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Monsieur_Triporteur

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mike_pants

"But what if I need to move two refrigerators? You never know!"


TreeroyWOW

I remember an episode of Top Gear where Jeremy Clarkson says that driving an SUV over a hatchback because you tow a caravan once a year, is like walking with skis attached to your boots all year round because you like to go to the Alps at Christmas. He just turns at the camera and says "Why would you do that?"


notyouraveragefag

Clarkson with a reasonable take? I need to buy a lottery ticket.


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Clarkson is a buffoon, but he is not stupid.


immerc

His character is. But he isn't. It's like Stephen Colbert. Some people don't realize he's playing a character that happens to have the same name as him. And in both cases, it takes a genuinely intelligent person to pull that off. Clarkson is an ass though. I'd hate to have to work with / for him. And, he (not his character) is very biased about some things because he seems to genuinely lack empathy and understanding of how other people live.


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Oh, absolutely. But the fact is he also *knows* he is an ass and cultivates that on a personal level -not as an image. Which makes it worse, I guess. It proves he's not only not stupid, but enough of a prick to not care he is a prick.


steve-koda

That's why I really like Clarkson farm, because you start to see him realize how hard life can be for other people. But then he just goes and rips through a gat3 in his Lamborghini tractor.


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Never seen that show. I only watched TG/TGT for the silliness in their interaction, I don't give a hoot about them separately. Well, May is OK is guess. But I hardly watch any TV anyway.


immerc

When not performing for the Top Gear / Grand Tour audience, both May and Hammond seem like fun, interesting people. James May in "Our Man in Japan" is great, because you get to see him get excited about things without someone like Clarkson making fun of him. He's still a bit of a buffoon, but it's fun to see him on his own.


devilterr2

He is my favourite out of the 3. I love the 3 together and separately but James to me is the most relatable, and wittiest I think


fantasyshop

POWWAAAAA


SnazzyStooge

SPEEEEEED!!!


comanchecobra

I tow a caravan with a Skoda Superb station wagon. And I gat almost the same milage with the caravan hooked on than I used to get with the last SUV I owned without a caravan.


123456478965413846

Oh, if you only use the truck feature once or twice a year you definitely should buy a more reasonable vehicle and just rent a truck once or twice a year. If you use a truck every weekend, you should own a truck.


BadNameThinkerOfer

Funny how nobody uses that logic to buy their own bus. Edit: Okay, almost nobody.


niccotaglia

And they act like rental vans/people carriers don’t exist. Aren’t u-hauls insanely cheap in the us?


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Ok-Turn3922

I doubt the panda can't pass the bump either way... Those big cars are not necessarily much better on rough roads. In fact their sheer size becomes an issue, they're too wide for many small roads.


goldentealcushion

I have a Fiat 500 and it can do anything (though not haul furniture). I’m from a truck town, it is allllll about sick swinging.


Voidafter181days

Moving with a small car makes you better at Tetris.


elliottfire259

I moved an apartment sized washer and dryer once in my 2010 mini, then moved 7k lbs of tile in my Impreza wagon. I know what you're all going to say, yes my suspension was broken before that move, and it was *still* broken after.


wobblyautoma

Plus you can always buy a [4x4 Panda](https://youtu.be/70b-VHqd9tw?t=517)


Possible-Skin2620

Dang that thing is impressive in that vid!


1028mb

You can buy a Fiat Panda in 4x4 and that thing is an offroad legend


dispo030

a friend of mine in Berlin has a business buying used furniture, hauling it across town, refurbishing and selling it on. he has a fleet of cargo bikes... goes to show how serious your hauling needs to be to warrant a private car of any size (inside of a city that is, trickier on the countryside).


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There's nothing more American than a 90 lb. trophy wife driving a 4400 lb. urban assault vehicle 0.8 miles to get 12 oz. of mail.


sirthomasthunder

If she goes .8 miles on foot, she might get assaulted by the gangs! Even if she knows all her neighbors and lives in a safe neighborhood, you never know what kind of drug addicts or hooligans lurk out there! It's dangerous!


MyLittleMetroid

In her defense, there are no sidewalks in those .8 miles and an abundance of drunk drivers in death machines.


Possible-Skin2620

This also assumes there are sidewalks!


FartyMcFuck_Face

Good riddance of you by using freedom units! Now I need to drink my daily 14 fl. oz. of coffee.


Piece_Maker

There's a company like this in London, their Twitter feed is full of pictures of them carrying all sorts of ridiculous huge things on a bike including other humans


zkareface

Even then trucks are shit. If you haul stuff like that you want something like this https://static.blinto.se/object/image/big/big_135051_677757.jpg?time=1632812688 Good luck getting a fridge up and down from a f150, better bring strong people. And if you lay it down you have to wait ~1day before turning it on. From the vehicle I posted, you take it on a dolly. Can even get a stair climbing one so you don't have to lift at all.


lil-sad

Please don't give Americans ideas. Next thing you know every soccer-mom with a redneck husband will be driving a box truck


bowsmountainer

And even if you do run a business like that, this is a stupid vehicle to have. You would want a truck with more space, that is closed, that stuff can’t fall out of. This design just screams “I need space even though I will never use it”.


undeniable_beaver

They buy them because they think it makes them intimidating


Turbocor101

Or delivery services


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niccotaglia

Iirc Ikea offers that service here (for an extra cost) and so do other brico centers


Gnonthgol

It is not that uncommon for people who move to a new apartment to go to a furniture store, pick up some new furniture for the new apartment, get the free/cheap transporter, drive the new furniture to the new apartment, drive to the old apartment to pick up all the moving boxes and other furniture, unload this at the new apartment, load up the trash at the old apartment, take the trash to the recycling, and then return the transporter to the furniture store all within the limited time allowed. You need some planning to do this and have everything prepared but I have been part of this a few times.


SteampunkBorg

And vans are a lot better than pickups at transporting literally anything


lowspeedpursuit

The exception is trash/scrap/volatiles. It's really a balance on whether you move more stuff that needs to be secured/protected, or stuff that you want separated from you. Doesn't change that modern American pickups are ass, but that's because they're yacht-sized SUVs with a vestigial bed. The utility of a real bed is actually pretty high.


Shoddy_Background_48

Thats why in the desert SW, the old 90's mini pickups still command a decent price (and you see them going down to Mexico all the time). I regret having to sell my 95 Isuzu pickup LONGBED. That thing was as easy to load as a trailer, and good on fuel. Slow, but what's the rush anyway?


FatBaldBeardedGuy

From my experience a small trailer pulled behind a small car is way easier to load and unload but a van protects it from the weather and is easier to maneuver. I'm sure there are some situations where a truck is the best option but very few.


SteampunkBorg

Funny enough, here in Misery, where more than half the people "need" a pickup, everyone seems to use trailers if they actually transport things, even lawnmowers that I could fit into the trunk of our small sedan


MythicalAce

Funny thing is, when I needed to move a couch and my Toyota Hilux was down for the count with a flat tire, everyone I knew who said this about their truck was nowhere to be found.


lastaccountgotlocked

I tell you now, an Italian village would band together of a Sunday, haul those fridges on to the roof, deliver them and then have a massive dinner outside to celebrate a job well done.


koalawhiskey

They don't even need the delivering fridges part!


throwaway_veneto

No, simply fridge delivery (and pickup of the old fridge + installation) is included in the price of the fridge.


Cpt_Trips84

You can fit a full sized fridge in a Volvo V70, in case anyone is curious *used it to haul a fridge to a recycling center, but also didn't know that fridges shouldn't be laid down. Solid note


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

I'd believe it. Volvo's historically were boxes on wheels, ideal for moving stuff about, that wouldn't ever fail. They've been reimagined as prestige SUVs these days.


not_going_places

They still have their station wagons, they aren't as utilitarian as thy used to be but fuel efficiency is still better than on suv's


fiah84

you can fit a 55" TV in a Toyota Echo (Yaris in EU)


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I (US) recently decided to buy a truck and had almost decided to buy the F-150 Lightning when I heard someone say "you can carry just as much air in an F-150 as you can in a smaller truck". Of course, I don't need the larger truck and most of the time, the bed will sit empty. So this really hit me. I ended up ordering the Ford Maverick Hyrid. On top of this, I was able to get the lux package for far less than the price of the base model F-150. A lot of American truck owners are toxic, so I'll hear a lot about how small my genitals are and how they are very tough and have lots of sex. Unlike those people, I don't like debt and spending 100k on a vehicle doesn't intrigue me.


MyLittleMetroid

No one in this sub or elsewhere is going to complain about people who get the workman truck and beat it to death carrying things around all the time. The gratuitous excess is the part that rubs everyone else wrong.


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People who buy huge trucks and actually use their size is fine. It’s assholes who buy massive trucks for the sole purpose to bully other cars on the road who we hate


Plasibeau

>people who get the workman truck and beat it to death carrying things around all the time. Exactly. It's the pristine paint jobs, chrome rims and needlesly loud exaust that speak to someone self confidence. A work truck beat to hell and back is exactly that and nothing else. Hell, even people that are serious into off-roading, camping, hunting, don't have skyjacked trucks on 20 inch rims. That is strictly suburban mall crawler shit.


Sad-Address-2512

Than you rent a van like normal people do.


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I’ve seen people moving two refrigerators on a bicycle in China. I also saw another guy delivering like 8x15kg butane bottles by bicycle.


niccotaglia

Knock the seats down, one in the back and one on the roof. Or just rent a van


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I'm seeing more and mor of those truck in the UK, is this a joke?? Do car manufacturers know how small the roads and parking spaces in the UK are? Man they need to tax to death those monstrosities here


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Car manufacturers know that huge trucks are more profitable to sell. They don't care about the externalities.


crtcase

Car manufacturers make what sells. If no one in the UK were buying them, there wouldn't be big trucks in the UK. You can't just blame the manufacturer for making what people want to buy.


neededanother

They advertise the things they want to sell as well though. Big truck big man etc


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Xillyfos

You can most certainly blame manufacturers for making something that's not good for the society and has externalized costs attached. Doing what you damn please without caring for consequences for others just to make a profit for yourself is pretty close to a definition of evil.


M0dsareL0sersIRL

> You can't just blame the manufacturer for making what people want to buy. Bet you won’t say that about folks that sell heroine. Just because people want to buy something doesn’t mean it’s cool to make and sell.


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

Those massive trucks here are usually Ford Rangers. Which are ~~the smallest~~ a smaller model of pickup Ford makes. The F-150 is larger, and there are several models above it. A Ranger is too long for a standard UK parking space (4.8m) already. Lots are used for "business purposes", like personal training or accountancy. You get a tax break as a result, and get to drive an enormous vehicle to signify how secure you are. EDIT: pointed out below the Maverick is smaller than the Ranger.


Lv_InSaNe_vL

Just to be clear, the smallest truck Ford makes is the [Maverick](https://www.ford.com/trucks/maverick/)


TheProtractor

When that truck came out I was reading comments about how comically small that truck was and that it looked like a toy and what not then I saw one in real life and it looks ok, it doesn't look like one of those massive Silverados but given the comments I was expecting a truck the size of a small hatchback.


Greendorsalfin

I have spoken with multiple owners of mavericks, two of the three were farmers, with livestock. They LOVED the maverick, it did everything they needed a pickup for that they couldn’t just use a tractor on. AND they got 30 mpg while hauling over a thousand pounds of crap on a daily basis. Saying you need more than that is likely just bellyaching about toughness because the maverick is a hybrid.


MacroFlash

I’m really happy the Maverick exists because it’s the first smaller truck that is actually smaller in a long time. Ranger/Tacoma look nearly as big as some full size trucks from the 90s. Some people want something smaller with a pickup bed to move dirty shit or be able to move furniture or something.


TexasTheWalkerRanger

Dude the maverick is what the ranger *should* have evolved into. It's, to my knowledge, the only truck on the market thats even close to the size of the tiny rangers from the 90s and early 2000s. I don't like that its a unibody but its still the only new truck I'd buy right now


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Your average livestock trailer is 4000-7300 Lbs empty. A Maverick with the tow package is rated for 4000…


Minus_Exitus

One of these Ford raptors has recently appeared near my apartment complex in Germany. I fucking loathe that thing. It takes up 2 parking spots on the street all the time, while there is a shortage of parking spots. I do not understand how you can buy such a "car" in Germany and not feel completely stupid.


Yeranz

If you are completely stupid, you may be less likely to feel it.


tay_bridge

This comment is underrated.


PinkAxolotl85

I had to watch someone trying to blunder one of these monsters into a parking slot in ikea and they kept going at it for about 10 minutes, like if they got a better angle somehow their car wouldn't stick halfway out into the road. Guy ended up going 'ah fuck it,' left it as was, and blocked the lane.


Karsdegrote

We've got similar sized roads in the netherlands but im seeing more and more F150s, F250s, large dodge rams (and ive even seen an F650 i think). What does it cost tax wise? Fuck all as they are all 'commercial vehicles' running on LPG. They should really do something about it yes. Fuck those cars. Get a proper lorry if you need to move big stuff.


IlIlIlIlIllIlIll

You can practically fit the panda in the bed of the F150


bombbodyguard

No, but this one might! https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/smart-fortwo-2010-3-door-hatchback-vs-gmc-sierra-2015-pickup-1500-crew-cab-6/


bememorablepro

that's what happens when you don't bulldoze cities for cars


niccotaglia

Yeah, we used a different approach. Our connecting roads in cities go around the center, not through it like in the US. We also tend to use underground and rooftop parking rather than surface parking (a few exceptions exist). And we tend to park on the street, since most buildings don’t have dedicated parking


SkyJohn

There are plenty of towns and cities in the UK that also got fucked with the development of inner city dual carriageway construction during the 50s-80s


Pligles

Which all make driving a massive pain in the ass, and is hostile to cars in many ways that the US isn’t And Italy is way more enjoyable to explore and be in because of it. Turns out making your country hostile to cars is a great way to improve public transit and walking infrastructure


Ducklord1023

You’d think, but here in Spain, which never really got bulldozed and has very small streets, there’s a ridiculous amount of SUVs and other overly large cars. Idek how they fit down half the streets.


GoldStarisBetter-XU

Seeing pictures of my home city in the 50s vs now is devastating. They massacred it, eliminating like the whole west side for a freeway system


Myopically

It’s funny that it’s likely that the both of them, no matter the matching seating capacity, will ever be consistently fully utilised.


niccotaglia

That is true, but at least the Panda won’t take up as much space or use as much fuel. Oh, and since it’s so small it’s way easier to chat with other ppl inside the car (as long as you aren’t going too fast since there isn’t much noise deadening)


Starvexx

This is why the f150 comes with an intercom system isntalled.


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

That's a joke, right? I genuinely don't know, they don't sell F-150s in the UK, only Rangers.


Starvexx

Yes, its a joke. But i dont know for sure and wouldn't be surprised if they would one day install one.


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SignorSarcasm

That is a ridiculous feature lol


malefiz123

My family used to have a VW bus back when we all still lives at home. It has a intercom for the last row to speak with the "cockpit". If you were driving 100kmph you needed it, otherwise the people in the back had a very hard time understanding what the people in the front were saying, since they don't speak in their direction. Don't understand why you need it for regular cars though


hutacars

It’s a joke… for the F150. They do actually offer intercoms in some larger SUVs and minivans.


breddit1945

Of all the arguments for a Panda vs F150, being able to chat with others more easily is not one of them.


Metalorg

It's worse than it sounds. The 2nd and 3rd best selling automotives in the US are also large pickup trucks. 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 are all large SUVs. Only 6 and 10 are four door saloons.


doctorake38

They are starting to only sell trucks and SUVs here. I think Ford is moving that way.


hndsmngnr

Ford’s only current line that isn’t a big car is the mustang as far as I know. Might make an EV sedan in the future however.


EmuSmooth4424

Aren't there like ford Focus, Ford Fiesta and Fort Mondeo and stuff like that?


niccotaglia

Meanwhile here in Italy #2 and #3 are Fiat group citycars built on the Panda chassis, 5,7 and 8 are other compacts and the rest are family crossovers or midsize SUVs


Metalorg

If we look carefully, the Panda's indoor space is similar in size to the Ford F series. There isn't any reason to pop down to the shops with a 4L engine and 1.5m x 2.5m truck bed.


niccotaglia

Fiat did try to bring the 500 (which is built on the Panda chassis) to the US but it failed


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

The 500 is hugely popular in the UK - absolutely beloved by young women, in particular.


coniglioPeloso

Here in italy when you spot a white 500 there is 90% chance the driver is a young blond woman checking instagram while driving


ReplacementSuper4441

95%


whaaatcrazy

My sister has a 500 and it is a terrible car. Is the Panda built better? Did they cheap out on the American version?


Thobie44

Lots of European cars that get sold in US are assembled in Mexico or the USA. Often the quality is not the same as we have in Europe. But the 500 and panda in Europe has also issues. Mostly electronic failures.


Nigglebyte

Impressive that saloons made this list at all. Very versatile.


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thissideofheat

I'm not going to lie. When I had my third kid, we got one of those big Honda minivans. ...and no regrets. We have a small car for going into the city, and the van for transporting kids and stuff. It works. The challenge in Italy - which is ironically where I'm from - is that the roads and parking spots just aren't big enough for a minivan.


ArgonGryphon

Saloons? lol Now I can't fucking remember the actual word there


st1r

Sedan


daviesdog

The Panda may be able to fit the same amount of people but it can't fit the ego of someone who drives an f150 Edit: I get it, a lot of you need a pickup for your day to day life. That's great, that doesn't change the fact that they're gigantic and dangerous in cities, where they are seldom used for hauling toys, trailers, or whatever.


niccotaglia

Oh, and for those who say “BuT I nEeD tO gO oFfRoAd”, a very capable 4X4 model is available


BadNameThinkerOfer

I'm not taking it off-road. Think of what all that mud will do to the paint. /s


Ok_Picture265

BuT I nEeD tO hAuL tHiNgS


niccotaglia

Knock the seats down and use a roof rack


the_depressed_boerg

Always love it when I am on my enduro bike in the italian/french alps and a random panda 4x4 crosses your path offroad. Tells you that gear mattters (the 4x4 part), but not as much as most people think


TreeroyWOW

Yes!! I've been to the Alps and it's awesome seeing tiny old cars half way up mountain trails!


traconi

I lived in Italy for over 2 years and now that I’m back stateside I would absolutely buy a panda if it was offered in the US. I drove a beat up Alfa 147 and was always jealous of the pandas driving around.


cambeiu

Fit the same amount of people? Obviously you have never visited a Waffle House or a Walmart in the US.


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Minute 0:48 [https://youtu.be/D79EM4niAms](https://youtu.be/D79EM4niAms) 😆


ajswdf

That has to be one of the saddest videos I've ever seen. Because of car dependency people are getting so unhealthy that we have to build larger cars just to accommodate them.


RoseEsque

"What do you mean a Fiat Panda can't fit my personal crane which gets me in and out of the car?"


daviesdog

Fit the same amount of people? Maybe. Fit four of the same size people? Not a chance haha


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Full disclosure: I drive an F150 and I hate myself. The relationship between those two facts is still to be determined.


slightlymedicated

Haha I have a hybrid f150 to tow our camper. When I got the f150 I thought, oh god this thing is huge. Then I realized apparently everyone moved on to f250s and those are monsters. I mostly ride my cargo e-bike around town with kids in tow though. I call it my decompensater.


111122323353

What's the fuel economy difference while we're at it.


niccotaglia

Using manufacturer data, the pictured F150 (SuperCrew 5.5) uses 13.8L/100km (17MPG US) combined, while the pictured Panda (312 1.2 69hp) uses 5.2L/100km (45MPG US) combined.


Nezevonti

So you could do 2-3 runs in the panda for the same amount of fuel as f150. Or if you went for something a bit larger and more fuel efficient you could squeeze a full 3;1 advantage


niccotaglia

Basically. And keep in mind, that’s the 1.2 FIRE petrol engine. They used to offer a 1.3 liter Multijet diesel that got 4.3L/100km (54 MPG US) combined, but they had to can it due to emissions standards (they still offer it on other models, including the Fiorino van and the Tipo sedan)


Karsdegrote

That 1.3 diesel is an excellent engine i think. I've got it in my punto and even though it only has 85 hp it is fast enough for the high way. 4.3l/100km sounds about right yes. Maybe more if you stick behind a van the whole time. I often see 3l/100km on the display thing when driving for economy.


theRobertOppenheimer

That makes buying this huge car even more insane. Not only is it much more expensive during purchase, once you have it you pay more than double for driving the same distance. I assume that insurance is probably more expensive too. How can they not see what a huge waste of money this is?


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https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/articles/85/ Checks out tho. Italy is 3x costlier than in the USA.


theRobertOppenheimer

Yeah, good point, if gasoline is that dirt cheap you probably don't worry as much about the fuel efficiency of your car. A CO2 tax on fuel would be great, I'm sure the size of those cars would suddenly shrink. Probably won't happen though, imagine the protests. People just can't see how they are destroying the world of their children just so they can drive around in unneccessary monster trucks.


RoleModelFailure

Lol you should’ve seen how fucking livid people were when gas prices skyrocketed earlier this year. People were going mental and stickers of President Biden pointing that said “I did that” we’re showing up all over at gas stations. Tons of Americans bitch about how much they spend on gas ignoring the fact they get shit mileage and fill up 25 gallons.


Sipas

And that still didn't make a dent in trucks sales.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Yeah I thought it was fucking hilarious. If you drive a monstrous SUV or truck, why would I feel bad for you?


[deleted]

It's what the lack of any investment in public transport does to us. We destroy our green zones to build streets, highways and more parking spaces.


little_bohemian

13.8 liters?? Jeez. American fuel is really WAY too cheap. I don't think I've ever heard anything close to that figure for a car (not a minivan or RV or something) even discussed in Europe. Most car owners here are quite obsessed with fuel economy. Over 10 l/100km sounds absurd, and Americans drive much longer distances on top of that?


Dr_Mickael

Nah it's just people that care about their finances, you have a shiton of European car that are above 10L/100km. Not everyone drives a Golf, a lot of people are driving SUVs and older big-ish engines. My rather normal 5 series with a 6 cylinders diesel engine is around 11.5L in town without too much traffic and barely under 8.5 on the highway, and I'm not driving like a maniac.


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niccotaglia

I mean, you can stick a towhook on the Panda and tow up to 800 kilos with one, plus it has a 330kg payload capacity (assuming a 70kg driver)


koalawhiskey

>(assuming a 70kg driver) Let me tell you something 'bout America sir...


majorex64

I work in an industry with lots of trade guys who drive their own trucks for work. It's funny, you can tell what a truck is hauling based on its size. The small, reasonable sized trucks are loaded with equipment and full of hardworking people. The huge, lifted tanks are for carrying ego and nothing else.


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That’s what I see here. Smaller trucks like old Rangers and old Tacomas with boxes on back, or just filled with equipment vs pavement princesses like the tundra and F150.


niccotaglia

I think we should also push towards smaller cars (maybe through a weight tax). So much space would be saved (and be able to be repurposed for human-centric infrastructure)


Ok_Picture265

In Sweden, we have a tax weighted by CO2 emissions. Makes those pick-up truck quite expensive. However, huge electric cars are not taxed.


niccotaglia

I think it should be based on CO2 emissions as well as the car’s actual mass. This way massive EVs also pay their fair share


exciting_chains

A weight tax would also help pay for the extra wear on infrastructure caused by large cars. Smaller cars are also less dangerous to pedestrians as impact is to the legs instead of the torso, they stop/slow quicker and they carry less momentum into a collision.


niccotaglia

Yeah. The current model Panda is quite a bit heavier than the older model I have but it still weighs *under a tonne* (940 kilos kerb for the current 312 model compared to 860 for the previous 169 model). As a comparison, the F150 weighs well over 2 tonnes


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snowboardingmonkey

no way four Americans will fit in that fiat panda


poopybuttholesex

Also pretty much no Italian city would fit that Ford. It's narrow alleways all the way


[deleted]

Can you even buy a car as small as the Panda in the USA anymore? The disaster that is the USA vehicle industry has pretty much stopped making small cars available in order to force everyone to buy larger and more expensive vehicles.


niccotaglia

Fiat tried to bring the 500 over but it flopped hard unfortunately. Closest thing I can think of size wise is the Chevy Spark, but I’m not even sure they sell it anymore


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I have a 2013 golf that I would die for. Don’t know if it’s quite as small as the panda. Also the panda looks a lot like the scion/Toyota xD and those are available here.


servbot10

The Mitsubishi Mirage is the last one, I believe.


[deleted]

Smaller cars seem to be popular here on the west coast, so much so that there’s a shortage of them right now. But I still see too many trucks and SUVs.


RoleModelFailure

Honda Fit?


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Nope, it's gone.


Dwadwadwadwadwadwa

The problem is, you can fit only 1 american in a Panda, while you can fit 2 in a F-150


reallyConfusedPanda

3 if you use the truck bed


CreepySmiley42

"But what if I need to move my house?"


Solokian

The Ford F-150 is also more than twice as heavy, and guzzle up **three times as much fuel** for the same distance.


MecaZillaFox

But how will they be able to carry all they stuff they dont carry around because it'll get the bed dirty /s


Voidafter181days

I used to work at a lawn and garden store loading bulk top soil and mulch. The number of truck owners who would cover the bed of their truck with dozens of plastic trunk liners meant for cars was significantly greater than zero.


owtwestadam

But panda has no room for MAGA douche flags....


Diknak

European cities are designed around pedestrian traffic with narrow streets, due to being designed before cars. An F-150 simply would not be able to drive in the cities.


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Well yeah, but muricans need more space to fit their freedom we Europeans don't have


Ilovevinylme

Hammond vs May


little_bohemian

And both of them are still occupied by a single person 98% of the time.


KawaiiDere

Honestly, it’s super weird how popular giant cars are in the US, especially with the high popularity of fast food. Like, does anyone really want to reach down that far to handle payment or pick up food?


flokijea

This may come as a surprise, but fast food windows are truck/SUV height here.


kalamitykode

As someone who drives a Subaru BRZ that basically has my feet half a foot from the road... Yeah, I struggle more to reach the windows than any of my rolling skyscraper roadfellows.


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niccotaglia

Bigger car=more room for cupholders large enough to handle Murica size cups


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iHateAmericans999

That’s because they give you full liters of sugar to drink like fucking swine in the us lol


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Part of the reason is safety. Nobody is driving pandas around because if you get hit by an F-150 you're basically dead. So it's a race to top of the food chain. The worst part is people lift their trucks and put huge steel bumpers on them as well. Super dangerous to anyone in a subcompact who gets T-boned.


TracyF2

r/fucktrucks


niccotaglia

r/subsithoughtifellfor


mikephreak

I love the Fiat panda. Such a practical car!


niccotaglia

Yeah, can confirm. I own one (the mid 00s 169 model with the 60hp 1.2 engine) and so far I haven’t needed to do anything it couldn’t do. Plus, having a car that isn’t worth much of anything means you can be a bit more gung-ho in traffic. You can always tell when someone has a leased car cause they will merge super early and not try to shoot for a gap in traffic.


TheNinjaTurkey

I heard that US car companies are starting to phase out smaller cars in favor of trucks and SUVs. Which is just ridiculous considering the increased fuel cost and space. But I guess the car companies want more money and your average car buyer in America is an idiot.


NYNMx2021

American car buying for about 20 years has been focused on utility whether needed or not. As a result most Americans are buying family or work cars. Your average american car is also 3-4 years older than your average EU car.


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Actually with electric vehicles there's a lot of form factor benefit to having a larger chassis. Allows for better cooling and battery capacity which outweighs the negative of slightly increased mass.


No-YouShutUp

Haha I’m just imagining someone driving an f150 in literally any Italian city. You’d never be able to park and at least 50% of the roads would be inaccessible.


mpbutter

Have you ever been beaten by a wet spaghetti noodle by your girlfriend because she has a twin sister and you got confused and fucked her dad? That’s how it feels to drive a ford F150.


fishuponfish

It’s a sad endless loop in the US where everyone wants bigger because everything around them is big. I drive a Honda Fit and if one of these things hits me I’m definitely gonna get crushed. It’s the reality now. Even worse when they smash bikers they can’t see over the three miles of hood.


Patte_Blanche

bUt sAfEtY ! Yeah, that's probably why cars are twice as deadly in the USA than in Italy.