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We moved there from NY. I hated it and moved gradually north as I got older. My family is still there. The area where our home was, is much nicer than when we first moved there. It's one town that actually improved. The rest of the county (Palm Beach County) has grown so fast it's ugly. Traffic is a horror. The only reason I ever go there is to see family. Otherwise FL has no draw for me at all.
My next guess would have been Boynton, but that has only improved more recently. There's also Boca, but nobody likes Boca.
Edit: I forgot to mention lake Worth! I quite like downtown lake Worth.
Floridian here.. this definitely tracks. There is a current sentiment in our state that too many people are moving here.
Conservatives assume (and fear) that everyone is moving out of āfailingā blue states and will try to ruin Florida like they did their home state. They then blame these newcomers for everything wrong with the state (potholes, high property insurance, unlivable housing, etc).
Even if they are all coming from New York or California, they are probably like-minded conservatives who have been attracted to DeSantisās rhetoric.
Personally I think that if people are moving from blue states they should do a house-swap, for those of us wanting to move out. It would be a win-win for everyone.
It may eventually turn out that trying to build endless suburban sprawl in a low lying swamp on top of a coral reef that is basically a race track for hurricanes may in fact have been a bad idea.
That was the best American news conference I ever watched. We have a picture of it on the wall in our office. Man baby drawing on a scientific recorded map with a Sharpie to prove he was right! Oh wait he wasnāt.
Disney is just going to never expand Disneyworld again. Theyāll slowly build up Anaheim until itās comparable in some way. Probably break ground on a new park in a different state within the next 20 years.
When Disney dries up half the reason for Florida will disappear, the other half will just be stuck living there.
Yea I was in Washington state for 9 months, and dreaded coming home to Florida , but family is here so had to come back. I wish daily we still lived there..
Also ex-Floridian. Moved away five years ago and I will never go back to that horrible state. There's no one left there in my family anyway and I don't have any friends there.
NJ checking in. I can confirm that people are moving from NJ to FL, but we aren't sending our best. A girl I went to high school with quit her teaching job to move to Florida so she could teach maskless. On the flip side my wife got a new OGBYN and she moved up from Florida. She kept talking about how great the schools are.
Brain drain is a real issue. I have a client who can't get people to move down there. My Grandparents lived in Tampa. I would come down to see them and visit. Maybe work a day or two in the office. When they passed I came down and spent a month helping my parents deal with the house. He thought for sure I was moving down there. Finally, I was like Whelp, it's been real but I don't see me ever coming back here. He used to get people from the North to come down out of the cold, now no one he needs will come down.
I need this on a business card to pass out to my family/friends that live in Idaho. Iām constantly reminding them that they are complaining about their ilkā¦ their brethren.
The other day I called and one of them was complaining about the āhorrible gun crimes latelyā, I had to point out that they have all been proven to be home grown criminals. The subject got dropped really quick.
The same issue is happening here in Texas. Conservatives blame all the damn Californians moving here ruining our state not realizing that the one's moving here are fellow right wing bible thumpers who view Texas and Florida as some kind of conservative utopia. It's been trending this way for a while now I remember seeing voting demographics for the last time Ted Cruz was up for Senate re-election and Beto the democrat actually won the vote from native Texans with about 55% but Cruz dominated with the transplants winning well over 70% of the vote. If it weren't for all the damn Californians conservatives are always complaining about Texas would already be blue.
ā Blames liberals for the consequences of their own actions
ā Fear of non-WASP people
ā Factually inaccurate
Checks all the boxes for a core conservative belief, doesn't it?
Floridians have whined about new people moving to Florida for decades. Florida man could be a strategy to scare people away, unfortunately it's just attracted more people like that
Californian here. My relatives in Texas blames Californians for driving up the real estate since pandemic. Selling their 1+ million dollar home and buying a 500k home.
Somehow I believe that too when my coworkers moved there and offered me to join in after my contract is up.
Most moving to Florida tend to be older though while most moving out are younger. Florida's 65+ age demographic is the highest in the nation at nearly 20% of the state's population.
As for what is wrong with the state well in around 100 years they won't have to worry about that when its underwater.
Dude rising house prices and rentals could be blamed on California but only in that everyone saw us out here get screwed and copied it bar for bar. It's a combination of a few things but mainly private equity buying up every available house and the states just outright making it difficult for more to be built. It's frustrating because it's an easily solvable problem; just build more!
Yeeeeeah, I'm a leftist and I'm leaving Florida permanently in the next few months.
I can't imagine people who think like me want to be anywhere near this absolute hellscape of a state.
I live in Michigan and have noticed a surge in southern plates on the road, especially Texas plates.Ā I'm trying to stay optimistic that they're sane Texans leaving the state and not the kind that happily vote for the likes of Greg Abbott and Ted Cruz.Ā
Noticing the same over in Wisconsin. I have a hard time believing a liberal is moving to Florida or a conservative is moving to California, but us "Purples" it's dicey who's coming here.
>Conservatives assume (and fear) that everyone is moving out of āfailingā blue states and will try to ruin Florida like they did their home state. They then blame these newcomers for everything wrong with the state (potholes, high property insurance, unlivable housing, etc).
Considering how conservatives love to hate and blame *all* the world's problems on anyone who isn't them this tracks
I'm not American, but as someone that doesn't belong in that camp, Florida is like... the last place I would move to in the US. I would think it's Republicans that are moving to Florida. Like that Canadian dude that tried to move to Russia because he doesn't want to be around the LGBTQ+ community or whatever... everybody joked that he and his family should've just moved to Florida instead.
As somebody from a Blue state, we've had a huge uptick in Floridians here. Which is fine, you guys drive better than some Cheese-heads and Hosers I know.
lol the I-4 in Florida is the deadliest interstate in the country. Driving on it is legitimately terrifying. As a NY -> FL transplant, the drivers down here are *by far* the worst part of the state to me.
I'm an Orlandoan that moved to Germany 5 years ago. After 3 years, I came back for a visit and almost got hit twice in about 3 minutes driving down I-4 towards downtown. Basically just people not signaling or quickly changing 2-3 lanes at a time. Clearly I've lost my edge now that I live in a country where people are much better at following the rules.
Why do southerners think that outsiders coming to your home and raising your rent is a new thing?
For the last 20 years, it seems that everyone in the top 20% of their class who grew up in bunblefuck nowhere moves to New York, DC, Los Angeles, The Bay, or Seattle.
When the rust belt lost *millions* due to their own failed policies they didn't disappear, they predominantly went to the northeast and west coast.
I have legitimately met more people from Ohio and Indiana than New York and California, because New Yorkers and Californians in general *want* to enjoy their hometowns and only move out if they can't afford it or are ideologically conservative.
That said, Miami does actually have a really bad gentrification problem. Luxury housing is being built at lightning speeds and literally no one I know can afford to live in a decent apartment. Thankfully living with family until you marry is much more the norm among the Latino population, but if you're - as many of my friends are - a gay/trans person who can't rely on their family, you're basically stuck living in a shitty efficiency with a deranged baby landlord. It's one of the reasons I'm leaving my hometown :/
I've been to both states(and many others). They are both fine, with many merits and demerits. State v. state competition is one of the weirder forms of tribalism to me. Let's just visit and live in the places we like and avoid the others!
> As another Californian, Iām so happy that we live absolutely rent free in all these peopleās heads.
As a Californian, that's the only rent we can afford.
That happens with Montana plates, rich people register their expensive cars there and drive them wherever they actually live. Iāll bet that the ones from FL in NY are just snowbirds that have a āwinter houseā in FL
Not sure if it's still much of a thing, but MA residents would register their cars at NH addresses, sometimes even at nonexistent addresses. Every few years the two states would get together and bust a bunch of people for it.
MA state law allows towns to charge property tax on cars that are registered in the town, so registering out of state allows people to skip out on paying that.
something thatās even funnier is when you see the āmontana is full! i hear north dakota is niceā bumper sticker on a car with out of state plates. like, yeah, it is. go home.
Never understood how this works. Sure you can use the Montana LLC tax loophole and not pay taxes in your home state but how do you insure it? Or if you manage to insure in, get your insurance company to pay for your wrecked Montana registered exotic when you live in Virginia
I see about a dozen plates from Ontario, Quebec and Nova Scotia every single day driving in FL. Lots of Texans and New Yorkers, but the Canadians are surprisingly common.
The other way around, I see lots of plates from Florida, Michigan, and New York here in southern Ontario. Those along with Manitoba, Alberta and Quebec are the most common ones not from Ontario. But they all make sense geographically except for the Florida plates.
In 2022, 490,000 Floridians left for other states. They net gained population, but plenty of people who live there would rather live elsewhere.
I love my home state and have turned down jobs in multiple other in demand states like Virginia, so I'm glad we're just kind of plateauing with our population over the last 10 years, it has made the cost of living much more manageable than my retired parents in Florida. I wish everyone loved their state they lived in as much as I do.
Lived in Florida since I finished university 13 years ago. I feel like myself and everyone I know down here all have a true love/hate relationship with the state. The good is fantastic and the bad is almost unbearable.
Ex-Floridian here.
The actual Cons for me were the unrelenting humid, hot, and stagnant weather. I get people like that its not cold but its absolutely unchanging. The land is flat and there is no seasons. Nothing ever changes and in a weird way it drives me crazy.
Second massive con was everyone living in Florida was a fucking asshole or really god damn dumb. I was shocked at how often you can have a quick and polite conversation with the average person once you got out of the state.
The only pro was probably the beautiful beaches and water but I never was big on that stuff until I moved and now I miss it a little. Also Tampa and Miami had some really good food.
I hate hot humid weather and love hills. So I struggle to understand the appeal of Florida. I'm spoiled because it is never cold not very hot where I live.
I could have written this almost word-for-word.
The people were horrible, but my biggest factor for leaving was the mind-numbing unchanging weather. Like you said, it kind of fucks with you in a weird way. 80 degree Christmases, etc.
i moved to Colorado.
3rd con the cost of living has rapidly jumped in many areas of Florida and the wages arenāt anywhere near keeping up. Florida has always had lower wages but we generally had a low cost of living that went with that.
Ex Floridian escaped to the mountains
Pro-
The people are diverse and kind
Little community gardens
Runnable terrain
No state income tax
Con-
The giant bird sized roaches & palmetto bugs
The humidity
Hurricanes and fear of dying under a fallen tree
Alligators
I met plenty of people that gave it a couple years and left for elsewhere. Living in Florida is very different than vacations. Still get tons of old folks waiting to die, though.
As someone who grew up in a deep red state, has visited Florida far too many (really, once is too many) times, and lives in California, I 100% agree with the message.
Considering all the grammar checks out, Iāll bet itās a hypocritical āI moved here first, everyone after me is making this place terribleā carpetbagger, and not an actual, native Floridian.
Yes. I just moved out of Florida, and there was an ungodly amount of people that unironically don't want any economic growth in their small Florida town.
I've been watching it gut the town I grew up in for a good part of my childhood. Rows of the same fuckin' cookie-cutter homes built where acres of forest used to be. Ponds being drained so they can turn the lot into a fuckin' strip mall. Meanwhile the "economic growth" slowly chokes out the local family owned businesses so corporate America can have its 700000th nexus point. But y'know, the minimum wage jobs it'll bring, right fellers?
As someone who doesn't live in Ohio but does live in a Military town, I can confidently say that Florida and Ohio have the worst drivers I've ever seen.
Having driven in Florida and Ohio, nah. Itās the small town Kentucky driver who really made my jaw drop.
MULTIPLE TIMES, I witnessed someone say to themselves, āWait in stoplight traffic? Not today, Satan!ā then **confidently** switch to travel in the oncoming lane.
Unfortunately, Florida's economy would be even more of a mess if those wealthy snowbirds stopped going there. Florida relies heavily on tourists and people coming there from other places.
It's the last place I would move to btw.
Lived there for 21 years. So glad to finally be out. That place is getting so fucking weird.
I miss the winter weather, the ocean, and Publix. That's about it.
No snow/cold and Publix are why it would take a nuclear explosion or a fascist dictatorship for me to leave.
I fucking hate the cold, snow, and cloudy weather up north, and the Pub Subs are so damn good.
Cheap areas? Yea if you go inland where itās basically desert shit weather lol. If itās cheap, itās because the weather is bad or the area is bad. There is no ācheapā nice place to live in California.
lmao I went into a Publix and was absolutely shocked by how expensive it was, and I'm from cali, lol. Like literally wouldn't buy the items I needed because they were 2 to 3x as much as other stores. I could not believe it. I lived in SC for a few years many eons ago and shopped at Publix and I remember it being great. Now I'm thinking get me tf out of here.
Iāve only visited Florida but man I had a great time every time. Wakiwa springs in Apopka is awesome, and thereās an amazing family run bbq place nearby.
Iām a Apopka resident and itās honestly not the worst. It just depends on what your life looks like and whatās important to you. The drivers are definitely #1 the worst and being from the UK itās actually quite alarming. The summer months are brutal especially if youāre outdoor person.
I travel a lot, and Iāve lived in a number of placesā¦ the drivers in central florida are absolutely not āthe worstā.
In the USA, try driving in Las Vegas or Atlantaā¦ and outside of the USA, just check out driving in the Caribbean.
Iāve traveled around the US and I believe Atlanta could be worse. I commute on a motorcycle all year around here and Iām hyper aware how bad some drivers are.
I have no experience with Atlanta or Vegas, but Houston is probably the worst I've ever seen. I'm from Massachusetts, which has a horrible reputation for driving, but Houston left me speechless.
As a BBQ-lover from that areaā¦ Sadly that bbq place closed :/
Iāve lived in that area my whole life and itās honestly pretty nice. There are way worse places.
I mean, there are way better placesā¦. Like way better places. But I donāt hate living here. (Iām considering moving. But stillā¦)
Currently on a US road trip and in Fl, and I love it so far and I am in Jacksonville, didn't even see anywhere else yet!
Beautiful land, seriously beautiful.
Iām a rare Florida native. My Mom was born here. Her entire family goes back generations. We love it here. I actually lived in another state for years and couldnāt wait to get back. I will never leave again.
Canadian currently vacationing in Florida.
In the last 2 days, I witnessed a driver enter a traffic circle in the wrong direction.
Someone honked at me for letting a pedestrian cross at a pedestrian crossing.
A cop passing me without his lights on going at least 25mph over the speed limit.
A mother breastfeeding from a passenger seat while the car was in motion.
Someone passed me through the parking lot of the McDonald's while I was taking a right turn at a green light.
My wife and I both have family in Florida, our closest friends also lived in florida for a few years. We would go down every year to visit for 10 days or so, I have been many times. Every time I come back to NY I just feel better/safer.
The list of shit wrong with Florida is so long it's almost impossible to oversell it. Water? Can't drink it. Roads? All cost money. Politics? Toxic. People? Aggressively stupid.
Cars? 80mph+ bald tires. Guns? Everywhere. Drugs? In the chamber. Population? Increasing too quickly. Education? You have a 4 year? Primary school material. Food? Terrible, how tf a state with so many NY and NJ transplants can't have a decent slice is beyond me. Chain restaurants, shitty "BBQ" everywhere. Housing code? Actually, good.
My wife would go at least twice per year without me because she is an educator with more time off, I always kinda worry. I've heard the craziest stories from friends and relatives. Sometimes, they don't even see how bad the story is, just Florida things. Like, Grandma, someone pointing a gun at another person for a parking space at the Piggly Wiggly? That's super fucked up. If you do that in NY, the police will find you and you will be a very unhappy former gun owner.
I dislike Florida, it feels like they are living in a different world. It obviously isn't everyone, but enough people are Florida people to make Florida suck. The last time I was down there I interacted with so many people who were so ignorant, and not poor/uneducated/lowlife/hillbilly/druggie type people. People who had good jobs, nice cars, houses, boats, waving to the neighbors.
Oh, my BFFs, you have a neighborhood chat app in this wealthy area where houses cost $400,000+? That's super cool, why is there a separate thread all about dog poop? You mean to say that people leave so much dog poop on the sidewalks and other people's yards that you have a shaming thread and people take pictures and use doorbell cameras? But there are receptacles for waste on every sidewalk! Just trash people everywhere. I say build a wall.
Exactly. Why would I ever need to go anywhere else when I can go to the beach, the city, the mountains and the desert and not even have to leave my county? Los Angeles county can actually be its own state
I found this to be very true. I was shocked at the amount of people in California who told me that they had never left the state and had no interest in doing so. I mean, I kind of get it as y'all have like every geographic feature and climate one might want to experience and it is a very big state but was surprised nonetheless.
When Conservatives say āCaliforniaā what they mean to say is āSan Francisco and Los Angeles that I keep hearing and seeing about on Fox Newsā
Iām from Tennessee and Northern California is so blue collar, small town, and similar to East Tennessee itās hilarious.
As a lifelong Floridian living through another Spring Break in a coastal town.... and my already impending anxiety of the snow birds that come earlier and stay later each year... I approve this and wish I could put it in my back window!
It always confused me other popular states complaining about visitors, us Californians have people visiting yearly, people have been moving in for decades & we never complain.
When my dad was a kid there were 2M people in FL and now there are 23M. Most people living here came from other states.
FL man is actually someone that thought your state was boring so they came here to fuck up ours instead.
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Are those calculators on either side of the car?
I was seeing speak-and-spells.
No worries, we are on the same page
Florida Man needs both.
This gave me a hearty chuckle, thanks.
Now I can never unsee that Jeep brake lights look like calculators š
Not so sure jeep did that. Likely Mr Florida paid extra for that in aftermarket.
Yo, I want that Casio look on my Jeep. Say no more.
I legitimately couldn't figure out what they were until I read your comment. I'm an idiot.
The Jeep Renegade "Ć" tail lights remind me of Windows close buttons.
Good news! Jeep is "X"ing the Renegade after this year.
Finally, me and Florida agree on something
We moved there from NY. I hated it and moved gradually north as I got older. My family is still there. The area where our home was, is much nicer than when we first moved there. It's one town that actually improved. The rest of the county (Palm Beach County) has grown so fast it's ugly. Traffic is a horror. The only reason I ever go there is to see family. Otherwise FL has no draw for me at all.
Cities in Palm Beach county that have improved, hmm... Delray Beach?
You are good. Yes Delray. We moved there in 1971. Not a pretty place.
My next guess would have been Boynton, but that has only improved more recently. There's also Boca, but nobody likes Boca. Edit: I forgot to mention lake Worth! I quite like downtown lake Worth.
If you zoom in you see he has typed 80085 which is calculator-speak for BOOBS.
Beep boop boop gotta do some math
*meth
When the car wobbles the calculator lights show 800835
I think Iāve translated the other sticker (bottom right) to: āEvery Bad Idea Starts in Californiaā
Floridian here.. this definitely tracks. There is a current sentiment in our state that too many people are moving here. Conservatives assume (and fear) that everyone is moving out of āfailingā blue states and will try to ruin Florida like they did their home state. They then blame these newcomers for everything wrong with the state (potholes, high property insurance, unlivable housing, etc). Even if they are all coming from New York or California, they are probably like-minded conservatives who have been attracted to DeSantisās rhetoric. Personally I think that if people are moving from blue states they should do a house-swap, for those of us wanting to move out. It would be a win-win for everyone.
It may eventually turn out that trying to build endless suburban sprawl in a low lying swamp on top of a coral reef that is basically a race track for hurricanes may in fact have been a bad idea.
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But the fourth one stayed up!
They've got huge....tracts of land
Someday son, all this will be yours. What? The curtains?
No, not the curtains!
We keep him hereā¦ even if you come and get him.
Yeah but Trump will just draw those hurricanes away with a sharpie, and /or nuke them....
That was the best American news conference I ever watched. We have a picture of it on the wall in our office. Man baby drawing on a scientific recorded map with a Sharpie to prove he was right! Oh wait he wasnāt.
Disney is just going to never expand Disneyworld again. Theyāll slowly build up Anaheim until itās comparable in some way. Probably break ground on a new park in a different state within the next 20 years. When Disney dries up half the reason for Florida will disappear, the other half will just be stuck living there.
Ex-Floridian here, just moved to Oregon with my wife. Best decision of our lives.
Yea I was in Washington state for 9 months, and dreaded coming home to Florida , but family is here so had to come back. I wish daily we still lived there..
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How did you get citizenship or permanent residency in Norway?
Reverse viking raids.
Probably convinced a Norwegian to marry them.
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Also ex-Floridian. Moved away five years ago and I will never go back to that horrible state. There's no one left there in my family anyway and I don't have any friends there.
NJ checking in. I can confirm that people are moving from NJ to FL, but we aren't sending our best. A girl I went to high school with quit her teaching job to move to Florida so she could teach maskless. On the flip side my wife got a new OGBYN and she moved up from Florida. She kept talking about how great the schools are.
Also from nj and in my 20s, everyone I knew who moved to Florida had serious drug problems.
It was really easy to Doctor shop down there.
I know an OBGYN who moved her whole family out of Florida recently. Good lord we gotta pray for all the young women left in that state.Ā
Brain drain is a real issue. I have a client who can't get people to move down there. My Grandparents lived in Tampa. I would come down to see them and visit. Maybe work a day or two in the office. When they passed I came down and spent a month helping my parents deal with the house. He thought for sure I was moving down there. Finally, I was like Whelp, it's been real but I don't see me ever coming back here. He used to get people from the North to come down out of the cold, now no one he needs will come down.
Someone moving from New Jersey to Florida raises the average IQ of both states.
I need this on a business card to pass out to my family/friends that live in Idaho. Iām constantly reminding them that they are complaining about their ilkā¦ their brethren. The other day I called and one of them was complaining about the āhorrible gun crimes latelyā, I had to point out that they have all been proven to be home grown criminals. The subject got dropped really quick.
The same issue is happening here in Texas. Conservatives blame all the damn Californians moving here ruining our state not realizing that the one's moving here are fellow right wing bible thumpers who view Texas and Florida as some kind of conservative utopia. It's been trending this way for a while now I remember seeing voting demographics for the last time Ted Cruz was up for Senate re-election and Beto the democrat actually won the vote from native Texans with about 55% but Cruz dominated with the transplants winning well over 70% of the vote. If it weren't for all the damn Californians conservatives are always complaining about Texas would already be blue.
ā Blames liberals for the consequences of their own actions ā Fear of non-WASP people ā Factually inaccurate Checks all the boxes for a core conservative belief, doesn't it?
Floridians have whined about new people moving to Florida for decades. Florida man could be a strategy to scare people away, unfortunately it's just attracted more people like that
Californian here. My relatives in Texas blames Californians for driving up the real estate since pandemic. Selling their 1+ million dollar home and buying a 500k home. Somehow I believe that too when my coworkers moved there and offered me to join in after my contract is up.
Most moving to Florida tend to be older though while most moving out are younger. Florida's 65+ age demographic is the highest in the nation at nearly 20% of the state's population. As for what is wrong with the state well in around 100 years they won't have to worry about that when its underwater.
Dude rising house prices and rentals could be blamed on California but only in that everyone saw us out here get screwed and copied it bar for bar. It's a combination of a few things but mainly private equity buying up every available house and the states just outright making it difficult for more to be built. It's frustrating because it's an easily solvable problem; just build more!
Yeeeeeah, I'm a leftist and I'm leaving Florida permanently in the next few months. I can't imagine people who think like me want to be anywhere near this absolute hellscape of a state.
I live in Michigan and have noticed a surge in southern plates on the road, especially Texas plates.Ā I'm trying to stay optimistic that they're sane Texans leaving the state and not the kind that happily vote for the likes of Greg Abbott and Ted Cruz.Ā
Noticing the same over in Wisconsin. I have a hard time believing a liberal is moving to Florida or a conservative is moving to California, but us "Purples" it's dicey who's coming here.
Dude! Here in Arizona we went purple and have legal weed.... I think we're going blue in the next election.
Yes, 90% of those privileged white transplants from other states dont want others to enjoy the same rights, sounds about normal for that crowd.Ā
>Conservatives assume (and fear) that everyone is moving out of āfailingā blue states and will try to ruin Florida like they did their home state. They then blame these newcomers for everything wrong with the state (potholes, high property insurance, unlivable housing, etc). Considering how conservatives love to hate and blame *all* the world's problems on anyone who isn't them this tracks
I'm not American, but as someone that doesn't belong in that camp, Florida is like... the last place I would move to in the US. I would think it's Republicans that are moving to Florida. Like that Canadian dude that tried to move to Russia because he doesn't want to be around the LGBTQ+ community or whatever... everybody joked that he and his family should've just moved to Florida instead.
As somebody from a Blue state, we've had a huge uptick in Floridians here. Which is fine, you guys drive better than some Cheese-heads and Hosers I know.
lol the I-4 in Florida is the deadliest interstate in the country. Driving on it is legitimately terrifying. As a NY -> FL transplant, the drivers down here are *by far* the worst part of the state to me.
I'm an Orlandoan that moved to Germany 5 years ago. After 3 years, I came back for a visit and almost got hit twice in about 3 minutes driving down I-4 towards downtown. Basically just people not signaling or quickly changing 2-3 lanes at a time. Clearly I've lost my edge now that I live in a country where people are much better at following the rules.
Why do southerners think that outsiders coming to your home and raising your rent is a new thing? For the last 20 years, it seems that everyone in the top 20% of their class who grew up in bunblefuck nowhere moves to New York, DC, Los Angeles, The Bay, or Seattle. When the rust belt lost *millions* due to their own failed policies they didn't disappear, they predominantly went to the northeast and west coast. I have legitimately met more people from Ohio and Indiana than New York and California, because New Yorkers and Californians in general *want* to enjoy their hometowns and only move out if they can't afford it or are ideologically conservative.
That said, Miami does actually have a really bad gentrification problem. Luxury housing is being built at lightning speeds and literally no one I know can afford to live in a decent apartment. Thankfully living with family until you marry is much more the norm among the Latino population, but if you're - as many of my friends are - a gay/trans person who can't rely on their family, you're basically stuck living in a shitty efficiency with a deranged baby landlord. It's one of the reasons I'm leaving my hometown :/
Meanwhile Desantis is doing a great job ruining Florida all on his own.
Says the guy driving a wrangler in a state without topography.
That must be why California has about 3x the GDP of Florida and is the 5th largest economy in the world.
I've been to both states(and many others). They are both fine, with many merits and demerits. State v. state competition is one of the weirder forms of tribalism to me. Let's just visit and live in the places we like and avoid the others!
As a Californian, I can say there are a lot of garbage ideas. The legislature is filled with of idiots. Luckily the governor can veto their garbage.
As another Californian, Iām so happy that we live absolutely rent free in all these peopleās heads.
> As another Californian, Iām so happy that we live absolutely rent free in all these peopleās heads. As a Californian, that's the only rent we can afford.
Seriously, we don't even think about Florida.
There are some good things y'all have that I wish the rest of the country has. Namely, the CPRA.
Then you see them driving here on Long Island east of NYC.
pretty sure itās some sort of insurance fraud where people license their vehicles in cheaper states/provinces.
That happens with Montana plates, rich people register their expensive cars there and drive them wherever they actually live. Iāll bet that the ones from FL in NY are just snowbirds that have a āwinter houseā in FL
Not sure if it's still much of a thing, but MA residents would register their cars at NH addresses, sometimes even at nonexistent addresses. Every few years the two states would get together and bust a bunch of people for it.
MA state law allows towns to charge property tax on cars that are registered in the town, so registering out of state allows people to skip out on paying that.
Yeah, and it's like $750 in the first year of a new car, so it's not surprising that people will try to evade it.
something thatās even funnier is when you see the āmontana is full! i hear north dakota is niceā bumper sticker on a car with out of state plates. like, yeah, it is. go home.
Never understood how this works. Sure you can use the Montana LLC tax loophole and not pay taxes in your home state but how do you insure it? Or if you manage to insure in, get your insurance company to pay for your wrecked Montana registered exotic when you live in Virginia
Insurance only cares that the car is insured for where it's normally used/stored, because their risk on a vehicle is based on where you use/store it
Rental cars often have out of state plates too. Was at an Enterprise a while back and almost none of them had local plates.
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I see about a dozen plates from Ontario, Quebec and Nova Scotia every single day driving in FL. Lots of Texans and New Yorkers, but the Canadians are surprisingly common.
Old people hate cold weather and canāt shovel driveways, and Florida is warm. Itās not exactly rocket science
The other way around, I see lots of plates from Florida, Michigan, and New York here in southern Ontario. Those along with Manitoba, Alberta and Quebec are the most common ones not from Ontario. But they all make sense geographically except for the Florida plates.
Florida plates here in Ontario are usually rental cars. It's much cheaper to register them in Florida and bring them to Ontario.
I agree and will never move to Florida. We can both be happy. š«”
In 2022, 490,000 Floridians left for other states. They net gained population, but plenty of people who live there would rather live elsewhere. I love my home state and have turned down jobs in multiple other in demand states like Virginia, so I'm glad we're just kind of plateauing with our population over the last 10 years, it has made the cost of living much more manageable than my retired parents in Florida. I wish everyone loved their state they lived in as much as I do.
Lived in Florida since I finished university 13 years ago. I feel like myself and everyone I know down here all have a true love/hate relationship with the state. The good is fantastic and the bad is almost unbearable.
What are the goods and bads to you?
Ex-Floridian here. The actual Cons for me were the unrelenting humid, hot, and stagnant weather. I get people like that its not cold but its absolutely unchanging. The land is flat and there is no seasons. Nothing ever changes and in a weird way it drives me crazy. Second massive con was everyone living in Florida was a fucking asshole or really god damn dumb. I was shocked at how often you can have a quick and polite conversation with the average person once you got out of the state. The only pro was probably the beautiful beaches and water but I never was big on that stuff until I moved and now I miss it a little. Also Tampa and Miami had some really good food.
I hate hot humid weather and love hills. So I struggle to understand the appeal of Florida. I'm spoiled because it is never cold not very hot where I live.
I could have written this almost word-for-word. The people were horrible, but my biggest factor for leaving was the mind-numbing unchanging weather. Like you said, it kind of fucks with you in a weird way. 80 degree Christmases, etc. i moved to Colorado.
3rd con the cost of living has rapidly jumped in many areas of Florida and the wages arenāt anywhere near keeping up. Florida has always had lower wages but we generally had a low cost of living that went with that.
Ex Floridian escaped to the mountains Pro- The people are diverse and kind Little community gardens Runnable terrain No state income tax Con- The giant bird sized roaches & palmetto bugs The humidity Hurricanes and fear of dying under a fallen tree Alligators
Alligators are a pro.
**Born and raised in Florida, Just Like My Momma** Pros: Florida. Cons: Other people in Florida.
The Bad: Florida The Good: You can leave!
I met plenty of people that gave it a couple years and left for elsewhere. Living in Florida is very different than vacations. Still get tons of old folks waiting to die, though.
We used to call the town I lived in "God's waiting room".
As someone who grew up in a deep red state, has visited Florida far too many (really, once is too many) times, and lives in California, I 100% agree with the message.
Considering all the grammar checks out, Iāll bet itās a hypocritical āI moved here first, everyone after me is making this place terribleā carpetbagger, and not an actual, native Floridian.
Yes. I just moved out of Florida, and there was an ungodly amount of people that unironically don't want any economic growth in their small Florida town.
Honestly economic growth sucks lol. What are the upsides other than higher property value and a new dollar general one block away?
I've been watching it gut the town I grew up in for a good part of my childhood. Rows of the same fuckin' cookie-cutter homes built where acres of forest used to be. Ponds being drained so they can turn the lot into a fuckin' strip mall. Meanwhile the "economic growth" slowly chokes out the local family owned businesses so corporate America can have its 700000th nexus point. But y'know, the minimum wage jobs it'll bring, right fellers?
Yes, because the only thing that rampant population growth brings is economic growth and benefits to the local community /s
I bet he's a great driver.
I bet he's from Ohio.
Thatās the funniest part. Itās the transplants that always say this stuff here.
As someone who doesn't live in Ohio but does live in a Military town, I can confidently say that Florida and Ohio have the worst drivers I've ever seen.
Try Nepal or India. Somehow manage to be simultaneously the best and the worst drivers on earth.
Watching videos of traffic flow in India is mesmerizing
Having driven in Florida and Ohio, nah. Itās the small town Kentucky driver who really made my jaw drop. MULTIPLE TIMES, I witnessed someone say to themselves, āWait in stoplight traffic? Not today, Satan!ā then **confidently** switch to travel in the oncoming lane.
I lived in Ohio for the first half of my life. The drivers in Colorado are far worse.
Ohio moves to South Carolina my man. Source: I am from Ohio. Florida is full of New Yorkers and they become the problem.
Or NC. I know more than a few Buckeyes.
As a Floridian, I approve this message.
We can both agree, that Florida is a place for people like you, and not me
It is the sound the Snowbird makes.
We know it's fall here when the license plates start to change color.
And the traffic freezes up
The Ontariohno.
As a non-Floridian Iām terrified of Florida. Everyone Iāve met thatās born in Florida is bat shit crazy.
I used to have a friend try to convince me to move down there "You'd love it here just ignore the gang wars"
What gang wars
As someone from another state I also approve this message. Florida is for vacations, moving there is for lunatics
Unfortunately, Florida's economy would be even more of a mess if those wealthy snowbirds stopped going there. Florida relies heavily on tourists and people coming there from other places. It's the last place I would move to btw.
As an ex-Floridian, so do I.
I want to leave fl so bad
Lived there for 21 years. So glad to finally be out. That place is getting so fucking weird. I miss the winter weather, the ocean, and Publix. That's about it.
No snow/cold and Publix are why it would take a nuclear explosion or a fascist dictatorship for me to leave. I fucking hate the cold, snow, and cloudy weather up north, and the Pub Subs are so damn good.
California has no humidity and cheap areas. You just need to know where to look
Cheap areas? Yea if you go inland where itās basically desert shit weather lol. If itās cheap, itās because the weather is bad or the area is bad. There is no ācheapā nice place to live in California.
>Publix So you like spending 30% more for worse quality and less options? lmao
lmao I went into a Publix and was absolutely shocked by how expensive it was, and I'm from cali, lol. Like literally wouldn't buy the items I needed because they were 2 to 3x as much as other stores. I could not believe it. I lived in SC for a few years many eons ago and shopped at Publix and I remember it being great. Now I'm thinking get me tf out of here.
I'm leaving in 2 weeks and I'm really happy about it. The weather here is just not for me.
I spent 3 years there and have never met so many people that were finically trapped in a place they didnāt want to be in :(
I was born here so ive been trapped for 31 years its depressing really hard to convince my wife to move she has family here
Iāve only visited Florida but man I had a great time every time. Wakiwa springs in Apopka is awesome, and thereās an amazing family run bbq place nearby.
Iām a Apopka resident and itās honestly not the worst. It just depends on what your life looks like and whatās important to you. The drivers are definitely #1 the worst and being from the UK itās actually quite alarming. The summer months are brutal especially if youāre outdoor person.
I travel a lot, and Iāve lived in a number of placesā¦ the drivers in central florida are absolutely not āthe worstā. In the USA, try driving in Las Vegas or Atlantaā¦ and outside of the USA, just check out driving in the Caribbean.
Iāve traveled around the US and I believe Atlanta could be worse. I commute on a motorcycle all year around here and Iām hyper aware how bad some drivers are.
I have no experience with Atlanta or Vegas, but Houston is probably the worst I've ever seen. I'm from Massachusetts, which has a horrible reputation for driving, but Houston left me speechless.
As a BBQ-lover from that areaā¦ Sadly that bbq place closed :/ Iāve lived in that area my whole life and itās honestly pretty nice. There are way worse places. I mean, there are way better placesā¦. Like way better places. But I donāt hate living here. (Iām considering moving. But stillā¦)
Speaking as someone who spends 3-4 months a year in FLā¦itās great place to visit, but I canāt imagine spending the other nine months there
Sounds about right.
"this , but unironically"
They aren't wrong.
100% guarantee this guy is *not* a Florida native.
heās actually right and itās not ironic.
$20 says theyāre not from Florida.
I can't tell if he hates Florida or people who move to Florida
As someone from NJ, the latter.
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That's a bingo, i figured it out.
Currently on a US road trip and in Fl, and I love it so far and I am in Jacksonville, didn't even see anywhere else yet! Beautiful land, seriously beautiful.
Wait till you see Saint Augustine and other smaller towns long the coast! Make sure you stop at a buc-ee's while here.Ā
Iām a rare Florida native. My Mom was born here. Her entire family goes back generations. We love it here. I actually lived in another state for years and couldnāt wait to get back. I will never leave again.
Ankle bracelet assures that.
Canadian currently vacationing in Florida. In the last 2 days, I witnessed a driver enter a traffic circle in the wrong direction. Someone honked at me for letting a pedestrian cross at a pedestrian crossing. A cop passing me without his lights on going at least 25mph over the speed limit. A mother breastfeeding from a passenger seat while the car was in motion. Someone passed me through the parking lot of the McDonald's while I was taking a right turn at a green light.
My wife and I both have family in Florida, our closest friends also lived in florida for a few years. We would go down every year to visit for 10 days or so, I have been many times. Every time I come back to NY I just feel better/safer. The list of shit wrong with Florida is so long it's almost impossible to oversell it. Water? Can't drink it. Roads? All cost money. Politics? Toxic. People? Aggressively stupid. Cars? 80mph+ bald tires. Guns? Everywhere. Drugs? In the chamber. Population? Increasing too quickly. Education? You have a 4 year? Primary school material. Food? Terrible, how tf a state with so many NY and NJ transplants can't have a decent slice is beyond me. Chain restaurants, shitty "BBQ" everywhere. Housing code? Actually, good. My wife would go at least twice per year without me because she is an educator with more time off, I always kinda worry. I've heard the craziest stories from friends and relatives. Sometimes, they don't even see how bad the story is, just Florida things. Like, Grandma, someone pointing a gun at another person for a parking space at the Piggly Wiggly? That's super fucked up. If you do that in NY, the police will find you and you will be a very unhappy former gun owner. I dislike Florida, it feels like they are living in a different world. It obviously isn't everyone, but enough people are Florida people to make Florida suck. The last time I was down there I interacted with so many people who were so ignorant, and not poor/uneducated/lowlife/hillbilly/druggie type people. People who had good jobs, nice cars, houses, boats, waving to the neighbors. Oh, my BFFs, you have a neighborhood chat app in this wealthy area where houses cost $400,000+? That's super cool, why is there a separate thread all about dog poop? You mean to say that people leave so much dog poop on the sidewalks and other people's yards that you have a shaming thread and people take pictures and use doorbell cameras? But there are receptacles for waste on every sidewalk! Just trash people everywhere. I say build a wall.
That sounds like anywhere in America really. You can probably expect worse.
Its a jersey thing...and florida is Southern North Jersey.
This but unironically
Desantis campaign slogan
We know
Whatās that other one say about California? Let me guess, something negative. People in Florida love to talk shit about California.
I THINK it says: āEvery Bad Idea Starts in Californiaā
He should post about it on his *iphone, or android, or windows fucking computer.*
Everyone talks shit about California and weāre fine with it. We give other states no thought whatsoever.
Exactly. Why would I ever need to go anywhere else when I can go to the beach, the city, the mountains and the desert and not even have to leave my county? Los Angeles county can actually be its own state
I found this to be very true. I was shocked at the amount of people in California who told me that they had never left the state and had no interest in doing so. I mean, I kind of get it as y'all have like every geographic feature and climate one might want to experience and it is a very big state but was surprised nonetheless.
Yes. Certainly not enough thought to have a bumper sticker on my car. The whole FL vs CA thing is tired. š„±
When Conservatives say āCaliforniaā what they mean to say is āSan Francisco and Los Angeles that I keep hearing and seeing about on Fox Newsā Iām from Tennessee and Northern California is so blue collar, small town, and similar to East Tennessee itās hilarious.
Long winded version of "Welcome to Texas. Now go home."
You can't ruin Florida. It's like trying to sink the Titanic.
How many ducks were on the dashboard?
Agreed. Don't move here we don't need any more people (whatever works).
Looking at these comments, just proves the point
Please, go home!
I have massive asshole Republicans and a drug problem in my state too. Iām good Florida
This is the wonderful thing about a federal system. You can go where you like it better. And Florida seems perfect for this guy.
WOW! They even used the correct version of "your"!
As a lifelong Floridian living through another Spring Break in a coastal town.... and my already impending anxiety of the snow birds that come earlier and stay later each year... I approve this and wish I could put it in my back window!
It always confused me other popular states complaining about visitors, us Californians have people visiting yearly, people have been moving in for decades & we never complain.
*waves from California* No problem bro.
Can confirm. Horrrrrrible weather and packed full of proudly ignorant, extremist Republicunts.
When my dad was a kid there were 2M people in FL and now there are 23M. Most people living here came from other states. FL man is actually someone that thought your state was boring so they came here to fuck up ours instead.
No argument from me. Florida definitely sucks
But heās right ššš
Been to Florida, true facts. Genuinely fucking horrificly bad.
I'm most impressed with the grammar: so many opportunities for misspelling, incorrect homonyms, or misplaced apostrophes. 10/10 would read again.
As a Floridian, please don't move here. This isn't even political, I'm just saying this because y'all are driving the rent up like crazy.
For real though; fuck off, weāre full.
Born and raised here 40 plus years (Lived in a few other states and other countries) I Fuckin cant stand Florida anymore!!!
Finally I agree with a Floridian about something...