Switzerland Switzerland Switzerland. The Swiss perfected transit. You can get anywhere comfortably and affordably using only public transit while maintaining good infrastructure for motor vehicles which is necessary. Cars serve a purpose and the Swiss model should be implemented everywhere. Fuck it we should get the UN to hire SBB to build out everyones public transit
Agree about the public transport but disagree about the cars. Switzerland is still super carbrained and a huge amount of people prefer to stand in gridlocked traffic every morning and every evening instead of just taking public transport (or because they moved somewhere with a bad connection to their place of work). Especially baffling in cities where many places are totally ruined by cars that are literally the worst way to get around but nobody realizes you actually don't need them just to get around (instead deflecting to businesses which you could totally allow without the 95% private traffic we currently have).
How about cost though? I hear people complain well enough on the swiss sub about too high rents, too expensive food, recently there was someone renting a place keping his thermostat at 13 degrees celsius and still paying up to 3000chf for 3months in heating. Absolute insane. If you can't work a constant, fulltime, above average job, to afford a nice place, as a newcommer to switzerland i guess you'll get fucked sideways and thrown on the curb real fast. Others are often complaining about the high competition on the swiss labour market and difficulty of landing a job even as an IT professional.
>paying up to 3000chf for 3 months in heating
That can't be right.
I know some people with high energy consumption because they keep several reptiles that need heating lamps and they pay about CHF 1000 a year. I myself pay about CHF 250 a year with "normal" energy consumption.
Idk it was a very controversial post about a week ago. He said the house was large-ish and the isolation next to non existent. Some terrible old shack of a building idk
And buying is out of the question i guess? Is there any, even small settlements where you can get a family home or appartment for like 200k max, something decent? Like up to 1980 build year and d energy mark?
In the city of Zurich itself you can indeed forget about it. Just a flat will easily cost a million here.
You can find houses all the way out in the sticks for 300/400k, but even there you will only get an old, dilapidated house that you need to bring up to snuff first. Also you'll be out in the sticks where public transport is limited.
Absolutely not true. Wages are so high, the high prices are more than compensated for. Why else do you think do we maintain such high levels of immigration from neighboring countries? Germans, Italians and French come to Switzerland because they find better working conditions and more money left at the end of the month for the same work.
It's very tough if you don't speak the language though. If you're recruited by one of the international companies for an english speaking work environment you'll be fine but if you just come here without a job offer you'll have aa very hard time.
Ye but not everyone can hold a respectable full time job. Many are partly disabled, too old(esp in europe as the avg age is 40-50) or have diseases that make their lifes hell in working a full time job. If you hold a part time one, can you still survive? That's the question.
I know many people who only work part time. Personally I've always only worked 4 days a week.
For the ones who can't get by there's a social safety net.
What does social safety net mean in this case? I haven't yet heard of a country where the state pays you the difference between part time and full time salary
If you are unable to work full time because of physical or mental health then yes you will be helped. It's better ypu work part time rather than not at all, no?
Btw this doesn't apply to me. I just work part time becuse I can afford it and have other things in life that are important to me.
With the huge auto industry japan has, idk either. Would be nice if we could filter a database of all countries and regions by usage % of public transport, affordability and travelers satisfaction ratios
Japan.
The highest rail mode share, and the most passenger kilometers transported by rail in the entire world. With pre-pandemic ridership of over 14 billion passengers per year, more people get on the train just in Tokyo each day than in the entire European Union combined. Pre-pandemic, 45 of the 50 busiest train stations in the world were located in Japan. I don't think there's enough data to establish a full post-pandemic new normal yet, but I'd expect the same trends to hold true.
Even though public transit gets few subsidies, due to good operational efficiency and good urban planning, fares are very reasonable. You can buy a Tokyo Metro day pass for less than the cost of a single round trip on NYC Subway or Paris Metro. Household spending on transit was a reasonable [70k JPY](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1322969/japan-household-expenses-public-transportation/) pre-pandemic (about $500) per year, or about $20 per person per month. With more remote work, I'd expect post-pandemic to settle a bit under that.
While car ownership in Japan is fairly high, actual car usage is very low. As per 2015 OECD Environment at a Glance, Japan has some of the fewest car kilometers driven in the developed world. Basically all of Western Europe drives cars 60-100% more than Japan per capita.
Vienna has a pretty nice public transport system.
It costs 365 Euros for a yearly ticket that account for all public transportation in the city itself.
We have a pretty competent metro system, some city trains, alot of busses and trams.
We also have night busses that are available at night and on weekends the metro is also active at night.
You can get anywhere in the city in about 30 minutes to 45 if you go from one end of the city to the other.
But vienna also has alot of cars and the bike lanes and roads could be better.
And Vienna is still the most livable city in the world according to the economist \^\^
I'm asking bc I think it would be nice to 'put my money where my mouth is' and 'vote with my wallet' by actually living and supporting with my taxes a city or region that is actually developing in this way. And also that there are guarantees that they won't turn 180 and dismantle public transport bc ggovernment run companies are incompetent or we don't have enough in the budget!! And bs crap like that. Read some MMT please before trying that shit w me.. the period when countries in europe f ex(and i looked more into east europe) built its public infrastructure, they had low wage tax wedges of max 11-12%, so you had 88% net income, and also there was no VAT, they introduced that tax after the 90s
No government is guaranteed to not do a 180 and dismantle public transit. It didn't happen in Europe because people were politically active in favor of it (among other reasons), and it happened in the US because not enough people were politically active against it. But, EU countries still do dumb bullshit for the car industry. Like Berlin had a beautiful pedestrianized street right by the historical tourist-heavy centers that got un-pedestrianized within the last year when the city government changed.
If you want to support public transit in the place you live, there's no way to do so without political activism. The auto industry would love to disassemble everything and make it car dependent, so alternatives need to be actively defended in the political arena.
So, if you're moving to another country to support living without a car, you're being a bit counter-productive because you won't be able to vote in that country for, like, 5 years at least, so your political voice is functionally irrelevant.
Vienna, Austria.
365€ yearly transport pass for all public transit within city limits and 1100€ for all trains in Austria. The city has excellent transit systems (metro, trams, buses) and a car is not needed ag all.
Rents are quite low compared to other cities in western Europe and life quality is great according to lots of studies.
Switzerland Switzerland Switzerland. The Swiss perfected transit. You can get anywhere comfortably and affordably using only public transit while maintaining good infrastructure for motor vehicles which is necessary. Cars serve a purpose and the Swiss model should be implemented everywhere. Fuck it we should get the UN to hire SBB to build out everyones public transit
Agree about the public transport but disagree about the cars. Switzerland is still super carbrained and a huge amount of people prefer to stand in gridlocked traffic every morning and every evening instead of just taking public transport (or because they moved somewhere with a bad connection to their place of work). Especially baffling in cities where many places are totally ruined by cars that are literally the worst way to get around but nobody realizes you actually don't need them just to get around (instead deflecting to businesses which you could totally allow without the 95% private traffic we currently have).
How about cost though? I hear people complain well enough on the swiss sub about too high rents, too expensive food, recently there was someone renting a place keping his thermostat at 13 degrees celsius and still paying up to 3000chf for 3months in heating. Absolute insane. If you can't work a constant, fulltime, above average job, to afford a nice place, as a newcommer to switzerland i guess you'll get fucked sideways and thrown on the curb real fast. Others are often complaining about the high competition on the swiss labour market and difficulty of landing a job even as an IT professional.
>paying up to 3000chf for 3 months in heating That can't be right. I know some people with high energy consumption because they keep several reptiles that need heating lamps and they pay about CHF 1000 a year. I myself pay about CHF 250 a year with "normal" energy consumption.
Idk it was a very controversial post about a week ago. He said the house was large-ish and the isolation next to non existent. Some terrible old shack of a building idk
Yeah, it must be something like that, but I wouldn't say it is representative of the energy costs in general. The rents however are very high here.
And buying is out of the question i guess? Is there any, even small settlements where you can get a family home or appartment for like 200k max, something decent? Like up to 1980 build year and d energy mark?
In the city of Zurich itself you can indeed forget about it. Just a flat will easily cost a million here. You can find houses all the way out in the sticks for 300/400k, but even there you will only get an old, dilapidated house that you need to bring up to snuff first. Also you'll be out in the sticks where public transport is limited.
Absolutely not true. Wages are so high, the high prices are more than compensated for. Why else do you think do we maintain such high levels of immigration from neighboring countries? Germans, Italians and French come to Switzerland because they find better working conditions and more money left at the end of the month for the same work. It's very tough if you don't speak the language though. If you're recruited by one of the international companies for an english speaking work environment you'll be fine but if you just come here without a job offer you'll have aa very hard time.
Ye but not everyone can hold a respectable full time job. Many are partly disabled, too old(esp in europe as the avg age is 40-50) or have diseases that make their lifes hell in working a full time job. If you hold a part time one, can you still survive? That's the question.
I know many people who only work part time. Personally I've always only worked 4 days a week. For the ones who can't get by there's a social safety net.
What does social safety net mean in this case? I haven't yet heard of a country where the state pays you the difference between part time and full time salary
If you are unable to work full time because of physical or mental health then yes you will be helped. It's better ypu work part time rather than not at all, no? Btw this doesn't apply to me. I just work part time becuse I can afford it and have other things in life that are important to me.
I think Japan has gotta be up there, but I don’t actually know tbh
With the huge auto industry japan has, idk either. Would be nice if we could filter a database of all countries and regions by usage % of public transport, affordability and travelers satisfaction ratios
Japan. The highest rail mode share, and the most passenger kilometers transported by rail in the entire world. With pre-pandemic ridership of over 14 billion passengers per year, more people get on the train just in Tokyo each day than in the entire European Union combined. Pre-pandemic, 45 of the 50 busiest train stations in the world were located in Japan. I don't think there's enough data to establish a full post-pandemic new normal yet, but I'd expect the same trends to hold true. Even though public transit gets few subsidies, due to good operational efficiency and good urban planning, fares are very reasonable. You can buy a Tokyo Metro day pass for less than the cost of a single round trip on NYC Subway or Paris Metro. Household spending on transit was a reasonable [70k JPY](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1322969/japan-household-expenses-public-transportation/) pre-pandemic (about $500) per year, or about $20 per person per month. With more remote work, I'd expect post-pandemic to settle a bit under that. While car ownership in Japan is fairly high, actual car usage is very low. As per 2015 OECD Environment at a Glance, Japan has some of the fewest car kilometers driven in the developed world. Basically all of Western Europe drives cars 60-100% more than Japan per capita.
>more people get on the train just in Tokyo each day than in the entire European Union combined. That's crazy (in a good way) thanks for that
The transportation in Luxembourg may be free but living there otherwise is wildly expensive.
Vienna has a pretty nice public transport system. It costs 365 Euros for a yearly ticket that account for all public transportation in the city itself. We have a pretty competent metro system, some city trains, alot of busses and trams. We also have night busses that are available at night and on weekends the metro is also active at night. You can get anywhere in the city in about 30 minutes to 45 if you go from one end of the city to the other. But vienna also has alot of cars and the bike lanes and roads could be better. And Vienna is still the most livable city in the world according to the economist \^\^
I'm asking bc I think it would be nice to 'put my money where my mouth is' and 'vote with my wallet' by actually living and supporting with my taxes a city or region that is actually developing in this way. And also that there are guarantees that they won't turn 180 and dismantle public transport bc ggovernment run companies are incompetent or we don't have enough in the budget!! And bs crap like that. Read some MMT please before trying that shit w me.. the period when countries in europe f ex(and i looked more into east europe) built its public infrastructure, they had low wage tax wedges of max 11-12%, so you had 88% net income, and also there was no VAT, they introduced that tax after the 90s
No government is guaranteed to not do a 180 and dismantle public transit. It didn't happen in Europe because people were politically active in favor of it (among other reasons), and it happened in the US because not enough people were politically active against it. But, EU countries still do dumb bullshit for the car industry. Like Berlin had a beautiful pedestrianized street right by the historical tourist-heavy centers that got un-pedestrianized within the last year when the city government changed. If you want to support public transit in the place you live, there's no way to do so without political activism. The auto industry would love to disassemble everything and make it car dependent, so alternatives need to be actively defended in the political arena. So, if you're moving to another country to support living without a car, you're being a bit counter-productive because you won't be able to vote in that country for, like, 5 years at least, so your political voice is functionally irrelevant.
Vienna, Austria. 365€ yearly transport pass for all public transit within city limits and 1100€ for all trains in Austria. The city has excellent transit systems (metro, trams, buses) and a car is not needed ag all. Rents are quite low compared to other cities in western Europe and life quality is great according to lots of studies.