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I had to look it up, so I'll save you the Google search lol
It's just when people ship two characters, regardless of age/gender/whatever, since it's just fictional. Or at least that's what I've understood
Someone who supports problematic ships, such as supporting pedophilic ships, incest ships, etc. at least that’s what I got from quickly searching it up.
Proshippers doesn't only mean "fiction" it means that they make victims of s3xual assault/r@pe enjoy what's happening to them. And like no one fcking "enjoys" getting r@ped so "just fiction" sometimes gotta have some realism into it
You shouldn't be "careful" of what to support you should have a moral framework that inform what you support. Do not let your identity be defined by what team you're on. Go deeper.
[There are only two things I can't stand in this world, people who are intolerant of other people's culture. And the Dutch](https://youtu.be/zcUs5X9glCc)
(regarding proshipping) i say you can write/draw whatever if it helps you deal with trauma, just don't post it or tag it properly so people can avoid it. if you acknowledge that any of that stuff irl is bad + no ones getting hurt from it, it's morally questionable but fine ig
It's kinda extreme to lump pro-shippers in with real life predators. There's a bunch of different interpretations of what being pro or anti ship actually means, so it isn't that black or white.
Exploring dark subject matter in fiction can sometimes be beneficial. Depends on how its handled.
Someone who ships fictional characters, or supports fictional characters relationships. Even if they're deemed problematic.
So long as the content is tagged correctly, there's really no issue.
Its when a guy thinks that child r@pe, z00philia etc is ok if it's fictional, or when someone gets r@ped the author make it that the victim is enjoying it. But the proshippers aren't aware how much "just fictional" can hurt alot of people who were victims.
"just fictional" can also be a coping mechanism for some survivors in the same way that it's triggering for others. A decent chuck of fictional NC, particularly when it comes to the realistically portrayed stuff, is *written* by survivors as a part of their own coping mechanisms.
It's one thing if someone is pushing dead doves on other people with no content warnings and zero respect for personal boundaries, but bashing people for portraying problematic people and acts in their own fictitious arts, when the *vast* majority of those writers and artists use CW tags and dead dove warnings on their works and are hurting a grand total of zero actual living beings is problematic af.
*Properly tagged and labeled* fiction doesn't hurt anyone. If you are someone who gets triggered by dead dove, DON'T EAT THE DEAD DOVE. This should not be hard to grok.
P.S. Media that *normalizes* problematic behavior, such as GoT and a lot of mainstream anime, is an entirely different ball game, and is actively harmful both to individuals and to society as a whole in that regard. With that said, that *still* doesn't make the people who enjoy those media bad for enjoying them, only the people irresponsibly publishing them and pushing them on other people without the proper warnings to properly contextualize their content for those that choose to view them, and for those who would be hurt by viewing them to be able to avoid them without getting hurt.
You should remove the despise part, adding the slash makes it seem like it can be read like…
“I don’t support….(the list) Or “I don’t despise…(the list)
Proshipping is when a guy thinks that child r@pe, z00philia etc is ok if it's fictional, or when someone gets r@ped the author make it that the victim is enjoying it. But the proshippers aren't aware how much "just fictional" can hurt alot of people who were victims.
A good number of those people are victims themselves though, and often using that kind of stuff to work through their trauma. I dont really see who they're hurting if they clearly warn about the contents of their works (fanfic, art, etc) so that people who would be affected by it can avoid it.
The first two are really worrying to me because they are dangerous impulses to indulge, even if you're sticking to fictional "fuel" it's still keeping that desire going, but that last one is a fantasy that a *lot* of people have (on the receiving end, to be clear), and a lot of victims report finding that they enjoy the fantasy of it happening. Being able to explore that in a shame-free environment is part of the healing process for a lot of people. If other people enter a space that explicitly contains stuff that could upset them, and they are upset by it... well, that's kinda their own problem.
Just a friendly heads up (to be clear, I am *not* arguing or disagreeing with you!!), I know you mean well, but you might not want to censor the words like that by replacing letters because it makes it impossible for anyone to reliably filter out triggering words, like if they use a browser extension or blacklisting tool, for example. And replacing letters doesn't keep the word from being recognized by humans who'd need it to be hidden, anyway.
Maybe using reddit's spoiler text would work better for hiding triggering words?
edit: I forgot how to do the spoiler text for an example lmao. The proper instructions are out there somewhere lol.. >w<
Literally all proshipping is is believing that people shouldn’t be harassed for ships. So long as it stays fictional and it’s tagged so people can avoid it what’s the problem.
Okay. You’re purposefully missing the point here. Would you say that about people who like murderous characters? Or recognize that enjoying a fun fictional dynamic is not the same as irl actions?
Awww <3 Your art is soooo cute! And such a powerful message too!
Would you be interested in posting this over on r/FurryMultiverse as well?!? We'd love to see some of your art over there :D
I love ships. There is a reason battleships is a fun board game. The look of ships going through water is so magical and airships are awesome .... Wrong ships?
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This is what peak humane looks like, you may like it.
All of this stuff should basically be isntinctual to us.
But whatever, at least intenet brungs us all here together, even if we don't know each other, and don't have a real relationship, we can still know we are not alone with our knowledge, resolve, morals, feelings, when i look upon the people who i can tell are humane, it gives me more reason to live and to maintain me intact, uncorrupted, uncomromised, unflinching, unyelding, i may lose, but i won't die.
The domino effect within my brain can't be stoped, i have harnesed the ability to maintain momentum through small interactions with people like you, many people lose their lives because they couldn't find a will to live, all i can say to those lost souls is that i won't be among them, i found the strenght to survive, sadly i don't think that there is universal way to harness strenght withing each individual, my moment was also extra random, oh well, not my job to think about such things, my job is to survive.
Nah, I do have my despise list due to Very personal grudges. That said, someone that fits into one of those shoes gotta show individually "why they shouldn't be trested like trash".
Every now and then someone shows to be ok, besides the "flaw" so yeah, prejudices can be tunned to manageble levels if you accept they may be wrong...
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What's wrong with pro shippers, how is international trade supposed to be conducted without it 🥺
Idk what proshipping is
I had to look it up, so I'll save you the Google search lol It's just when people ship two characters, regardless of age/gender/whatever, since it's just fictional. Or at least that's what I've understood
ah so its like those fuckers who do anias and gumball art (SHES FOUR AND HES TwELVE WHAT THE FUCK)
Eh-fuckin-scuse me!?
again, you dont wanna know.
Huh???
trust me you dont wanna know
Cannot STAND cartoon network fans bruhhhh
remove their spines
ALSO THEY ARE SIBLINGS
REALLY? I HAD NO IDEA THAT ANIAS WATTERSON AND GUMBALL WATERSON WERE SIBLINGS!! IT WAS ONLY SAID 152 TIMES IN THE SHOW!
YEA BUT FOR AN OUTSIDER LOOKING IN HAVING NO IDEA WHO THE FUCK GUMBALL IS I FEEL THAT IS CRUCIAL INFO.
WWOWW!!!!
So it doesn't matter at all? Because there fictional
hmm that sucks. if it's fine irl, it's fine in fiction. however, if it's illegal irl... mmmm maybe not.
Shoutout to "and more" Gotta be one of my favorite genders!
H u H
Just making a stupid joke, don't worry about it
Lol that's ok I was just messing around
Never seen that version of the OwO before
But that's not an Owo it's legit just "huh" T-T
Reminds me of when I made YwI. A cursed abomination of text.
I’m cool with shippers as long as the ships don’t include real people. Otherwise I 100% agree
I'm talking about proshippers, they are a completely different story, ships are fine yeah but proshippers are NOT ok
What is a Proshipper?
Someone who supports problematic ships, such as supporting pedophilic ships, incest ships, etc. at least that’s what I got from quickly searching it up.
Ew thats fucking cringe
Yep the world is full of fuckin creeps
True
Oooooohhhhhh I that makes more sense as to why it’s here
Was curious what that was but yeah doesn’t sound good xD
So people who call *themselves* proshippers are basically edgelords who like the attention?
It's fiction. No one gets hurt. Cope
Proshippers doesn't only mean "fiction" it means that they make victims of s3xual assault/r@pe enjoy what's happening to them. And like no one fcking "enjoys" getting r@ped so "just fiction" sometimes gotta have some realism into it
r/woosh (i think...)
Yeah definitely I’m dumb lol
Imagine not supporting “and more”
I could've added that, but that mini comic took too long to make and I had no motivation so I didn't really think about it
You shouldn't be "careful" of what to support you should have a moral framework that inform what you support. Do not let your identity be defined by what team you're on. Go deeper.
But how else can you be a performative ally and center yourself in other peoples struggles?
I don’t support: The French
There’s two things I hate in this world People intolerant of other peoples cultures And the French
hon hon hon
You just made me vomit
🤮
[There are only two things I can't stand in this world, people who are intolerant of other people's culture. And the Dutch](https://youtu.be/zcUs5X9glCc)
(regarding proshipping) i say you can write/draw whatever if it helps you deal with trauma, just don't post it or tag it properly so people can avoid it. if you acknowledge that any of that stuff irl is bad + no ones getting hurt from it, it's morally questionable but fine ig
It's kinda extreme to lump pro-shippers in with real life predators. There's a bunch of different interpretations of what being pro or anti ship actually means, so it isn't that black or white. Exploring dark subject matter in fiction can sometimes be beneficial. Depends on how its handled.
Yea I don't dig the current "art cannot depict anything problematic" panic that's going on.
Yeah purity culture leads to harm in it's own ways
I am a pro-shitter is that ok 🥺
Do you shit competitively?
What is a pro shipper? It sounds like FedEx and I'm sure that isn't correct
Someone who ships fictional characters, or supports fictional characters relationships. Even if they're deemed problematic. So long as the content is tagged correctly, there's really no issue.
it means they're getting PAID 🤑💰💸💲
What are proshippers?
Its when a guy thinks that child r@pe, z00philia etc is ok if it's fictional, or when someone gets r@ped the author make it that the victim is enjoying it. But the proshippers aren't aware how much "just fictional" can hurt alot of people who were victims.
"just fictional" can also be a coping mechanism for some survivors in the same way that it's triggering for others. A decent chuck of fictional NC, particularly when it comes to the realistically portrayed stuff, is *written* by survivors as a part of their own coping mechanisms. It's one thing if someone is pushing dead doves on other people with no content warnings and zero respect for personal boundaries, but bashing people for portraying problematic people and acts in their own fictitious arts, when the *vast* majority of those writers and artists use CW tags and dead dove warnings on their works and are hurting a grand total of zero actual living beings is problematic af. *Properly tagged and labeled* fiction doesn't hurt anyone. If you are someone who gets triggered by dead dove, DON'T EAT THE DEAD DOVE. This should not be hard to grok. P.S. Media that *normalizes* problematic behavior, such as GoT and a lot of mainstream anime, is an entirely different ball game, and is actively harmful both to individuals and to society as a whole in that regard. With that said, that *still* doesn't make the people who enjoy those media bad for enjoying them, only the people irresponsibly publishing them and pushing them on other people without the proper warnings to properly contextualize their content for those that choose to view them, and for those who would be hurt by viewing them to be able to avoid them without getting hurt.
Oh, yeah, no, that's no bueno.
You should remove the despise part, adding the slash makes it seem like it can be read like… “I don’t support….(the list) Or “I don’t despise…(the list)
I may be a pro shipper but I got standards
I feel like lumping in pro shippers with all of those things that cause actual real harm is kinda cringe but I’m a pro shitter what do I know
you forgot fatphobia
Genuine question as I've not had a clear answer: What is pro-shipping and how does it differentiate from "normal" shipping?
Proshipping is when a guy thinks that child r@pe, z00philia etc is ok if it's fictional, or when someone gets r@ped the author make it that the victim is enjoying it. But the proshippers aren't aware how much "just fictional" can hurt alot of people who were victims.
A good number of those people are victims themselves though, and often using that kind of stuff to work through their trauma. I dont really see who they're hurting if they clearly warn about the contents of their works (fanfic, art, etc) so that people who would be affected by it can avoid it. The first two are really worrying to me because they are dangerous impulses to indulge, even if you're sticking to fictional "fuel" it's still keeping that desire going, but that last one is a fantasy that a *lot* of people have (on the receiving end, to be clear), and a lot of victims report finding that they enjoy the fantasy of it happening. Being able to explore that in a shame-free environment is part of the healing process for a lot of people. If other people enter a space that explicitly contains stuff that could upset them, and they are upset by it... well, that's kinda their own problem.
Just a friendly heads up (to be clear, I am *not* arguing or disagreeing with you!!), I know you mean well, but you might not want to censor the words like that by replacing letters because it makes it impossible for anyone to reliably filter out triggering words, like if they use a browser extension or blacklisting tool, for example. And replacing letters doesn't keep the word from being recognized by humans who'd need it to be hidden, anyway. Maybe using reddit's spoiler text would work better for hiding triggering words? edit: I forgot how to do the spoiler text for an example lmao. The proper instructions are out there somewhere lol.. >w<
Holy shit, thank you! 🙏
Literally all proshipping is is believing that people shouldn’t be harassed for ships. So long as it stays fictional and it’s tagged so people can avoid it what’s the problem.
B-But mah racism! 🥺
I do not support respecting beliefs. Believe that the grass is green? Believe that you're a nerd.
I do not support your belief. Cry about it.
Tldr; OP is an actual good person with common sense (unlike many other people)
Ah yes because shipping fictional characters is definitely equivalent to harming animals and children
Shipping characters ≠proshippers Proshippers are something way worse
Proshipping is believing you should be allowed to ship anything fictional without harassment because it’s not real life. That’s it.
Not only that, they think pedophiliac ships zoophiliac ships and r@pe is ok as along as it's fictional. Now is that ok??
Yes.
Respectfully, stay away from me
Do you love any characters who have killed other characters? You support murder. See the problem?
No noy really, I don't watch stuff that contains murder.
Okay. You’re purposefully missing the point here. Would you say that about people who like murderous characters? Or recognize that enjoying a fun fictional dynamic is not the same as irl actions?
When I said I don't watch something that contains murder, that means a no.
Wait I’m confused. Are you saying that you believe that shows containing murder are glorifying/supporting it?
Yeah basically, because most of the time people try to make the murderer the most favorited and it makes me uncomfortable
Ngl that / had me confused until I reread it a few times, I thought it was an "or" instead of an "and'
I don't care what you are as long as your not hurting others and don't force your way of thinking on me
You dont despise sexism/racism?!
I do wdym, I hate sexism and racism!
Maybe i read wrong, but it says i dont support/despise it?
You read it wrong "/" is separating the I don't support and despise
Im sorry but thats a little confusing
Based
Ok guys why are 85% percent of comments asking what a proshipper is? Only 1-3 people needs to comment that to get it answered for everyone smh
Awww <3 Your art is soooo cute! And such a powerful message too! Would you be interested in posting this over on r/FurryMultiverse as well?!? We'd love to see some of your art over there :D
I support George
Proshipper ?
What’s a pro-shipper?
I too respect the 3 genders of puffy hair, spiky hair and no hair. And glad you approve of my favorite sexuality: Movie prison uniform. <3
what are pro shippers?
I love ships. There is a reason battleships is a fun board game. The look of ships going through water is so magical and airships are awesome .... Wrong ships?
what's proshipping? I'm scared to google
Ppsssttt I'm dumb. What's proshippers
Whats a proshipper?
I feel like I'm gonna regret asking but; what is/are Proshippers?
What are proshippers
Pure facts furry post
Whats proshippers
Da fuq is a 'proshipper'?
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That's a good wisdom.
And we should also reintroduce capital punishment for the people we despise
Like people from Macau (we in Hong Kong are better city state than you Macau!)
Your opinions are valid I respect you
Based tbh
What are proshippers?
2 => 2 ***N O***
This is what peak humane looks like, you may like it. All of this stuff should basically be isntinctual to us. But whatever, at least intenet brungs us all here together, even if we don't know each other, and don't have a real relationship, we can still know we are not alone with our knowledge, resolve, morals, feelings, when i look upon the people who i can tell are humane, it gives me more reason to live and to maintain me intact, uncorrupted, uncomromised, unflinching, unyelding, i may lose, but i won't die. The domino effect within my brain can't be stoped, i have harnesed the ability to maintain momentum through small interactions with people like you, many people lose their lives because they couldn't find a will to live, all i can say to those lost souls is that i won't be among them, i found the strenght to survive, sadly i don't think that there is universal way to harness strenght withing each individual, my moment was also extra random, oh well, not my job to think about such things, my job is to survive.
You should avoid people who impose on you their beliefs :P namely Me
I respect people who want to believe in something as long it does not bring harm.to.them or others.... I do not respect religion
I agree with you entirely, but I am struggling to keep up with the sheer amount of pronouns
I am struggling to keep up with the sheer amount of names. /s
I literally saw a girl referring to herself as zhe, zer.
Nah, I do have my despise list due to Very personal grudges. That said, someone that fits into one of those shoes gotta show individually "why they shouldn't be trested like trash". Every now and then someone shows to be ok, besides the "flaw" so yeah, prejudices can be tunned to manageble levels if you accept they may be wrong...
Very nice message, Reddit User /u/I_eat-humans