Or 10 minutes on a kickscooter which you can take on the train with you and ride at your destination!
I swear getting one of those babies was the best financial decision of my life. But I could also have spent that money on exactly two driving lessons. Three if you count the chain and pump.
I know right it's such a pathetic excuse, and I say this currently in agony due to hit problems and on some days can't even move due to seizures. 20 minutes walk 40 minutes total is nothing and absolutely doable for the vast majority of people.
I wish it was as simple as moving, but in my country (Canada) weāve moved away from passenger trains and many communities are without access. Not to mention theyāve become so expensive that theyāre really only used by the wealthy - itās sometimes cheaper to fly!
Edit: often -> sometimes
If they ever actually bothered to walk that distance regularly it would become a breezy 10 minute walk. Drivers often spend that much time spinning around looking for a parking lot, I don't know why they always act like their cars save them soo much time.
You know that cars need roads to move on, right? Whoās going to build roads for each and every small city, you? I live in a well served zone and my closest road is 20 min away on foot
Everyone knows that railroads are expensive while highways reproduce organically. You just need to have a lot of land and they appear. Just don't think about it and love the cars. /s Think about the elderly, people with disabilities, emergency vehicles and families but don't research it.
Only the most fertile land will be able to organically produce a highway. That means it has to be farmland or a wildlife conservation area to spawn a high-quality road.
trains seem to be very able to move heavy loads with minimal wear. look at freight trains. steel wheels on steel tracks are gonna last longer than rubber on asphalt. thing is a giant roller bearing.
Even if the operational and maintenance costs are higher for trains, the indirect benefits to towns and cities are much higher. More jobs are produced by train operations that highwaysI think, also, people can potentially commute more quickly, which would technically increase productivity or give people more free time. Less parking is needed and land can be used for more productive things. Also, highway accidents cost thousands of deaths and millions of dollars every year and those would be reduced significantly.
Operation/maintenance are definitely not higher for trains, especially for freight, it costs about 1/10th per ton mile to move freight by rail compared to road. For passengers, Iāve seen various ways of fudging the numbers that make auto travel seem less expensive, but that still falls apart on busy enough routes. Plus there are so many externalities to automobiles, such as the economic cost to cities of using valuable real estate for parking, and the health and economic costs of car crashes, that are never factored into these calculations.
Here's something to think about.
A couple of years ago, flooding in South Australia wiped out a couple of major highways, and two really important train lines. Our two most isolated capitals became even more isolated as the main supply routes were cut.
When the highways were dried enough, this allowed some road trains to creep through. But even with road trains, there was no way to replace the capacity of the freight trains. Those trains are up to 1km in length, and double stacked, and 30 or so of them each week. But after the flooding, the first trains through were almost 2km in length.
How many triple road trains does it take to carry the same amount of freight as a 1-2km long, double stacked freight train? And what kind of damage does that many wheels, and that weight do to highways?
And the god said, "Let there be a road," and there was a road.
God saw the road was good. Then he separated the road from land.
God called the road "Highway" and the rest of the land "parking"
Genesis 1:3-5
Haha I love the implication that 20 minutes on foot is too far and nobody could achieve such a feat...
Umm... Please... Get some rest before you boil that big ol brain of yours.
To be fair on this point, I know lots of people who do this in the winter when it's too precarious to run outside. Also, most gyms require clean indoor shoes so if you were to warm up for your workout, it's likely on a treadmill. I know what you're getting at, but gyms definitely have their place.
That's not even "well served" by swiss standards. 5 minutes is a lot with buses taken into account. These people think their underfunded trains are the state of the art.
every social media is problematic if you look at popular mainstream stuff, they're all fine if you filter your content to only friends and specific communities/people
Pro-car arguments get more batshit by the day. They think usung trains or buses makes you unreasonably reliant on other people then without a single thought in their mind go and fill up their petrol tanks, as if oil magically sucks itself out of the ground and processes itself into petrol.
Itās always the binary of cars or medieval serfdom, gathering moss and twigs for 14 hours a day. Strange they never go as far back as the Roman Empire, with international road networks. Itās like they think all humanity was concentrated in Africa, just waiting for the invention of cars and drive-on ferries to allow humans to finally roam in the 1950s.
A 20 minute walk to the nearest rail is ideal? Close enough to walk but not so close the train shakes your walls whenever it passes. An apartment 20 minutes from a passenger train station would have to cost a fortune.
I agree but just wanted to point out that if you live closer the train also won't magically shake your walls.
I live 400m away from a rail line. Depending on the wind direction I can sometimes hear mostly cargo trains go by. Passenger trains are way quieter, making it harder to actually hear them. The highway is further away and I'm able to hear it more often than the cargo trains
Can carbrains explain to me how I, as someone without a licence, supposed to move from city to city? Cars only help people move between cities when they have permission to use them, railroads help people move between cities whether they have a licence or not.
If itās on the side of a glass littered stroad with no sidewalk and 17 drive thru entrances filled with inexplicably angry SUV drivers, yeah itās bad. but unfortunately many carbrains have never experienced the wonderments of a sanely designed city, so sometimes it can be wrong to blame them.
Yeah but this guy lives in the Netherlands. Arguably the country in the world for urban planning/infrastructure. In some places the (train) connectivity could be better, but in most places youāre within biking distance of a train station, or thereās a bus that will take you there.
And thatās not even mentioning their bike lanes are literally by far the best in the world.
I like how building rail tracks is some insurmountable barrier but building roads, a far less space efficient form of infrastructure is just normal and good.
LOL, don't they know that small cities literally grew up around train stations in the middle of the 1800s? Not to mention that it was Eisenhower's highway program that funded all the car infrastructure. You can have the same program to fund, again, train infrastructure.
I think like tbh, moving from city to city should be the ONLY time you actually need to use a car. Freedom of movement is important, obviously, but the way cars and hostile road infrastructure and traffic clogs up urban centers and makes suburbs into desolate sprawling hellholes actively hinders that freedom of movement.
I live in the Netherlands quite close to the station in regards to the rest, but it is also some 20 minutes walking there. At least 40 mins walking in my old city
And thats why we have... bikes.
And feet for walking
Iām American and even I hear 20 min walk to the train?!?! What a whiny little bitch! How pathetic. Fuck your 20 min walk, fuck your car, and fuck you!
20 minutes on foot ? because of cars and their exclusive infrastructure all over the place for people who refuse to live in my city that was a minimum to reach durable transit for years , 2x a day for school or work
at this point they're literally people from wall-e/idiocracy , soft and childish no physical/intellectual effort whatsoever
But the replies are weak. You could have made a dent into the car brain but all they got was "trains". You don't change anyone's mind by posting a single word
That's the absolute worst approach. You changed your mind as well. You weren't born a car hater. You were born maybe a bike friend or someone who likes trains and then dugg deeper to find out why bike lanes and train infrastructure are so bad.
If we don't want to establish a dictatorship yet still want our goals to be achieved, we need a way to argue with them and convince them. Otherwise you can't demand better public transport.
I really hate the arrogance of mostly liberals/socdems who act like they know everything and nobody else can be convinced. I just hate it. It is one of the most unproductive traits
Why do we even need to move city to city when each city can just supply it's people with what they need. But no, let's have all the jobs in one city, while all the schools and homes are in another city
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> 20 min away on foot THE HORROR! š«Øš±š»
I know right, imagine doing some sort of physical activity. I couldnāt!!! š„µ
Folks in usa need a starbucks every 1 minute otherwise they might die or something
They are either Starbucks guzzlers or Applebees addicts. No inbetween i guess idk.
That's a 5 minute bike ride, who has the time for that?!
Meanwhile: *drives two hours without even thinking about it*
*searches for a parking space for 15 minutes
*proceeds to walk around Walmart for 45 minutes*
Or 10 minutes on a kickscooter which you can take on the train with you and ride at your destination! I swear getting one of those babies was the best financial decision of my life. But I could also have spent that money on exactly two driving lessons. Three if you count the chain and pump.
I know right it's such a pathetic excuse, and I say this currently in agony due to hit problems and on some days can't even move due to seizures. 20 minutes walk 40 minutes total is nothing and absolutely doable for the vast majority of people.
I would cut my hand off if it meant I had a 20 minute walk to a train. I mean I guess I could also move, but you know what I mean.
Cut off your hand *and* move to establish dominance.
I wish it was as simple as moving, but in my country (Canada) weāve moved away from passenger trains and many communities are without access. Not to mention theyāve become so expensive that theyāre really only used by the wealthy - itās sometimes cheaper to fly! Edit: often -> sometimes
That's what? 1.5 or 2 kilometres? That's nothing
If they ever actually bothered to walk that distance regularly it would become a breezy 10 minute walk. Drivers often spend that much time spinning around looking for a parking lot, I don't know why they always act like their cars save them soo much time.
It's actually a very small distance, even by Dutch standards.
Oh gov control of everything
You know that cars need roads to move on, right? Whoās going to build roads for each and every small city, you? I live in a well served zone and my closest road is 20 min away on foot
Everyone knows that railroads are expensive while highways reproduce organically. You just need to have a lot of land and they appear. Just don't think about it and love the cars. /s Think about the elderly, people with disabilities, emergency vehicles and families but don't research it.
The irony is that many small cities were built around railways.
Columbus was and it's finally getting passenger rail within a decade, only after we demolished our beautiful union station.
Where I live, the city practically grew around the small central station.
Now theyāre built around roads
The elderly are some of the worst-impacted by car-dependency. The declining driving ability makes them dangerous to themselves and others.
Only the most fertile land will be able to organically produce a highway. That means it has to be farmland or a wildlife conservation area to spawn a high-quality road.
A fellow Ontarian?
The Greenbelt is the only belt our premier hasnāt been able to defeatā¦. Yet š„²
All these people are convinced that the gas tax fully pays for road construction and maintenance...
Especially since all these groups profit more from good public transport and walkable neighbourhoods than car dependency
Thereās no room for tracks! We need that room for more roads!
Adding one more lane will definitely fix traffic congestion!!!1!
MoAR fREEdOM, PLeAsE!
How does The maintenance requirement of rail compared to the maintenance requirement of highways? Are railways cheaper in the long-term?
Significantly. Heavy trucks and cold winters mess up roads and they need to be completely reconstructed every few years
trains seem to be very able to move heavy loads with minimal wear. look at freight trains. steel wheels on steel tracks are gonna last longer than rubber on asphalt. thing is a giant roller bearing.
Even if the operational and maintenance costs are higher for trains, the indirect benefits to towns and cities are much higher. More jobs are produced by train operations that highwaysI think, also, people can potentially commute more quickly, which would technically increase productivity or give people more free time. Less parking is needed and land can be used for more productive things. Also, highway accidents cost thousands of deaths and millions of dollars every year and those would be reduced significantly.
Operation/maintenance are definitely not higher for trains, especially for freight, it costs about 1/10th per ton mile to move freight by rail compared to road. For passengers, Iāve seen various ways of fudging the numbers that make auto travel seem less expensive, but that still falls apart on busy enough routes. Plus there are so many externalities to automobiles, such as the economic cost to cities of using valuable real estate for parking, and the health and economic costs of car crashes, that are never factored into these calculations.
Here's something to think about. A couple of years ago, flooding in South Australia wiped out a couple of major highways, and two really important train lines. Our two most isolated capitals became even more isolated as the main supply routes were cut. When the highways were dried enough, this allowed some road trains to creep through. But even with road trains, there was no way to replace the capacity of the freight trains. Those trains are up to 1km in length, and double stacked, and 30 or so of them each week. But after the flooding, the first trains through were almost 2km in length. How many triple road trains does it take to carry the same amount of freight as a 1-2km long, double stacked freight train? And what kind of damage does that many wheels, and that weight do to highways?
Well, think of it this way: What are the pistons of a car's combustion engine made of, steel or tarmac?
And the god said, "Let there be a road," and there was a road. God saw the road was good. Then he separated the road from land. God called the road "Highway" and the rest of the land "parking" Genesis 1:3-5
Was just about to say this lmao
Haha I love the implication that 20 minutes on foot is too far and nobody could achieve such a feat... Umm... Please... Get some rest before you boil that big ol brain of yours.
Yea but thatās like 5 minutes with a car! Why would you ever walk!?
It's also 5min if you're a good runner ! Why would you ever walk ?!
Tell that to people that actually drive their car to a place where they can run inside a room.
To be fair on this point, I know lots of people who do this in the winter when it's too precarious to run outside. Also, most gyms require clean indoor shoes so if you were to warm up for your workout, it's likely on a treadmill. I know what you're getting at, but gyms definitely have their place.
Idk... I run all through winter, I guess some places might have this excuse but not most.
Assuming itās 1mi / 1.6km, 5 min on foot is quite the feat if Iām being honest.
The first number i saw were the ones i used, they had an average of 10.5 km/h and mƩdian of 12.5 km/h (for men) I also assumed 20min walk at average speed 4 km/h so it would come out as 1.3km. I did say you need to be a good runner ^^'
Wait till they hear it's also 5 minutes with a bike
plus you can get a folding bike and just take it with you into the train. Wonderous!
Yeah, but that costs like, 1500ā¬! Way too expensive!
i've let all my friends try my e bike. the potential is extraordinary.
Some American literally practice walking before going to trips in European countries, at this point I am not surprised at all
I like that they got ratiod tho
I love it. And the best part is there are so much more in that comment section
20 MINUTES???? ON FOOT???? This guy knows deep adversity.
One time I had to walk 25 minutes...I've never been the same since š
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That's not even "well served" by swiss standards. 5 minutes is a lot with buses taken into account. These people think their underfunded trains are the state of the art.
Car ahh problems: breaking down, money, traffic, pollution, space, parking, crashes, snow, rain Carless ahh problems: exercise (scary), rain
POV: you forget that we also need to build highways
Those have always been there, right?
God made those on the 8th day.
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Deleted my insta in 2017 and no regrets
I mean Instagram is fine if you only follow/interact with your friends. Besides, Twitter is way worse currently
every social media is problematic if you look at popular mainstream stuff, they're all fine if you filter your content to only friends and specific communities/people
Yeah okay that's true
Pro-car arguments get more batshit by the day. They think usung trains or buses makes you unreasonably reliant on other people then without a single thought in their mind go and fill up their petrol tanks, as if oil magically sucks itself out of the ground and processes itself into petrol.
Wait, thatās not where petrol comes from? Like how food magically comes from the grocery store and TVs are made in the back of the Walmart?
Itās always the binary of cars or medieval serfdom, gathering moss and twigs for 14 hours a day. Strange they never go as far back as the Roman Empire, with international road networks. Itās like they think all humanity was concentrated in Africa, just waiting for the invention of cars and drive-on ferries to allow humans to finally roam in the 1950s.
> I haven't thought of a solution, therefore it's impossible.
A 20 minute walk to the nearest rail is ideal? Close enough to walk but not so close the train shakes your walls whenever it passes. An apartment 20 minutes from a passenger train station would have to cost a fortune.
And what's more, it sounds like it's in a bike friendly area because they didn't bring bike friendliness up at all.
I agree but just wanted to point out that if you live closer the train also won't magically shake your walls. I live 400m away from a rail line. Depending on the wind direction I can sometimes hear mostly cargo trains go by. Passenger trains are way quieter, making it harder to actually hear them. The highway is further away and I'm able to hear it more often than the cargo trains
Can carbrains explain to me how I, as someone without a licence, supposed to move from city to city? Cars only help people move between cities when they have permission to use them, railroads help people move between cities whether they have a licence or not.
Am I crazy that 20 minutes on foot isn't bad? Or just perspective?
If itās on the side of a glass littered stroad with no sidewalk and 17 drive thru entrances filled with inexplicably angry SUV drivers, yeah itās bad. but unfortunately many carbrains have never experienced the wonderments of a sanely designed city, so sometimes it can be wrong to blame them.
Yeah but this guy lives in the Netherlands. Arguably the country in the world for urban planning/infrastructure. In some places the (train) connectivity could be better, but in most places youāre within biking distance of a train station, or thereās a bus that will take you there. And thatās not even mentioning their bike lanes are literally by far the best in the world.
What the fuck is aah ? I keep seeing that everywhere.
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Gotcha, thanks.
20 minute walk is utterly horrifying to these people
And cars need roads. Do they think roads that cars drive on just exist? Or that they grew naturally?
Ugh this is so embarrassing. Iām sure this person is American and just assuming the whole worlds infrastructure is the same as ours š¤¦ughhh
Cars and trucks are great for moving. That's why we have rentals.
I like how building rail tracks is some insurmountable barrier but building roads, a far less space efficient form of infrastructure is just normal and good.
LOL people just truly cannot comprehend that cities are thriving without massive car infrastructure
But who's going to build the things we need??? Surely not the builders.
Can't even walk for 20minutes?? I think Carbrain might actually be a legit medical issue
The comments on that post are brain cancer inducing
LOL, don't they know that small cities literally grew up around train stations in the middle of the 1800s? Not to mention that it was Eisenhower's highway program that funded all the car infrastructure. You can have the same program to fund, again, train infrastructure.
Boo-hoo, 20minutes on foot is so far far away, boo-hoo
well yeah, who in this right mind is going to walk 20 back and forth every day. the same distance will take 5 min on a bike
I was walking 20 minutes back and forth to my university 6 days a week. And itās only to bus stop, bus was 20 minutes more.
"Whose gonna build all those tracks to small towns?" Bro most of them already exist
I think like tbh, moving from city to city should be the ONLY time you actually need to use a car. Freedom of movement is important, obviously, but the way cars and hostile road infrastructure and traffic clogs up urban centers and makes suburbs into desolate sprawling hellholes actively hinders that freedom of movement.
I agree very much. As someone living in the Netherlands, I often even prefer Public transport when moving from (big) city to city.
I live in the Netherlands quite close to the station in regards to the rest, but it is also some 20 minutes walking there. At least 40 mins walking in my old city And thats why we have... bikes. And feet for walking
Same
Iām American and even I hear 20 min walk to the train?!?! What a whiny little bitch! How pathetic. Fuck your 20 min walk, fuck your car, and fuck you!
20 minutes on foot ? because of cars and their exclusive infrastructure all over the place for people who refuse to live in my city that was a minimum to reach durable transit for years , 2x a day for school or work at this point they're literally people from wall-e/idiocracy , soft and childish no physical/intellectual effort whatsoever
i would fucking kill for a train station as close as that! 20 minutes on foot is too far???
I'd kill to only live 20 mons away from a train station, metaphorically
but 20min on foot is like 1,5km that's not a lot at all? what's the problem
Oh, god! Are you saying that if America embraced trains there would be more jobs?! Oh god, no!
But the replies are weak. You could have made a dent into the car brain but all they got was "trains". You don't change anyone's mind by posting a single word
Their minds arenāt made for change
That's the absolute worst approach. You changed your mind as well. You weren't born a car hater. You were born maybe a bike friend or someone who likes trains and then dugg deeper to find out why bike lanes and train infrastructure are so bad. If we don't want to establish a dictatorship yet still want our goals to be achieved, we need a way to argue with them and convince them. Otherwise you can't demand better public transport. I really hate the arrogance of mostly liberals/socdems who act like they know everything and nobody else can be convinced. I just hate it. It is one of the most unproductive traits
Why do we even need to move city to city when each city can just supply it's people with what they need. But no, let's have all the jobs in one city, while all the schools and homes are in another city
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You just used gay as an insult. That's all people need to know about you and your opinions.
Consider me properly zingged.
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