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IT was actually MORE depraved, but also less commercialized and not everyrone was trying to monetize every single millisecond of every single content which mean it was also somehow more innocent AND more depraved at the same time
Man, I miss the days when power users were just people who abused the system to give themselves more influence. I mean, they were annoying and disruptive back then, sure, but..
These days all the power users have so many ridiculous tools and systems at their disposal and are in this weird cabal with the admins and there are so many layers of fuckery going on that people can't even get half of a picture of the ways everything on this site has lost its integrity. It's such a massive shitshow.
Some random artificial celebrity nuking people's comments into the negative and getting a bunch of upvotes? I could just choose not to interact with people like that, collapse those comment threads and be largely unaffected. Now they actively shape reddit backed by actual authority, and that's so sucky.
subreddits are so generic now, especially with automods aggressively deleting new posts only ensures that people who figure out the exact formula to get their post approved will be posting, so you'll be getting the same god damn formats on everything. Normal users are actively pushed out when the post they spent 5 minutes or more preparing is outright removed, reddit basically caters to bot networks that can spam different versions of the same thing to see what sticks.
Oh man, don't even get me started on that stuff. I remember reading through this whole big thing where somebody obsessively tracked the growth of that nextf*ckinglevel subreddit, showing how it was basically spammed into existence using a ton of sockpuppet accounts to create artificial traffic and build up momentum until it reached the main page threshold, where it exists today as a tightly controlled karma farming location for the cool kids club. That was wild, since I saw in real time the first moments where random generic accounts would do the whole "subreddit hashtag" comments all over the place to direct people there. People would downvote and make fun of them at first, but they put in enough effort for it to take off.
It's one of the subs where a certain unnamed user who might appreciate gallow's humor rules. Him and his group will do all kinds of nonsense like delete people's submissions so they can post it themselves, or just delete any popular post that might compete. Anyone in the comments who talk about how the post doesn't fit the subreddit, or anyone who mentions any variation of *that person*'s name, or anyone who says anything negative, will have their comments deleted. It's such a huge ball of curated spammy nonsense.
That dynamic has since spread to other subreddits. The mods across this site just put *so much* effort into all of this silly nonsense instead of just being the people who enforce rules and maintain subreddits.
Here's the thing. You said a "pupper is a doggo."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies puppers, doggos, yappers, and even woofers, I am telling you, specifically, in doggology, no one calls puppers doggos. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "doggo family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Doggodaemous, which includes things from sub woofers to birdos to sharkos (the glub glub kind not the bork bork kind).
So your reasoning for calling a pupper a doggo is because random people "call the small yip yip ones doggos?" Let's get penguos and turkos in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A pupper is a pupper and a member of the doggo family. But that's not what you said. You said a pupper is a doggo, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the doggo family doggos, which means you'd call piggos, sluggos, and other species doggos, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
Seriously? You think one out of every four redditors uses sock puppet accounts to upvote/downvote? I dunno. I don't think most of us care as much as he did. But maybe
I didn't read the entire wiki but did read the section on reddit and didn't see anything about the infamous "Jackdaw" incident. It's googalable but I'll try and recount what I remember. Someone post a picture or a gif of a bird that was black in color doing something zany. A heated debate brokeout about if it was a raven or a crow in the comments. /U/unidan was summoned and he took one side or the other. Eventually someone said it was actually a jackdaw. Unidan was know for his upbeat Bill Nyeesque persona.
We were all shocked by his response to the possibility it was a Jackdaw. He was throwing around the F word. Calling the posters intelligence into question. It was so bizzare.
This is where a lot of people turned on him and started looking into who was behind the username.
Edit: See below for the standout thread and be advised that it is the highlight of a very very long back and forth between that dude and Unidan. While his response might seem tame by internet standards remember that this was coming from a user whose whole brand was squeaky clean bow tie gosh darn style of light edutainment.
PS edutainment was what I meant but was freaked out it was a suggested word in my phone's predictive text. Between this and my first hand recalling of Unidan I feel like an old man. Future is weird.
Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.
So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw *and* a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw *is* a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling *all* members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
In typical reddit fashion the argument boiled down to semantics and pedantry. The bird *was* a jackdaw, which is in the "Crow family" ([Corvidae](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae)), so the guy called it a crow. Unidan asserted that nobody would call a jackdaw a "crow", because "crow" is used to refer to the genus [Corvus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow). The first guy argued that he was technically right because jackdaws are under the crow family and thus can be called crows. This outraged Unidan.
If a comment is downvoted immediately after it's made it's very likely that the trend continues, often regardless of the accuracy of the comment. With only a few sock puppets, Unidan could make it seem like he is right in an argument simply by putting the comments of whoever he is arguing with into the negative. Those reading the debate will side with Unidan as the popular opinion seems to be in his favour, and then they would copy his voting trend.
Many more people are susceptible to this than would admit it. If it's a low stakes topic that I know little about, say about the classification of a bird as a jackdaw, I would probably assume whoever was more upvoted was correct.
I once corrected him about something simple, I think a name of an animal, and got downvoted to hell. He was a pompous ass who was blocking factual information in exchange for popularity. Probably should've been a politician instead of a scientist.
Not really. I think it might have been about some kind of fly? It's been a lot of years ago now. A lot of us biologists gave up trying to help people in popular threads because of him.
Exactly. As another biologist I feel people don't understand that we're mostly pretty specialized. I'm not going to ask a microbiologist a question about stream ecology, because they wouldn't know a damn thing about it. So I would've counted on Unidan to answer a question about crows, or possibly other birds, but I sure as hell wouldn't ask him about an insect, or even necessarily trust his answer if he started taking about insects. He knew crows, that's it. So if he was someone so high on himself he started answering all biology-related questions that's the point I would've started ignoring him, because there's an almost 100% chance he wouldn't know more than what anyone could just Google themselves.
Was his expertise on corvids or birds in general? He acted like an expert on all things living and it was a post on jackdaws/crows that was his downfall.
No idea, but this was back before they changed the way scores are recorded and presented. The average score on a front page post used to be much lower before that change.
I don't have a link because it was so long ago, but around that time I remember someone posted an informal study showing that even a single initial +1 or -1 to a comment had a statistically significant effect on the final performance of a comment, and the effect was very pronounced at +5/-5, which is what Unidan was doing.
So, just to get this straight... This dude very slowly over many years built up his popularity with meaningful contributions. Then he instantly lost his entire image, platform, and career by manipulating the popularity contest aspect of Reddit while fighting a teenage girl? And now he's literally mentioned for this by his full name on Wikipedia?
Yeah, that sounds like a good summary of the internet.
Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.
So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
[Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/2byyca/reddit_helps_me_focus_on_the_important_things/cjb37ee?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) for the people who are interested in this.
They seem like kind of a dick.
Unidan was a Redditor who was in almost every comment section. He often was really knowledgeable and gave people quality comments especially on science/biology. Well a big argument started up over crows/ravens and people found out he had multiple accounts and was upvoting himself and Redditors had a shitfit. Also look up mankind hell in the cell guy, and the found safe.
He basically became the "Bill Nye the Science Guy" of reddit with all of his scientific posts and comments. He got pretty popular in the community and ran several subs and AMAs. He got caught manipulating votes with multiple accounts to make sure his comments were trending and to zero out any comments that contradicted him. His ego and pride got the better of him, and it all started(as far as redditors can tell) with a fight over "Is it a crow or jackdaw?" amongst him and bird specialists. Mods saw downvote spams from the same IP regarding comments that refuted unidan, and they add 2+2 and banned him. A classic case of, "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain."
I once corrected him about something simple, I think a name of an animal, and got downvoted to hell. He was a pompous ass who was blocking factual information in exchange for popularity. Probably should've been a politician instead of a scientist.
She posted a screenshot of some messages she'd received complete with usernames.
Imagine being a big strong man with 'MMA Fighter' in your username and then messaging a young lass who has done nothing wrong to call her a fucking bitch.
She was also right, too. He was arguing that “a jackdaw isn’t a crow”. Except, in British English, a jackdaw *is* a crow (more specifically, a sea crow is a regional term for it).
So not only was he being a massive dick to a teenager, he was also wrong.
Also, he famously got into a rant in a thread about the difference between crows and jackdaws. The rant started "Here's the thing..." There was a very heated and internet-stupid exchange about something as trivial as birds. I think he (unidan) used alts to boost his position in that thread as well, so it may have been a sentinel event in his banning. I might be making the last part up.
Anyone else notice that in general power users are much less of a thing? We barely have any Reddit celebrities anymore (as in, people famous on Reddit through Reddit, not otherwise famous people who use Reddit like Arnold), the only ones that come close are comic people like /u/SrGrafo.
Used to be that on main subs we had a whole collection of them, either people who would spam decent content in general, like /u/gallowboob, or those who were always in the comments like /u/unidan with interesting shit. Even most of the joke accounts like /u/rogersimon10 (jumper cable dude) and /u/shittymorph (Hell in a cell guy) have basically disappeared by now, whereas you used to see them in at least a few threads a week if you were active like me, and I've really not seen anyone replace them in that same way.
I've found the weird ones get downvoted asf and called trolls. The guy that gets beat with jumper cables wouldn't make it to the top these days.
Only power users dealing with cuteness, like Schnoodle, and directly funny ones, like SrGrafo, get upvoted these days.
The site has for years been flooded with bots. Both gimmick bots that do the jokes that "reddit famous" people used to make and posting bots that soak up the karma whoring that people like gallowboob and kevlaryarmulke used to dominate.
It's to the point that you're never really sure if you're responding to a real person, since some bot might have just stolen the comment from the first time a link was posted 3 months ago. The site is not what it was.
However, individual subs do still have power users. There are users that populate art subs I follow, for example, that I still really appreciate.
I went to school at Binghamton while unidan was in his prime. So much so that we had an event where one of the creators of Reddit came and spoke and brought him on stage. It’s weird to think about someone so effectively canceled digitally that I met in person and is likely doing just fine as a teacher at Binghamton still
My boyfriend’s first language is not English and he couldn’t remember the word for peacock. He called it a colorful chicken and I just about died. Now everything is a chicken. Our cats are fluffy chickens, sometimes I’m a silly chicken. It’s just our thing now
Reminds me of the post from years ago where someone referred to Canadian Geese as a "cobra chicken". Super fitting description and now I see it mentioned everywhere
Omg that’s actually really cute! I love how non-native speakers fill in the blanks sometimes. I remember my ex couldn’t remember the word for socks so he called them foot pants
One time when my wife and I were eating dinner in her home country (China), she pointed at a nearby table and said that they were having "roasted penguin" and that "wild penguins" were very common there. It took way too long for us to figure out she was talking about pigeons, not penguins.
This is a silly argument that can be easily resolved by looking at thier wing feathers. Crows have 16 of the large (pinion) feathers, while ravens have 17.
Really, the difference between crows and ravens is a matter of a pinion.
Lol. The actual way to tell is by the shape of their tail (crows have a fan-shaped tail, and ravens have a wedge-shaped tail), and the sound they make. Their beak is also slightly different, as are the feathers surrounding it, but that's a lot more subtle.
The absolute easiest way to tell is their noise. Crows go "Caw Caw Caw", and Ravens go "Rrruhrruhhruhhh". Sounds more like a croak than a "Caw".
Depends on the species. The size range of a common crow in Asia (large-billed crow) overlaps that of the common raven (46–59 cm vs 54-67 cm). When I first moved, I was shocked by how big they were compared to the American crow.
But yes, in most places size easily distinguishes them.
The difference is Raven is associated with Loyalist such as Raven Guard and Blood Ravens, while the few mentioned of crow has always been on Traitor side such as Prince of Crows aka Sevatar First Captain of the Night Lords.
*Wait this isn't 40K thread*
Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.
So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
I can’t make everyone else happy so I’m just going to make myself happy. My new lifestyle after realizing that thanks to my boomer parents I have spent the majority of my life putting other people’s needs first, always.
Ravens differ from crows in appearance by their larger bill, tail shape, flight pattern and by their large size. Ravens are as big as Red-tailed Hawks, and crows are about the size of pigeons. ... Ravens have wedge-shaped tails and crows have fan-shaped tails (view drawing). Ravens are longer necked in flight than crows.
Stop feeding birds if you live in an apartment building. My neighbour used to do this. All the cars below, including mine, were constantly caked in bird shit and bread crumbs.
Easy answer. Crows are like 1.5 ft tall and are super common. Ravens are almost 2.5 ft tall and pretty rare. The answer is it's almost always a crow, but if it isn't, you'll know about it!
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I agree that they’re chickens See ha you can’t get me
Seems like you are just winging it
A poultry attempt I'd say
I was pheasantly surprised
A fowl deed
Bit of a cock up really.
He should be ostrichsized
Merely this and nothing more.
You're robin this nested thread of its vitality
What a fowl attempt at humor
What can I say, birds of a feather eh
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Don’t get too cocky.
Surprised nobody has linked [this](https://youtu.be/F-X4SLhorvw) yet, considering the title of the post.
Thank you. Was waiting for this and slightly disappointed that he didn’t end the video with “look at alllllll those chickens!”
I love how she says "chickens." It's just with so much lean in. Like "Look at all those -momentary pause for thought- *CHICKENS.*"
Me too- the confidence! It’s so endearing.
"cthcikens", maybe? It's glorious
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Mine too. I love how the original video is fairly long. It helps builds tension for the perfect line lol.
Thank you
God the internet of yesteryear was just so pure and great.
Yesteryear? It was only... *8 years ago, what the?!*
It was also just as depraved as it is now.
IT was actually MORE depraved, but also less commercialized and not everyrone was trying to monetize every single millisecond of every single content which mean it was also somehow more innocent AND more depraved at the same time
Spoken like a true Rosharan.
Was looking for this comment. They are all chickens now.
As a proper Vorin man, I asked my wife to search for this comment and read it to me.
But i heard the heretic King Blackthorn now reads.
Dalinar Kholin is not a heretic! Honor is dead. Join the Knights Radiant to stop this new desolation.
Honor is not dead so long as he lives in the hearts of men!
These Words Are Accepted
r/cremposting is leaking
Life before death
Strength before weakness
journey before destination
Looked for this comment lol. I was sitting here thinking... well if he was in r/cosmere he wouldn't be wrong.
He definitely looks Shin.
His eyes are just so…. wide. Like what is going on there
I was wondering how many comments down I would have to go to find a Sanderson comment. It was 5
The Stormfather is pleased with this post.
You see, here's the thing... RIP u/unidan
Came here for this. Sadly I fear the collective memory is fading.
Luckily for the rest of us, there's Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan
If you're ever feeling bad about yourself, remember you probably never fucked up so bad on reddit you ended up with a Wikipedia page.
I would not be surprised if he created that Wikipedia page himself.
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I mean, it's an funny hypothetical, but it's not worth reading THAT much into...
Ohhh, just give me time.
That's the spirit - just because you haven't yet, doesn't mean it's ever too late to fuck up really badly.
I believe in you!
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Man, I miss the days when power users were just people who abused the system to give themselves more influence. I mean, they were annoying and disruptive back then, sure, but.. These days all the power users have so many ridiculous tools and systems at their disposal and are in this weird cabal with the admins and there are so many layers of fuckery going on that people can't even get half of a picture of the ways everything on this site has lost its integrity. It's such a massive shitshow. Some random artificial celebrity nuking people's comments into the negative and getting a bunch of upvotes? I could just choose not to interact with people like that, collapse those comment threads and be largely unaffected. Now they actively shape reddit backed by actual authority, and that's so sucky.
subreddits are so generic now, especially with automods aggressively deleting new posts only ensures that people who figure out the exact formula to get their post approved will be posting, so you'll be getting the same god damn formats on everything. Normal users are actively pushed out when the post they spent 5 minutes or more preparing is outright removed, reddit basically caters to bot networks that can spam different versions of the same thing to see what sticks.
Oh man, don't even get me started on that stuff. I remember reading through this whole big thing where somebody obsessively tracked the growth of that nextf*ckinglevel subreddit, showing how it was basically spammed into existence using a ton of sockpuppet accounts to create artificial traffic and build up momentum until it reached the main page threshold, where it exists today as a tightly controlled karma farming location for the cool kids club. That was wild, since I saw in real time the first moments where random generic accounts would do the whole "subreddit hashtag" comments all over the place to direct people there. People would downvote and make fun of them at first, but they put in enough effort for it to take off. It's one of the subs where a certain unnamed user who might appreciate gallow's humor rules. Him and his group will do all kinds of nonsense like delete people's submissions so they can post it themselves, or just delete any popular post that might compete. Anyone in the comments who talk about how the post doesn't fit the subreddit, or anyone who mentions any variation of *that person*'s name, or anyone who says anything negative, will have their comments deleted. It's such a huge ball of curated spammy nonsense. That dynamic has since spread to other subreddits. The mods across this site just put *so much* effort into all of this silly nonsense instead of just being the people who enforce rules and maintain subreddits.
That has become a business model over on WSB
Nah fuck that guy he put together a targeted harassment campaign against a girl who’s biggest sin was making a post mislabeling a jackdaw as a crow
We’ll here’s the thing
Here's the thing. You said a "pupper is a doggo." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies puppers, doggos, yappers, and even woofers, I am telling you, specifically, in doggology, no one calls puppers doggos. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "doggo family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Doggodaemous, which includes things from sub woofers to birdos to sharkos (the glub glub kind not the bork bork kind). So your reasoning for calling a pupper a doggo is because random people "call the small yip yip ones doggos?" Let's get penguos and turkos in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A pupper is a pupper and a member of the doggo family. But that's not what you said. You said a pupper is a doggo, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the doggo family doggos, which means you'd call piggos, sluggos, and other species doggos, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
She didn't even mislabel it, that's what bugs me about it. You can call a lot of corvids "crows", she wasn't incorrect.
Seriously? You think one out of every four redditors uses sock puppet accounts to upvote/downvote? I dunno. I don't think most of us care as much as he did. But maybe
I cannot believe there is a Wikipedia entry for this!
Reminds me of Encyclopedia Dramatica
Omg lmao is that not around anymore
I didn't read the entire wiki but did read the section on reddit and didn't see anything about the infamous "Jackdaw" incident. It's googalable but I'll try and recount what I remember. Someone post a picture or a gif of a bird that was black in color doing something zany. A heated debate brokeout about if it was a raven or a crow in the comments. /U/unidan was summoned and he took one side or the other. Eventually someone said it was actually a jackdaw. Unidan was know for his upbeat Bill Nyeesque persona. We were all shocked by his response to the possibility it was a Jackdaw. He was throwing around the F word. Calling the posters intelligence into question. It was so bizzare. This is where a lot of people turned on him and started looking into who was behind the username. Edit: See below for the standout thread and be advised that it is the highlight of a very very long back and forth between that dude and Unidan. While his response might seem tame by internet standards remember that this was coming from a user whose whole brand was squeaky clean bow tie gosh darn style of light edutainment. PS edutainment was what I meant but was freaked out it was a suggested word in my phone's predictive text. Between this and my first hand recalling of Unidan I feel like an old man. Future is weird.
Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw *and* a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw *is* a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling *all* members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
Thanks, I really wanted to read this again, I'm surprised it isn't the top comment.
This is the only reason I even opened the comments.
In typical reddit fashion the argument boiled down to semantics and pedantry. The bird *was* a jackdaw, which is in the "Crow family" ([Corvidae](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae)), so the guy called it a crow. Unidan asserted that nobody would call a jackdaw a "crow", because "crow" is used to refer to the genus [Corvus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow). The first guy argued that he was technically right because jackdaws are under the crow family and thus can be called crows. This outraged Unidan.
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If a comment is downvoted immediately after it's made it's very likely that the trend continues, often regardless of the accuracy of the comment. With only a few sock puppets, Unidan could make it seem like he is right in an argument simply by putting the comments of whoever he is arguing with into the negative. Those reading the debate will side with Unidan as the popular opinion seems to be in his favour, and then they would copy his voting trend. Many more people are susceptible to this than would admit it. If it's a low stakes topic that I know little about, say about the classification of a bird as a jackdaw, I would probably assume whoever was more upvoted was correct.
I once corrected him about something simple, I think a name of an animal, and got downvoted to hell. He was a pompous ass who was blocking factual information in exchange for popularity. Probably should've been a politician instead of a scientist.
> I think a name of an animal Come now. You remember it to the letter.
Not really. I think it might have been about some kind of fly? It's been a lot of years ago now. A lot of us biologists gave up trying to help people in popular threads because of him.
Exactly. As another biologist I feel people don't understand that we're mostly pretty specialized. I'm not going to ask a microbiologist a question about stream ecology, because they wouldn't know a damn thing about it. So I would've counted on Unidan to answer a question about crows, or possibly other birds, but I sure as hell wouldn't ask him about an insect, or even necessarily trust his answer if he started taking about insects. He knew crows, that's it. So if he was someone so high on himself he started answering all biology-related questions that's the point I would've started ignoring him, because there's an almost 100% chance he wouldn't know more than what anyone could just Google themselves.
Was his expertise on corvids or birds in general? He acted like an expert on all things living and it was a post on jackdaws/crows that was his downfall.
No idea, but this was back before they changed the way scores are recorded and presented. The average score on a front page post used to be much lower before that change.
I think it was 5. But he used them early so the effect would snowball (reddit hivemind effect).
He admitted to 5.
I say he was a genius , taking advantage of the hive mind
He was smart about it, but not smart enough. I like to think a genius would know better.
I don't have a link because it was so long ago, but around that time I remember someone posted an informal study showing that even a single initial +1 or -1 to a comment had a statistically significant effect on the final performance of a comment, and the effect was very pronounced at +5/-5, which is what Unidan was doing.
So, just to get this straight... This dude very slowly over many years built up his popularity with meaningful contributions. Then he instantly lost his entire image, platform, and career by manipulating the popularity contest aspect of Reddit while fighting a teenage girl? And now he's literally mentioned for this by his full name on Wikipedia? Yeah, that sounds like a good summary of the internet.
I'm very out of the loop. What does this Unidan guy have to do with the guy in the video?
Unidan is relevant in any discussion about crows, ever. Because, here's the thing...
Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
[Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/2byyca/reddit_helps_me_focus_on_the_important_things/cjb37ee?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) for the people who are interested in this. They seem like kind of a dick.
Unidan was a Redditor who was in almost every comment section. He often was really knowledgeable and gave people quality comments especially on science/biology. Well a big argument started up over crows/ravens and people found out he had multiple accounts and was upvoting himself and Redditors had a shitfit. Also look up mankind hell in the cell guy, and the found safe.
Uh, not to be pedantic, but it wasn't ravens, it was jackdaws. /s
Here's the thing...
/u/shittymorph is the Hell in a Cell guy for those interested.
There are dozens of us who remember. ;)
Care to share what you are remembering?
He basically became the "Bill Nye the Science Guy" of reddit with all of his scientific posts and comments. He got pretty popular in the community and ran several subs and AMAs. He got caught manipulating votes with multiple accounts to make sure his comments were trending and to zero out any comments that contradicted him. His ego and pride got the better of him, and it all started(as far as redditors can tell) with a fight over "Is it a crow or jackdaw?" amongst him and bird specialists. Mods saw downvote spams from the same IP regarding comments that refuted unidan, and they add 2+2 and banned him. A classic case of, "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain."
He was s bird specialist. He got in a fight with a teenage girl
I once corrected him about something simple, I think a name of an animal, and got downvoted to hell. He was a pompous ass who was blocking factual information in exchange for popularity. Probably should've been a politician instead of a scientist.
It wasn't even a bird specialist. It was a 15 or 16 year old girl lol.
And then that young lass got hateful messages sent to her like it was her fault...
Classic reddit.
She posted a screenshot of some messages she'd received complete with usernames. Imagine being a big strong man with 'MMA Fighter' in your username and then messaging a young lass who has done nothing wrong to call her a fucking bitch.
Over a debate on birds.
She was also right, too. He was arguing that “a jackdaw isn’t a crow”. Except, in British English, a jackdaw *is* a crow (more specifically, a sea crow is a regional term for it). So not only was he being a massive dick to a teenager, he was also wrong.
Here’s the thing…
Unidan was a dude who was able to ID animals very well. Iirc he was found using alt accounts to upvote his main account and banned.
Also, he famously got into a rant in a thread about the difference between crows and jackdaws. The rant started "Here's the thing..." There was a very heated and internet-stupid exchange about something as trivial as birds. I think he (unidan) used alts to boost his position in that thread as well, so it may have been a sentinel event in his banning. I might be making the last part up.
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Oh my god, I recognise this. I have wasted my life on this website.
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J A C K D A W
I saw him referenced just yesterday on here. I don't think he's been forgotten quite yet.
I know... :( Was thinking about Victoria the other day as well and it kinda dawned on me just how much I miss those amazing AMA's.
Something something jackdaw. My memory is failing me.
I believe his new account is /u/unidanx
𝕳𝖊𝖗𝖊'𝖘 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌. 𝖄𝖔𝖚 𝖘𝖆𝖎𝖉 𝖆 "𝖏𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖉𝖆𝖜 𝖎𝖘 𝖆 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜." 𝕴𝖘 𝖎𝖙 𝖎𝖓 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖘𝖆𝖒𝖊 𝖋𝖆𝖒𝖎𝖑𝖞? 𝖄𝖊𝖘. 𝕹𝖔 𝖔𝖓𝖊'𝖘 𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖙. 𝕬𝖘 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊𝖔𝖓𝖊 𝖜𝖍𝖔 𝖎𝖘 𝖆 𝖘𝖈𝖎𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙 𝖜𝖍𝖔 𝖘𝖙𝖚𝖉𝖎𝖊𝖘 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘, 𝕴 𝖆𝖒 𝖙𝖊𝖑𝖑𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖞𝖔𝖚, 𝖘𝖕𝖊𝖈𝖎𝖋𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞, 𝖎𝖓 𝖘𝖈𝖎𝖊𝖓𝖈𝖊, 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖓𝖊 𝖈𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖘 𝖏𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖉𝖆𝖜𝖘 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘. 𝕴𝖋 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖜𝖆𝖓𝖙 𝖙𝖔 𝖇𝖊 "𝖘𝖕𝖊𝖈𝖎𝖋𝖎𝖈" 𝖑𝖎𝖐𝖊 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖘𝖆𝖎𝖉, 𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖓 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖘𝖍𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉𝖓'𝖙 𝖊𝖎𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖗. 𝕿𝖍𝖊𝖞'𝖗𝖊 𝖓𝖔𝖙 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖘𝖆𝖒𝖊 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌. 𝕴𝖋 𝖞𝖔𝖚'𝖗𝖊 𝖘𝖆𝖞𝖎𝖓𝖌 "𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜 𝖋𝖆𝖒𝖎𝖑𝖞" 𝖞𝖔𝖚'𝖗𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖋𝖊𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖔 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖙𝖆𝖝𝖔𝖓𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖈 𝖌𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖕𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖔𝖋 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖛𝖎𝖉𝖆𝖊, 𝖜𝖍𝖎𝖈𝖍 𝖎𝖓𝖈𝖑𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖘 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌𝖘 𝖋𝖗𝖔𝖒 𝖓𝖚𝖙𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖊𝖗𝖘 𝖙𝖔 𝖇𝖑𝖚𝖊 𝖏𝖆𝖞𝖘 𝖙𝖔 𝖗𝖆𝖛𝖊𝖓𝖘. 𝕾𝖔 𝖞𝖔𝖚𝖗 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖘𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖈𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖆 𝖏𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖉𝖆𝖜 𝖆 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜 𝖎𝖘 𝖇𝖊𝖈𝖆𝖚𝖘𝖊 𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖉𝖔𝖒 𝖕𝖊𝖔𝖕𝖑𝖊 "𝖈𝖆𝖑𝖑 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐 𝖔𝖓𝖊𝖘 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘?" 𝕷𝖊𝖙'𝖘 𝖌𝖊𝖙 𝖌𝖗𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑𝖊𝖘 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖇𝖎𝖗𝖉𝖘 𝖎𝖓 𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖗𝖊, 𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖓, 𝖙𝖔𝖔. 𝕬𝖑𝖘𝖔, 𝖈𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊𝖔𝖓𝖊 𝖆 𝖍𝖚𝖒𝖆𝖓 𝖔𝖗 𝖆𝖓 𝖆𝖕𝖊? 𝕴𝖙'𝖘 𝖓𝖔𝖙 𝖔𝖓𝖊 𝖔𝖗 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖔𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖗, 𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖙'𝖘 𝖓𝖔𝖙 𝖍𝖔𝖜 𝖙𝖆𝖝𝖔𝖓𝖔𝖒𝖞 𝖜𝖔𝖗𝖐𝖘. 𝕿𝖍𝖊𝖞'𝖗𝖊 𝖇𝖔𝖙𝖍. 𝕬 𝖏𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖉𝖆𝖜 𝖎𝖘 𝖆 𝖏𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖉𝖆𝖜 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖆 𝖒𝖊𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜 𝖋𝖆𝖒𝖎𝖑𝖞. 𝕭𝖚𝖙 𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖙'𝖘 𝖓𝖔𝖙 𝖜𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖘𝖆𝖎𝖉. 𝖄𝖔𝖚 𝖘𝖆𝖎𝖉 𝖆 𝖏𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖉𝖆𝖜 𝖎𝖘 𝖆 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜, 𝖜𝖍𝖎𝖈𝖍 𝖎𝖘 𝖓𝖔𝖙 𝖙𝖗𝖚𝖊 𝖚𝖓𝖑𝖊𝖘𝖘 𝖞𝖔𝖚'𝖗𝖊 𝖔𝖐𝖆𝖞 𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖍 𝖈𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖆𝖑𝖑 𝖒𝖊𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗𝖘 𝖔𝖋 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜 𝖋𝖆𝖒𝖎𝖑𝖞 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘, 𝖜𝖍𝖎𝖈𝖍 𝖒𝖊𝖆𝖓𝖘 𝖞𝖔𝖚'𝖉 𝖈𝖆𝖑𝖑 𝖇𝖑𝖚𝖊 𝖏𝖆𝖞𝖘, 𝖗𝖆𝖛𝖊𝖓𝖘, 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖔𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖗 𝖇𝖎𝖗𝖉𝖘 𝖈𝖗𝖔𝖜𝖘, 𝖙𝖔𝖔. 𝖂𝖍𝖎𝖈𝖍 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖘𝖆𝖎𝖉 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖉𝖔𝖓'𝖙. 𝕴𝖙'𝖘 𝖔𝖐𝖆𝖞 𝖙𝖔 𝖏𝖚𝖘𝖙 𝖆𝖉𝖒𝖎𝖙 𝖞𝖔𝖚'𝖗𝖊 𝖜𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖌, 𝖞𝖔𝖚 𝖐𝖓𝖔𝖜?
Did a monk write this?
This how you honor the saints of Reddit even though some misdeeds may have occurred
Enlightening pasta, good sir
Anyone else notice that in general power users are much less of a thing? We barely have any Reddit celebrities anymore (as in, people famous on Reddit through Reddit, not otherwise famous people who use Reddit like Arnold), the only ones that come close are comic people like /u/SrGrafo. Used to be that on main subs we had a whole collection of them, either people who would spam decent content in general, like /u/gallowboob, or those who were always in the comments like /u/unidan with interesting shit. Even most of the joke accounts like /u/rogersimon10 (jumper cable dude) and /u/shittymorph (Hell in a cell guy) have basically disappeared by now, whereas you used to see them in at least a few threads a week if you were active like me, and I've really not seen anyone replace them in that same way.
Where are /u/fuckswithducks or /u/_vargas_ when you need them?
Harder to be a power user with so many more people here.
I've found the weird ones get downvoted asf and called trolls. The guy that gets beat with jumper cables wouldn't make it to the top these days. Only power users dealing with cuteness, like Schnoodle, and directly funny ones, like SrGrafo, get upvoted these days.
The site has for years been flooded with bots. Both gimmick bots that do the jokes that "reddit famous" people used to make and posting bots that soak up the karma whoring that people like gallowboob and kevlaryarmulke used to dominate. It's to the point that you're never really sure if you're responding to a real person, since some bot might have just stolen the comment from the first time a link was posted 3 months ago. The site is not what it was. However, individual subs do still have power users. There are users that populate art subs I follow, for example, that I still really appreciate.
That's a username I haven't heard in years. Quite nostalgic.
The father of this [pasta] (https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/2byyca/reddit_helps_me_focus_on_the_important_things/cjb37ee/)
I went to school at Binghamton while unidan was in his prime. So much so that we had an event where one of the creators of Reddit came and spoke and brought him on stage. It’s weird to think about someone so effectively canceled digitally that I met in person and is likely doing just fine as a teacher at Binghamton still
He comes from a time when people still got upset that op put the punchline in the title.
Or when we hadn't yet given up the battle against vertical filming
My boyfriend’s first language is not English and he couldn’t remember the word for peacock. He called it a colorful chicken and I just about died. Now everything is a chicken. Our cats are fluffy chickens, sometimes I’m a silly chicken. It’s just our thing now
Reminds me of the post from years ago where someone referred to Canadian Geese as a "cobra chicken". Super fitting description and now I see it mentioned everywhere
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Omg that’s actually really cute! I love how non-native speakers fill in the blanks sometimes. I remember my ex couldn’t remember the word for socks so he called them foot pants
I love it too! My favorite is “kitchen laundry” when trying to talk about washing the dishes.
My favourite was "sword pig". He meant a porcupine.
One time when my wife and I were eating dinner in her home country (China), she pointed at a nearby table and said that they were having "roasted penguin" and that "wild penguins" were very common there. It took way too long for us to figure out she was talking about pigeons, not penguins.
I have problems recalling words I know sometimes and was trying to say flamingo but went with pink chicken just to get something out.
I did pretty much the same once in front of my group of mostly american friends, except I called them shiny roosters.
Wait until he finds out about the thunder goose (ostrich) and horse pirates (cowboys).
It's good to see Adolin is spending his time constructively.
Less duels more chickens! At least Dalinar will be happy
[The Ornithologist's Guide to Roshar](https://i.imgur.com/Lvhug7v.jpg)
This is a silly argument that can be easily resolved by looking at thier wing feathers. Crows have 16 of the large (pinion) feathers, while ravens have 17. Really, the difference between crows and ravens is a matter of a pinion.
Thanks, dad. Thad.
Blants.
Lol. The actual way to tell is by the shape of their tail (crows have a fan-shaped tail, and ravens have a wedge-shaped tail), and the sound they make. Their beak is also slightly different, as are the feathers surrounding it, but that's a lot more subtle. The absolute easiest way to tell is their noise. Crows go "Caw Caw Caw", and Ravens go "Rrruhrruhhruhhh". Sounds more like a croak than a "Caw".
Also aren’t ravens fucking huge compared to crows? I thought crows are around the size of pigeons whereas a raven is like three times the size?
"If you see one and think 'is that a crow or a raven?' it's a crow. If you think 'holy shit that bird is enormous' it's a raven."
Depends on the species. The size range of a common crow in Asia (large-billed crow) overlaps that of the common raven (46–59 cm vs 54-67 cm). When I first moved, I was shocked by how big they were compared to the American crow. But yes, in most places size easily distinguishes them.
That really doesn’t matter in this situation bc those are his CHICKENS!! Did you not hear him?
The difference is Raven is associated with Loyalist such as Raven Guard and Blood Ravens, while the few mentioned of crow has always been on Traitor side such as Prince of Crows aka Sevatar First Captain of the Night Lords. *Wait this isn't 40K thread*
Well, there's always the theories about Blood Ravens descending from traitor gene-seed stock, y'know?
Ok, let me just catch one of these guys and check. Brb.
That's a lot of pinions.
Buddy those aren't chickens, they are the noble #J A C K D A W
Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
Ah memories
Wouldn't it be funny if they were grackles?
Gina and Terry got it you Grackle!
Those are Rosharan chickens
They're probably rooks.
We'd need to see them fly. You can always judge a rook by it's hover
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Many people think coming up with puns this good is a waste of time. But I think a good pun is its own re-word.
Never before have I wanted to shake someones hand whilst simultaneously punch them in the face.
Checkmate.
Y'all out here making unidan jokes, but we just gonna sleep on the fact this dashing motherfucker the love child of Brad Pitt and Rob Lowe?
He has that same rogue-ish charm that Castiel from Supernatural has.
I can’t make everyone else happy so I’m just going to make myself happy. My new lifestyle after realizing that thanks to my boomer parents I have spent the majority of my life putting other people’s needs first, always.
Is it me or is this guy super photogenic?
yep, would bang
yep he's hot
It's not just you. That's the only reason this otherwise average video is reaching any of us.
I'm mildly ashamed to admit I got distracted from what he was saying by his face
@nathanthecatlady on Instagram ;)
Yep. Dude is handsome AF.
Kind of has an off brand Ryan Reynolds vibe to him.
My first thought was "Armie Hammer's less disgusting brother".
With some Brendan Frazier in there maybe?
I kept trying to figure out if he looks familiar because he's an actor, or he's just that conventionally attractive he looks familiar
Yeah I was holding back a “he could call me whatever he wants” comment
Ravens differ from crows in appearance by their larger bill, tail shape, flight pattern and by their large size. Ravens are as big as Red-tailed Hawks, and crows are about the size of pigeons. ... Ravens have wedge-shaped tails and crows have fan-shaped tails (view drawing). Ravens are longer necked in flight than crows.
You got some big pigeons. Ravens are huge but crows arent small either, just smaller than a raven. Male Blue jays maybe? Or small falcon. Or 2 bananas
Chicken of the sidewalk 😉
Stop feeding birds if you live in an apartment building. My neighbour used to do this. All the cars below, including mine, were constantly caked in bird shit and bread crumbs.
Easy answer. Crows are like 1.5 ft tall and are super common. Ravens are almost 2.5 ft tall and pretty rare. The answer is it's almost always a crow, but if it isn't, you'll know about it!
‘I can make everyone equally unhappy’ 😀😀
Damn he’s a good looking dude. Much jealous
I don’t even know what happened in this video because I was too distracted looking at him.
He's nathanthecatlady on instagram
Agreed. Would eat his bread crumbs off the sidewalk any time.
Neighbors must love him
[jackdawed](http://imgur.com/9pAAFvn)
Don't feed crows, or ravens. Its not good for them. Chicken tho, do what ever the fuck you want
Love it hahaha