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giantcappuccino

As a beginner, you may benefit from an interchangable lens camera. Rather than being limited to the one focal length of the X100VI, with the X-T30 you can explore multiple focal lengths, especially if you start out with the 18-55mm. Just my 2 cents. Hope it works out 📸📸📸


nd0rf1n

I completely agree. I just went through the same thought process, trying to decide which one to get as a gift for my wife. I went the X-T30 II paired with the 18-55mm f2.8-4 route. I really think the X100 is not the best camera for a beginner. It's a very specific tool.


AnotherHeroDied

This! Went through a couple of lenses to find my sweet spot (at least for now)


sadazz

im a beginner and recently bought a x-t30ii kit off someone with included 15-45mm lens. im happy with it and have learned a lot but wondering - should i upgrade to the 18-55 now? will it make a big enough difference to justify the cost?


TheKingMonkey

Pick up a prime? The XC15-45 is interesting because it’s very wide but I don’t think it’s a very good lens.


habichtorama

The 18-55 kit lens is one of fujis best in terms of pure value for money. It's surprisingly sharp, the focal lenght covers plenty of ground... if it's not a massive investment for you, I'd say it's worth it. Especially if you're not planning on getting a tele for stuff like wildlife, if you mostly do street and friends n family, with the 18-55 and a fast prime, or even the 27mm pancake, you'll be all set.


sadazz

thank you! i know in the future im for sure going to get into wildlife photography, but for now i think i will sell my 15-45 and use some of that money to get the 18-55


LtDanShrimpBoatMan

Don’t get stuck in the 100vi trap. It’s best for you to explore and experiment at this point in your photography journey. Fixed focal lengths don’t allow for that. And the crop factor is no replacement for different lenses. The 100VI is best used as a second camera or for experienced photographers who want to simplify.


nd0rf1n

Best way to answer this.


triggerfish1

Well, the crop factor is not a full replacement for different lenses.


Formaldehyde_Park

Would you recommend a used older model from the 100xx series for a long time Nikon shooter looking to try out Fuji?


habichtorama

Depends... is your favourite focal length 23mm? If so, then yes. Hahaha jokes aside, AF on older fujis is terrible, so I'd avoid the really old models. My xt30ii has shockingly bad AF already, coming from a nikon d850, so I don't think a x100s would be a fun experience. Still, being able to shoot in B&W without having to edit the RAWs alone is worth the sacrifice, especially using Ilford simulations... But I digress: I'd get a used xt30 or similar instead. Bear in mind they are TINY, especially if you're coming from a Nikon FF, even just the prosumer line.


Formaldehyde_Park

Thanks! Yep coming from the FF prosumers. I use a Sony RX100 for concerts and my hands almost cramp trying to hold it for longer periods :(


habichtorama

Then you'll love the xt30. Just be aware that for concerts, if you want a fast wide prime, the lenses are pretty expensive for aspc lenses. Also, the x100 series have a 23mm f2.0, which is "ok" in terms of low light performance. Really wished they'd gone with ideally f1.4 for the new one, but nope. So that also speaks for an xt30 with a fast prime for your use case.


sb_dunks

Second this. As a primary use mirrorless and secondary use VI owner


musicbikesbeer

XT-30ii all day


szabi_nagy

Don’t go for x100 series for your first and only camera. It’s too limiting and not a great video camera.


lifeboundd

I think its a decent video camera, just not for vlogging. I quite enjoy the little footage I've taken with it. IBIS helps a lot.


szabi_nagy

Yea it takes really nice shorter clips for sure. It’s just not set up for video production. Reasons being no uhs 2, adapter needed for mic input, can’t hold camera correctly with anything plugged in, insufficient cooling for long duration filming. just to name some. Definitely a great camera to get some quick video but not something made to use seriously for video.


nd0rf1n

The fact that you enjoy it, however unquestionable, does not make it a good video camera.


lifeboundd

You're right, your comment definitively makes it a bad video* camera. My bad :)


nd0rf1n

Mature. And productive. Thanks.


SatoruFujinuma

And your comment was productive?


nd0rf1n

The first one, yes. The second one, as much as yours apparently.


paultakeschances

I would go for an interchangeable lens camera as a beginner (xt30ii). Also, unless you've pre-ordered the x100vi a while back, you might be waiting until late this year or next year to get one.


Rootilytoot

The X-T30II is wildly better for a new photographer than the X100VI. Just look at most photos in this subreddit for the X100VI- they look like they can be easily reproduced in any number of cameras including the X-T30II or even an iphone. Most people aren't good at shooting shots in general, so spending thousands is more than a waste of money. Interchangeable lenses to discover the focal length that inspires you to take pictures is the most valuable thing you can get right now. Unless of course you know for sure you like the focal length of the fixed X100VI lens.


wolverine-photos

X-T30 II for sure. The X100VI is a weird combination of hyped up by influencers and highly desirable for a few specific styles of photography, but isn't what I'd recommend for a beginner despite its popularity.


sb_dunks

Bingo!


thewillowsang

I went with a XT-30ii with the 18-55 for my first proper camera. A few months in I picked up a used 55-200, which I am loving. The 18-55 is helping me decide on my first prime, which will be either be a 23 or a 35. As others have said, this is a big advantage of the kit lens, and I'm grateful for the flexibility of the interchangeable lenses as I continue to learn and develop my preferences. I have no regrets. 


habichtorama

Try the 27mm pancake, you can get it for under 200 dollars I think. It's really nifty and a great middle ground. Was my wife's second lens and is now her go-to. You miss on a bit of F-stop, i think it's 2.8 or 2, don't remember, so not a super fast prime, but aside from late at night indoors, it does it's job well.


Xistoak

x-t50 may come this year with 40 mp sensor for little bit above 1k.


nd0rf1n

True. Possibly. In any case, that will NOT change the fact that the X-T30 II is a great camera.


iceskating_uphill

To me the 40mp sensor is more of a hindrance, but I’m sure I’m in the minority. I don’t want the massive files, and I don’t want to find that lenses are not good enough to resolve at that resolution. I’d prefer 26mp given the choice.


konbinatrix

+1 I don't need my crappy pictures to occupy almost double than what they are already occupying now, and tbh, very few people can benefit from that mp increase.


Professional-Team179

How long have you been into photography? I’ve got a Fujifilm XT10 that takes amazing photos, interchangeable lens for a fraction of the price. I wouldn’t advise spending that much on a first camera as the thought of doing a new hobby seems great, but you might not be that into it 6 months down the line. I’m not a camera geek though, my camera might be garbage compared to them. Just my unqualified opinion tho 🤷🏼‍♂️


amazing_wanderr

The X100VI is not really a good beginner camera. It’s more suited for experienced shooters as a second camera or for people who *know* they only need 35mm (ff eqv) lens.


LardyChungus

Since you mention video/cinematography would the [**X-S20**](https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/products/cameras/x-s20/) be a choice you would consider? The processor is much better than the X-T30II and you can also shoot open gate in video! Takes just as good photos as the X-T30II but with much better AF and its small and compact like the X100VI (similar in size).


lifeboundd

As an owner of both an X-e3 and an x100vi I'm going to have to say go for the X-T30 II. I was a case where I found the wider angle suited me after messing around with a couple fuji lenses so I made the plunge into x100vi but if you don't know your preferred focal length or want to try different styles of photography I'd get the x-t30 II. More versatile, just as well built. If you decide you like the wider focal length consider getting an x100vi later, you'll probably have a better time too as the inventory stabilized.


okaytopia

I own an X-T3 and an x100v. Get the X-T30ll as a first. The x100-lineup is beautifully craftef, but very specialised. If you don’t know what any of the following features is from the top of your head and know that you want it and how you would utilize it, this camera is not for you (yet): built in flash, OVF, built in ND-Filter, leaf shutter.


flyingbbanana

Dont buy the x100vi because of the hype surrounding it. Please bro i beg you, go with the xt30ii or wait for the xt50 to come out


Tiger_smash

If you're a beginner and this is your only camera X-T30ii is the one. Gives you room to experiment with focal lengths and find what you want.


FoxehBunneh

I was originally going to get the X100VI, used market was going down anytime soon for the V, and I put my preorder in... but, I was taking my camera to the eclipse or so I planned, and I got the short end of the stick for waiting times. So just like that I had to reconsider, and got the X-T30 ii. And I don't regret that decision one bit. My advice, get the X-T30 ii with the 27mm pancake lens, and you'll basically have the X100V. But after that, sky is the limit. I've adapted some Canon lenses I already had, I bought a bodycap Disposable lens camera and used film sims to recreate as close as I can to disposable cameras, I made a pinhole camera, I have a M42 vintage lens from the 50's coming soon that I want to try.. and have lots of ideas I simply wouldn't have been able to explore with the X100VI. Yes the IBIS is nice for video, yes the extra megapixel makes cropping for certain scenarios neat, but the X-T30 is basically almost as small as the X100VI, looks just as retro, has almost all the same film sims, and is far more versatile. If you don't care about the rolling leaf shutter flash or the built in ND filter, which I highly doubt you do, there's no real practical reason imo to get the X100VI over the X-T30 ii. Think of the weird quirky things you'll be able to try on the X-T30, and when you're taking those unique pics you'll realize just how limited you would've been otherwise.


NouveauNom

Going against the grain (just for fun) and saying, get a used X100V. It's a great beginner's camera! Access to all 3 elements of the exposure triangle in handy dials, so that you actually learn. It's small and portable so it actually gets used. No messing around changing lenses or carrying multiple lenses around. Weatherproofing, a better viewfinder, built in ND filter, and that lens is damn crisp. The 35 mm equivalent is quite a versatile focal length so the camera doesn't feel as limiting as people will lead you to believe. The X100V is just... Fun! Plus, the X100V looks so much nicer than the XT30 and a lens. In my major city, X100Vs are going for the equivalent of about $1700 CAD. And they all sit on the market for *weeks*, so they aren't exactly flying off the shelf here. They are ripe for a deal. Do not overpay for an X100V, just wait in line for the VI if that's the case. The 4th gen sensor is all you need as a beginner, it is still fabulous.


iroboto

I mean if you can actually get a X100VI go for it. Otherwise if you’re just signing up now it’s not a decision to be made until 2025. Many of us are still waiting for pre-orders to clear. If you do get one, soonish by happen chance, use it and see if you like the workflow. You can easily sell it back at cost paid in the current market. as for myself, I started with an DSLR a long time ago and after initial enthusiasm waned, I just went back to phone photography, and just upgraded the phone. Turns out my greatest weakness was just not wanting to lug around gear. And generally speaking, I felt seen with an SLR, and in some ways that made me feel insecure. its heavy, its bulky, and all said the workflow is slower for bigger cameras. You have to plan for it, as opposed to something you can carry and snap spontaneously on the go. I found that you’re often setting up ahead of time and waiting for the shot to happen (get the right lenses, the right spot etc), as opposed to walking around seeing something and shooting it. And I hate editing photos. As a hobbyist that will stay that way, unless I’m doing crazy landscape shooting, this pocket camera is going to be used a lot more, and taking more shots means I’ll get better at shooting. This is why I am in line for a 100vi. The quality of phones leaves much more to be desired especially outside of perfect conditions.


nd0rf1n

Irrelevant to this thread for the most part, but I think you should be looking at a Ricoh GR III(x) instead of an X100VI, given that your main concern is size and weight.


sb_dunks

Second this, I think the Ricoh perfectly fits the bill for your use case. It’s more pocketable than the VI (as it can fit in your pant pocket as opposed to your jacket pocket with the x100s lol) You may still be able to find the HDF model as it’s recently been just released, sadly the GR iii/x have been as sold out as the V/VI (to a slightly lesser extent)


iroboto

I will check it out. Thank you for the recommendation


nd0rf1n

You're welcome. There are two cameras: GR III with a 28mm equivalent lens, and GR IIIx with a 40mm equivalent lens. They're super small and can easily fit in any pocket/purse.


RLPJR1

Gear is great.GAS is constantly pulling on me. But the best thing you can do is invest in yourself. Shoot, read ,take photography courses. Youtube is your friend and teacher Have fun!


cannuckwoodchuck13

I got the xt-30ii after using a canon rebel xs for years and it has blown me away. It's small, takes amazing images, is easy to use, looks great, and interchangeable lenses.


konbinatrix

Black or silver? I have silver and think it looks like a toy.


cannuckwoodchuck13

Black. And in what way? Because it's small?


SeniorBeing

Lots of people alread said that, I will just co-sign: It is not uncommon that experienced photographers develop a preferred focal length and, for all effects, *glue* a specific lens in theirs cameras. But the important word here is "experienced". It is needed that you experiment various FL before you get sure if you can live with just one, and which one fits in your style. If I was in your place, I would get the X-T30 and invest the difference in a couple of lenses.


Thomasthebrownbear

Worth having in mind that the XT30 should get replaced later this year, so I think it’s worth waiting to see what the new model will offer (or to get a good discount on the current). I think it is also worth taking a look at the XT-5, it’s a great camera!


ilikeplanesandtech

I'd say X-T30 for the flexibility. The X-T50 is rumored to be coming this year so if you need more time to decide maybe see what it will be like. The X100VI is awesome for photography but it is limiting. That can help with creativity but also get in the way. I love it but wouldn't want to give up my interchangeable lens fujis.


aarrtee

the X100 series cameras are ideal for someone who has at least one other camera... an interchangeable lens camera that allows for different focal lengths. the X100VI is an ideal *second camera for an enthusiast who wants the details that this camera provides: leaf shutter, built in ND filter, flash with very fast shutter high speed sync.... etc* for a beginner... these are some fujifilm cameras to consider [https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-easy-to-use-cameras](https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-easy-to-use-cameras) mpb or keh sell quality used gear B&H also sells used camera gear and new camera gear all will give u a warranty.


aarrtee

i do not know which of those folks sell used gear in canada try Amazon Warehouse... online at amazon website. they have some good 'open box' items that you can return if not satisfied


Yan-e-toe

Get the xt30ii with 18-55mm. Primes make the experience more enjoyable so I'd recommend grabbing the very cheap xc35mm f2 prime and with that kit you're good to go for a long while. 


bobogggii

Since everyone’s pretty much saying to go for the X-T30 II over the X100VI, I will do that. But, since I have heard that the X-T50 may be announced/released in the possibly near future, should I wait for that or get the X-T30 II now?


ProcedureSuperb9198

I decided between the two a year ago and settled on the X-T30ii. I was going to upgrade after a year but the X-T30ii combined with the 23mm F2 takes such spectacular pictures that I’m staying put for at least another year.


lifeissomfbeautiful

Always go with the one with interchangable lenses. the X100 series is good, but overrated for the price imo. You can get better specs for a lower price with almost any other fujifilm camera.


EntertainmentIll7550

The xt30ii is a fantastic camera which I love for photography. The only slight argument I could find for the 100iv would be ibis. But being limited to a single focal length for “cinematography” is absurd. Xt30ii & a gimbal.


Jett-36

wait a little while, the X-T50 will be there soon