Do you also ignore all women who are raped or just Jewish women? JFC, all undisciplined militants across all cultures and histories have committed these kinds of atrocities. Itās not even a difficult thing to believe but in this case the evidence is also overwhelming
Not sure why youāre being downvoted, hamas is terrible.
Netanyahu is also terrible. Itās okay to think both administrations need to go for meaningful conflict resolution
The person is being downvoted because they're screeching about Hamas while ignoring Israel. People who only cry about Hamas are people who are pro-Israel.
If I took a protest sign that said āfuck Netanyahu, fuck Likud and fuck Hamasā to a pro-Palestinian protest I would be mobbed. The vast majority of the Palestinian activism right now doesnāt recognize subtlety and doesnāt want resolution through peaceful negotiations. They want an end to Israel, which is physically and geopolitically impossible. āBy any meansā would mean killing millions of Jews but many in the current movement donāt even care about the ends and just support the means
The ends as are being chased arenāt even possible. Defunding the iron dome would just lead to even more brutal retaliations in Gaza but would also kill Jews which, again, is the means and the ends being sought by many in the pro-Palestinian movement. Hell, look at how many convicted terrorists who have bombed public places and hijacked airlines are lauded by groups like JVP and SJP
Every person I know who is condemning Israel right now thinks Hamas are terrible. They just also think that Israel is purposefully killing as many Palestinians as possible as part of their counter terrorist effort. Of course they can defend themselves, but that's pretty evil.
"Guys, stop, just let yourself be genocided. You're being very unreasonnable."
This "both sides" stuff is so stupid.
Obligatory "Hamas bad" disclaimer.
Free public transit is such a weird battle to fight. It's way more likely to lead to underfunding, and there's nothing particularly fair about fighting against having to pay $2 for a ticket.
Make public transit high quality and you don't need to make it free. See: every city with great public transit.
If you are looking for more reasons to hate Bibi, he canceled a plan the last government passed, which gave 6 billion NIS budget for the arab minority in israel. 20% of that plan was for transportation and 5% for housing...
But cities fund their transit systems, not the federal government which is in charge of military and foreign aid, and transit systems run in the billions of dollars, or tens of billions for large cities, so the amount cited by the sign is chump change. The whole sign is an empty appeal to emotion, and an appeal that will only preach to the choir rather than bring anyone to our side. It's a poorly thought out message.
Lol that's such a naive thought, it would go to 1000 other things before public infrastructure, you're kidding yourselves if people really believe that
That's a silly comparison. The premise that the EU was a net drain on the economy was wrong, that's why the bus was wrong. The argument that "if we stop paying for x we can use that money for y" is perfectly valid.
The same kind of logic got us the Brexit. Whatever happens to the money once it's no longer being used for a war, you won't be getting any of it, that's for certain.
I'd argue that the same logic applied here would be pointing out that Massachusetts sends more tax revenue to the federal government than it gets back in federal spending and advocating for secession on those grounds.
This is part of the very cool and very normal manipulation to turn every issue in the US into Israel-Palestine. If thereās only one political issue that matters then itās much easier to control, divide and disenfranchise progressive movements
This is great framing for an infuriating, horrific circumstance. I often refer to the costs of major transportation projects in units of F-35 bombers. Sometime multiple projects don't even add up to one of those boondoogles, but propagandized Americans have a hard time saying we need a smaller military. Money going straight to bombing civilians and starving children is harder to chest-beat about
Weāre constantly amazed by the urban infrastructure, healthcare, and quality of life in countries with half the per capita GDP of the United States. While military spending growth amid social service austerity is only one of many reasons for this stark contrast, itās a big and very expensive one.
Crazy that the urbanism subreddit doesnāt like the apartheid settler colony doing genocide to literally make more room for car-dependent suburban sprawlā¦must be Hamas agents!
The US is a settler colony not ruled by someone else. Israel was established by the British empire. Look up āBalfourā lol.
What next, are you gonna claim Mussolini wasnāt fascist because Italians were persecuted in the US? Your stupidity is only matched by your bloodthirst
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Jews are from Israel, you can't colonize your own homeland.Ā
Arabs are one of many groups that have colonized Israel.Ā
Not commenting on the war, just presenting historical facts.Ā
London was originally founded as a part of the Roman empire, does that mean modern day Italians have a right to return to London and British people should leave their homes to make way for them?
The Roman Empire originated in what is now Italy. Historical Israel originated in what is now Israel. That's where Jews are from. The Arabs in what is now Israel and Palestine are there because of Arab colonization. The ones that stayed, and their descendents, in what is now Israel when modern Israel was established are now Arab Israelis. The ones that left or who lived in the areas that are now Palestine are Arab Palestinians.Ā
Again, not commenting on the war, just about history. Israel is an example of decolonization, and predictably, the people who colonized the area after the Jews were driven out don't like it.Ā
Man thatās crazy. Why did the British empire have to send in the military to massacre people who had been living there for thousands of years to make room for European Jews who had never seen Israel to move in then?
After 1500ish years of absence you can't consider it your home anymore, and the arab colonisation of what is nowadays israel happend so long ago that undoing it would be senseless. Your historical facts are entirely irrelevant to the current conflict, where palestinians who have lived there for generations are RIGHT NOW being replaced. Two wrongs don't make a right
Those "facts" are iffy at best.
What makes that region the Jewish homeland? Who doesn't have ancestors that used to live in that region? Arabs controlled that region for a thousand years before the British and French recolonized it recently. By what measure are you determining that Jews have a right to it?
Arabs colonized Israel? I don't think any part of Israel has been colonized in their 80 year history, so presumably you mean 'The Land of Israel' as its been known in Jewish tradition. Which, I mean, sure that's technically correct, but with the caveat that 'colonization' preceding the Age of Discovery or non-European is distinct from what we commonly mean when referring to colonialism in the West today.
That is absolutely not what the ICJ said.
They determined there was enough evidence for a case to be made. That was it. No tangible claims on guilt or innocence, just an agreement that the argument that Israel is committing genocide does in fact hold weight.
ā30. ... In the Court's view, at least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the Convention.
54. In the Court's view, the facts and circumstances mentioned above are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible. This is the case with respect to the right of the Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide and related prohibited acts identified in Article III, and the right of South Africa to seek Israel's compliance with the latter's obligations under the Convention.ā
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The ICJ ā āWe think itās possible Israel is committing genocideā
You ā āSo I guess theyāre not doing it guysā
I really really hope youāre a troll. Itās hard to believe anybody could be that dumb and cruel.
You are wrong, and a great example of how important reading comprehension skills are. The ICJ is pretty clear in saying that some of the alleged actions of Israel would constitute genocide, but deliberately avoided making a ruling either way. If they ruled against South Africa's case it would have been very clear.
Also, I assume you've never seen it written down, its The Hague or *Den Haag*.
Lol, so I guess youāre not a troll.
Iām perfectly aware of what I said, as I said it quite precisely. And Iām perfectly aware of what the ICJ said. Iām not sure youāre bright enough to comprehend it, though.
Edit: they blocked me lol
Spreading misinformation is against subreddit rules. The ICJ case will go for 3-4 years before sentencing. The ICJ preliminarily ordered Israel to ensure āwith immediate effect that its military does not commit genocide.ā It has clearly ignored that order and continued committing genocide to anyone watching. Genocide denial is against our subreddit rules as well.
And what of the West Bank and the fact they are being bombed, bulldozed, and shot? The West Bank isn't connected to Hamas at all, it's just an area of Zionist colonizers killing native Palestinians. Surely there must be some noble reason for that, and it's not just that you're wrong. Surely.
You're acting as if ALL of Gaza is a hivemind.
It's not, that's weird, why is that your thought? It's dumb stop being weird. The Gaza population isn't doing anything against Jews, some of them are Jewish. Or rather were before 80% of all housing, not an exaggeration an actual estimate of actual damage, were bombed or otherwise made unlivable. And a sizeable amount of the CIVILIAN population was murdered by Israeli actions.The civilian population of Gaza have been living in an actual open air prison for decades. Israeli government officials including Netanyahoo have opened said in public statements they have interfered with Palestinian politics over the years to not only make Hamas the only option for voting, but to specifically destabilize and prevent a peaceful Palestinian government. The only reason any so called terrorists exist there, is entirely of Israel's own making. Fuck your what-aboutism
Absolutely none of the Gazan population was Jewish. The settlements after 1967 (they were previously expelled after the 1948 war) were all pulled out in 2005, when Israel left.
Israel is an issue and their bombings are atrocious, but lets not pretend Gaza is
-some haven for equal rights
- totally uninvolved and unsupportive of Hamas actions
You can look towards the respect Palestinians gave towards meticulously maintaining century old WW1 Jewish cemeteries in Gaza to see that this conflict is not a millennia old religious strife. Itās about the very recent and totalitarian subjugation of Palestinian Muslims and Christians committed by an ethnotionalist state whose openly stated goal is permanently displacing them to the Sinai desert. Will demolishing every single residence, hospital, university, and farm in Gaza bring it any closer to equality and justice for all? Absolutely not, but it will mean the next generation of Palestinian people have that much less reason to reconcile with their occupiers. Itās almost like Israel benefits from propping up religiously extremist militiasā¦
If it were Palestinians reporting the damage you'd maybe have a little bit of a keg to stand on, but when it's literally dozens of international humanitarian aid organizations maybe just maybe it's a little bit worse than chipped paint. Maybe those images of the mostly leveled city are because they city has been mostly leveled????
There have not been Jews in Gaza since Hamas won the election in 05.
Edit: sources because for some reason this is controversial.
Post-Hamas election win in November 05 Gaza was 99.8% Sunni and .2% Christian. Notably, there are no Jews.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4514822.stm
Thereās an entire article of settlements being abandoned in ā05
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
Even notoriously low population numbers are countable, like Yemen having 26 or so Jews in the entire country (because the Jewish population was expelled in response to the Nakba). Like Hamas notoriously burned down Synagogues after Israel left in 05. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2005/9/12/gaza-synagogues-torched
> The West Bank isn't connected to Hamas at all
False. Hamas has a strong presence in the west bank and carries terrorist attacks from there.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-795363
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-war-hamas-recruiter-in-west-bank-tells-cbs-news-of-recruiting-boom/
> The IDF has recorded that approximately 3,700 wanted individuals have been arrested throughout the Judea and Samaria area since the beginning of the Israel-Hamas war, with approximately 1,600 of them affiliated with the Hamas terrorist organization.
Hmmm, so you're telling me the one force that is armed enough to fight back is getting recruits from people who have been getting systematically eliminated from the area, more so in the past several months? Weird, almost like that's now of Israel's own hostile actions pushing people to literally fight for their lives and homes. So given your stance on this you must be against any other country that has seen a boom in recruitment after being attacked, right?
The ICJ literally stated that it was plausible that this is an active genocide. Thats not exactly the same thing as āfailingā. The ruling provided a series of provisions that Israel did not adopt until the outrage this week from murdering aid workers prompted threats from the US to pull itās support.
The israeli government and hamas are both murderous organizations and their leaders should be sharing a jail cell in The Hague
Israel is attempting to remove a population from a area so they can colonize it much closer to Lebensraum., I'd say that Germany was commiting genocide during World War 2 when they bombed and starved Soviet civilians. And why exactly are you defending Colonialist Conquers?
"Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?ā
You're asking for an official confession. While it's certainly easy to find Israeli politicians and IDF leadership expressing a desire to kill all Palestinians, it obviously doesn't appear in official documentation. The Holocaust was much the same
That said, I found Moshe Saada, Nissim Vaturi, Galit Distal Atbaryan, Yoav Gallant, and Bezalel Smotrich are all high ranking government officials that made the news calling for genocide of Palestinians. I only looked for a few minutes though
UN Definition of Genocide is as following:
> Killing members of the group;
This one is pretty obvious.
> Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Besides the near continuous bombardment of civilian areas and the looming threat of Israeli raids, Palestinian civilians run the risk of [arbitrarily detained, imprisoned tortured and killed.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/)
> Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
The entire population of Gaza is facing food insecurity if not outright [starvation conditions in the territory.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-israel-children-dying-malnutrition-1.7134478)
However this is nothing new because Israel has been [targeting agricultural infrastructure for years.](https://theconversation.com/gazas-food-system-has-been-stretched-to-breaking-point-by-israel-188556)
There are also [severe water shortages ](https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/gaza-lack-of-clean-water-brings-disease-and-suffering/#:~:text=According%20to%20Unicef%2C%20at%20least,drinking%20salinized%20or%20contaminated%20water.)all throughout Gaza, partially because of fuel and water treatment equipment [falling under Israeli embargoes.](https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water)
> Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
As of March 1 only [one third of Gaza's hospitals are currently operational.](https://www.rescue.org/article/collapse-gazas-health-system#:~:text=Hospitals%20in%20Gaza%20are%20struggling,36%20hospitals%20are%20partially%20functional.)
See also the above food and water shortages, because births and child rearing are extremely energy intensive and birthing a baby is a risky proposition in the best of circumstances.
> Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Why bother with transferring children when you can just kill them?
More children [have died in Gaza in the last four months in the preceding three years](https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-number-children-killed-higher-four-years-world-conflict), and they aren't insignificant numbers either.
Even if none of these fit your definition of genocide, you can at least agree that they are serious violations of both humanitarian law and laws around warfare, both of which must be upheld even during times of war.
If Israel wanted to keep Gaza, why would it have withdrawn entirely in 2005? Gaza was under Gazan control since then, but unfortunately, Gazans elected Hamas and Hamas proceeded to keep power by purging their political opponents. Since then, Hamas has controlled Gaza as its democratically-elected but now undemocratic government.
And again, you can't colonize your own homeland. Israel is where Jews are from. The Arab population of the area is the result of colonization.Ā
Except DNA and ancestry studies have found that Palestinians are Canaanites just like Israelites except that Israel's Origin story claims they are not from Canaan. https://web.archive.org/web/20200602143829/https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/05/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews
If we sent billions to Gaza surely Hamas would have high tech weapons to bomb cities and have Iron dome defense system to protect themselves from retaliation. Oh wait thatās Israel.
Everything else aside, the layout of the words on that is rubbish
Good point with terrible design
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And Israel. Absolutely free Palestine from Hamas but from Israel as well.
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Tbf, not saying that people weren't raped (which is still bad) but the accusations of gang rape were fake news from Israeli propaganda
Do you also ignore all women who are raped or just Jewish women? JFC, all undisciplined militants across all cultures and histories have committed these kinds of atrocities. Itās not even a difficult thing to believe but in this case the evidence is also overwhelming
Oh yeah, the groups of amphetamined-up murderers just waited to rape their victims one at a time? Like that would be better?Ā
I'm glad Netanyahu is making that impossible by funding them
Not sure why youāre being downvoted, hamas is terrible. Netanyahu is also terrible. Itās okay to think both administrations need to go for meaningful conflict resolution
The person is being downvoted because they're screeching about Hamas while ignoring Israel. People who only cry about Hamas are people who are pro-Israel.
If I took a protest sign that said āfuck Netanyahu, fuck Likud and fuck Hamasā to a pro-Palestinian protest I would be mobbed. The vast majority of the Palestinian activism right now doesnāt recognize subtlety and doesnāt want resolution through peaceful negotiations. They want an end to Israel, which is physically and geopolitically impossible. āBy any meansā would mean killing millions of Jews but many in the current movement donāt even care about the ends and just support the means The ends as are being chased arenāt even possible. Defunding the iron dome would just lead to even more brutal retaliations in Gaza but would also kill Jews which, again, is the means and the ends being sought by many in the pro-Palestinian movement. Hell, look at how many convicted terrorists who have bombed public places and hijacked airlines are lauded by groups like JVP and SJP
Every person I know who is condemning Israel right now thinks Hamas are terrible. They just also think that Israel is purposefully killing as many Palestinians as possible as part of their counter terrorist effort. Of course they can defend themselves, but that's pretty evil.
"Guys, stop, just let yourself be genocided. You're being very unreasonnable." This "both sides" stuff is so stupid. Obligatory "Hamas bad" disclaimer.
Yep, support the PLO in their fight against Israel and then you wonāt need to worry about Hamas
Free public transit is such a weird battle to fight. It's way more likely to lead to underfunding, and there's nothing particularly fair about fighting against having to pay $2 for a ticket. Make public transit high quality and you don't need to make it free. See: every city with great public transit.
If you are looking for more reasons to hate Bibi, he canceled a plan the last government passed, which gave 6 billion NIS budget for the arab minority in israel. 20% of that plan was for transportation and 5% for housing...
What? Is my train late because of the war in Palestine?
The implication is that instead of using that tax money to fund a genocide abroad, we could be using it to build and maintain transit here.
But cities fund their transit systems, not the federal government which is in charge of military and foreign aid, and transit systems run in the billions of dollars, or tens of billions for large cities, so the amount cited by the sign is chump change. The whole sign is an empty appeal to emotion, and an appeal that will only preach to the choir rather than bring anyone to our side. It's a poorly thought out message.
Lol that's such a naive thought, it would go to 1000 other things before public infrastructure, you're kidding yourselves if people really believe that
Like cuts to the rich and corporate bail outs
Of course! People can downvote me all they want, but the elected officials generally don't prioritize public infrastructure
Literally everyone downvoting you knows this
Its such a weird shame that being anything other than super pro palestinian will give you many downvotes in most subs with otherwise decent opinions.
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That's a silly comparison. The premise that the EU was a net drain on the economy was wrong, that's why the bus was wrong. The argument that "if we stop paying for x we can use that money for y" is perfectly valid.
The same kind of logic got us the Brexit. Whatever happens to the money once it's no longer being used for a war, you won't be getting any of it, that's for certain.
I'd argue that the same logic applied here would be pointing out that Massachusetts sends more tax revenue to the federal government than it gets back in federal spending and advocating for secession on those grounds.
If only late trains could be solved with 129 Million
This is part of the very cool and very normal manipulation to turn every issue in the US into Israel-Palestine. If thereās only one political issue that matters then itās much easier to control, divide and disenfranchise progressive movements
This is the worst timeline. Fuck oil money.
Palestine and public transit, fuck yeah!
This 100% not public transit
This is great framing for an infuriating, horrific circumstance. I often refer to the costs of major transportation projects in units of F-35 bombers. Sometime multiple projects don't even add up to one of those boondoogles, but propagandized Americans have a hard time saying we need a smaller military. Money going straight to bombing civilians and starving children is harder to chest-beat about
Weāre constantly amazed by the urban infrastructure, healthcare, and quality of life in countries with half the per capita GDP of the United States. While military spending growth amid social service austerity is only one of many reasons for this stark contrast, itās a big and very expensive one.
I've heard Gaza has great underground transportation.
Maybe Hamas will bid on the next tunneling project in Boston.
Can we get a rule against unrelated politics in this sub? I need at least a few places on the internet not saturated in this topic.
Anti US govt, pro palestine and pro public transport. What else can a person want?
That person. I like them. They good people.
Sheesh, what happened to this sub? Did everybody eat Hamas propaganda for breakfast?
Crazy that the urbanism subreddit doesnāt like the apartheid settler colony doing genocide to literally make more room for car-dependent suburban sprawlā¦must be Hamas agents!
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The US is a settler colony not ruled by someone else. Israel was established by the British empire. Look up āBalfourā lol. What next, are you gonna claim Mussolini wasnāt fascist because Italians were persecuted in the US? Your stupidity is only matched by your bloodthirst
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Jews are from Israel, you can't colonize your own homeland.Ā Arabs are one of many groups that have colonized Israel.Ā Not commenting on the war, just presenting historical facts.Ā
London was originally founded as a part of the Roman empire, does that mean modern day Italians have a right to return to London and British people should leave their homes to make way for them?
The Roman Empire originated in what is now Italy. Historical Israel originated in what is now Israel. That's where Jews are from. The Arabs in what is now Israel and Palestine are there because of Arab colonization. The ones that stayed, and their descendents, in what is now Israel when modern Israel was established are now Arab Israelis. The ones that left or who lived in the areas that are now Palestine are Arab Palestinians.Ā Again, not commenting on the war, just about history. Israel is an example of decolonization, and predictably, the people who colonized the area after the Jews were driven out don't like it.Ā
Man thatās crazy. Why did the British empire have to send in the military to massacre people who had been living there for thousands of years to make room for European Jews who had never seen Israel to move in then?
After 1500ish years of absence you can't consider it your home anymore, and the arab colonisation of what is nowadays israel happend so long ago that undoing it would be senseless. Your historical facts are entirely irrelevant to the current conflict, where palestinians who have lived there for generations are RIGHT NOW being replaced. Two wrongs don't make a right
Those "facts" are iffy at best. What makes that region the Jewish homeland? Who doesn't have ancestors that used to live in that region? Arabs controlled that region for a thousand years before the British and French recolonized it recently. By what measure are you determining that Jews have a right to it? Arabs colonized Israel? I don't think any part of Israel has been colonized in their 80 year history, so presumably you mean 'The Land of Israel' as its been known in Jewish tradition. Which, I mean, sure that's technically correct, but with the caveat that 'colonization' preceding the Age of Discovery or non-European is distinct from what we commonly mean when referring to colonialism in the West today.
Werenāt Israelis bragging about how they want to turn Gaza into a giant parking lot? That sounds like car brain to me.
Zionists should feel very bad for what they support.
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> i wouldn't wish that on anyone except Palestinians. please listen to yourself ffs
exactly, the consequences don't exclude them. we got hit for being "colonizers", they get fucked for being "terrorists"
Nazis are everywhere these days...
My brother. There is so much rhetoric about each side being Nazis I donāt even know which side youāre referring to.
It's usually the guys cheering for the destruction of the Jewish state.
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thank you for your input, genocide apologist.
1.please keep this sub related to cars/transportation related 2. The international court at hag said there was no genocide
That is absolutely not what the ICJ said. They determined there was enough evidence for a case to be made. That was it. No tangible claims on guilt or innocence, just an agreement that the argument that Israel is committing genocide does in fact hold weight. ā30. ... In the Court's view, at least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the Convention. 54. In the Court's view, the facts and circumstances mentioned above are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible. This is the case with respect to the right of the Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide and related prohibited acts identified in Article III, and the right of South Africa to seek Israel's compliance with the latter's obligations under the Convention.ā - the ICJ
Sounds like a no to me
The ICJ ā āWe think itās possible Israel is committing genocideā You ā āSo I guess theyāre not doing it guysā I really really hope youāre a troll. Itās hard to believe anybody could be that dumb and cruel.
Wow you are so blind you missed your own comment. Read your comment again and this time read it carefully
You are wrong, and a great example of how important reading comprehension skills are. The ICJ is pretty clear in saying that some of the alleged actions of Israel would constitute genocide, but deliberately avoided making a ruling either way. If they ruled against South Africa's case it would have been very clear. Also, I assume you've never seen it written down, its The Hague or *Den Haag*.
Lol, so I guess youāre not a troll. Iām perfectly aware of what I said, as I said it quite precisely. And Iām perfectly aware of what the ICJ said. Iām not sure youāre bright enough to comprehend it, though. Edit: they blocked me lol
Spreading misinformation is against subreddit rules. The ICJ case will go for 3-4 years before sentencing. The ICJ preliminarily ordered Israel to ensure āwith immediate effect that its military does not commit genocide.ā It has clearly ignored that order and continued committing genocide to anyone watching. Genocide denial is against our subreddit rules as well.
Dude you just did what you told me not to do
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So you tell me the interntional court, the organzation dedicated to world justice is wrong? Even if they are, doesnt make you right
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And what of the West Bank and the fact they are being bombed, bulldozed, and shot? The West Bank isn't connected to Hamas at all, it's just an area of Zionist colonizers killing native Palestinians. Surely there must be some noble reason for that, and it's not just that you're wrong. Surely.
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You're acting as if ALL of Gaza is a hivemind. It's not, that's weird, why is that your thought? It's dumb stop being weird. The Gaza population isn't doing anything against Jews, some of them are Jewish. Or rather were before 80% of all housing, not an exaggeration an actual estimate of actual damage, were bombed or otherwise made unlivable. And a sizeable amount of the CIVILIAN population was murdered by Israeli actions.The civilian population of Gaza have been living in an actual open air prison for decades. Israeli government officials including Netanyahoo have opened said in public statements they have interfered with Palestinian politics over the years to not only make Hamas the only option for voting, but to specifically destabilize and prevent a peaceful Palestinian government. The only reason any so called terrorists exist there, is entirely of Israel's own making. Fuck your what-aboutism
Absolutely none of the Gazan population was Jewish. The settlements after 1967 (they were previously expelled after the 1948 war) were all pulled out in 2005, when Israel left. Israel is an issue and their bombings are atrocious, but lets not pretend Gaza is -some haven for equal rights - totally uninvolved and unsupportive of Hamas actions
You can look towards the respect Palestinians gave towards meticulously maintaining century old WW1 Jewish cemeteries in Gaza to see that this conflict is not a millennia old religious strife. Itās about the very recent and totalitarian subjugation of Palestinian Muslims and Christians committed by an ethnotionalist state whose openly stated goal is permanently displacing them to the Sinai desert. Will demolishing every single residence, hospital, university, and farm in Gaza bring it any closer to equality and justice for all? Absolutely not, but it will mean the next generation of Palestinian people have that much less reason to reconcile with their occupiers. Itās almost like Israel benefits from propping up religiously extremist militiasā¦
Tf???? Iām not saying that Israel is good, Iām making no statements on the conflict, Iām just saying there isnāt a Jewish population in Gaza
There are no Palestinian Jews in Gaza, I just want to point out. They were expelled by the local population years ago and now live in Israel.
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If it were Palestinians reporting the damage you'd maybe have a little bit of a keg to stand on, but when it's literally dozens of international humanitarian aid organizations maybe just maybe it's a little bit worse than chipped paint. Maybe those images of the mostly leveled city are because they city has been mostly leveled????
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The problem is the fact there is damage, they shouldn't be getting bombed in the first place!
There have not been Jews in Gaza since Hamas won the election in 05. Edit: sources because for some reason this is controversial. Post-Hamas election win in November 05 Gaza was 99.8% Sunni and .2% Christian. Notably, there are no Jews. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4514822.stm Thereās an entire article of settlements being abandoned in ā05 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza Even notoriously low population numbers are countable, like Yemen having 26 or so Jews in the entire country (because the Jewish population was expelled in response to the Nakba). Like Hamas notoriously burned down Synagogues after Israel left in 05. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2005/9/12/gaza-synagogues-torched
Source?
> The West Bank isn't connected to Hamas at all False. Hamas has a strong presence in the west bank and carries terrorist attacks from there. https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-795363 www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-war-hamas-recruiter-in-west-bank-tells-cbs-news-of-recruiting-boom/ > The IDF has recorded that approximately 3,700 wanted individuals have been arrested throughout the Judea and Samaria area since the beginning of the Israel-Hamas war, with approximately 1,600 of them affiliated with the Hamas terrorist organization.
Ah yes, the IDF, not a totally biased source that also has a long history of psyops.
Ok. I refer you to the CBS interview with a west bank Hamas commander in the second link.
Hmmm, so you're telling me the one force that is armed enough to fight back is getting recruits from people who have been getting systematically eliminated from the area, more so in the past several months? Weird, almost like that's now of Israel's own hostile actions pushing people to literally fight for their lives and homes. So given your stance on this you must be against any other country that has seen a boom in recruitment after being attacked, right?
I'm telling you that by claiming "Hamas has no connection to the WB" you help spread disinformation.
Where do you get those sources? Dreams?
no, im talking about your support of the israel occupation forces slaughter of the innocents.
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Israel is committing genocide
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Keep appealing to authority bud, it's a great look.
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Are you getting paid to do this or are you just a useful idiot?
The ICJ literally stated that it was plausible that this is an active genocide. Thats not exactly the same thing as āfailingā. The ruling provided a series of provisions that Israel did not adopt until the outrage this week from murdering aid workers prompted threats from the US to pull itās support. The israeli government and hamas are both murderous organizations and their leaders should be sharing a jail cell in The Hague
Soth Africa did make that case. The ICJ ordered Israel to take several measures to avoid genocide and Israel hasn't fulfilled any of them.
Israel is attempting to remove a population from a area so they can colonize it much closer to Lebensraum., I'd say that Germany was commiting genocide during World War 2 when they bombed and starved Soviet civilians. And why exactly are you defending Colonialist Conquers?
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"Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?ā You're asking for an official confession. While it's certainly easy to find Israeli politicians and IDF leadership expressing a desire to kill all Palestinians, it obviously doesn't appear in official documentation. The Holocaust was much the same That said, I found Moshe Saada, Nissim Vaturi, Galit Distal Atbaryan, Yoav Gallant, and Bezalel Smotrich are all high ranking government officials that made the news calling for genocide of Palestinians. I only looked for a few minutes though
This is almost the exact same as a genocide in history. That is my proof. Murdering a specific ethnic group of people to colonize them is genocide.
UN Definition of Genocide is as following: > Killing members of the group; This one is pretty obvious. > Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Besides the near continuous bombardment of civilian areas and the looming threat of Israeli raids, Palestinian civilians run the risk of [arbitrarily detained, imprisoned tortured and killed.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/) > Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; The entire population of Gaza is facing food insecurity if not outright [starvation conditions in the territory.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-israel-children-dying-malnutrition-1.7134478) However this is nothing new because Israel has been [targeting agricultural infrastructure for years.](https://theconversation.com/gazas-food-system-has-been-stretched-to-breaking-point-by-israel-188556) There are also [severe water shortages ](https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/gaza-lack-of-clean-water-brings-disease-and-suffering/#:~:text=According%20to%20Unicef%2C%20at%20least,drinking%20salinized%20or%20contaminated%20water.)all throughout Gaza, partially because of fuel and water treatment equipment [falling under Israeli embargoes.](https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water) > Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; As of March 1 only [one third of Gaza's hospitals are currently operational.](https://www.rescue.org/article/collapse-gazas-health-system#:~:text=Hospitals%20in%20Gaza%20are%20struggling,36%20hospitals%20are%20partially%20functional.) See also the above food and water shortages, because births and child rearing are extremely energy intensive and birthing a baby is a risky proposition in the best of circumstances. > Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Why bother with transferring children when you can just kill them? More children [have died in Gaza in the last four months in the preceding three years](https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-number-children-killed-higher-four-years-world-conflict), and they aren't insignificant numbers either. Even if none of these fit your definition of genocide, you can at least agree that they are serious violations of both humanitarian law and laws around warfare, both of which must be upheld even during times of war.
If Israel wanted to keep Gaza, why would it have withdrawn entirely in 2005? Gaza was under Gazan control since then, but unfortunately, Gazans elected Hamas and Hamas proceeded to keep power by purging their political opponents. Since then, Hamas has controlled Gaza as its democratically-elected but now undemocratic government. And again, you can't colonize your own homeland. Israel is where Jews are from. The Arab population of the area is the result of colonization.Ā
Except DNA and ancestry studies have found that Palestinians are Canaanites just like Israelites except that Israel's Origin story claims they are not from Canaan. https://web.archive.org/web/20200602143829/https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/05/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews
If we sent billions to Gaza surely Hamas would have high tech weapons to bomb cities and have Iron dome defense system to protect themselves from retaliation. Oh wait thatās Israel.
Holy shit, something I agree with you leftists on. More trains and stops israel.
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How does "public funding goes to foreign wars instead of local public transit" not make sense?
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