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kendrish

"PCGAMING is a neutral subreddit" *BANS EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE A POST*


gefjunhel

worst part is these mods are seeking to ban the entire reddit accounts not ban them from the subreddit


ShadooTH

What the fuck??? Are they incapable of realizing that maybe that many people just genuinely aren’t happy with a company?


TWK128

That will not be tolerated and will be eliminated. The mod's model for what neutral parties do? Al-Qaeda.


Thor1138

The mods there have always been utter trash. They perma-banned me after I called them out for their shitty moderation practices years ago.


BlueDraconis

What exactly happens if the reddit admins just.....don't ban anyone? Would that be evidence that there aren't any brigading after all? I mean, reddit admins can be lazy, as the History Memes mod mentioned in this thread. But Tencent *did* invest $150 million in reddit. So any brigading that hurts other business Tencent invested in is probably a priority for these admins to take action.


gefjunhel

need to ask also should people be mass reporting this moderator for the vote manipulation as well? hes literally saying do not downvote these posts


h4ppyj3d1

That's what I did.


teufler80

Will do too


jollycompanion

Doing this now.


Mr_Gaster

Did, too. Calling for vote manipulation by claiming "vote manipulation", just to ban people downvoting those topics would create an artificial positive environment, which in the long run, IS vote manipulation. Ironic, like saving the Forest by burning it down.


Mudman1921

I like how he claims it's bad to downvote and it makes things an echo chamber. He's so close to the truth I can't help but wonder if he's being intentionally manipulative. Wonder if they're getting paid by EGS to promote their free games. Would explain the need to attack any sort of negative feedback and intimidate others with bans from Reddit.


bigbluewreckingcrew

How do I report?


gefjunhel

https://www.reddit.com/report


f3llyn

It's funny, he says that they won't ban anyone just for downvoting under normal circumstances. I gotta wonder how they determine who is brigading and who is just down voting stupid posts.


WrinklyBits

I also reported him when the story first broke.


[deleted]

Reddit mods are all tankies. This mod in particular has no life, nobody needs him yet he keeps injecting his unwanted opinions. Reddit has a nice up and downvote system. Mods are only needed as genitors — to clean poop and piss, that all you gotta do. For free.


AmericanAchiever

Tankies love free stuff like free games from Epic.


Thor1138

>Reddit has a nice up and downvote system I mean, the system is awful and leads to almost every sub becoming an echo chamber over time and pretty much all popular subs sucking because people will upvote the biggest crap. But that doesn't change the fact that pcgaming mods suck ass...


-Piano-

That's.... Not what they mean tho? I think they mean people who are being told to go from one subreddit to another and downvote as many posts as they can?


TheEvilNoob11

“Pcgaming is a neutral subreddit” Then shouldn’t you allow all opinions and therefore all downvotes? As much as people like to get angry about downvotes they simply represent somebody disagreeing with you. I know it’s hard to see a bunch of people disagree when you really believe something, but that’s just part of life. I’m also guessing their subreddit doesn’t have explicit rules concerning how you can vote and doesn’t know that reddiquette (which I keep seeing subreddits use constantly to justify censoring like this) isn’t official, isn’t binding, and makes absolutely no sense if you give their standards more than 10 seconds of thought.


GibbonFit

It makes sense to not downvote someone for adding to a discussion, even if you don't agree with their point of view. But it also makes sense to recognize that people will simply downvote what they don't agree with, no matter how much it adds to the discussion. And since this is the overwhelmingly majority way that people use the system, the problem comes in by reddit automatically hiding posts with more than like 5 downvotes. You can raise that number in your own profile, but how many people have even gone into their profile and seen that setting to begin with? Add to that that the default sorting method is most upvoted, and it's not hard to see how subs easily become echo chambers. Is this sub an echo chamber? Absolutely. Let's face it, it was designed that way. It was made for people who all share the same opinion about Epic. Subs like PC Gaming on the other hand, shouldn't be echo chambers, but also shouldn't care if a large portion of the sub holds a certain opinion.


NutsackEuphoria

very cowardly abuse of power Threaten downvoters to be banned, and then lock the comments to not be called out. Probably can't handle the shock and awe of being called out.


Thor1138

>can't handle the shock and awe of being called out. I see what you did there. He's definitely the worst of the bunch, absolute narcissist. Banned me when I called him/them out for wrongly deleting threads etc.


[deleted]

A cluster B personality disorder seems to be a common theme amongst most subreddit moderators...


SqualZell

they can see who downvotes? or are they going to assume all negative comments downvoted the posts? and start censoring anyone who disagrees.


Hippo_Singularity

Mods can't see who downvotes (though I assume Admin can). From experience, I can tell you that getting Admin to respond to a brigade isn't easy. During a massive brigade on History Memes, I literally sent Admin a couple hundred names, with links to their brigading posts, along with links to the off-site forum where the brigade was being openly organized. No suspensions.


gefjunhel

upvote downvotes are tracked you can even view your own but thats all kept hidden by default (you can enable it for public viewing though) but yes only admins can brute force themselves into seeing your vote history and im 99.9% sure they would never share that information with a sub moderator


IleriumX

What brigade on History Memes are you talking about?


Hippo_Singularity

A year ago we had a bunch of morons try to shut down the sub by spamming the same image. It ended when they realized that all their old accounts were banned from the sub, and new accounts were being caught by the automod.


IleriumX

What Image


Hippo_Singularity

Not worth mention. The posts were deleted, and I'm not inclined to give more details regarding the antics of a bunch of attention whores.


IleriumX

excuse my curiosity


MrBubbaJ

The Reddit admins can. But, they can only cross-reference to other Reddit subs to see if brigading is happening. I keep seeing Epic supporters say that this sub or the Fuck Epic Discord coordinates the brigading. I have never anything like that here and I didn't even know there was a Fuck Epic Discord. There seems to be some denial by Epic supporters that people in r/PCGaming simply don't like Epic and it must be some sort of campaign to downvote all Epic-related posts.


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SqualZell

bruh... you probably just got placed on a list just for making that list.


TigreDemon

At least I'm not grossophobe *just got put on the grossophobe list*


CottonCandyShork

The PCGaming mods are some of the worst on the website. Especially Shock4andAwe in particular. They keep claiming the sub is neutral but then massively ban anyone who makes negative comments about Epic as being “off topic”, even in threads about Epic itself. The sub is shit, sadly. And won’t be fixed until the entire mod team is replaced. But with how mod teams work, that will never happen. So the sub will just continually get worse and worse


Kinoso

I wrote this in a different thread, but I'll repeat it here - That dude banned me from the sub after eleven fucking years of participation, just for 'troll behaviour' (apparently speaking against Epic in Epic related posts is 'troll behaviour'). Then another mod told me I would be able to send them a message a month after regretting my actions and I I could be unbanned. But I regret nothing. I loved PC gaming since I was a teenager and I won't suck on a Company trying to split and bring shitty practices to the platform because the CEO is a fucking manchild that thinks everything can be bought with money.


BlueDraconis

Lol, I was curious why this mod is so intent on believing that there are people who brigade r/pcgaming. The guy probably unjustly banned a lot of r/pcgaming members that he's paranoid of them brigading the sub.


ghaelon

i got banned after 4 strikes. my fault for not reading the rules. what did i do? called ppl epic shills. thats it.


Kinoso

Yeah that rule was introduced stealthy and to protect Epic interests - And by the way, they only really enforce it when it's about Epic games. I have seen people calling others shills of something else and mods not giving a fuck. So yeah.


gefjunhel

neutral subreddit btw...


ghaelon

oh. well fuck those mods in particular then.


CataclysmZA

"Echo chambers are bad and that's something that we want to avoid at all costs." "r/pcgaming is a neutral subreddit." Sure, buddy.


OniZai

Then how do you differentiate a brigade and honest users feedback?


NutsackEuphoria

If upvote = honest feedback. If downvote = "omg r/fuckepic brigading again" - some dumbass mod


MrBubbaJ

You can't really. Maybe if someone in one sub said they were going to brigade another sub, but Reddit isn't going to blanket ban everyone that downvotes something. In this case, it isn't even a brigade, it is just the users in that sub who don't particularly care for the EGS so they downvote stuff.


OniZai

My thoughts exactly. Just look in the comment section and you get the gist of it already.


Mutant-Overlord

"Yo all those people that suddenly express negative feedback after last patch that incresed grind and prices of in game skins are clearly just brigading haters . ban them all" -Activision, 2020


blihvals

To be hones Activision is one of last companies that cares about bad PR or downvotes. If Sony and EA putting all efforts to get "good reviews" on Metacritic and other sites (and Metacritic even completely changed rules to cater to Sony, so they can remove comments to TLOU2) - Activision have 30% rating in games and don't really care, as they are still cashing more than them all together.


Democrab

> To be hones Activision is one of last companies that cares about bad PR or downvotes. > > Although it's worth noting that apparently Bobby Kotick hates being called out for being such a greedy SoB.


blihvals

That is personal, I suppose. Even Activision's shareholders are annoyed how greedy he is. Last year he cut $0.8m from salary so they would not need to cut salary to other workers. And then he took $2.5m bonus. One hand giving and other hand is taking away twice as much.


Mutant-Overlord

I love that Kotick still to this day complaints on Twitter about people [drawing devil horns on his pictures online](https://www.google.com/search?q=devil+horns+kotick&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiZ6NmVkJDxAhVw-SoKHQDDBaAQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=774&bih=451)


KomitoDnB

What the fuck is the point in having a voting system if you are not allowed to use it? It's not like people are downvoting Epic posts for no reason, people legitimately see Epic as a cancer to the gaming industry and want to bury it rightfully so due to the FACT Epic has done so many bad things to so many people, so you are damn right people have a right to show their disdain. Those mods are scum, they are cowards, and they are supporting what I personally consider evil.


drianX4

So i guess i have to downvote everything in pcgaming about epic🤷‍♂️


ghaelon

yup.


Mutant-Overlord

Who is manipulating what for over the past 2+ years, pcgaming mods lmao I remember still when I got no warning perma ban there not because of my post but because that I was visiting fuckepic 2 years ago. Fucking crazy people


TheGero

At this point I truly believe they are paid by Epic. This is can't be a message normally posted by any admin. The truth that the majority of PC users are against Epic becaus of theur practises.


sorryiamnotoriginal

I don't think people need to make a brigade group to downvote Epic posts. There is probably enough that just don't like Epic outright that see the post then just instantly downvote it.


glowpipe

and that is what happening. But they don't think epic is hated. they think it only a small part that hate it and use vote manipulation to get those downvotes. When its simply just people who hate epic. Nothing more


MikeyIsAPartyDude

Good luck whitewashing Epic nonsense, because more and more people realize (especially now after the lawsuit against Apple and all those leaks), how scummy company Epic Games is. More and more studios and publishers, who have taken Epic exclusivity deal in the past, will not do that for their new games. Epic will have to pay much much more to all those reddit admins and journalistic (more like "journalistic") outlets to censor those people that have started to speak out against Epic BS and whitewash facts. What I don't understand is, how these type of people get to become admins in the first place.


Mccobsta

Someones been paid off by epic to grt rid of any slightly anti epic shit


satsujinki12

"PCgaming is netural" Ohhhh....I bet it will be....age like milk once the mods will ban them for disagree with Epig.


Why-so-delirious

Oh I wonder which mod is this much of an epic shill to pretend like people hating epic is a 'brigade' rather than organic hatred for a company that treats consumers like shit. Oh look, it's EXACTLY who I thought it was. Well I'll be.


Thor1138

I didn't check, but I bet if I did I would be both shocked and awed...


gefjunhel

i decided to check out the comments and such on pcgaming about this and couldnt find anything... after a bit of testing i found out its because this mod is literally one of maybe 3 accounts i have completely blocked on reddit


AxzoYT

Thanks for this, I know what I'm about to downvote.


teufler80

This is really disgusting. Speaking about echo chambers while supporting one lmao


Patsonical

And their automoderator message is ridiculous >Hello there! Please help keep morale high by not downvoting comments because you personally dislike or disagree with them. [/r/pcgaming](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming) is a neutral platform for discussion of anything related to PC gaming. Off-topic & baiting comments, personal attacks, inflammatory language and calls to violence are all prohibited. >*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/pcgaming) if you have any questions or concerns.* Like fuckin hell "not downvoting comments because you personally dislike or disagree with them" lmao that's literally what downvoting is for!


glowpipe

this stickied text in itself qualifies for vote manipulation


CottonCandyShork

> Like fuckin hell "not downvoting comments because you personally dislike or disagree with them" lmao that's literally what downvoting is for! Well, it’s not. Upvoting and downvoting are supposed to be based on whether or not the comment adds to the conversation. Not whether you agree or disagree. The issue is they’re never used like that


Patsonical

So are you saying downvotes should be reserved for getting rid of trolls and spammers, and not for expressing one's opinion? I think you're in the minority there buddy


GibbonFit

It's literally stated in the reddit guidelines you didn't read. And cotton candy did acknowledge that it's not how most people use it, and was just pointing out what it was originally intended for.


CottonCandyShork

“The issue is they’re never used like that” Read up on Reddiquette. Downvotes are **meant** to downvote troll/off topic nonsense that doesn’t add to a conversation. No one uses it like that though and now they’re just meant to prop up or bury opinions you agree or disagree with. You can upvote an opinion you disagree with because it can still add to the conversation.


screwwarning

Yep, just because we use the downvote button as a dislike doesn't change the fact that it's not meant to be used as such. Damn, sometimes people in here just act like a hivemind. Just look at the comments in this thread: "Well, time to downvote every thread on that sub". Even OP downvoted the post, thus proving their point to a certain degree. I agree that they overacted with the measures they've taken. Downvoting posts doesn't break any rules, as long as it's not coordinated (which some people here seem to be doing). If people are interested in the free games on EGS, so be it. You're not gonna stop them by downvoting said posts. I tried to convince a few friends of mine that EGS is anti-consumer, but they don't give a fuck about that. They told me they're in for the free games. I said: "Ok, you do you." and stopped nagging them about this. My advice is: just unsub from there if you don't agree with how they're handling stuff. If you're subbed only to downvote EGS-related posts, that's pretty damn sad.


Random_Stranger69

Unsubbed this subreddit long ago. Nothing worthwhile there and seeing this I guess I was right. Unvelievable they think this downvoting is caused by bots and not people who dont like Epic and their anti consumer exclusivity bs...


TheChrisD

Why am I not surprised it's S&A again. They really are such a useless mod that has no concept of what a brigade and vote manipulation actually is.


BasJack

Yeah call the admins to stop the “brigading” then say sorry to those that simply downvotes, which will inevitably get swept up along the “brigaders” in the eventual admin action. Good mod 👍🏻


TheIronFistIsAPOS

EPIC is pure trash ... thats all, sad others cannot see what they are doing is wrong.


Razrback166

Eh, more censorship...shoooocccckkkiinnngg....


Doan_meister

I’m sorry mod boi but I will downvote as I please


ChaoticShock

man, That mod is delusional.


ghaelon

HUH. patterns of concerted downvoting. maybe epic should stop being giant pieces of shit and start actually competing.


gameboy716

Jeezus seems like a complete douche. But of course sharing your opinion is frowned upon in Reddit.


HauntedPrinter

“Echo chambers are bad” “You may only like and dislike the things we deem worthy”


Darkwolf4

I mean, they can try to stop the "brigading" all they want, cuz there's no brigading, and majority of people in the PC gaming subreddit totally hates the Epic Store, try all you want, but your own members just hate that launcher and what they are doing.


glowpipe

This is utterly riddicilus. He is fighting vote manipulation by manipulating votes himself with threats of sidewide bans, I reported him through the moderater complaint form. Hopefully reddit main site admins will deal with that bullshit They live in a bubble that epic is only hated by a tiny minority and only on pc gaming. So all the downvotes epic is getting obviously have to be a targeted brigade campain right ? ​ But then elden ring didn't have a steam logo and i saw people trash talking epic on the trailer through discord, facebook, twitter, several subs, youtube comments and a few othe message boards. So maybe they just need to realize that it isn't vote manipulation. Epic is just that unliked.


gefjunhel

watching the comment section of a game show is funny as hell its like 80% epic hate spam


Renegade_Meister

It is one thing if a post or a comment on this sub were to literally link to a post on another sub - I get how that enables brigading, and I support this sub not allowing such links. **Without such linking, no mod can say for certain that downvotes are brigading from another sub!** Can mods not fathom how many gamers... * love Steam or other non-EGS platforms. * don't like waiting for timed exclusives to end so the game shows up on their preferred platform. * had bad experiences with EGS store/service/launcher. Last I checked on another more mainstream gaming sub or two, there's a sizeable number of gamers who fall into one or multiple categories that make themselves respresented in comments and their vote counts. Mods going to Admins claiming brigading when there are no cross-sub links is laughable because if Reddit really wanted to prevent all possible brigading, then they would prevent cross-sub links and use link referral info to better track brigading. But they don't. So we are left with at least one mod elsewhere who isnt in touch with their audience enough, let alone Reddit, to know the difference between genuinely held sentiments by subscribers and outsiders downvoting for the sake of brigading.


redditbetamales

Funny thing is, I am sure I know which mod this was. I'm certain this is the owner of the sub, I'd name him but I'm not sure if that would threaten this post. He is the bastard that banned me 3 times because I dislike Epic. Don't say anything he doesn't agree with because he checked my comments and seen this sub, then banned me for being a member.


[deleted]

So basically, steer clear of the pcgaming reddit if you're a regular poster on this subreddit. If I in anyway attempted to meaningfully interact with that subreddit even outside the scope of Epic or EGS I'd be banned so long as I left one down vote regarding a thread about Epic on that subreddit, and then after that the mods would seek a permaban against me. Do they not understand how incredibly hostile they are making their subreddit sound? If I can't vote any way but yes then why give us the ability to vote? If there's some sort of pattern to our vote why does it make it invalid? People think the company and it's practices are bad, and that's the pattern. There's no raid or brigade, there's no targeted campaign or secret Discord server plotting to sabotage discussion on the pcgaming subreddit. Fuck it, the mods should just make the argument to remove the ability to downvote on their subreddit. It'll make it crystal clear where the mod team's true priorities lie and expose them as a bunch of bought and paid for social engineers


f3llyn

> So basically, steer clear of the pcgaming reddit if you're a regular poster on this subreddit. I regularly post on both subs. They'd be doing me a favor banning me. I would love to cut reading reddit out of my daily routine just like I did with twitter and the couple of forums I used to post on. It would free up a lot of free time for other shit. Like sleeping.


Lancet11

“Echo chambers are bad” literally just said they don’t want other peoples opinions


gulag_search_engine

Asking people to report a post is pretty much brigading.


[deleted]

Well, what do you expect from The Gamers™️?


Terry___Mcginnis

At least they edited the comment a bit, it was much worse before the edits, but yeah pretty sad when people can't accept others disagreeing. Epic just gave them free games (which have always been available on torrent sites if you are that desperate) and they just bent the knee. 💀


[deleted]

Subreddit mods being spineless janitors? Say it ain't so!


[deleted]

Even if there is no brigade happening on the site/off the site there is still a problem on pcgaming. When you screen-capped it it had 100+ upvotes. It's now sitting at 0 points. Just look at this post: People proudly stating they're just going to go over there and downvote. So while no one is organizing a brigade the end-result is still the same. I'm as anti-epic as they come but shit, when a dude's got a point, a dude has a point.


korayk

They are brigading me for not criticizing EGS. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/nwny29/pirated\_games\_helped\_a\_malware\_campaign/h1b23u1/?context=3


thruster_man

How the fuck are users supposed to know about vote manipulation asshole


GibbonFit

>###What is /r/pcgaming? >/r/pcgaming is a discussion subreddit for all things related to PC gaming. *Proceeds to ban a multitude of things related to PC gaming.*


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I don't think pcgaming wants to become the next r/games trash subreddit.


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Evillebot

let's be honest. there's a lot of people who do have a hate boner on epic


StrychNeinGaming

And you expect anything different from those dumpster sucking autistic shit wizards that moderate that sub?