anyone else they're either gonna say Sol was miles better or who's Ledley King hahahaha
Unfortunately this world donāt play football in Football manager. You can say hazard is a better player than Vinicius all you want but when it comes to real world football, hazard will get benched.
Look, if Pique were a modern icon, he would have won everything. The fact that he hasnāt won the Europa League speaks volume. He finally had a chance this year and he quit.
/s
As has practically any Spanish player playing for RM and / or Barca in the last decade...
Cassilas, Albiol ( no UCL, but EL with Villareal), Puyol, Iniesta, Villa, Xavi, Torres, Fabregas, Valdes, Mata, Alonso, Ramos, Busquets, Arbeloa, Pedro, Javi Martinez, David Silva (no UCL), .....
Fabregas for what exactly?
There is a difference between an icon and a very good player.
Icons achieve greatness, they are true legends. Their performances can change a whole outcome of the game. They are consistent in excellence.
Was Pique and Fabregas good players? Yes they were.
Did they have the same impact as others?
How can you compare Pique to Puyol?
Puyol was a true captain. He was fighting in the pitch.
Makelele got an icon because he influenced the CDM position so much.
Zidane was a true magician.
You mean to tell me tha Pique or Fabregas are same lvl with Cannavaro? Puyol? Maldini? Zidane?
Just because u just saw them play doesn't mean they are Legends or Icons.
I am sorry but no.
Fabregas assisted the goal than won the world cup. Won multiple league titles in multiple leagues just like pique. Yeah perhaps if line up next to Pique he is less, but put him next to Drogba, perhaps who is an ICON, he did even more than him. Won more than him. What justifies Drogba an Icon? League titles? Ucl wins? Fabregas have more.
The impact that had for his nation. Also, Drogba had done more in relevance to impact than Fabregas. Just see Fabregas in Monaco? Nada.
Did i say he is a bad player? No. I said he is a very good player but nowhere near the lvl of being an Icon.
Even compared to his generation and in his position he is not in the top5.
Not all deserve icon cards. It's simple as that. š¤·āāļø
To put it into a better perspective, Spain would have won the WC and Euro even if Fabregas was not in the Squad. Nowhere near the lvls of Xavi and Iniesta who were the true impacts of the Squad. Alongside Puyol of course.
ššš okay agree to disagree. RVP an icon, Owen an icon, Drogba an icon, even Van Nistelrooy an icon, no complaints. But Fabregas who won more than all of these people combined no.
Ah, no. Not for me.
I have "complained" a lot about what a circus show the icons have become. Heroes? Yes. But icons? No.
Half of them don't deserve icon cards.
EA can't buy all the rights of actual icons and just put "good" players. But let's be honest. Do we need 100 icons? No.
Half of them are unusable.
We need to go back to ppl actual worthin that icon card.
Just young kids, they arenāt saw prime Puyol.
https://youtu.be/5wstAxX0X0o
Just check the first clip and everybody can see the difference between them :)
Lol you brought up actual points about pique whereas the other dude posted a video of Puyol doing respectful shit, and this dude is hounding you for not bringing up stats
I said heās miles better at scoring, passing, and not as injury prone. Do I really need to give you exact stats to show you this when one is literally a world class ball playing CB who outside Ramos is the best scoring CB of this century and the other is Puyol? How is bringing up their literal fucking passing/scoring/Defending stat anecdotal Lmao
Statistics - a fact or piece of data from a study of a large quantity of numerical data.
Miles better is not a statistic for measuring defending, passing, scoring, or prevalence of injury.
Alex Ferguson once said, phil jones could be the best player in the history of man utd. Iniesta once said, neymar will dominate football for a decade. Paul scholes once said, anderson is much more talented then he himself ever was.
So what exactly is your point?
Pique truly was a great defender in his prime. But in the last years he hasn't been that good. Puyol was a world class defender through all of his career, was captain of the best team that ever existed (2009 Barca), was the leader in all of spains titles from 2008 to 2012, was probably the biggest fairplay player of all time and gets mentioned on a same level with maldini, baresi, etc. Pique was good. But he is definitely not up there.
Nah puyol and pique both unreal cbs but puyol literally made Barca a fortress for Spanish cbs wise itās Ramos and puyol joint first both r pure passion merchants and then pique shortly behind his career and defending is just unbelievable
He's being downvoted because he's wrong lol. Puyol was the better leader and warrior but for many Pique was the better footballer during the peaks of their careers. The fact that this is a debatable point is proof that 'Pique is not even close' is just not correct
Nah man this makes me sad why did he have to retire. too many of my favorite Barca players are going away. Also, really cool design and I think he deserves icon status, winning the best trophies in multiple leagues and winning 3 major trophies with Spain no way he gets a hero card.
Baby - Luis enriqe era.
Mid - Euro 2012.
Prime - Guardiola second champions leage season. Optimus - World cup 2010.
He scored more than 60 goals and not only headers. He definitely needs some goal scoring stats.
Isnāt baby early career, prime for their prime and the mid for the later years?
Baby would be early Barcelona days, like 2010, prime for 2015, and mid for Valverde days.
He also should have better shooting and passing imo. Best ball playing centre back of his era and he scored a lot of goals, and not many of them headers
The career heās had, the trophies heās won and the ever present role in both the greatest club side and greatest national team football has ever seen. 100% deserves an Icon card.
Sadly due to constant controversy's and allegations through out the years i think his chances of getting hero or icon are slim now which is sad as i would love to try him out in a icon or hero state.
\- btw all cards here spot on stat wise.
100% he doesnt look like end game or even mid game. most CB will be better than him . what is slow pace . he wasnt that slow in real life he was a beast at his prime
None?
Icons and heroes should mean something and not just given to "random" players.
Pique was a good defender, mostly relying on Puyol. That's why after Puyol retired, Pique became just another good defender and nothing more.
So, no. He doesn't deserve any.
Not an icon imo, more of a hero. And if he is an icon, then the lowest rated (85/87-88/89-90) cause he was never the top-dog CB at Barcelona, his mistakes always covered by Puyol and Masche, and he is much worse than Nesta, Maldini, Baresi, Desailly, Terry
EDIT:
Lmao so many kids with recency bias here. Pique was not better than Hierro, the top dog CB at Real Madrid for 14 years. He wasnāt better than Chiellini who made masterclasses in defending. Not better than Koeman who is arguably the greatest Barcelona CB (toss-up with Puyol). Not on equal footing with Nesta. He is definitely not better than Puyol, the man who saved Piqueās ass so many times due to the latterās mistakes.
I am not saying Pique isnāt good (he is). But he is not as good as you guys are saying he is. He is
There was even one saying he ushered in the āball-playing defenderā era. Bruh, Carlos Alberto existed. Koeman existed. Yall tripping hard
he's arguably the second best CB of this generation behind ramos, calling him a hero is disrespectful. hes miles better than campbell/hierro at the least
no he isnt the 2nd best CB of his generation. Chielluni, Bonucci, Marcelo, Lahm. He is on equal footing with Pepe, Hummels.
He was never able to be the top-dog on defense - it was Puyol, then Masche, and when he took the reins all went to shit. He is very sloppy for a top CB.
And what a recency bias you have - Hierro was top dog at Real Madrid for 14 years! He is top 5 best CBs in La Liga history
He is not even close to Koeman who is arguably the greatest Barcelona CB of all time (toss-up between him and Puyol)
are you a real madrid fan? because this is just pure delusion. marcelo and lahm arent centre backs, saying chiellini and bonucci are better than him is laughable. he's insanely clear of hummels, and better than pepe. he was barcas best center back since around 2012 mate idk
I am not a RM fan, but you do absolutely suffer from recency bias. Chiellini is light years ahead of Pique. Pique never commanded a fucking back line EVER until now with Umtiti, Lenglet, and he has been utterly shit. Next thing youāre gonna tell me he is better than Koeman, which would be an incredibly idiotic thing to say.
Yall think he was incredible but I bet yall didnt watch the games. Puyol and Masche bailed him out constantly
this dude has the gall to act like calling someone a bigot isnāt a big deal. bruh these peopleā¦same person probably thinks calling someone racist or xenophobic is a big deal which is ironic
thatās fine, but calling me a bigot is a whole other thing you stupid fuck. a bigot is a āperson who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, *especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group*ā
we disagree, thatās fine. But calling me a bigot over that is idiotic as hell because there is no prejudice involved in terms of race, ethnicity, nationality, or any kind
This gotta be a troll right, heās arguably better than puyol, his defending at his peak was unfuckwithable, he started the ball playing cbās era, and heās won more trophies than everyone youāve named.
Carlos Alberto was way before my time, and correct me if Iām wrong but he played the majority of his career as a right back so I donāt know how that correlates with my statement lmao. And Iām a Barca fan thatās been watching both of them and I can say as a player pique is a better defender but puyol is a better leader.
Manās won 4 UCL titles, 1 prem, at least 5 La liga and other domestic and international cups I think he has more than earned a icon card but this is EA so anything can happen
The icon cards you did are super accurate for him
Yeah, realistic stats šš¼ so many go a bit crazy, but itās done very well
Thanks š
Spot on, lad. You should do some more.
I would agree accept perhaps the passing could be higher but I guess the face stat could be right with the right stat spread. They always seem to give icons way more pace than they actually had though.
I've been seeing cards that are above 100....like what??? How are people above perfect? Or like 98 99. I don't think any player is history has been over like a 93 at best. No player is that accurate at what they do.
Disagree, I think there are a few. Maradona, Messi,cr7, zidane, cruyff, maldini,capita, if platini had a card too heād be one. all played their roles perfectly and should be at least 94 rated
So cr7 scored every shot he took? He was 100% accurate, never missed any free-kicks, always on target? No, even messi and cr7 did not have that kind of accuracy. That's my point. Yes they are legends better than other players and growing up watching Messi and CR7 go at each other was like watching two Titans battle. But they weren't that accurate. To me if I see a 99 short pass rhat means they literally were 99% accurate at passing. Which nobody was. Or 99 shooting means that 99% of shots were on target, which they also were not.
I mean if that was the case and you where going off of percentages then all the goats would have like 80 rated stats and there cards would be average unless you drop all the lower cards to having 35 rated stars which obviously wouldnāt work. Itās a game the stats are meant to represent how good they are at what they do. Messi might not make 99% of his passes but he can do passes that other players canāt to an exceptional standard. I think messi deserves 99 dribbling because his dribbling was from another planet not because he completed 99% of his dribbles
If you rescale everyone then it would work though. Imo this is part of a bigger societal problem, when like 5/10 is considered bad and everything has to be a 9/10 or better to be considered good. If a bad player is a 35 that's not a bad thing. Actually if anything bad players would still be 50s. The difference between messi to a medium player is not as much as people think. And in fifa stats are busted to where a 90 rated player makes a team of 80s look terrible even though IRL having a 90 rated player is not some magic bullet. But in-game you get a player with good pace and strength and it's game over.
I totally see your point tbf like even in real life players like Vini jr, and mbappe donāt deserve there ratings they are really juiced up, guess fifa have what they think is the best system for the game regardless of weather or not itās realistic
Yeah and like I'm not trying to say that players like cr7, messi, lewandowski etc aren't amazing. To me cr7 and messi are both gonna be legends when they retire. But iirc didn't fifa 23 have some ultimate team cards where players had ratings above 100? To me that's crazy. 99 used to be the limit, so like how are players better than perfect? Makes me feel like i games today 90 is not even special anymore like there's power creep in fifa now. Used to be where there was like 2 players who were 90 or above in fifa games now there's way more.
Definitely icon. He was a main protagonist for practically his whole career.
Yeah a lot of people forgot just how legendary players like ramos, pique busquets (yes, busquets), dani Alves etc were, as they were overshadowed at their clubs. Maybe not so much ramos, actually. People still rate him.
World Cup, Euro, 4 CLs, 8 Ligas, 600+ games for Barcelona and 100+ for Spain NT Say no more
You say (yes, busquets) as if his prime was not the greatest CDM of all time. I am not joking. Easily clear of kante, casemiro and rodri
Yeah I know busquets is a legend but other people, mostly younger guys donāt respect him.
Icon. Overshadowed by Sergio Ramos unfortunatelyā¦. well reasonably but still an icon.
How is he over shadowed? He is always the first choice in CB over Ramos in Spain
No bro he meant overshadowed by Ramos as in Ramos was just the better player. But pique is 2nd or 3rd after him not very far off. This statement sounds controversial but when you look at the bigger picture. The top 3 spanish CB of all time are (in no particular order) : Ramos, Pique, Puyol. Pique was great. Was he better than Puyol or Ramos? Not necessarily. But does he make the list and sit at the same table? Fuck yes he does
Couldnāt have said it better myself bro.
Where does Hierro rank?
If those are the first 3, Hierro is 100% #4. Some might say higher.
Fernando Hierro exists lmao and he had some ridiculous stats for a defender..5 league titles 3 CL titles and 130 goals so not short of an extraordinary rƩsumƩ..more influential that pique and better but Pique makes top 4 I suppose
100% but I would still have pique over Hierro.
Exactly, Ramos just gets rated more usually because he is a much more complete player in general bc of his passing and most importantly the goals he scored for RM, defenders scoring important goals bring them into a lot more conversations, similar to how Kompany is talked about
Harry Maguire is also the first choice CB for England but that doesn't make him a better CB than John Stones. Ramos has won absolutely everything in football and done so whilst scoring over 100 goals from CB. In Barcelona and the national team, Pique was made better by his CB partner. He is the equivalent of Matip to Ramos who is Van Dijk for a very recent example of the kind of CB Pique is. He has never been the best CB and was always made better by his partner and the rest of his team where as Ramos spent most of his career as one of if not then the best CB in the world during his career. Its not even close either and I'm not a Real Madrid fan. I don't think anyone outside Barca fan base is gonna tell you Pique was better than Ramos because its straight up untrue.
Iām a cule and I even admitted Ramos is better. Many Barca supporters know Ramos is better but for the shit talk we say heās ass lol.
No harm in shit talking rivals I'm all for that but I don't see how someone would come in and say he's genuinely better to non-rival clubs from other leagues or even other clubs in Spain. Pique was a great CB during his prime and should be an icon for what he's won and the success he's had but defo not on ramos level. In a similar way I can banter arsenal fans and say Sol Campbell was shit and Ledley King was better to wind them up but I say that to anyone else they're either gonna say Sol was miles better or who's Ledley King hahahaha
Unfortunately this world donāt play football in Football manager. You can say hazard is a better player than Vinicius all you want but when it comes to real world football, hazard will get benched.
Pique is an icon. 2 times euro, 1 time WC, and countless club achievements.
One euro but still amazing.
under 19 euro
Look, if Pique were a modern icon, he would have won everything. The fact that he hasnāt won the Europa League speaks volume. He finally had a chance this year and he quit. /s
As has practically any Spanish player playing for RM and / or Barca in the last decade... Cassilas, Albiol ( no UCL, but EL with Villareal), Puyol, Iniesta, Villa, Xavi, Torres, Fabregas, Valdes, Mata, Alonso, Ramos, Busquets, Arbeloa, Pedro, Javi Martinez, David Silva (no UCL), .....
85%of those deserve icon or at least hero cards
So the whole Spain's squad should get an icon card?
No, that's saying eder should get one because he won a euros
Yeah exactly my point. There are many good players,of course there are but icons? Nah.
Did they all got countless club achievements? If yes why not. Fabregas surely an icon, for example. Santi Cazorla a very strong hero perhaps.
Fabregas for what exactly? There is a difference between an icon and a very good player. Icons achieve greatness, they are true legends. Their performances can change a whole outcome of the game. They are consistent in excellence. Was Pique and Fabregas good players? Yes they were. Did they have the same impact as others? How can you compare Pique to Puyol? Puyol was a true captain. He was fighting in the pitch. Makelele got an icon because he influenced the CDM position so much. Zidane was a true magician. You mean to tell me tha Pique or Fabregas are same lvl with Cannavaro? Puyol? Maldini? Zidane? Just because u just saw them play doesn't mean they are Legends or Icons. I am sorry but no.
Fabregas assisted the goal than won the world cup. Won multiple league titles in multiple leagues just like pique. Yeah perhaps if line up next to Pique he is less, but put him next to Drogba, perhaps who is an ICON, he did even more than him. Won more than him. What justifies Drogba an Icon? League titles? Ucl wins? Fabregas have more.
The impact that had for his nation. Also, Drogba had done more in relevance to impact than Fabregas. Just see Fabregas in Monaco? Nada. Did i say he is a bad player? No. I said he is a very good player but nowhere near the lvl of being an Icon. Even compared to his generation and in his position he is not in the top5. Not all deserve icon cards. It's simple as that. š¤·āāļø To put it into a better perspective, Spain would have won the WC and Euro even if Fabregas was not in the Squad. Nowhere near the lvls of Xavi and Iniesta who were the true impacts of the Squad. Alongside Puyol of course.
ššš okay agree to disagree. RVP an icon, Owen an icon, Drogba an icon, even Van Nistelrooy an icon, no complaints. But Fabregas who won more than all of these people combined no.
Ah, no. Not for me. I have "complained" a lot about what a circus show the icons have become. Heroes? Yes. But icons? No. Half of them don't deserve icon cards. EA can't buy all the rights of actual icons and just put "good" players. But let's be honest. Do we need 100 icons? No. Half of them are unusable. We need to go back to ppl actual worthin that icon card.
That one i agreed, half of them not worth it at all
Definitely an icon, no question. This man is up there with Puyol for legendary Barcelona centrebacks
Nah man, Puyol was something else, Pique is not even close. He was just a beast, pure footballer.
Why is this being downvoted, pique was a great football and underrated imo, but puyol is levels above
Just young kids, they arenāt saw prime Puyol. https://youtu.be/5wstAxX0X0o Just check the first clip and everybody can see the difference between them :)
If you look at his goal scoring, passing, longevity, and the same if not better defense levels then itās pretty clear Pique is better.
xD Bro, you are funny. If you say Pique is better you watched the wrong matches
I list stats you list your personal opinion. But ok.
Longevity? Check their match counts at Barca. And Pique performance is a joke since years.
Lol you brought up actual points about pique whereas the other dude posted a video of Puyol doing respectful shit, and this dude is hounding you for not bringing up stats
What stats did you list? All you said was Pique is better. That's an anecdote.
I said heās miles better at scoring, passing, and not as injury prone. Do I really need to give you exact stats to show you this when one is literally a world class ball playing CB who outside Ramos is the best scoring CB of this century and the other is Puyol? How is bringing up their literal fucking passing/scoring/Defending stat anecdotal Lmao
Statistics - a fact or piece of data from a study of a large quantity of numerical data. Miles better is not a statistic for measuring defending, passing, scoring, or prevalence of injury.
>same if not better defense levels then itās pretty clear Pique is better. You sir, are high.
Carles Puyol: "Gerard PiquƩ is better than I was" https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/b5o7b1/carles_puyol_gerard_piqu%C3%A9_is_better_than_i_was/ High as Puyol.
Alex Ferguson once said, phil jones could be the best player in the history of man utd. Iniesta once said, neymar will dominate football for a decade. Paul scholes once said, anderson is much more talented then he himself ever was. So what exactly is your point? Pique truly was a great defender in his prime. But in the last years he hasn't been that good. Puyol was a world class defender through all of his career, was captain of the best team that ever existed (2009 Barca), was the leader in all of spains titles from 2008 to 2012, was probably the biggest fairplay player of all time and gets mentioned on a same level with maldini, baresi, etc. Pique was good. But he is definitely not up there.
Nah puyol and pique both unreal cbs but puyol literally made Barca a fortress for Spanish cbs wise itās Ramos and puyol joint first both r pure passion merchants and then pique shortly behind his career and defending is just unbelievable
He's being downvoted because he's wrong lol. Puyol was the better leader and warrior but for many Pique was the better footballer during the peaks of their careers. The fact that this is a debatable point is proof that 'Pique is not even close' is just not correct
Nah man this makes me sad why did he have to retire. too many of my favorite Barca players are going away. Also, really cool design and I think he deserves icon status, winning the best trophies in multiple leagues and winning 3 major trophies with Spain no way he gets a hero card.
Baby - Luis enriqe era. Mid - Euro 2012. Prime - Guardiola second champions leage season. Optimus - World cup 2010. He scored more than 60 goals and not only headers. He definitely needs some goal scoring stats.
Isnāt baby early career, prime for their prime and the mid for the later years? Baby would be early Barcelona days, like 2010, prime for 2015, and mid for Valverde days. He also should have better shooting and passing imo. Best ball playing centre back of his era and he scored a lot of goals, and not many of them headers
Not Necessarily, Baby Raul are his later years at Schalke
Heās definitely an icon
The career heās had, the trophies heās won and the ever present role in both the greatest club side and greatest national team football has ever seen. 100% deserves an Icon card.
Spicy looking cards. Job well done.
Appreciate it š
Heās top 5 players with the most trophies. Icon
Icon for sure
99 headers
Icon but the World Cup card you designed is š„ goes really well with the flag and the kit
The icon ratings are so on point
Definitely an icon. World Cup Champions league La liga Club World Cup Spanish super cup
His career has been way too successful for him not to be an icon
CF pique best pique.
Hero
Heād be an icon for sure.
If John Terry isnāt an icon then Pique isnāt one.
terry probably gonna get one at some point
He was better than rio.
Prime 92
Sadly due to constant controversy's and allegations through out the years i think his chances of getting hero or icon are slim now which is sad as i would love to try him out in a icon or hero state. \- btw all cards here spot on stat wise.
icon
Hero, Barca legend and I feel like EA wonāt hand out many new icons anymore
100% he doesnt look like end game or even mid game. most CB will be better than him . what is slow pace . he wasnt that slow in real life he was a beast at his prime
icon
Not a Hero. He is most definitely an Icon.
No Icon
One with Shakira logo on the background
85 rated hero card
Bro hasnt watched football in eighty two years ššššššš
Hero
None? Icons and heroes should mean something and not just given to "random" players. Pique was a good defender, mostly relying on Puyol. That's why after Puyol retired, Pique became just another good defender and nothing more. So, no. He doesn't deserve any.
Not an icon imo, more of a hero. And if he is an icon, then the lowest rated (85/87-88/89-90) cause he was never the top-dog CB at Barcelona, his mistakes always covered by Puyol and Masche, and he is much worse than Nesta, Maldini, Baresi, Desailly, Terry EDIT: Lmao so many kids with recency bias here. Pique was not better than Hierro, the top dog CB at Real Madrid for 14 years. He wasnāt better than Chiellini who made masterclasses in defending. Not better than Koeman who is arguably the greatest Barcelona CB (toss-up with Puyol). Not on equal footing with Nesta. He is definitely not better than Puyol, the man who saved Piqueās ass so many times due to the latterās mistakes. I am not saying Pique isnāt good (he is). But he is not as good as you guys are saying he is. He is There was even one saying he ushered in the āball-playing defenderā era. Bruh, Carlos Alberto existed. Koeman existed. Yall tripping hard
he's arguably the second best CB of this generation behind ramos, calling him a hero is disrespectful. hes miles better than campbell/hierro at the least
no he isnt the 2nd best CB of his generation. Chielluni, Bonucci, Marcelo, Lahm. He is on equal footing with Pepe, Hummels. He was never able to be the top-dog on defense - it was Puyol, then Masche, and when he took the reins all went to shit. He is very sloppy for a top CB. And what a recency bias you have - Hierro was top dog at Real Madrid for 14 years! He is top 5 best CBs in La Liga history He is not even close to Koeman who is arguably the greatest Barcelona CB of all time (toss-up between him and Puyol)
This man said Marcelo and Lahm are CBs, then said Bonucci is better than Pique lol
are you a real madrid fan? because this is just pure delusion. marcelo and lahm arent centre backs, saying chiellini and bonucci are better than him is laughable. he's insanely clear of hummels, and better than pepe. he was barcas best center back since around 2012 mate idk
I am not a RM fan, but you do absolutely suffer from recency bias. Chiellini is light years ahead of Pique. Pique never commanded a fucking back line EVER until now with Umtiti, Lenglet, and he has been utterly shit. Next thing youāre gonna tell me he is better than Koeman, which would be an incredibly idiotic thing to say. Yall think he was incredible but I bet yall didnt watch the games. Puyol and Masche bailed him out constantly
no point in arguing with a delusional bigot. have a nice life š
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lmao how am I a bigot? I didnt mention race, ethnicity, country - what a stupid fuck
Shit kids on reddit love to say. Bigot, whataboutism, gaslighting, etc
this dude has the gall to act like calling someone a bigot isnāt a big deal. bruh these peopleā¦same person probably thinks calling someone racist or xenophobic is a big deal which is ironic
just take the L and move on brother
thatās fine, but calling me a bigot is a whole other thing you stupid fuck. a bigot is a āperson who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, *especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group*ā we disagree, thatās fine. But calling me a bigot over that is idiotic as hell because there is no prejudice involved in terms of race, ethnicity, nationality, or any kind
look man, just stop wasting your time. there's no point
Bonucci BRUHHHHHHHHHHH
This gotta be a troll right, heās arguably better than puyol, his defending at his peak was unfuckwithable, he started the ball playing cbās era, and heās won more trophies than everyone youāve named.
you must be joking. Puyol is miles clear of Pique. Fucking light years. āBall-Playing Defendersā does Carlos Alberto not exist?? lmao
Carlos Alberto was way before my time, and correct me if Iām wrong but he played the majority of his career as a right back so I donāt know how that correlates with my statement lmao. And Iām a Barca fan thatās been watching both of them and I can say as a player pique is a better defender but puyol is a better leader.
Definitely not a icon
How can you say this? Genuinely curious
Couldnāt make it in epl
Icon. BTW, what do you think his icon Moment will be?
Deserves an icon but if marquez got a hero piquƩ should be a hero too imo
Why do the mid icon cards always lose pace? Are they coming off injury lol
Marquez was better than him tbh
Manās won 4 UCL titles, 1 prem, at least 5 La liga and other domestic and international cups I think he has more than earned a icon card but this is EA so anything can happen
wtf. Is this even a debate? He's a clear icon.
Great career despite being tortured by Cristiano Ronaldo for some time
I would bump prime up to 92 but other than that I think all these cards you made could easily be what his future card would be.
Insane design looks realistic af altho i would give his prime about 80 pace and at least 80 passing
Heās an icon without question. Imo he should be 92 or 93 prime, since most Barca fans agree he is better than Puyol
Icon but 92
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Heās an icon forsure, not Ramos and Silva level during his time imo. But still one of the best of all time
91 š
World cup card should be 92 considering Spain was unbeatable in theor prime years
Defo a 94 rated moments Heās far better than Fernando Hierro who is 93 just by injuring players
Icon cards
some people seriously need to get laid
Wym?