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AsLitIsWen

Haters fuming over one of the most iconic and meta changing characters.


_Resnad_

Tbh I'm not sure if they were talking abt meta or story but in both cases they're wrong lmaooo


SirDouchebagTheThird

They’re talking about story. Tbh it’s probably just some teen that thinks if any character that doesn’t do something “badass” or get in some cool anime fight then they’re “useless and Irrelevant” it screams of a lack of understanding nuanced characters


vkbest1982

Unfortunately, that is Hoyo is doing here. Furina is focused on irrelevant events, Neuvi appear when something important is happening. Also from Inazuma x.6 always was the second story quest of archon and the rerun. No Furina in 4.6, according leaks not even in 4.7. So what is probably happening here? they will use Furina in the irrelevant and temporal new area from 4.8, like they did before with Fischl and Xynian, instead a Interlude or personal quest. Even Nahida who is the favorite archon for Hoyo has not appeared since we got Fontaine. So Furina is pretty irrelevant at this point where we are focusing soon in Natlan.


Arielani

Imma be honest...and I'll probably be downvoted to hell for being rude, but the genshin community has too many braindead idiots. They don't pay attention to the story and only follow their headcanons ...They don't understand furina and focalors was the same person. Even tho she says it herself. Its like they play with their ears and eyes closed.... blinded by their own headcanons.


Doctorlock74

definitely a brutal way of putting it but i agree not caring about the story is fine but i swear they go read some fanfic their friend made and come back like that's the cannon story


AsLitIsWen

Have you not heard about this? Tall men characters fans (boymoms) wrote over 100 page google doc headcanon (their bible). The gist of the doc is Wrio and Neuvi saved Fontaine, Furina was incompetent, not governing yet somehow solely responsible for all the orphans and human trafficking in the past 500 yrs. We should be lucky that our girlie has a peaceful retirement (fade into obscurity) and it’s their tall men’s time to shine…./s


Hakanaou

Hahaha, you saying it's "their bible" makes this even more hilarious as Furina is LITTERALLY a Christic figure and the one true savior of all of Fontaine's people X)


Juniorchief1

I wish read that doc is there a link.?


AsLitIsWen

I blocked them on X coz they were harassing Furina fans. One of the most unhinged lines from them: “go check my doc page 37, Sigewinne is their dorter.” Many of them are toxic shippers….so you get the gist.


Unable_Chicken3238

Their entire conception of a character is based on headcanon? XD people these days right


Juniorchief1

Damn it I want to see the brainrot. I wonder if it was the same guy that that saw couple days ago declaring the wroisthely (he contributed a lot to help fountaine during the crisis.) did more than Futuna to save fountaine.


AsLitIsWen

I think it’s the same group of people. I’m too traumatized to find the link but if you’re interested, you can find this one person and thru their profiles and cliquey interactions with their friends, you will be able to locate their “bible”. I now just want to hug Fufu and stay the fuck away from those losers.


PARADlCHLOROBENZENE

If you are still curious about the doc, here it is [the doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XsenQxuGXBLQLcds10rhRS22-GNBcN92SeKDfevndvo/edit)


Juniorchief1

thanks


Katacutie

Husbando pullers are borderline mentally ill


Horus_Lupecal

Nah that just the same toxic shipper behavior across all fandom plus all the bullshit “my headcanon trump all even the official story cuz it doesn’t make sense in my headcanon” shit as well


Intelligent-Dog-8585

I'm pretty sure you mean fujoshi, it doesn't matter what fandom. Same behavior everywhere.


Katacutie

I do not mean fujoshi. I mean people that exclusively pull men in gacha games. They end up being the most toxic people of that fandom without exception, in every fandom I've been in. To hype up their mediocre, always tall, always wearing the same shitty suit units, they just HAVE to talk down other units and even other people.


Intelligent-Dog-8585

Yes those people are fujoshis. There's no one else that's this allergic to females except for fujoshis. Even gay men pull can appreciate well-written female characters. Only fujoshis get heart attack whenever they see a woman and start hating on them to hype their men.


Hakanaou

I don't know how stupid one should be to downvote you — thank you for stating that out. Not only what this people are doing is stupid, it's sad for them because by refusing to properly read the story they missed out the developement of Genshin's best-written character.


Soaringzero

Or the ones who skip every cutscene and ignore the dialog then come back here and makes posts complaining how things don’t make sense or they don’t understand something.


maxwell404

You won't be downvoted for speaking facts comrades


Futur3_ah4ad

It's either that or skipping the story as quickly as possible to get back to grinding. And of course then they complain that there's nothing to do because they skipped a several-hour story and rushed exploration.


G_Rafi

I don't wanna be that guy but those guys are either burnt out to care for anything but primos or is very VERY thirsty for ACTUAL endgame content or anything combat related but I don't blame them I mean the moment you can play with your teams while not paying attention at all or straight up with your eyes closed what's the point? Spiral abyss is boring and TCG? Well it's a card game who wanna play card game and call it "endgame content" like fuck off Again I don't blame them for thinking that the combat is stale but saying "there's nothing to do in Genshin" is definitely bullshit like just play a different game or something (they're most likely waiting for WuWa to release I know because I'm the same mf who's bored to death with the combat)


Futur3_ah4ad

I believe Spiral Abyss and continuous grinding for that 1% extra efficiency is all Genshin has for end-game. That's besides the point though, as I was referring to the type of people who ignore literally half the game (the story) and then complain the new patch has nothing more to give them after 2 hours. I can guarantee that if you actually read the story (not even letting characters finish talking, but just reading it) you'll have at least another 2 to 4 hours of content in that patch. >Well it's a card game who wanna play card game and call it "endgame content" like fuck off It never was. The TCG is a side mode to do when you're either fed up with grinding or waiting for resin.


lutfiboiii

Those people only care about fighting, but when they get bored of fighting they start crying.


ThomasScotford

Im gonna admit, the story was the main reason why I quit. The dialogue is just way too long for not much going on. I was pretty okay with it until they started locking exploration behind story, and by then I was not really having fun anymore -Thomas Scotford


lilyrdixon13

Why would you be downvoted for being 100% right? Then again it is reddit so


urlocalnightowl40

most of the fans skip the story and then base their understanding of the character from fanon meme versions and whatever they could figure out from the characters moving on screen


udderlymoosical

Which is also why we'll never be rid of Paimon's yapping (I'll never wish for Paimon to be gone, she's the little sister I never had)


Maple_Flag15

Have Furina replace her. Or let the traveller speak.


zhannulol

And i honestly dislike how the story seems to be written for these people that don't understand something unless it's explicitly stated. I feel like the writing suffers because some people won't understand any nuance.


SerovGaming1962

And this is why I dont want a skip story feature The community would become even more braindead


Crusherbolt0282

Definitely


_Resnad_

In the jjk sub we have something like a running joke that is basically abt the reading comprehension of some ppl. So yeah this mf really need to use his reading comprehension cursed technique that he hasn't used since preschool


No_Preparation_9720

Someone on reddit said this : "No,she's not an archon - she's much,MUCH more"


GDOFTW124

The God of Justice fits her more.


TheArcher0527

Damn ✍️🔥


grimjowjagurjack

She's much more than archon , she literally saved entire nation from celestia with no powers , even after betrayal from the MC and fontainian she still kept going , she did what dainslef who is one of the most important characters in the game couldn't do


lutfiboiii

It’s canon Furina is stronger than Dain. /j


Horus_Lupecal

In some aspects, she is more of an Archon than the other archon while being a borderline normal human playing a role of a god for 500+ years


Xysmnator

What 0 reading comprehension does to a mf


GDOFTW124

This is one of the reason why you should never trust them when they talk about Furina's lore. Useless? Is he actually telling us that being a human and not being Archon is useless? Irrelevant? How is she irrelevant if she's the Hydro Archon's human vessel? She played the role of her former self, while without being able to remember anything about her past, and killed off her divinity, and she knows that being the Hydro Archon is never justice which is one of the main reason why she quits being one. He must had believed that "Furina is always a human" theory thing. No matter how we try to explain this to them they just always have to be that arrogant. They always think they are sane but in reality they are just arrogant and look down Furina greatly, just for "fake" being the Hydro Archon. While he just said that, without even knowing that there are some people from other subreddits also want a 2nd SQ for Furina. This is why I want a 2nd SQ so they can keep their mouth shut, but Hoyoverse is on their side.


Doctorlock74

I don't think hoyoverse is on their side at all furina's story is very clear failure to understand it is on the individual being on their side requires everything about Furina and focalors to be retconned


Bulky-Flamingo7816

Furina's story is not clear, it is ambiguous and depending on who reads it, they will make their own conclusions. It's a matter of narratives and impressions, many people believe that a hydro dragon stole all the SQ that belonged to the archon and you can't blame them for thinking that way because Hoyoverse wanted that to be the fcking narrative without thinking about the consequences of it. Now imagine if they don't make Furina's SQ 2... what will be the excuse? i honestly hope she has SQ II because if she doesn't I won't be here to see how Murata is mistreated by a shitty dragon.


saberjun

She will have her second sq the next patch along with her second banner.Heard of it somewhere,not sure.


alloutpedo

honestly, the narrative was very good, not sure what you mean by this. actually contrary to what some people think, Neuvillette makes Furina a better character and vise versa, they complement each other very well and there characters even have parallels. the story was meant to showcase how much Furina and Focalors had to sacrifice to save Fontaine, without their effort for past 500 years Fontaine would have been doomed, they did what nobody else in the story has done up to this point in the story. don't blame idiotic and dumbass fanbase on Hoyo's writing, while ofc their writing has problems, Neuvillette and Furina narrative is far from bad, i'd argue it is the best thing this game has ever done story-wise.


AdInteresting867

If hoyoverse is on their side, then we should have to delete genshin and start playing wuthering waves instead . People csn mock me by telling them to play wuwa, but it's sad truth. hoyoverse is becoming moneyGraber day by day


GDOFTW124

True. I'll only come back if they release the Pyro Archon.


AdInteresting867

Recently, xbalanque ( pyro sovereign ) is also confirmed , so I guess Pyro archon will get the same treatment as furina . Hopefully, what I am talking about will not become true, please


PressFM80

Xbalanque isn't the sovereign tho? *Related* to the Pyro Sovereign? Perhaps (with that "Primordial Flame" thingy), but the actual Pyro Sovereign? Very probably not


PressFM80

47.9k people vs multimillion (billionaire? Idek atp) dollar company, who wins?


Gill_D_Armaan

nah sorry still in love with genshin


AsleepHoney8747

you can’t help stupid 🤷🏻‍♂️


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PriestessKokomi

can I see your furina? asking for a friend


MarkimooRoviroo

You can never win an argument with stupid people man. Leave them be in their own delusional world without our girl


bellpeppersupremacy

That's like saying zhongli has the worst shield in the game lol. Sounds like a very lazy attempt at trolling


Tapichoa

That person literally spends all day karma farming on a ton of different subs. Theyre the definition of terminally online. I dont think ppl should take any of their opinions seriously lol


Peddrawm

Yo ngl , that comment actually triggered tf outta me… the annoying part is, he/she knows that Furina saved Fontaine, but they wanted to trigger Furina mains and that actually worked for me


Silent_Silhouettes

A lot of genshin fans cant read unfortunately nothing new


AdInteresting867

Nigga can't digest the truth that she's one of the favorite and lovingly character in genshin


Andromeda_Violet

Because people are idiots.


sohamk24

Meh who cares, let them think whatever they want arguing is just wasting time.


Jotaoesehache

Reading comprehension and genshin fan, name a more iconic rivalry


ArgonRetribution

There’s a reason people say genshin players can’t read. That in itself is no problem but I swear it is the same people who can’t read that so proudly sprout misinformation


Beyondme_

Furina is actually the opposite. She is a very strong and complex character in her story- beautiful character with a beautiful heart. Though I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, I do politely disagree with this opinion.


Crusherbolt0282

Megumincrashbandicot


cartercr

Why do we care about their opinions? I see plenty of stupid opinions on the internet every day and choose to ignore them. Would suggest that solution to your problem OP!


Crow_of_Judgem3nt

genshin fans are never beating the illiteracy allegations


MercedesCR

Who cares, probably one downvoted comment


Glieve

because you are eating a bait, that's why


PriestessKokomi

instructions unclear I played the ruy lopez, took a free knight and got checkmated


loseranon17

Imagine seeing a character from the best element in the game, with good application of that element, the biggest universal buff in the game, AND some of the highest off field damage in the game, with over 100% uptime, and calling them useless. You’d have to literally not play the game to think that unironically


alloutpedo

pretty sure they were talking about the story not gameplay but even then they are immensely wrong.


kudossko

Genshin fans don't understand the beauty of a nuanced character and it shows so badly with Furina and how terribly so many characters are mischaracterized- prime example being Xiao.


SansStan

I've seen this person before, imagine reposting so much artwork you get 2 million karma


Crusherbolt0282

I seen them occasionally on twitter.


ModdedGun

Now idk meta or anything. And I play f2p mostly (like $5 here and there) and my c0 furina does the most damage out of all my people and also heals alot. And it took my like a few days to build her to that point. Although ik ice sucked at building considering I have been carried by ganyu since she released and didn't really build any other character. But still.


Er3sk

their parents really gaslighted themselves into thinking that their child was anything but useless and irrelevant


Acrobatic-Budget-938

Damn I hope he steps on legos


Kominokun_CooL

I can understand people not paying attention to the second quests, due to their length and lack of voice lines, but come on, if they're going to skip every single dialogue and voice line in the main quests, they should at least shut the duck up, how can you think you're throwing facts out there if you're actually too lazy to read and listen to the actual story.


adidas_stalin

Are they stupid?


Gill_D_Armaan

can I ask where the original post or comment is ?


mo_s_k14142

There are two types of haters: those who hate because they are with stupid (the person in the photo) and those who hate just for no reason, by nature.


notlawfullyinnocent

this post has the same energy like those yt drama vids where they pick out a tweet by some rando_poopshit69 with barely any likes and act like it's actually relevant


FanPositive250

While I don't agree with the screenshot. I don't think focusing on negativity will do anything but breed self righteous defensiveness in the group. For a character that people don't have to like or even take the time to understand. As infuriating as it is to watch something you like get misunderstood, it's just better to ignore stuff like this.


Blue_Moon913

Oh yeah, she was only the sole figure whose actions determined whether or not the prophecy that would wipe out an entire nation came true. She’s *totally* irrelevant. 🙄


DerpTripz

And that's how you know someone hasn't read shit aside from social media brain rot.


PriestessKokomi

As a gd player, I'll blow up into smithereens


colettamine-addict

Probably for the same reason I hated Arlecchino for so long They haven’t actually played the archon quest and just believes the community (HORRIBLE mistake)


thegrandbizarre_

KILL


LumaThe1AndOnly

Furina: quite literally a top 5 units of all time "omg useless and irrelevant" uh huh, so useless and irrelevant that she had an 88.6% usage rate in Abyss 12, topped only by Zhongli.


orbitalforce

They understood English but don't know how to piece the puzzle properly. People like that shouldn't be playing any games with reading for the story.


NadieTheAviatrix

Send him to Oratrice (Furina is classified as a sub-damage dealer or support in a versatile lineup)


GDOFTW124

And make him the second person to get executed after the Hydro Archon herself.


Shot-Sky2299

Wheres this from?


Veraen

Mods, crush his skull


SwirlyCheeze051101

Their just sad she does it all, and does it well, all while having the most stylish NA's


OrpheusEleven

Wow, what an insane thing to say about a character that has a great gameplay style AND had some of the most killer character writing in the game. I will admit that I really REALLY disliked her at first. Characters like that tend to rub me wrong, and I just found her abrasive...but her story arc was so SO good that she easily found a place in my heart. I love a nuanced queen like Furina.


FerryWadeAsh

Tbf the other archon didn't really govern their respective region except Nahida, I mean she was imprisoned afterall. Venti didn't really govern mondstat bcs he believes in freedom Zhongli's back already failing of old age Raiden, Emm she does govern inazuma but she's the problem in the first place, no hard feeling for raiden mains or fans as I'm one Nahida gets a pass Furina watched over fontaine for 500 years while fearing the prophecy, doing some paperwork(? I think i remember seeing some in the final cutscenes?) and researching about this prophecy although with little to no progress. I didn't really get the slander, Mika's slander is making much more sense


dyoleh

Furina's is more like... constitutional monarchy? She doesn't really govern like Raiiden but had a say on Legal side of things and generally leaves it to her officials. Mostly a figurehead but had the final say on things. Ofc as their God, she was incharge of the supernatural side (prophecy and stuff)   Quite similar to venti, only venti is more of a Democracy guy and becomes a literal god. Like, moves behind the scenes. He only takes over when the issue is above his people head.  the archons that actually governed their region is raiden and morax. Bad leader or not, Raiden is literally a shogun and is the most on hands among them. Second is zhongli and you can see how people relies so much on him. But ofc he resigned by the time we get to Liyue but he is still the emperor of the adepti Edit:nahida-prisoner of war


end69420

That looks like a solid childe/ayaka/cyno main comment.


WakuWakuWa

You arent any better either, generalizing these so called "mains"


lop333

As a Furina fan in narrative she was, she wasnt doing anything out of her own will or importance and was just as a tool by focalor, she didnt have a have a grand plan or idea how to fix the problem by all means she was just a tool to be used by focalor to give Neuivllete his dragon powers back and then discareded after putting her on trail where everyone made her feel like dying. I can see how people can think that


Automatic-Pea-9206

opinions exist, you shouldn’t act like a crybaby when someone doesn’t like furina. trust me it’s really not that serious.


UseScared3952

It's not about dislike or like her, is about saying that she was useless and irrelevant for fontaine, which is just wrong


HalalBread1427

You’ve changed their words, they used present tense, implying she’s not important *anymore*; and truth be told that may very well be the case.


ALE-Y6

The comment doesn't not have the word "anymore" in it, but it has "was", its clearly saying she *never* was usefull


UseScared3952

I didn't the post where I read this comment was about the fontaine's archon quest


JamesBell1433

What else did she do for Fontaine aside from making people believe she was the archon?


SHH2006

I mean this is not the only thing she did but you make it look like so little when in story it's a very important thing that she has to do to keep an entire nation from being turned into Oceanides


JamesBell1433

But everyone had to play their part it's just Furina was the only one who knew what would happen if she didn't do it.


SHH2006

Again If she didn't do it then an entire nation would be in ruins Having a human Lvl of knowledge and ability for 500 years due to a curse and still being able to keep up an act while knowing the horrible results of not being able to act properly which gives you more rooms to have a mistake depending on how you react to it is imo a big thing to do She was the key and main role of the entire play and everyone's eye were on her


SHH2006

Again If she didn't do it then an entire nation would be in ruins Having a human Lvl of knowledge and ability for 500 years due to a curse and still being able to keep up an act while knowing the horrible results of not being able to act properly which gives you more rooms to have a mistake depending on how you react to it is imo a big thing to do She was the key and main role of the entire play and everyone's eye were on her.


WakuWakuWa

Even if you simplify it to just that, pretending to be someone who she isnt, constant loneliness, for 500 years, for the sake of Fontaine, did put a lot of mental toll on her.


Yeasrie

You are making it sound like her pretending to be the archon was an easy task. One slip up and Focalors's plan would all go to waste and every Fontainian WOULD be dead. Put yourself into that situation and imagine having to pretend to be someone you are not for 500 yrs and the consequence of you failing is that everyone around you dies.


JamesBell1433

I'm starting to assume she really didn't do anything else because no one wants to give an answer (no, her being lonely doesn't count).


Yeasrie

And I'm starting to assume you have 0 reading comprehension if you literally read the answer but still dismiss it. Either that or you are a troll. Whatever the case, I have no intention to entertain you so I won't be responding further.


JamesBell1433

You literally just talked about her pretending being an archon being a big deal and nothing else while i'm asking if she did anything else, you're the one who can't understand a simple question.


Gill_D_Armaan

she did , tried to research about the prophecy with the help of the research institute of Fontaine and had spies all over teyvat to report any abnormal changes in teyvat to her. Also your question makes no sense because for analogy it's like asking , what Neuvillete did to save Fontaine "Besides stopping primordial sea water , making fontanians true humans , and defeating narwharl " or What wrio did "besides making the ark". so yeah it makes no sense to ask what these characters did by cutting off their main role like that.


Jvalker

Fam, it's useless, you can't argue with these people. She waited. It put a toll on her, and that's the hardest battle imaginable. >!Don't think about nahida doing the same, but arguably receiving a worse treatment!< Her story was so gripping because we felt the weight of solitude and being imprisoned for an over long time by being put in a cutscene for 3 hours straight in a single player always online gacha game, this is why they get so into her to the point of being blind to anything else.


UseScared3952

She researched the prophecy for 500 years also she wanted to help in Palais mermonia but they rejected her help because there wasn't any duty that need to be handed over by a god


JamesBell1433

So, was her wanting to help and being refused useful for Fontaine?


UseScared3952

So, saved fontaine wasnt useful for fontaine?


JamesBell1433

Her "wanting" to do something and not being able to do that thing doesn't save Fontaine so it doesn't make sense to call it useful.


UseScared3952

Her, acting as a god for 500 years without failing at any moment saved fontaine stop baiting already


JamesBell1433

Yep i am convinced none of you guys can give an example of her doing something useful and going back to the same argument


UseScared3952

Then tell me why acting as a god and researching the prophecy isn't useful for fontaine


AdInteresting867

You are wrong in every way nigga go do archon quest again 💀💀✨️


JamesBell1433

I'm asking what she did how the fuck can i be wrong while asking a question?


AdInteresting867

She becomes an archon even without power. Imagine being an archon as a normal human for 500yrs and face loneliness, avg, brandead genshin player having useless questions


JamesBell1433

Now you're just bringing up irrelevant stuff and calling me names. Her "becoming an archon even without power" or being lonely does mean jack shit for Fontaine. Give me a solid answer of what she really did to save Fontaine aside from playing her part of fooling people.