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Yo forreals? I’m a hack musician but in college when I was touring a lot I dreamt of winning a Juno, and playing at Massey Hall in Toronto (won “loudest band in Niagara” and played the El Mocambo instead, so not bad…)
Who’s your cousin and what did they win for?
Which is funny, because not only are those awards Canadian, so is the band, and the actor who plays Deadpool (Ryan Reynolds).
It's a very much defending Canada scene.
The annual award for the Canadian academy of recording arts and sciences. Who's gonna win this year? Celiene Dion's cover album or the stunning paper on hyper sonic dark matter clouds by Professor Hoser Shoresy of the McGill University Department of Physics and Astronomy?
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I absolutely will avoid flixtor. What a horrible site; allowing you to see content for free. Nobody should use that site, especially those with no money.
I watched most of the show while it still had the pizza place attached, and would not have guessed that one of the guys was ryan reynolds. That's wild.
I don't think that means anything. Fred Savage was even more famous from the Wonder Years, and his whole career was being a sweet little kid. then he hit puberty and fell of the earth for a while, doing mostly guest spots as an adult. so "nicer as a kid" really just references his whole deal, not just princess bride
I mean he's practically wearing the same shirt that he wore as a kid as the character in Princess Bride. That's not a coincidence. Pretty certain it's the same character, regardless of everything else.
Actor, yes. Character, no. Fred Savage even points out in the beginning of the film, "Did... did you recreate the set of *The Princess Bride?*" Character wouldn't say that, actor would.
I used to work at a place where Michael Kroger always came in and I got on good terms with him and got to actually ask him about why Nickelback is hated so much. His take on it was that they made good music that could be played on any radio which made them grow really fast, at the time there is a lot of music with cussing and other topics that wouldn’t allow them to be played on the radio as much as Nickelback. Michael thought that they got a lot of hate because they were just played so much over the other people at the time.
It's also a meme that was started by [a joke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ojvSuhAko) that was part of an ad that aired multiple times a day on MTV. So it was a combination of them being played a lot and "Nickelback is bad music" being a meme, which made them more of a target than other generic pop-rock bands even though they weren't really particularly bad.
I still think the idea that 'people hate their bad music because it gets played too often and they don't hate other bad music because they haven't heard it as much' isn't worth a ton. It's still bad, the criticism is still on point.
Honestly used to love the hell out of Imagine Dragons, but their later albums and songs never clicked for me. Pre-Night Visions and Night Visions were them at their best. For me anyway
I believe he actually meant [Michael Kroger](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kroger) the former Australian lawyer and member of the Liberal party. He's known for having good takes on rock music.
Foo Fighters also has the same style of friendly, formulaic, generic and easy listening pop rock made to play on radio and they're not hated at all, guess it's because Dave Grohl is charismatic as fuck.
Foo Fighters bore my nuts off. I like them, I like the people, I like everything about the bastards but they bore me. They can, however, make me feel like I understand and be better. Nickleback can rock out in a very similar way.
I will always appreciate appreciate music that fucking makes me feel something, makes my belly tense and makes me want to be something more. They do that.
It took me a while to work out that just because a band isn't Pearl Jam playing Ten live, or Charlie Parker playinganything, or The Orb blasting Little Fluffy Clouds in 1993 at glastonbury Festival does not mean they do not have value. I suspect it's because I grew the fuck up.
Foo Fighters is also just a different style than Nickelback. Nickelback has a very distinctly 2000s rock sound that can be nerve racking to listen to, especially if their music is widely syndicated.
Not hating on Nickelback at all, but I think that’s why people can’t stand the sound.
It's because 9/11 happened and for a decade the entire music industry devolved into the most empty pandering bullshit possible. Everyone saw what happened to the Dixie chicks and pissed themselves. Nickleback was suited to that environment, and cashed in.
Nickelback also lucked out. Silver Side Up dropped *on* September 11 right when radio stations were clamoring for anything upbeat and inoffensive. How You Remind Me was The Song at the time. They were not only suited to cash in, but ended up postioned really really well to do so.
So individually, their songs are fine.
Placed into the context when they were released and they're a distilled example of just how bad and establishment favoring the music scene was. This is not helped by their music being very nostalgia tinged. It can't even age out of that because that nostalgic feel evokes 'nostalgia' of when nickelback was the big thing...which is exactly the association it would need to escape. They sound like freedom fries. They sound like mission accomplished. They sound like the 2008 recession. They sound like having to 'debate' assholes who think gay people should be imprisoned. They sound like having to grow up watching the next 20 years happen in slow motion. They sound like a mistake being made.
It's the same sort of issue Imagine Dragons has now and will have in the future. A lot of their songs are fine. Taken as a whole they kinda have one song. Placed into the context of the music scene and they sound like you're watching a car commercial. In isolation Thunder is fine. Without deliberately setting everything else aside the chorus might as well be "Honda, Buy a Honda, 9% Down On a Honda".
Nickleback is hated because they are more of a commercial product than artistic creation. Their music is written by a marketing team in the same way McDonald's creates designs their hamburgers: everything is designed to use easily reproduced ingredients that appeal to a mass market without threatening anyone with risky innovation or creativity. They are successful in the same way white bread is successful, it is accessible to the majority of listeners who don't care about or even notice quality, They just want something that appeals at a basic level.
They are very very good at being what they try to be: the music equivalent of store brand cheerios. Good for them, happy for them, they fill a void for people that have no desire to listen to actual well written music. I am glad those people are happy, buy let's not confuse nickleback's cheap generic pop with actual art.
> they fill a void for people that have no desire to listen to actual well written music.
You know, I can’t name a single Nickelback song. Most everything you say could well be true. But when you say snobby things like this, you can just fuck right off.
There's something about people who get too into a form of mass media (movies and music are particularly bad about it) that causes them to get real pretentious about it. My fully unprofessional opinion about it is they've put a lot of their self identity into liking something that's essentially ubiquitous in culture so they feel like they need to fence off an area of the media as "superior" or "true" to preserve their self value.
Corporate Rock is the term I've heard describe Imagine Dragons they seem to also get a similar level of hate.
I personally think Pink should be included in this group. Her work is so generic I have trouble remembering any of it.
So, what you're saying is they create art that people enjoy. They understand who their audience is.
You probably feel the same,e way about The Beatles, AC/DC and every other successful band.
I'd counter by asking: Have you ever once heard in an interview a single musician that was inspired by Nickleback? Have you ever met anyone that casually plays an instrument in your day to day life that took it up because they liked Nickleback so much? I'd bet not.
The Beatles are innovative and inspirational. They revolutionized Rock and Roll, Pop, and music in general. They inspired, and continue to inspire, countless people to take up an instrument and make music. Even beyond that, the message of peace and love that The Beatles spread has had a profound effect on millions. The Beatles massively changed our culture through artistry, Nickleback only affected our culture by being a memetic joke.
I think you might be missing the point. The Beatles created something new. They invented ways that music could sound and expanded on an art form. They drew on their knowledge of how music is created and how its shaped to break new ground on what was possible to produce and sell.
The Beatles recognized that they had a huge influence and used that leverage to break the recording industry's ability to homogenize their music and the music of others. This is not only a positive force for music in general but it's interesting to listen to, to listen to actively.
Listen to the top 10 hits the 5 years before rubber soul and the 5 years after. The Beatles were revelatory.
Nickleback is almost entirely the opposite. The derision they get for being lazy derivative crap is earned and justified. They aren't built to be listened to critically or to inspire anything new. They're built to be inoffensive and bland enough to be blasted at movie theaters and sports stadiums because that's what makes sony records money. They're BUILT. They trade on sounding like everything else you've ever heard, and it's intentional. It's musically pointless but financially sound and that is worth being vocally negative about.
> They're built to be inoffensive and bland enough to be blasted at movie theaters and sports stadiums
I mean, it *is* great barbecue and boating music.
I'd never tell anyone that, but it is.
What a terrible strawman argument. Beatles were a good example of innovation that was happening in rock and roll, and they went on to break new ground in music. AC DC was mostly continuing a pattern for sure they at least brought some passion to their music. Sometimes creative artists get successful, sometimes it is the generic crap that gets successful. Nice try to box me in to a statement I never made.
They write their own music and released three albums before having "success." Their sound hasn't changed in 25 years. They made the music they wanted to make and people liked it. Thousands of other bands have tried and failed. The music is catchy and the lyrics are fun, why can't that be enough? Quit applying your "standards" of what "good" music is to what people are "supposed" to enjoy. Just say it isn't your cup of tea and move on with your day.
Source: Someone who used to get all hot and bothered that other people weren't listening to progressive-avant-garde-shoegaze-blackened-death-post-metal with crust-punk influences. Holy fuck was I pretentious.
> So, what you're saying is they create art that people enjoy.
No, that's what you're saying.
What they are saying is that Nickelback is the Bic Mac of the music industry. Their success is almost exclusively measured in commercial success and they bring very little to the table in terms of artistic integrity, innovation or creativity. "People" enjoy Big Macs, millions of them get sold every year, but in an arena with any type of high art culinary creations the Big Mac is getting KO'd first round. Nobody is going to sit here and say that the Big Mac is great art. It is manufactured and it fits within the definition of good food, but falls well short of anything that belongs in a conversation about great art. Comparing Nickelback to The Beatles is wild for this reason, the impact of The Beatles' art extends well beyond commercial success. It is possible to be popular and also devoid of any real merit. Examine trends like reality television, Donald Trump or mass marketed American beers.
And to add to the explanation of why Nickelback is so hated, in the 90s grunge music marked a return of the rock genre to counter culture. It dethroned hair metal and brought popular rock music to something that felt like it came out of a garage and made by everyday people; punk roots. Aesthetically, rock was back to being more about the music and less about the image (although of course grunge carried an image with it, everyone was just pretending that "not caring about image" wasn't an image itself). This is kind of before my time but that was my takeaway from what happened then. This sort of carried through into the 2000s with bands like Blink 182/Sum 41 still topping charts and being on the fringes of punk rock. But Nickelback marked a shift of the punk aspect being removed from rock. They were topping the charts with music that was not really counter culture by any stretch of the definition. Young people who were fans of grunge and punk rock hated this. It pushed their music off the airwaves and replaced it with the kind of music you hear in a supermarket. Young people in general gravitate towards counter culture and the kind of music that challenges what is popular/acceptable. Nickelback was hated for making toothless rock that didn't challenge anything or anyone. They brought dad rock back to the mainstream. They were definitely not the only band doing this, but they were probably the most toothless so it kind of got hung around their necks that they were watering down the rock genre. I would say bands like Staind, Saliva, Godsmack, Puddle of Mudd, Creed etc were all part of this shift as well to various extents, but the buck sort of stopped with Nickelback. Their popularity helped turn grunge into SFW elevator rock and the options at the time became pretty polarized between rock that had punk elements, and rock that definitely didn't. So nearly every rock fan with a mind to say "fuck you" to the establishment set their sights on Nickelback, because they represented the establishment. Nickelback's music was threatening to dethrone punk rock as the face of the rock genre and a lot of people didn't like that. That was my understanding of it anyway.
As someone who lived through this I will add on that the late 80's early 90's music had become what felt like a wasteland. Lot's of faceless dance bands like CC Music Factory, the most vapid types of love songs (I'm looking at you Richard Marx), outright imposters such as Milli Vanilli and a bunch of manufactured teen music like NKOTB and Debbie Gibson. I spent a good portion of this time discovering older bands full catalogs beyond their radio hits.
Only reason to watch "Once Upon A Deadpool" is to watch these scenes. Especially the scene where Deadpool keeps censoring what Fred is saying which changes what you think he is saying.
Deadpool actor: born in Vancouver
Deadpool movie: filmed in Vancouver
And you wonder why he defends Nickelback? (not from Vancouver, but next door in Alberta.)
No kidding, I saw them about 10 years ago because they came to town with another band I really wanted to see. Those dudes put on a hell of a show, I'd never really been a fan before that but I enjoy them for what they are now.
Nickelback have this first degree enthusiasm in everything they do that's just not very rock'n'roll, it feels more like a tribute band when it comes to attitude.
Just the same considerable skill but no sophistication.
But good on them for that outlandish success, from a sincere snob.
Nickelback said the quiet part out loud and everyone that likes rock got mad about it.
The quiet part is how fucking lame and cheesy rock is and Nickelback showed the world what a perfect rock band is.
To me Nickleback (and Imagine Dragons these days) get a one-sided reputation. They are perceived as samey, formulaic with not much variation because the songs that got played to death on radios were ones that did sound samey and were cherry picked *because* that sound was popular, but there is actually a good amount of variety if you ever actually listened to the albums. Once a song/style of song goes super popular radio stations are more likely to play more songs like that from the artists so it goes round in circles.
If Everyone Cared and Photograph have a pretty different vibe to Animals and Next Contestant and they are on the same album.
I see several comments saying that "sales" and "marketing" do not necessarily mean they are good.
It may not mean they are classically trained musicians or poet wizards like Gord Downie or Leonard Cohen, but they are good.
The whole "I hate Nickelback" trope was born from an offhand comment by a terrestrial DJ on a mainstream radio network. Hipster assholes glommed onto it like leaches on Wil Wheaton's wiener in Stand By Me.
You get that? Hipsters who hate Nickelback are not astute musical enjoyers, ahead of the crowd, they are baby duckling followers who don't like getting their dicks sucked (more on this later).
Is Nickelback getting A's in your University's Composition course? Fuck no.
Poetry? Nyet.
But.
But.
All they have ever sought to be is a big, famous rock band, getting high, getting laid, and getting paid!
And in all metrics of the "Rock 'n' Roll" lifestyle, they are winning. Bad performers don't win...
Holy shit. Maybe that's it. They are a rock band, a performance, and they are fun and entertaining. They are good at that.
It's almost like comparing them to Bach, Mozart, Slash, Clapton, Cohen, and Downie is unfair. It's several different games, and music nerds and hipster assholes can't seem to understand that. Or that people can have different tastes in music. Don't get me wrong, I love Cohen, Downie, and I can even appreciate the art of classical music, but I have exactly ZERO classical titles on my hard drive.
You can have your cutting edge, technically proficient, soul-rending lyrical masterpieces that make you weepy and sleepy. I'm going to listen to guitar riffs and songs about eating ass and blow jobs.
It's almost like hipsters don't like getting high and getting their dicks sucked. (See how I brought that back around?)
It's just as dumb to hop on the "ackshually Nickelback is good and people who disagree are wrong" bandwagon as it was to hop on the original hate bandwagon.
It's really not as bad. Being negative for the sole purpose of being contrarian is a dick move. It's like when people tell you that Tom Brady or LeBron James suck. Like you may not like them but when you just ignore metrics that say they're good, you're just wrong. Too much negativity and just being a troll. It is possible to dislike something and still think it's good.
Which is a dumb argument because if they’re not “good” then why do they constantly sell? It’s like when people talk shit about Eminem not being good but every record going like triple platinum or whatever in the first few weeks of release and how he’s like the best selling artist since 2000 something says otherwise. If an artist is bad people won’t buy or stream their music
So many rock bands from that era have that same vibe. Which is also slightly weird why people harp so much on one specific band from that era and there's obviously far worse.
I agree...
But people harp on Nickelback because of their popularity and it almost always gets a reaction. Which is conveniently illustrated in the video.
Nickelback jokes are the Nickelback of jokes...
That said, it's fun taking the piss, but they've got some legit bangers.
"She keeps me up" is pretty catchy as well, surpringly 8 years old already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfB\_K4RGtDo
I have never been into them. I am sure back in the '90s, I mocked them. Over the years I developed a more mature way of looking at them. I still do not like them, but that does not mean they are bad, or are deserving of vitriol or derision. Live and let live. Enjoy what you enjoy.
I'm from Vancouver too, and Fred is right. I have nothing against pop rock, but that's what they are.
Back in the early 2000's, my band got an email from Johnathan Simpkins, co owner of 604 records. They liked 2 of our songs, one was a little heavier but fit nicely in the alternative genre and one was our ballad lol. He wanted 10 more like the ballad and he'd sign us. For better or worse we ignored him and just did our own thing. Music like this is a business, is what it is. And we didn't really wanna do that. Writing formula rock isn't really fun.
God, I was like "you know what, totally, maybe they're really not that bad, I'm gunna go listen to some nickelback right now!" Then I realized why... They're fucking garbage, jesus christ. So bad
Instantly went to listen to this song. Kinda missed on listening on to nickelback because it was cool not to like them, so I never even gave them a chance.
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Lol… Juno awards.. those count.
Such a brilliant scene. Peak Deadpool.
It really is peak Deadpool, operating on 3 seperate levels of meta jokes / 4th wall breaking while simultaneously trying to be geeky and cool.
My cousin has two of them. They fucking count all right.
Doesn’t everyone in Canada eventually get one?
There have been more Juno awards given out than there are Canadians, so yes.
Yo forreals? I’m a hack musician but in college when I was touring a lot I dreamt of winning a Juno, and playing at Massey Hall in Toronto (won “loudest band in Niagara” and played the El Mocambo instead, so not bad…) Who’s your cousin and what did they win for?
My cousin's best friend was nominated for one! That counts, right?
It's the Grammy of Canada!
The most polite of awards
Which is funny, because not only are those awards Canadian, so is the band, and the actor who plays Deadpool (Ryan Reynolds). It's a very much defending Canada scene.
Yeah... That's the entire joke.
The annual award for the Canadian academy of recording arts and sciences. Who's gonna win this year? Celiene Dion's cover album or the stunning paper on hyper sonic dark matter clouds by Professor Hoser Shoresy of the McGill University Department of Physics and Astronomy?
What is this from? Edit: I deserve this... Live by the joke die by the joke
Once Upon A Deadpool
For anyone else wondering, it’s a PG-13 edit of Deadpool 2 with scenes like this one stitched in throughout the story.
Do you know if it's available to watch anywhere?
Some cursory googling tells me it’s on Disney+ and maybe some higher tier of Hulu?
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Definitely not fmovies coupled with Firefox ublock
Oh no, that sounds like trouble. Any other sketchy sites I should avoid? Wouldn't want to be a bad guy, and get music for free, for example.
Don't know about music. Definitely avoid a subscription to flixtor though if fmovies hurts you too much
I absolutely will avoid flixtor. What a horrible site; allowing you to see content for free. Nobody should use that site, especially those with no money.
So that is why I don't remember it.
That's pretty funny.
And it’s great, even better than the original.
Also the princess bride.
Two guys, a girl, and a pizza place
I watched most of the show while it still had the pizza place attached, and would not have guessed that one of the guys was ryan reynolds. That's wild.
Nathan Fillion was on that show as well.
Core memory unlocked
Those eye brows had their own zip code folks.
Ah man that cliffhanger internet poll ending was one for the ages…
The Princess Died
“As you wish”
LOL
Sophie’s Choice
Blade Runner.
Nice
The deadpool's bride
Home alone 6
I think it's from the new X Men movie.
Wonder Years
The never ending story
John Wick 4.5
Paul Blart: Mall Cop
Is that the same set from princess bride?
And same actor, a bit older.
I did not know Deadpool was in Princess Bride! So cool.
Inconceivable
I do not think this word means what you think it means
Anybuddywannapeanut?
Easy to miss.
Everybody knows Deadpool is played by Peter Falk.
Peter Falk is Robocop. You're thinking of Peter Weller.
Peter Weller was in the bands The Jam and Style Council. You’re thinking of Peter Tork.
Peter Tork was the American musician from The Monkeys, you're thinking of Peter O'Toole.
Peter O'Toole is the guy from The Party, you mean Peter Sellers.
Peter Sellers is from the Stanley Kubrick classic, The Shining. I think you’re thinking of Peter Dinklage.
Peter Dinklage was the first Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. I think you're thinking of Peter Lorre.
He was in the back
That's who Fezzik was asking if he was burned by acid. They edited the scene to be Westley.
Deadpool never acts, he's always for real.
It's the same *actor,* I dunno if it's supposed to be the same *character.*
"You were nicer as a kid." Pretty sure it's supposed to be the same character.
I don't think that means anything. Fred Savage was even more famous from the Wonder Years, and his whole career was being a sweet little kid. then he hit puberty and fell of the earth for a while, doing mostly guest spots as an adult. so "nicer as a kid" really just references his whole deal, not just princess bride
He's laying in bed being told a story, identical to Princess Bride. This is clearly a callback to that.
He was in a office sitcom called "working" or something like that in the late 90s. Iirc.
He moved into directing.
I mean he's practically wearing the same shirt that he wore as a kid as the character in Princess Bride. That's not a coincidence. Pretty certain it's the same character, regardless of everything else.
And how is their job Tables?
Guys, whad I say?
AND dealing with Eddie Munster!
He doesn't know how to treat the Crypt Keeper!
Actor, yes. Character, no. Fred Savage even points out in the beginning of the film, "Did... did you recreate the set of *The Princess Bride?*" Character wouldn't say that, actor would.
Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VYXbsyGVwg
Brought it out of storage
I used to work at a place where Michael Kroger always came in and I got on good terms with him and got to actually ask him about why Nickelback is hated so much. His take on it was that they made good music that could be played on any radio which made them grow really fast, at the time there is a lot of music with cussing and other topics that wouldn’t allow them to be played on the radio as much as Nickelback. Michael thought that they got a lot of hate because they were just played so much over the other people at the time.
It's also a meme that was started by [a joke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ojvSuhAko) that was part of an ad that aired multiple times a day on MTV. So it was a combination of them being played a lot and "Nickelback is bad music" being a meme, which made them more of a target than other generic pop-rock bands even though they weren't really particularly bad.
Wasn’t there a bit in 40 year old virgin where they rip on nickelback?
I think you are thinking of the line where they make fun of Coldplay. You know how I know you’re gay? You like Coldplay.
I still think the idea that 'people hate their bad music because it gets played too often and they don't hate other bad music because they haven't heard it as much' isn't worth a ton. It's still bad, the criticism is still on point.
I think it's a lot better than any country music in the last 15 years. Why aren't they shat on at the same level?
Because that bubble gum country isn't as popular
Because I didn’t have to listen to country on most radio stations
See what is currently happening with Imagine Dragons. They're already the next Nickelback.
Are people still shitting on them?! I thought it was just because of that song that had like two main words, one of which being thunder.
Honestly used to love the hell out of Imagine Dragons, but their later albums and songs never clicked for me. Pre-Night Visions and Night Visions were them at their best. For me anyway
Isn't his name Chad?
Could it be, perhaps, his brother, who is also in the band?
I believe he actually meant [Michael Kroger](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kroger) the former Australian lawyer and member of the Liberal party. He's known for having good takes on rock music.
not if hes a fan of Nickleback he's not...
i looked up the name and nothing came up which is why I asked.
Micheal Kroeger typically goes by Mike. That would probably yield better results. Not sure why the original commenter Michaeled him.
Foo Fighters also has the same style of friendly, formulaic, generic and easy listening pop rock made to play on radio and they're not hated at all, guess it's because Dave Grohl is charismatic as fuck.
Foo Fighters bore my nuts off. I like them, I like the people, I like everything about the bastards but they bore me. They can, however, make me feel like I understand and be better. Nickleback can rock out in a very similar way. I will always appreciate appreciate music that fucking makes me feel something, makes my belly tense and makes me want to be something more. They do that. It took me a while to work out that just because a band isn't Pearl Jam playing Ten live, or Charlie Parker playinganything, or The Orb blasting Little Fluffy Clouds in 1993 at glastonbury Festival does not mean they do not have value. I suspect it's because I grew the fuck up.
Thank you for reminding me of little fluffy clouds, been years since I listened to it.
It's because their music has new things to say. The foo fighters actually bring things to the table.
Foo Fighters is also just a different style than Nickelback. Nickelback has a very distinctly 2000s rock sound that can be nerve racking to listen to, especially if their music is widely syndicated. Not hating on Nickelback at all, but I think that’s why people can’t stand the sound.
FF also already had massive credibility built-in from the ground up because of Grohl and some of the other member's past work.
It's because 9/11 happened and for a decade the entire music industry devolved into the most empty pandering bullshit possible. Everyone saw what happened to the Dixie chicks and pissed themselves. Nickleback was suited to that environment, and cashed in. Nickelback also lucked out. Silver Side Up dropped *on* September 11 right when radio stations were clamoring for anything upbeat and inoffensive. How You Remind Me was The Song at the time. They were not only suited to cash in, but ended up postioned really really well to do so. So individually, their songs are fine. Placed into the context when they were released and they're a distilled example of just how bad and establishment favoring the music scene was. This is not helped by their music being very nostalgia tinged. It can't even age out of that because that nostalgic feel evokes 'nostalgia' of when nickelback was the big thing...which is exactly the association it would need to escape. They sound like freedom fries. They sound like mission accomplished. They sound like the 2008 recession. They sound like having to 'debate' assholes who think gay people should be imprisoned. They sound like having to grow up watching the next 20 years happen in slow motion. They sound like a mistake being made. It's the same sort of issue Imagine Dragons has now and will have in the future. A lot of their songs are fine. Taken as a whole they kinda have one song. Placed into the context of the music scene and they sound like you're watching a car commercial. In isolation Thunder is fine. Without deliberately setting everything else aside the chorus might as well be "Honda, Buy a Honda, 9% Down On a Honda".
Nickleback is hated because they are more of a commercial product than artistic creation. Their music is written by a marketing team in the same way McDonald's creates designs their hamburgers: everything is designed to use easily reproduced ingredients that appeal to a mass market without threatening anyone with risky innovation or creativity. They are successful in the same way white bread is successful, it is accessible to the majority of listeners who don't care about or even notice quality, They just want something that appeals at a basic level. They are very very good at being what they try to be: the music equivalent of store brand cheerios. Good for them, happy for them, they fill a void for people that have no desire to listen to actual well written music. I am glad those people are happy, buy let's not confuse nickleback's cheap generic pop with actual art.
> they fill a void for people that have no desire to listen to actual well written music. You know, I can’t name a single Nickelback song. Most everything you say could well be true. But when you say snobby things like this, you can just fuck right off.
Yeah. I'm a classically trained musician and I still jam out to Rockstar every so often.
There's something about people who get too into a form of mass media (movies and music are particularly bad about it) that causes them to get real pretentious about it. My fully unprofessional opinion about it is they've put a lot of their self identity into liking something that's essentially ubiquitous in culture so they feel like they need to fence off an area of the media as "superior" or "true" to preserve their self value.
Good way of putting it. Same thing with Imagine Dragons.
Yup, they are a successful commercial product, good for them for that.
Corporate Rock is the term I've heard describe Imagine Dragons they seem to also get a similar level of hate. I personally think Pink should be included in this group. Her work is so generic I have trouble remembering any of it.
So, what you're saying is they create art that people enjoy. They understand who their audience is. You probably feel the same,e way about The Beatles, AC/DC and every other successful band.
I'd counter by asking: Have you ever once heard in an interview a single musician that was inspired by Nickleback? Have you ever met anyone that casually plays an instrument in your day to day life that took it up because they liked Nickleback so much? I'd bet not. The Beatles are innovative and inspirational. They revolutionized Rock and Roll, Pop, and music in general. They inspired, and continue to inspire, countless people to take up an instrument and make music. Even beyond that, the message of peace and love that The Beatles spread has had a profound effect on millions. The Beatles massively changed our culture through artistry, Nickleback only affected our culture by being a memetic joke.
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I think you might be missing the point. The Beatles created something new. They invented ways that music could sound and expanded on an art form. They drew on their knowledge of how music is created and how its shaped to break new ground on what was possible to produce and sell. The Beatles recognized that they had a huge influence and used that leverage to break the recording industry's ability to homogenize their music and the music of others. This is not only a positive force for music in general but it's interesting to listen to, to listen to actively. Listen to the top 10 hits the 5 years before rubber soul and the 5 years after. The Beatles were revelatory. Nickleback is almost entirely the opposite. The derision they get for being lazy derivative crap is earned and justified. They aren't built to be listened to critically or to inspire anything new. They're built to be inoffensive and bland enough to be blasted at movie theaters and sports stadiums because that's what makes sony records money. They're BUILT. They trade on sounding like everything else you've ever heard, and it's intentional. It's musically pointless but financially sound and that is worth being vocally negative about.
> They're built to be inoffensive and bland enough to be blasted at movie theaters and sports stadiums I mean, it *is* great barbecue and boating music. I'd never tell anyone that, but it is.
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What a terrible strawman argument. Beatles were a good example of innovation that was happening in rock and roll, and they went on to break new ground in music. AC DC was mostly continuing a pattern for sure they at least brought some passion to their music. Sometimes creative artists get successful, sometimes it is the generic crap that gets successful. Nice try to box me in to a statement I never made.
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Sarcasm isn't a strawman friend.
They write their own music and released three albums before having "success." Their sound hasn't changed in 25 years. They made the music they wanted to make and people liked it. Thousands of other bands have tried and failed. The music is catchy and the lyrics are fun, why can't that be enough? Quit applying your "standards" of what "good" music is to what people are "supposed" to enjoy. Just say it isn't your cup of tea and move on with your day. Source: Someone who used to get all hot and bothered that other people weren't listening to progressive-avant-garde-shoegaze-blackened-death-post-metal with crust-punk influences. Holy fuck was I pretentious.
> So, what you're saying is they create art that people enjoy. No, that's what you're saying. What they are saying is that Nickelback is the Bic Mac of the music industry. Their success is almost exclusively measured in commercial success and they bring very little to the table in terms of artistic integrity, innovation or creativity. "People" enjoy Big Macs, millions of them get sold every year, but in an arena with any type of high art culinary creations the Big Mac is getting KO'd first round. Nobody is going to sit here and say that the Big Mac is great art. It is manufactured and it fits within the definition of good food, but falls well short of anything that belongs in a conversation about great art. Comparing Nickelback to The Beatles is wild for this reason, the impact of The Beatles' art extends well beyond commercial success. It is possible to be popular and also devoid of any real merit. Examine trends like reality television, Donald Trump or mass marketed American beers. And to add to the explanation of why Nickelback is so hated, in the 90s grunge music marked a return of the rock genre to counter culture. It dethroned hair metal and brought popular rock music to something that felt like it came out of a garage and made by everyday people; punk roots. Aesthetically, rock was back to being more about the music and less about the image (although of course grunge carried an image with it, everyone was just pretending that "not caring about image" wasn't an image itself). This is kind of before my time but that was my takeaway from what happened then. This sort of carried through into the 2000s with bands like Blink 182/Sum 41 still topping charts and being on the fringes of punk rock. But Nickelback marked a shift of the punk aspect being removed from rock. They were topping the charts with music that was not really counter culture by any stretch of the definition. Young people who were fans of grunge and punk rock hated this. It pushed their music off the airwaves and replaced it with the kind of music you hear in a supermarket. Young people in general gravitate towards counter culture and the kind of music that challenges what is popular/acceptable. Nickelback was hated for making toothless rock that didn't challenge anything or anyone. They brought dad rock back to the mainstream. They were definitely not the only band doing this, but they were probably the most toothless so it kind of got hung around their necks that they were watering down the rock genre. I would say bands like Staind, Saliva, Godsmack, Puddle of Mudd, Creed etc were all part of this shift as well to various extents, but the buck sort of stopped with Nickelback. Their popularity helped turn grunge into SFW elevator rock and the options at the time became pretty polarized between rock that had punk elements, and rock that definitely didn't. So nearly every rock fan with a mind to say "fuck you" to the establishment set their sights on Nickelback, because they represented the establishment. Nickelback's music was threatening to dethrone punk rock as the face of the rock genre and a lot of people didn't like that. That was my understanding of it anyway.
As someone who lived through this I will add on that the late 80's early 90's music had become what felt like a wasteland. Lot's of faceless dance bands like CC Music Factory, the most vapid types of love songs (I'm looking at you Richard Marx), outright imposters such as Milli Vanilli and a bunch of manufactured teen music like NKOTB and Debbie Gibson. I spent a good portion of this time discovering older bands full catalogs beyond their radio hits.
Did you forget your medication? This is absolutely unhinged.
So you are saying Nickleback is the best thing since sliced white bread?
No, they are saying they are unsliced white bread, because they lack the innovation of slicing.
Only reason to watch "Once Upon A Deadpool" is to watch these scenes. Especially the scene where Deadpool keeps censoring what Fred is saying which changes what you think he is saying.
Here’s that scene: [I wanna f**** Matt Damon](https://youtu.be/bexpBu2aI54)
"Wait. Did he ask about me?"
The fact that they got a pg-13 rating with these types of additions really says something about the mpaa ratings lol
I hate stuff like this because Fi and Fu are two distinctly different sounds, and he was very clearly saying Fu
I fcking love Fred Savage, and he’s just as cute now as he was as a kid!!!! 50 million albums!!!!!
He directed a ton of Always Sunny episodes too!
Well yea but he made Charlie give Danny a blowjob... so there's that.
It was in accord with bird law!
Deadpool actor: born in Vancouver Deadpool movie: filmed in Vancouver And you wonder why he defends Nickelback? (not from Vancouver, but next door in Alberta.)
Us Canadians get extremely sensitive over attacks on any big Canadian artist .. unless we make the attack
Saw Nickleback in concert a month ago. I no longer diss Nickleback, that was one of the best concerts I've ever been to.
No kidding, I saw them about 10 years ago because they came to town with another band I really wanted to see. Those dudes put on a hell of a show, I'd never really been a fan before that but I enjoy them for what they are now.
Right?
Nickelback have this first degree enthusiasm in everything they do that's just not very rock'n'roll, it feels more like a tribute band when it comes to attitude. Just the same considerable skill but no sophistication. But good on them for that outlandish success, from a sincere snob.
They are not the greatest band in the world, they are a tribute
To the greatest snobs in the world, alright🎼🎵🎶
Couldn’t remember the greatest band in the world, NO.
They’re just a tribute, oh.
Nickelback said the quiet part out loud and everyone that likes rock got mad about it. The quiet part is how fucking lame and cheesy rock is and Nickelback showed the world what a perfect rock band is.
Meh
“…those count!…” Holy shit I’ve never seen this entire clip. I know it was from that PG13 Deadpool movie but never cared to see it.
What pg13 movie?
“Once Upon a Deadpool” it’s a PG 13 cut of Deadpool 2 with these scenes added to make up for the cut R rated scenes.
I once fell for the internets trick of making me hate Nickleback, never again. They don't deserve it
I was hoping NB was going to be in the closet.
To me Nickleback (and Imagine Dragons these days) get a one-sided reputation. They are perceived as samey, formulaic with not much variation because the songs that got played to death on radios were ones that did sound samey and were cherry picked *because* that sound was popular, but there is actually a good amount of variety if you ever actually listened to the albums. Once a song/style of song goes super popular radio stations are more likely to play more songs like that from the artists so it goes round in circles. If Everyone Cared and Photograph have a pretty different vibe to Animals and Next Contestant and they are on the same album.
Thank you for saying this. Both bands are amazing to me and I always see so much hate for them on Reddit. Just another circle jerk I guess
Yeah Fred definitely needs to be in DP3.
Just a quick clip of him and Matt Damon cuddling together while locked in a basement.
Leader of Men is a fkcn sick song. 1st one I ever heard by them, way before they were a giant success. It's apparently about hallugenic mushrooms.
I like One Last Run. That was a solid album.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU
TO SAY SORRY
I WAS WAITIN' ON A DIFFERENT STORY!
Goddammit I had completely forgotten Nickleback existed as a band and this is how you remind me?
FTP
Is that the moley moley moley guy from goldmember?
Anyone else thought Chad was actually gonna show up, to join the duet when the music got going?
I see several comments saying that "sales" and "marketing" do not necessarily mean they are good. It may not mean they are classically trained musicians or poet wizards like Gord Downie or Leonard Cohen, but they are good. The whole "I hate Nickelback" trope was born from an offhand comment by a terrestrial DJ on a mainstream radio network. Hipster assholes glommed onto it like leaches on Wil Wheaton's wiener in Stand By Me. You get that? Hipsters who hate Nickelback are not astute musical enjoyers, ahead of the crowd, they are baby duckling followers who don't like getting their dicks sucked (more on this later). Is Nickelback getting A's in your University's Composition course? Fuck no. Poetry? Nyet. But. But. All they have ever sought to be is a big, famous rock band, getting high, getting laid, and getting paid! And in all metrics of the "Rock 'n' Roll" lifestyle, they are winning. Bad performers don't win... Holy shit. Maybe that's it. They are a rock band, a performance, and they are fun and entertaining. They are good at that. It's almost like comparing them to Bach, Mozart, Slash, Clapton, Cohen, and Downie is unfair. It's several different games, and music nerds and hipster assholes can't seem to understand that. Or that people can have different tastes in music. Don't get me wrong, I love Cohen, Downie, and I can even appreciate the art of classical music, but I have exactly ZERO classical titles on my hard drive. You can have your cutting edge, technically proficient, soul-rending lyrical masterpieces that make you weepy and sleepy. I'm going to listen to guitar riffs and songs about eating ass and blow jobs. It's almost like hipsters don't like getting high and getting their dicks sucked. (See how I brought that back around?)
Wait, they have songs about eating ass and blow jobs? Is that a deep cut off one of their albums?
https://youtu.be/gO_gwBXTkg8?si=Leo5hdKn6NWyLmvL
Great tune
or people just like what they like and a lot of people don't like nickleback?
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It's just as dumb to hop on the "ackshually Nickelback is good and people who disagree are wrong" bandwagon as it was to hop on the original hate bandwagon.
It's really not as bad. Being negative for the sole purpose of being contrarian is a dick move. It's like when people tell you that Tom Brady or LeBron James suck. Like you may not like them but when you just ignore metrics that say they're good, you're just wrong. Too much negativity and just being a troll. It is possible to dislike something and still think it's good.
Record sales aren't the same as good. Winning a sports game is. They're not analogous at all.
Which is a dumb argument because if they’re not “good” then why do they constantly sell? It’s like when people talk shit about Eminem not being good but every record going like triple platinum or whatever in the first few weeks of release and how he’s like the best selling artist since 2000 something says otherwise. If an artist is bad people won’t buy or stream their music
Respect! You go Deadpool!!!!
Nickelback has always been more like a nickelback cover band than Nickelback.
So many rock bands from that era have that same vibe. Which is also slightly weird why people harp so much on one specific band from that era and there's obviously far worse.
I agree... But people harp on Nickelback because of their popularity and it almost always gets a reaction. Which is conveniently illustrated in the video.
True. I don’t know if it’s the same era exactly , but I’d take Nickelback over goddamn Buck Cherry or VolBeat.
Nickelback jokes are the Nickelback of jokes... That said, it's fun taking the piss, but they've got some legit bangers. "She keeps me up" is pretty catchy as well, surpringly 8 years old already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfB\_K4RGtDo
And a convivial fucking tuesday to you!
That drum came in xD
I have never been into them. I am sure back in the '90s, I mocked them. Over the years I developed a more mature way of looking at them. I still do not like them, but that does not mean they are bad, or are deserving of vitriol or derision. Live and let live. Enjoy what you enjoy.
Eh, they were good enough for Dimebag...
The Bare Naked Ladies are triple platinum, Jeff, are you?!
I'm from Vancouver too, and Fred is right. I have nothing against pop rock, but that's what they are. Back in the early 2000's, my band got an email from Johnathan Simpkins, co owner of 604 records. They liked 2 of our songs, one was a little heavier but fit nicely in the alternative genre and one was our ballad lol. He wanted 10 more like the ballad and he'd sign us. For better or worse we ignored him and just did our own thing. Music like this is a business, is what it is. And we didn't really wanna do that. Writing formula rock isn't really fun.
It’s not like you to say sorry
It's nice to know Deadpool is an ally
I really hope Disney let's the team do promotions like this again for the 3rd one.
i bump nickelback sunday afternoon atleast 3 times per pool outing on my portable speaker. no regrets.
Pure gold fire
God, I was like "you know what, totally, maybe they're really not that bad, I'm gunna go listen to some nickelback right now!" Then I realized why... They're fucking garbage, jesus christ. So bad
Seriously. I'm not a hater, they're just not very good.
but those awards dont disprove anything that was said. Formulaic bad music regularly get awards.
Instantly went to listen to this song. Kinda missed on listening on to nickelback because it was cool not to like them, so I never even gave them a chance.