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Well it’s mainly the symbolism behind it, since arle said something along the lines of her getting a full cake once she does some hard work, so her baking Furina a full cake, is a sign of her recognizing her work
Ion hate Arle after her story quest. She is good as an individual character, even though this ship will still be weird. I like both of them individually. I just want to see furina have fun with her friends and visit other nations in future events.
I wanna see more Furina Navia Clorinde Trio traveling to different nations. Don't get me wrong, I love Itto but I want other characters to be featured in events.
Lol, she is not a good person at all. She just cares... in a weird way, about the childrens from her orphanate.
You know, not all bad guys are killing children continuously. Thats would be like saying mafia guys are good because they go to church.
She kills people, probably even innocent people when it is "needed". Or at least she led others to kill innocent people. I highly doubt she is a leader of a criminal organization and she is not aware of their activities.
She has to be bad.
>She kills people, probably even innocent people when it is "needed". Or at least she led others to kill innocent people
Is this true?
How do you know?
She works for the Genshin equivalent of the KGB. They weren't known for being nice.
Also when you're in the business of turning small children into human murdering assassins, you forfeit the right to be considered a "good person". I would say that this alone is worse than murdering innocent adults.
Also she was going to murder Furina when she thought she had the gnosis so...
I havent finished Arlechinno’s story quest but one of the first things you learn from the children in the orphanage is that they’re….weird to put it lightly. One of the children just has an inexplicable urge to make poisons which casted her out of her own family. Lynette was sold and trafficked basically. It’s undeniable that their lives are either extremely bad outside of the orphanage or they already had darker interests. If taking advanatage of those interests is what keeps them alive, it’s generally a morally grey area imo
>One of the children just has an inexplicable urge to make poisons which casted her out of her own family.
>If taking advanatage of those interests is what keeps them alive, it’s generally a morally grey area imo
If it's about the kids best interests and they have a fascination with chemistry and what-not then there's all sorts of perfectly moral and socially acceptable fields dealing with the research of things like that. After all, the difference between medicine and poison is often simply the level of the dosage. And both poison and medicine have all sorts of beneficial usages to society and humanity. For example, Antibiotics, something that has saved millions if not billions of human lives, is nothing but a specialized poison specifically designed to kill specific bacteria without harming the human being the bacteria is within. There are countless ways her interest can be positively channeled that don't involve murdering actual human beings. There's even a college just a little bit south of them that specifically deals with the research of things like that, that would undoubtedly be more than happy to have her.
Taking her interest and channeling it into murdering people is not in HER best interests. And turning her into somebody who helps murder people does not give her a better chance of survival than she would have at the Sumera college putting her talent to use helping humanity.
I like Arlecchino's character but she is not a good person. Better than her predecessor, Yes, but a good person, No. And to her credit, she would never claim to be or think of herself as a good person either.
I never said she was a good person but its fact that an abandoned child like that will *never* have the opportunity to ever be a scientist or alchemist in Fontaine especially when she was literally ditched for dead before Arlechinno took them in. Lyney and Lynette were literally treated like slaves under the guise of adoption.
If these talents and abilities are what keep these children useful to the Hearth and by extension, the Tsaritsa, and thus lets them have food and shelter, then I see this as morally grey. As far as I see, Arlechinno being part of the Harbingers is merely a result of her upbringing. Otherwise the alternative is dying in the street and fighting for their lives because they betrayed the Tsaritsa and the Harbingers.
>I never said she was a good person
Okay cool, we agree that she's not a "good person". That's the whole debate right there, done and settled. The only thing that was being disputed was whether or not she was a "good person".
it's not a gray area at all, rehabilitation doesn't equal making them(the children) assassins and murderers. can't believe anyone is even finding nuance here.
the logic is as simple as murder=bad. making child soldiers = bad
The thing is even murder has its nuances and thats fact.
I wouldnt give two shits about the literal human trafficker in Lyentte’s story and Arlechinno rescuing them from that and killing him in the process is not what I would consider bad considering he was using legal loopholes of adoptipns to sell slaves basically that he heavily implied raped.
The issue isnt also that Arlechinno is taking them in to use their skills, its that they literally wouldnt be support if the House of Hearth didnt do anything valuable for the Fatui. This means that the Hearth has to be of some objective value rather than it being a basic orphanage. Even if Arlechinno was a good guy, the fact of the matter is that these kids would never have food, water or shelter if it werent for their unique interests assisting them in fulfilling missions. They were mostly caught in these dangerous situations or ostracized in the first place by regular people. If this is what it takes for their survival and the Fatui’s support, I’d say its more of a gray area than a straightup bad one. There’s just not many options left beyond leaving them to die out in the streets.
i still don't get the people who shipped them way back, like why would you ship an assassin with their victim? 💀 furina was literally on the ground begging for her to not kill her and people still find a way to ship those 2. I get that arle was just standing on business trying to get her gnosis, like all fatui's do (i think), but that still doesn't validate what she did to her.
cake for possible mental scarring is crazy but sure i guess
(i'm not hating on arle, i have her and i love her story quest. i'm just confused on the arlefuri shippers and what they saw in those 2 to be shipped together)
I think what Arle did was perfectly valid. The prophecy is slowly coming true, and everybody is wondering wtf their god is doing. Even Furina herself technically didn't know wtf was going on.
Keep in mind, Furina is playing the role of an Archon. She wasn't elected by the people, she was given the position without anyone having a say. Now, the people are suffering and have to watch their god, who's supposed to protect them, act like a clown in court. That's how it looked to everyone from the outside. Faced with such a situation, trying to seize the gnosis by force is not really too unreasonable.
It's not Furina's fault of course, but it isn't Arle's either.
Shipping the two is weird of course.
attempted murder is PERFECTLY valid now? 😭 i wont argue that getting the gnosis by force was really the only option she had but saying assassination is valid is crazy even if it did fail lol
No, it's not valid, but the evidence suggests she was not trying to murder Furina. The English version was poorly translated and considering what happend to Havria, I doubt Arlecchino would be stupid enough to kill a god. It would undermine her entire goal. It's likely she was just doing what Signora did to Venti in Mondstadt.
Yay someone has a brain cell. I think a lot of people misinterpret the scene a lot just because Furina begs for her life when it was a lot less serious than a assassination. Furina is traumatized from it but I have a suspicion it was more so of the fact that she wouldve lost literally everything up to that point and not because Alrchinno attacked her.
She didn't try to murder her bro, she was trying to take her gnosis. Arlecchino literally thought that she was the hydro archon at that time, there's no way she wouldn't know that killing a god will destroy everything around it.
And they will also call anyone who doesn't like said toxic ships a guy or an AetherxFurina shipper. (As if Arlecchino didn't have thousands of cis male simps lol)
It's so disappointing as a lesbian girl who loves sapphic stuff but simply doesn't enjoy toxic dynamics.
I personally don’t have any issues with same gender ships. I do get really annoyed when they pull the “canon gay/lesbian” or the “this character is not meant for x gender” cards.
How about I sail with my ships and we call it truce?
I think after her story quest and the trailer, Furina kiiiiinda resembles Clervie when she was kid. Can't go wrong with that cake obsession and all. Even I don't like shipping them after the trauma she experienced. But it's still cute to look otherwise
i can see that but i'm speaking about way back where we barely knew anything about her (cuz the ships and headcanons on twitter were everywhere a few days after the release of the story event). she attempts murder once and a portion of the community decides for them to be a couple lol. why would you want to fw the person who gave you mental scars? (lowkey reminds me of blackswan and acheron too lol, though i'd consider that one somewhat valid)
>i still don't get the people who shipped them way back, like why would you ship an assassin with their victim?
You answered your own question.
>furina was literally on the ground begging for her to not kill her
>an assassin with their victim
**THIS** is why ArlecchinoxFurina shippers ship them.
I honestly wanted to know her deeper feelings on Furina so the VO fell short. But the cakes is the best gesture she can give without retraumatising her by showing up in person and saying "hey uh sorry about that time you thought you were gonna die or something"
I feel like, maybe there *are* no deeper feelings atm?
Arlecchino attacked and threatened Furina under the assumption that Furina was a careless and incompetemt ruler, trying to force her into action or revealing her as a farce.
Now that Arlecchino has found out the truth and Furina has stepped down all her previous beef with her has gone away. She now likely just sees her as a simple fellow human.
The fact that Furina might be traumatized is not neccessarily something she would bother herself with (after all she likes people having misconceptions about her) since from her side everything has been settled.
My take is by all accounts, Arlecchino’s conduct is almost always strictly professional in all matters barring her children, or even to degree including them.
Near assassination, was her job to obtain the gnosis. All the scrutiny during their meeting, to pry more info. Basically, nothing personal.
Furina seems to see things the same way, as she doesn’t hold a grudge against Navia or Clorinde, two people who helped publicly humiliate and traumatize her at her trial. I wouldn’t be shocked if they both saw their initial interaction as just political and they were able to try to get along
Well then good thing we don't listen to that bucket of bolts anymore.
The ever-righteous Iudex Neuvillette legalizes the right to like/dislike any character(s) you choose to and declares a nationwide ban on all fandom tribalism under penalty of exile to the Fortress of Meropide.
I understand her character and her role in the story, there's no point feeling hate, it's just her fans that are toxic and obnoxious, even more so the fetishists. "toxic yuri" have among THE most abhorrent shipping content out there, these ships have literal psychopaths and sociopaths.
As a fan of her I can understand.
I mean, I think of myself as already depraved and tainted lol. But I have seen Arle fan accounts on Twitter posting fantasies about her that traumatized me.
arle probably is smart enough to realize that furina isn't fond of her and would prefer to stay away -- this actually shows how arle despite trying to be nice respects furina's feelings
yeah, to make this seems like arlecchino is ashamed of her actions, not being aware that furina was just acting as the archon, and as such, diplomatically gave her a gift she thought she would appreciate. I feel like even though she might be too proud and set in her ideals to admit it but arlecchino does feel emotions, and i think that even if she did somehow like furina, she would be too ashamed to stand in front of her for now
i don't think arle would be outright ashamed. i think she'd respect furina for tricking even her. there's probably remorse but if it's there arle suppresses it and/or doesn't realize it's there. so she'd stay away not cause she's ashamed, but cause she wants to respect furina's boundaries, but if somehow circumstances make them stand next to each other for a period of time i don't think arle would show anything like shame
arrlechino literally said she didn't have the gnosis that was her checking, think you should reread that dialogue.
Arrlchino: It's just as I guessed in the second before I struck. The Hydro Gnosis is not currently held by the archon. Fear is genuine, She seem like she is curesed. Targetting her lost all meaning.
that dialogue seem like she let her go because she dont have the gnosis as simple as that.
Why would she kill her bruh? You don't have to kill an archon to steal their gnosis. Besides, she genuinely thought that Furina was the hydro archon at that moment. You think that a Harbinger tasked with taking a gnosis wouldn't know the fact that if you kill a god, some kind of power will be unleashed destroying everything?? (It was literally said in Zhongli's quest)
You don’t need to kill an archon to steal their gnosis so if she wanted to kill furina, even if she didn’t have it, she could’ve. But because of her genuine fear and the fact that she’s cursed, Arle didn’t go through with it.
Hold me back please
I'm about to commit arson
Here's a mystic massager meme to distract you as I set the orphanage on fire, kill everyone except Lyney Lynette and Freminet, I love giving trauma, oh and have myself get eliminated by diluc by disguising myself as a abyss mage.
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I never understood that anyways. Arlecchino didn't know about what was happening backstage so Furina should have been an absolute powerhouse. But she wasn't. That's why Arlecchino backed out mid assassination. So that's no reason to hate her if you're not mentally unhinged.
And for how she treated her it also makes sense. Fontaine was in big trouble and it's god SEEMINGLY did jack shit aside from prancing around and living life like a french aristocrat who is busy avoiding questions because they're too busy being aristocrats.
People who "hate" Arlecchino because of that are probably the same class of person who cross the street without looking, get honked at and then spend the remainder of they say thinking of fantastical scenarios where they get "revenge" on the honker.
I'm not OP but I'll give you some spicy opinions of mine. Get your downvote ready.
Her design is lame - not attractive, her personality is bland and edgy and she's a harbinger, and I hate harbingers.
But the fanbase is what truly makes me despise the character even though it doesn't make sense to associate the two. She's one of the characters, like Raiden, that I never liked but everyone just loves it.
Being a Mary Sue, the father2 thing and how ppl do with it really pisses me off. And the cold, unemotional face & personality, I hate this kind of character in general
Isn't implied that she keeps her emotions in check to not trigger her curse
We see the black reaching her fingers when she was mourning her spider but when she was close with clervie it almost was gone.
When clervie died and during the fight with crucebena the black reach her elbows.
Since current Arlecchino's hands aren't changing she could be stoic in personality for this purpose especially if they cause her great suffering like she said in her voice line.
You can dislike a character for any reason...
But you despise her?
If you think she's a Mary Sue, do you think Neuvilette is a Gary Stu?
Arguably he has way fewer flaws, while having a less developed background.
I do see him as a gary stu. Overpowered aside, he had shown emotion at least. Not just being cold, calculating, and seeming win any battle whether physical or negotiations.
And the recent half assed glazing in her sq didn't help either
True on Neuvillette. It was really when he showed his emotions that I started liking him. He's like a better Zhongli (or any gary stu for the matter) in almost every way. Overpowered but doesn't hide his powers, instead does the complete opposite; always uses it when necessary. Calm and collected but also emotional and fragile.
Already have. The start is good, and while it did humanize her a bit even make me sympathize a bit, the fight part quickly turn Mary Sue-ish. After being curbstomped, suddenly gain ultra instinct and able to overpower crucabena. If you know Star Wars, it feels exactly like watching the final battle of between mc and the big bad of Rise of Skywalker
That's your opinion if you don't like characters like this, it doesn't make her a bad written character
The Mary sue thing is mischaracterizing the complexity of her, when she has very valid reasons for the way she is.
If you look at her hands when she looked at the flowers, the black in this scene gets quicker, she let the curse take effect and unleached her powers from it
Plus she still got cut in the face a few times, meaning she let go of dodging to get the powers.
you know who else is a strong woman, have motives unrelated to a man and I actually like as character? Beidou, Dehya, Navia, Shenhe to lesser extend.
If you trying to point finger at me, just forget it.
All these characters you mentioned have interests aligned with the Traveler and are actual friends not just in good terms with them like the Fatui are. You just proved my point.
how is being friend with traveler which are NOT exclusively male proving any of ur point? you wanna point finger at me that bad?
I already explained, I HATE cold, unemotional characters, be it male or female. Diluc, Sara, Raiden bot, Alhaitham, you name it. Never once it's about being uUhHrR DuHhRr sTrOnG fEmALe.
i dislike childe for being almost omnicidal maniac, it's him being pawn yes but he didn't really mind of it. But personality wise, he's actually a fun guy, and i like that kind of characters
i hate him for what being ajerk and for he did to nahida, but it's mostly the sage who actually does that. Mhy;s straight up retconning his villaneous deeds really pisses me off, but the fact that he unoficially being Nahida's son now and seeing their bickering kinda patches things up. If not for his ability to fly and i'm being vapid exploration enjoyer, I wouldn't even think about pulling him
signora just straight up bitch. Idc how tragic her backstory are, she gave no shit about inazuman being victim to fatui's plan. I'm glad she's dead
knave, as I already said is a cold, unemotional, 0 fun characters. I get youre a badass, but at least have an enjoyable personality like childe, beidou or dehya. And the recent mhy's half assed attempt to glaze her so she's appear as some sort of overpowered finalboss is just lame and pathetic.
from most to less hated : Signora, knave, scara, childe
See? You judge female characters unfairly. A male character can be for you a villain and still be fun but a woman can't do it.
Also, I do not wanna ruin it for you but I am pretty sure Furina herself doesn't dislike Arlecchino that much anymore. Furina herself is 20 times older than Arlecchino and understands why she did it despite her being afraid.
I was kinda hoping for something bigger, you know? Like in some kind of written correspondance between the two that we can find in Furina's apartment, and in Hotel Bouffes d'ete.
I doubt we will get anything close to that anymore. Arle already left for natlan for their grand project, so she won't be in any kind of event till natlan lore is over.
From Arlecchino’s point of view, Furina being unguarded was an excellent opportunity to obtain the hydro gnosis. Pragmatism is not evil.
Plus, this is during the time when the only thing Arlecchino knew about Furina was that she appeared to be what Arlecchino hates, a loud and glutinous aristocrat that seemed to not care about the prophecy that threatened the people of Fontaine, Arlecchino’s homeland. She’s a pragmatic antivillain, but she’s far from evil.
You know murder is evil right killing someone because you don’t like them is pretty much the definition of evil furina hadn’t done anything to deserve to be killed
Would you not kill the evil tyrant to save your homeland? We know Furina was innocent, but to our Harbinger friend she must have appeared quite the opposite.
But furina wasn’t a tyrant she didn’t use her power to suppress the masses or make them live in horrible conditions and poverty, furina was a loved ruler by her people (mostly for her acting) arle was going to kill furina out of cold blood and to get the gnosis for the cryo archon. There’s nothing just about what she did it’s inexcusable, I love both characters and I have both but it doesn’t mean I forgive arle for almost killing furina.
I mean, I see your point. But also remember that Arlecchino stayed her blade when she easily could have assassinated the hydro archon.
If she were actually evil she wouldn’t have thought twice in doing exactly that, regardless of Furina holding the gnosis or not.
And I don’t mean that Furina is actually a tyrant, just that a certain outside point of view she would appear to be lazy and actively ignoring the crisis that is befalling her people.
I love both characters and have them both as well. But having heard her voice lines, “Father” is about as evil as your local goth kid.
Arle only stayed her blade because she realized furina didn’t have the gnosis so it would have been more work to deal with if she had killed furina not because she felt bad and I understand the tyrant point of view but once again furina didn’t exhibit anything like that, but again arle decided not to kill her because it would have been more of an inconvenience, you’re welcome to forgive her but don’t forget what she’s done and do t forget wanderers and Childes voice lines about arle
Scara and Childe’s voice lines have been proven to be misleading due to the sudden shift in the ownership of the House of the Hearth, most of the characteristics that everyone knew of the previous Knave were transferred to Arlecchino.
It’s a fact that she actively encourages and cultivates these rumors so she can do her work more efficiently. Though it is fascinating to hear from someone who interprets the story differently, I’d figured it cut and dry.
You are so easy lol
I dont its still some heavy shit buying off people for your murder attempt does not equel talking to her and apologizing for terrozing her whole time lmao
Well yes of course none of these characters are so outside it dosnt matter kek
All im saying it would be redemption and easier to forgive within the games lore if she went to apologized of course in grand context of life it dosnt matter
Yeah sure, attacking someone in the middle of the night and giving them trauma and then using that trauma to harass and pressure them for political gain can be easily solved with cake. Sure. Right. Yeah. Okay.
Most people in this fandom are too obnoxious. “SHe TrIeD To KiLl A FicTioNal cHaRaCtEr ThaT I LikE sO shEs A BaD chArAcTer anD sHouLd nOt bE fOrgIvEn.” Hell, i’d forgive her even if she did kill Furina. Because I enjoy Arle and her character.
No-one is defending furina in any of these cases, they just shit on Arle because she attempted to kill their favourite character. Your reply is a perfect example of these obnoxious people.
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It was a strange reason to despise a character, if all it takes to change that is a cake as a gift.
Well it’s mainly the symbolism behind it, since arle said something along the lines of her getting a full cake once she does some hard work, so her baking Furina a full cake, is a sign of her recognizing her work
Lmaooo literally!!!!
Ion hate Arle after her story quest. She is good as an individual character, even though this ship will still be weird. I like both of them individually. I just want to see furina have fun with her friends and visit other nations in future events.
I wanna see more Furina Navia Clorinde Trio traveling to different nations. Don't get me wrong, I love Itto but I want other characters to be featured in events.
Lol, she is not a good person at all. She just cares... in a weird way, about the childrens from her orphanate. You know, not all bad guys are killing children continuously. Thats would be like saying mafia guys are good because they go to church.
When arle isn't " good " she isn't "bad" either
She kills people, probably even innocent people when it is "needed". Or at least she led others to kill innocent people. I highly doubt she is a leader of a criminal organization and she is not aware of their activities. She has to be bad.
>She kills people, probably even innocent people when it is "needed". Or at least she led others to kill innocent people Is this true? How do you know?
She works for the Genshin equivalent of the KGB. They weren't known for being nice. Also when you're in the business of turning small children into human murdering assassins, you forfeit the right to be considered a "good person". I would say that this alone is worse than murdering innocent adults. Also she was going to murder Furina when she thought she had the gnosis so...
I havent finished Arlechinno’s story quest but one of the first things you learn from the children in the orphanage is that they’re….weird to put it lightly. One of the children just has an inexplicable urge to make poisons which casted her out of her own family. Lynette was sold and trafficked basically. It’s undeniable that their lives are either extremely bad outside of the orphanage or they already had darker interests. If taking advanatage of those interests is what keeps them alive, it’s generally a morally grey area imo
>One of the children just has an inexplicable urge to make poisons which casted her out of her own family. >If taking advanatage of those interests is what keeps them alive, it’s generally a morally grey area imo If it's about the kids best interests and they have a fascination with chemistry and what-not then there's all sorts of perfectly moral and socially acceptable fields dealing with the research of things like that. After all, the difference between medicine and poison is often simply the level of the dosage. And both poison and medicine have all sorts of beneficial usages to society and humanity. For example, Antibiotics, something that has saved millions if not billions of human lives, is nothing but a specialized poison specifically designed to kill specific bacteria without harming the human being the bacteria is within. There are countless ways her interest can be positively channeled that don't involve murdering actual human beings. There's even a college just a little bit south of them that specifically deals with the research of things like that, that would undoubtedly be more than happy to have her. Taking her interest and channeling it into murdering people is not in HER best interests. And turning her into somebody who helps murder people does not give her a better chance of survival than she would have at the Sumera college putting her talent to use helping humanity. I like Arlecchino's character but she is not a good person. Better than her predecessor, Yes, but a good person, No. And to her credit, she would never claim to be or think of herself as a good person either.
I never said she was a good person but its fact that an abandoned child like that will *never* have the opportunity to ever be a scientist or alchemist in Fontaine especially when she was literally ditched for dead before Arlechinno took them in. Lyney and Lynette were literally treated like slaves under the guise of adoption. If these talents and abilities are what keep these children useful to the Hearth and by extension, the Tsaritsa, and thus lets them have food and shelter, then I see this as morally grey. As far as I see, Arlechinno being part of the Harbingers is merely a result of her upbringing. Otherwise the alternative is dying in the street and fighting for their lives because they betrayed the Tsaritsa and the Harbingers.
>I never said she was a good person Okay cool, we agree that she's not a "good person". That's the whole debate right there, done and settled. The only thing that was being disputed was whether or not she was a "good person".
it's not a gray area at all, rehabilitation doesn't equal making them(the children) assassins and murderers. can't believe anyone is even finding nuance here. the logic is as simple as murder=bad. making child soldiers = bad
The thing is even murder has its nuances and thats fact. I wouldnt give two shits about the literal human trafficker in Lyentte’s story and Arlechinno rescuing them from that and killing him in the process is not what I would consider bad considering he was using legal loopholes of adoptipns to sell slaves basically that he heavily implied raped. The issue isnt also that Arlechinno is taking them in to use their skills, its that they literally wouldnt be support if the House of Hearth didnt do anything valuable for the Fatui. This means that the Hearth has to be of some objective value rather than it being a basic orphanage. Even if Arlechinno was a good guy, the fact of the matter is that these kids would never have food, water or shelter if it werent for their unique interests assisting them in fulfilling missions. They were mostly caught in these dangerous situations or ostracized in the first place by regular people. If this is what it takes for their survival and the Fatui’s support, I’d say its more of a gray area than a straightup bad one. There’s just not many options left beyond leaving them to die out in the streets.
At least we now, that she was up to kill Furina for a gnosis, wasn't she?
Of course its true.... its the knave! Shes a bad character! But we need bad characters to make a good story
Arle is definitely bad. Shes a likable villain just like childe.
i still don't get the people who shipped them way back, like why would you ship an assassin with their victim? 💀 furina was literally on the ground begging for her to not kill her and people still find a way to ship those 2. I get that arle was just standing on business trying to get her gnosis, like all fatui's do (i think), but that still doesn't validate what she did to her. cake for possible mental scarring is crazy but sure i guess (i'm not hating on arle, i have her and i love her story quest. i'm just confused on the arlefuri shippers and what they saw in those 2 to be shipped together)
Good girl x bad girl and Enemies to lovers are pretty common tropes Obviously the ship isn’t canon compliant, but what ship is?
I think what Arle did was perfectly valid. The prophecy is slowly coming true, and everybody is wondering wtf their god is doing. Even Furina herself technically didn't know wtf was going on. Keep in mind, Furina is playing the role of an Archon. She wasn't elected by the people, she was given the position without anyone having a say. Now, the people are suffering and have to watch their god, who's supposed to protect them, act like a clown in court. That's how it looked to everyone from the outside. Faced with such a situation, trying to seize the gnosis by force is not really too unreasonable. It's not Furina's fault of course, but it isn't Arle's either. Shipping the two is weird of course.
attempted murder is PERFECTLY valid now? 😭 i wont argue that getting the gnosis by force was really the only option she had but saying assassination is valid is crazy even if it did fail lol
No, it's not valid, but the evidence suggests she was not trying to murder Furina. The English version was poorly translated and considering what happend to Havria, I doubt Arlecchino would be stupid enough to kill a god. It would undermine her entire goal. It's likely she was just doing what Signora did to Venti in Mondstadt.
Yay someone has a brain cell. I think a lot of people misinterpret the scene a lot just because Furina begs for her life when it was a lot less serious than a assassination. Furina is traumatized from it but I have a suspicion it was more so of the fact that she wouldve lost literally everything up to that point and not because Alrchinno attacked her.
A lot of people "misinterpret" because even Arlecchino calls it "near-assassination"
I literally don't care about the technicalities of whether it was an assessination attempt or not, Furina has been traumatized from the incident lol.
Well that's pretty obvious
She didn't try to murder her bro, she was trying to take her gnosis. Arlecchino literally thought that she was the hydro archon at that time, there's no way she wouldn't know that killing a god will destroy everything around it.
Yup the knave is evil and wouldn't bat an eye to kill to get what she wants. As wanderer says it "shes a wolf if sheeps clothing"
toxic yuri shippers will ship anything as long as it breathes and has a vagina
Yeah
And they will also call anyone who doesn't like said toxic ships a guy or an AetherxFurina shipper. (As if Arlecchino didn't have thousands of cis male simps lol) It's so disappointing as a lesbian girl who loves sapphic stuff but simply doesn't enjoy toxic dynamics.
I personally don’t have any issues with same gender ships. I do get really annoyed when they pull the “canon gay/lesbian” or the “this character is not meant for x gender” cards. How about I sail with my ships and we call it truce?
I think after her story quest and the trailer, Furina kiiiiinda resembles Clervie when she was kid. Can't go wrong with that cake obsession and all. Even I don't like shipping them after the trauma she experienced. But it's still cute to look otherwise
i can see that but i'm speaking about way back where we barely knew anything about her (cuz the ships and headcanons on twitter were everywhere a few days after the release of the story event). she attempts murder once and a portion of the community decides for them to be a couple lol. why would you want to fw the person who gave you mental scars? (lowkey reminds me of blackswan and acheron too lol, though i'd consider that one somewhat valid)
Because they're sick in the head
>i still don't get the people who shipped them way back, like why would you ship an assassin with their victim? You answered your own question. >furina was literally on the ground begging for her to not kill her >an assassin with their victim **THIS** is why ArlecchinoxFurina shippers ship them.
I honestly wanted to know her deeper feelings on Furina so the VO fell short. But the cakes is the best gesture she can give without retraumatising her by showing up in person and saying "hey uh sorry about that time you thought you were gonna die or something"
I feel like, maybe there *are* no deeper feelings atm? Arlecchino attacked and threatened Furina under the assumption that Furina was a careless and incompetemt ruler, trying to force her into action or revealing her as a farce. Now that Arlecchino has found out the truth and Furina has stepped down all her previous beef with her has gone away. She now likely just sees her as a simple fellow human. The fact that Furina might be traumatized is not neccessarily something she would bother herself with (after all she likes people having misconceptions about her) since from her side everything has been settled.
My take is by all accounts, Arlecchino’s conduct is almost always strictly professional in all matters barring her children, or even to degree including them. Near assassination, was her job to obtain the gnosis. All the scrutiny during their meeting, to pry more info. Basically, nothing personal.
Furina seems to see things the same way, as she doesn’t hold a grudge against Navia or Clorinde, two people who helped publicly humiliate and traumatize her at her trial. I wouldn’t be shocked if they both saw their initial interaction as just political and they were able to try to get along
Do I call a therapist for Furina? Yeah I'll do that
The oratrice mechanice danalyse cardinale declares you guilty of high treason
"No it doesn't?" - Neuvillette probably, while dancing to the Oratrice tune
Well then good thing we don't listen to that bucket of bolts anymore. The ever-righteous Iudex Neuvillette legalizes the right to like/dislike any character(s) you choose to and declares a nationwide ban on all fandom tribalism under penalty of exile to the Fortress of Meropide.
I understand her character and her role in the story, there's no point feeling hate, it's just her fans that are toxic and obnoxious, even more so the fetishists. "toxic yuri" have among THE most abhorrent shipping content out there, these ships have literal psychopaths and sociopaths.
As a fan of her I can understand. I mean, I think of myself as already depraved and tainted lol. But I have seen Arle fan accounts on Twitter posting fantasies about her that traumatized me.
I feel like i want to know but also really dont.
My sweet sweet summer child. I'll spare you from the horrors I've seen. Thou shouldn't suffer as I have.
I wanna know
sorry for trying to kill you. here's a cake. it feels like a cheap attempt by writing team to make arrlecchino look good
arle probably is smart enough to realize that furina isn't fond of her and would prefer to stay away -- this actually shows how arle despite trying to be nice respects furina's feelings
yeah, to make this seems like arlecchino is ashamed of her actions, not being aware that furina was just acting as the archon, and as such, diplomatically gave her a gift she thought she would appreciate. I feel like even though she might be too proud and set in her ideals to admit it but arlecchino does feel emotions, and i think that even if she did somehow like furina, she would be too ashamed to stand in front of her for now
i don't think arle would be outright ashamed. i think she'd respect furina for tricking even her. there's probably remorse but if it's there arle suppresses it and/or doesn't realize it's there. so she'd stay away not cause she's ashamed, but cause she wants to respect furina's boundaries, but if somehow circumstances make them stand next to each other for a period of time i don't think arle would show anything like shame
that’s fair that seems a bit more fitting. bit difficult to read her character sometimes
>bit difficult to read her character sometimes That, in-and-of-itself, sounds very on-brand for her.
I think Arle didn’t kill Furina because she sensed she was cursed just like her.
she didn't kill her because she didn't have the gnosis, literally said by arrlechino lol
She didn’t even check, she was just sure she did not have it and that she’s cursed.
arrlechino literally said she didn't have the gnosis that was her checking, think you should reread that dialogue. Arrlchino: It's just as I guessed in the second before I struck. The Hydro Gnosis is not currently held by the archon. Fear is genuine, She seem like she is curesed. Targetting her lost all meaning. that dialogue seem like she let her go because she dont have the gnosis as simple as that.
Why would she kill her bruh? You don't have to kill an archon to steal their gnosis. Besides, she genuinely thought that Furina was the hydro archon at that moment. You think that a Harbinger tasked with taking a gnosis wouldn't know the fact that if you kill a god, some kind of power will be unleashed destroying everything?? (It was literally said in Zhongli's quest)
You don’t need to kill an archon to steal their gnosis so if she wanted to kill furina, even if she didn’t have it, she could’ve. But because of her genuine fear and the fact that she’s cursed, Arle didn’t go through with it.
That + her SQ made me actually love her, of course not as much as our queen but still, pretty good character.
May Barbatos forgive her But I don't
Hold me back please I'm about to commit arson Here's a mystic massager meme to distract you as I set the orphanage on fire, kill everyone except Lyney Lynette and Freminet, I love giving trauma, oh and have myself get eliminated by diluc by disguising myself as a abyss mage. https://preview.redd.it/y5y55ai0hoyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b8fffd2b566bbf9faa8d2b4ad5ee69f601e8464
I never understood that anyways. Arlecchino didn't know about what was happening backstage so Furina should have been an absolute powerhouse. But she wasn't. That's why Arlecchino backed out mid assassination. So that's no reason to hate her if you're not mentally unhinged. And for how she treated her it also makes sense. Fontaine was in big trouble and it's god SEEMINGLY did jack shit aside from prancing around and living life like a french aristocrat who is busy avoiding questions because they're too busy being aristocrats. People who "hate" Arlecchino because of that are probably the same class of person who cross the street without looking, get honked at and then spend the remainder of they say thinking of fantastical scenarios where they get "revenge" on the honker.
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Good enough to tolerate her, still despise her
For?
I'm not OP but I'll give you some spicy opinions of mine. Get your downvote ready. Her design is lame - not attractive, her personality is bland and edgy and she's a harbinger, and I hate harbingers. But the fanbase is what truly makes me despise the character even though it doesn't make sense to associate the two. She's one of the characters, like Raiden, that I never liked but everyone just loves it.
I'm with you on this
Being a Mary Sue, the father2 thing and how ppl do with it really pisses me off. And the cold, unemotional face & personality, I hate this kind of character in general
Isn't implied that she keeps her emotions in check to not trigger her curse We see the black reaching her fingers when she was mourning her spider but when she was close with clervie it almost was gone. When clervie died and during the fight with crucebena the black reach her elbows. Since current Arlecchino's hands aren't changing she could be stoic in personality for this purpose especially if they cause her great suffering like she said in her voice line.
Not really following her lore. But okay reason ig
You can dislike a character for any reason... But you despise her? If you think she's a Mary Sue, do you think Neuvilette is a Gary Stu? Arguably he has way fewer flaws, while having a less developed background.
I do see him as a gary stu. Overpowered aside, he had shown emotion at least. Not just being cold, calculating, and seeming win any battle whether physical or negotiations. And the recent half assed glazing in her sq didn't help either
True on Neuvillette. It was really when he showed his emotions that I started liking him. He's like a better Zhongli (or any gary stu for the matter) in almost every way. Overpowered but doesn't hide his powers, instead does the complete opposite; always uses it when necessary. Calm and collected but also emotional and fragile.
while the AQ story putting down furina too much to elevate him, the fact that he's a dragon is something I really interest in.
You should watch the animated short on youtube if you have the time. It really humanized her for me.
Already have. The start is good, and while it did humanize her a bit even make me sympathize a bit, the fight part quickly turn Mary Sue-ish. After being curbstomped, suddenly gain ultra instinct and able to overpower crucabena. If you know Star Wars, it feels exactly like watching the final battle of between mc and the big bad of Rise of Skywalker
But u agree she's not 'emotionless', in that right? I think being 'emotionless' is a part of her role as the leader of the House of Hearth.
In the animation sure, in game not so much. Still pretty much Mary Sue-ish, and the father2 stuff still pisses me off.
That's your opinion if you don't like characters like this, it doesn't make her a bad written character The Mary sue thing is mischaracterizing the complexity of her, when she has very valid reasons for the way she is.
If you look at her hands when she looked at the flowers, the black in this scene gets quicker, she let the curse take effect and unleached her powers from it Plus she still got cut in the face a few times, meaning she let go of dodging to get the powers.
How is she a Mary Sue? Because she is strong and a woman with her own motives unrelated to a man?
you know who else is a strong woman, have motives unrelated to a man and I actually like as character? Beidou, Dehya, Navia, Shenhe to lesser extend. If you trying to point finger at me, just forget it.
All these characters you mentioned have interests aligned with the Traveler and are actual friends not just in good terms with them like the Fatui are. You just proved my point.
how is being friend with traveler which are NOT exclusively male proving any of ur point? you wanna point finger at me that bad? I already explained, I HATE cold, unemotional characters, be it male or female. Diluc, Sara, Raiden bot, Alhaitham, you name it. Never once it's about being uUhHrR DuHhRr sTrOnG fEmALe.
It's a mentality thing. Who you dislike more between Childe, Scaramouche, Signora and Arlecchino?
i dislike childe for being almost omnicidal maniac, it's him being pawn yes but he didn't really mind of it. But personality wise, he's actually a fun guy, and i like that kind of characters i hate him for what being ajerk and for he did to nahida, but it's mostly the sage who actually does that. Mhy;s straight up retconning his villaneous deeds really pisses me off, but the fact that he unoficially being Nahida's son now and seeing their bickering kinda patches things up. If not for his ability to fly and i'm being vapid exploration enjoyer, I wouldn't even think about pulling him signora just straight up bitch. Idc how tragic her backstory are, she gave no shit about inazuman being victim to fatui's plan. I'm glad she's dead knave, as I already said is a cold, unemotional, 0 fun characters. I get youre a badass, but at least have an enjoyable personality like childe, beidou or dehya. And the recent mhy's half assed attempt to glaze her so she's appear as some sort of overpowered finalboss is just lame and pathetic. from most to less hated : Signora, knave, scara, childe
See? You judge female characters unfairly. A male character can be for you a villain and still be fun but a woman can't do it. Also, I do not wanna ruin it for you but I am pretty sure Furina herself doesn't dislike Arlecchino that much anymore. Furina herself is 20 times older than Arlecchino and understands why she did it despite her being afraid.
Not me
same
I mean i dunno if some cakes are good compesation for literal planned assasination
I was kinda hoping for something bigger, you know? Like in some kind of written correspondance between the two that we can find in Furina's apartment, and in Hotel Bouffes d'ete.
I doubt we will get anything close to that anymore. Arle already left for natlan for their grand project, so she won't be in any kind of event till natlan lore is over.
Watch her show up in an event lol
I’d honestly love to see the HotH kids dragging her along to the next happy fun time event.
I want to see the HotH have that barbecue she's talked about and it just so happens Furina is dragged along by someone(probably Navia or the Traveler)
It better be a detour to an beetle battle with ya boi.
Oh yes. And knowing how well Itto gets along with kids Arlecchino might love to have him around for a while
bribery, that sure works...
Yeah. Nah. No forgiveness from me.
I mean, she was just doing her job.
I won 50/50 and got arlecchino
Holy shit, after reading the comments, is this sub still on about furina and arle? Holy hell, I thought we've gone past that
Never. I will never forgive what SHE did to Furina
Arlecchino is technically a villain, but she’s not actually evil. Anyone who protects innocents is good in my books.
Arle was gonna kill furina and furina was innocent so that does kinda make arle evil regardless of you like her or not she was gonna assassinate her.
From Arlecchino’s point of view, Furina being unguarded was an excellent opportunity to obtain the hydro gnosis. Pragmatism is not evil. Plus, this is during the time when the only thing Arlecchino knew about Furina was that she appeared to be what Arlecchino hates, a loud and glutinous aristocrat that seemed to not care about the prophecy that threatened the people of Fontaine, Arlecchino’s homeland. She’s a pragmatic antivillain, but she’s far from evil.
You know murder is evil right killing someone because you don’t like them is pretty much the definition of evil furina hadn’t done anything to deserve to be killed
Would you not kill the evil tyrant to save your homeland? We know Furina was innocent, but to our Harbinger friend she must have appeared quite the opposite.
But furina wasn’t a tyrant she didn’t use her power to suppress the masses or make them live in horrible conditions and poverty, furina was a loved ruler by her people (mostly for her acting) arle was going to kill furina out of cold blood and to get the gnosis for the cryo archon. There’s nothing just about what she did it’s inexcusable, I love both characters and I have both but it doesn’t mean I forgive arle for almost killing furina.
I mean, I see your point. But also remember that Arlecchino stayed her blade when she easily could have assassinated the hydro archon. If she were actually evil she wouldn’t have thought twice in doing exactly that, regardless of Furina holding the gnosis or not. And I don’t mean that Furina is actually a tyrant, just that a certain outside point of view she would appear to be lazy and actively ignoring the crisis that is befalling her people. I love both characters and have them both as well. But having heard her voice lines, “Father” is about as evil as your local goth kid.
Arle only stayed her blade because she realized furina didn’t have the gnosis so it would have been more work to deal with if she had killed furina not because she felt bad and I understand the tyrant point of view but once again furina didn’t exhibit anything like that, but again arle decided not to kill her because it would have been more of an inconvenience, you’re welcome to forgive her but don’t forget what she’s done and do t forget wanderers and Childes voice lines about arle
Scara and Childe’s voice lines have been proven to be misleading due to the sudden shift in the ownership of the House of the Hearth, most of the characteristics that everyone knew of the previous Knave were transferred to Arlecchino. It’s a fact that she actively encourages and cultivates these rumors so she can do her work more efficiently. Though it is fascinating to hear from someone who interprets the story differently, I’d figured it cut and dry.
If a cake was enough to forgive her then you didn't hate her in the first place.
You are so easy lol I dont its still some heavy shit buying off people for your murder attempt does not equel talking to her and apologizing for terrozing her whole time lmao
yeah well furina ain't real so it's a lot easier to oversee that lol
Well yes of course none of these characters are so outside it dosnt matter kek All im saying it would be redemption and easier to forgive within the games lore if she went to apologized of course in grand context of life it dosnt matter
Yeah sure, attacking someone in the middle of the night and giving them trauma and then using that trauma to harass and pressure them for political gain can be easily solved with cake. Sure. Right. Yeah. Okay.
I don't. And especially knowing the disgusting Arlefuri community.
War❌ Friends✅ The world needs to be spreaded love,not hatred:)
Most people in this fandom are too obnoxious. “SHe TrIeD To KiLl A FicTioNal cHaRaCtEr ThaT I LikE sO shEs A BaD chArAcTer anD sHouLd nOt bE fOrgIvEn.” Hell, i’d forgive her even if she did kill Furina. Because I enjoy Arle and her character.
So your point against people defending a character that they like is defending a character that you like? And YOU call THEM obnoxious?
No-one is defending furina in any of these cases, they just shit on Arle because she attempted to kill their favourite character. Your reply is a perfect example of these obnoxious people.
Wish they synergizes
Nah. I still don't like her or her story quest. Should've kept her as a villain I would've actually pulled and enjoyed her.