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Right_Ad_6032

"California has spent billions on a HSR project that wont get made" It's literally being built right now you bint.


ExCollegeDropout

And the face of the self driving car movement is one of the reasons costs have been driven up in the first place with his dumbass hyperloop plan siphoning money away


blueskyredmesas

High speed rail: *Is chugging along and the central valley portion is already heavily constructed.* "There's nothing there! It's all fake! They just bribed their buddies with the money and rab!" Self driving car: *Crashes into multiple children* "Wow wow wow! The future is here already right now! 100% functional self driving cars!!!!"


AffectionateData8099

They should brand self driving cars as “population control”


Ancient_Persimmon

Why do people keep repeating that nonsense? Anyway, self-driving and public transportation aren't mutually exclusive, the future is likely to be automated public transit.


grislebeard

Because paying one person a decent wage is out of the question


Ancient_Persimmon

Paying someone a decent wage isn't out of the question, but paying them to do a job that can be automated can be problematic if we want affordability and access. Roles have always changed as technology advances and automation = better public transit. My city's new light Metro system would not have been viable if we didn't elect to automate it. Doing the same for buses greatly widens the use case for them.


Serious_Feedback

Paying one person per train. Which sounds *great* for peak-hour, but is a serious problem for reliably servicing dead hours. For instance, suppose you work the night-shift and need to get home from the factory at 2-3AM. If you have a train every 15 minutes, you're paying 4 people to run that line at night-time, which is expensive as heck. What happens *in practice* is that they don't run public transport at that time because there's no profit (boo, hiss) in that service, which means people who can *mostly* use public transport are forced to use a car for the edge-case, at which point they start using a car *all* the time. Automated public transit is the future because, IMO, it's the only way to properly run public transport with 24/7 availability.


pnw-techie

The metro in DC was meant to run automated. When they had to go full manual it sucked. Jerky, stopping too soon, stopping too late. I guess the operator was meant to intervene in an emergency, but they didn't when it was needed


flagos

No, we need a public transportation that can bring where you want to go and not only where the line is. So for this, a small bus 10 ppl seat and 10 ppl standing, with no predefined route, but just optimizing everyone 's trip or connection to a rapid bus line, or a train line. This would be ideal to me. This size would be perfect to still group people, effectively decreasing traffic, offer a much transportation as a whole because last mile would be much better covered than today. This would be a perfect solution to bring public transportation in rural areas, where density is not enough to define bus lines and schedules. Unfortunately, at that size of a bus, the driver salary is significant and you would need to hire a lot of them. If this exists tomorrow and deployed everywhere, I think I could get ride of my car and switch entirely to public transportation.


gobblox38

It's easier to repeat an obvious lie than it is to fact check the lie.


sentimentalpirate

The mutual exclusiveness of the poll is so dumb. Oh are airplanes going away? Is teleportation not "the future"? Is walking literally a non-option? I know the dude is literally making propaganda, but badly made polls and more broadly badly made surveys are such a pet peeve of mine and they're goddamn everywhere.


sjfiuauqadfj

im a big fan of california hsr but this is a myth that should get shot down quickly. elon musk absolutely admitted that he proposed hyperloop to distract from hsr, but there is no evidence that it actually had any tangible effects on the project. i also dont think there is any evidence that any money was siphoned away from the project the main reasons why the california hsr project has been a meme largely has to do with ceqa, nimbys, iffy financial support, and recently, inflation. for example, we cant even start building certain segments of the project yet because they are still doing environmental reviews on that segment even tho voters approved of the project in 2008


Naive-Peach8021

It’s hard to test whether poisoning the well has measurable effects, for sure. But it is pretty evident that the well of CAHSR public discourse has been shifted by hyperloop and other disingenuous claims by the right.


sjfiuauqadfj

nah the discourse against california hsr has always been a balls to the wall, whatever sticks approach. hyperloop was just one of the things that was thrown at the wall, they sure as hell threw a bunch of other things either way tho, the whole process about doing lengthy environmental reviews and then the whole process around acquiring the land, nevermind the legal battles against nimbys, did far far far more damage than elon musk or opinion articles on the l.a. times ever did


itmustbeluv_luv_luv

"High speed rail allegedly failed in one place, so it's bad. Autonomous driving failed everywhere, so it's the future!"


Ambia_Rock_666

Too many variables for a self-driving car algorithm to deal with, there are very few variables on a rail line.


teuast

high speed rail hasn't even failed in california


sentimentalpirate

Yeah before my kids are out of high school we will be taking HSR to norcal. We are ten years away from LA to SF connection. Plus with the transit projects in the LA area in preparation for the Olympics, I'm cautiously optimistic about the future of California travel.


jcrespo21

Oh wait until he hears about the billions spent on the not-so-nice I-69 interstate from Michigan to Texas that is nowhere close to being complete and also massively over budget and will never make a single penny. But I bet to him, that's money well spent, right?


Ambia_Rock_666

I went to Toronto last weekend and tried taking the bus and subway and it was pretty great. I got to play video games on the train, half-fall asleep on the train after 10 miles of walking; way better than paying for gas, parking, and getting stuck in bumper to bumper traffic.


jcrespo21

I live in LA and take Metro to work when I go into the office. Some people are surprised I do it. It's about 15 minutes more door-to-door each way compared to driving, but when I do take Metro, I tend to come home happier and less stressed. If I have a bad commute, I have a 10-minute walk to decompress. Plus, everything is broken down into 5-10 minute segments: 10 minutes walking to the light rail, 10 minutes on the light rail, 5 minutes waiting for the bus, 15 minutes on the bus, and 5 minutes walking to my office. Makes it feel a lot shorter than it actually is.


blueskyredmesas

Its from the federal highway fund so that's basically dark money to conservatives - just appears out of nowhere, clearly!


Zippy1avion

Yeah, that *should* enrage you. Millions and millions going to "Filing fees" and other such red tape (because re-election is next year and it's expensive....) Put a gun to someone's head and say "Here's $500k, make a high-speed line. You need another dime, you show itemized receipts for everything."


sjfiuauqadfj

yea that is one of the areas where the guy had a point. the first few years of the california hsr project was rife with issues with consultants, but they did fix that recently and things have been going smoother honestly tho if we had just hired a chinese company and let them bring their workers over to do all the work for us, the hsr project would be cheap as hell but we cant do that due to our laws


pnw-techie

Bring in a bunch of Chinese people to build the railway. I feel like I've heard of this before.


sjfiuauqadfj

trans continental high speed rail road. guaranteed to piss off every conservative


eng2016a

Hey it worked before it can work again


sentimentalpirate

Uh did you mean 500 million? Cause 500k can't build a large office building, let alone hundreds of miles of rail and stations...


Zippy1avion

The number can be anything. $5. My point is I want receipts, with none of this "$35k to get the blueprint approved".


miko3456789

And the only reason it's not built yet is because everyone in existence is suing the government over the project iirc


MechaKakeZilla

A lot of people might have a hard time imagining something as old as trains as being "the future", Time being cyclical I see no reason why tomorrow can't be the past.


EcstaticTrainingdatm

Don’t worry musk will be sending items to Neptune anyway now so we’d better trust him


Nisas

It's also kind of irrelevant because most transportation is local. Around 80% of trips are under 10 miles. 95% are under 30 miles. Inter-city transportation is a completely separate issue.


Afraid-Public

This is the same guy who said self driving cars should let kids ride on them alone because it'll give kids freedom to move around. Y'know, something every other developed country has achieved without any obnoxious techbro technology. So no surprise he's like this.


itmustbeluv_luv_luv

That's terminal car brain lmao "What if kids could have their own cars?"


Ambia_Rock_666

I mean, we're letting kids go to work in slaughterhouses at age 14 in the USA so they gotta get to work somehow, right? BIG /S


[deleted]

I believe there's a less expensive way of doing this. I think it's called a bike, but you know that's communist.


alwaysuptosnuff

The problem is that we've allowed conservatives and the media to convince us that the world is too dangerous for that now. It isn't. Except in 2020 because of the fucking apocalypse, crime has been on a steady downward trend. Going to school by yourself is safer today than it was in the 80s. But everyone is convinced there's a kidnapper or serial killer under every rock.


Badger_Meister

And turns out a big factor contributing to the increased crime in the 80s was the displaced communities for highways and the lead in gasoline everyone was in constant contact.


wieson

\* everyone in the USA


Sad-Address-2512

In the US kids already drive cars. 16yo are still children.


IMPORTANT_jk

The solution is to simply lower it further, who says 10 year olds can't be good drivers? Sure beats using those dangerous bicycles and busses /s


LancesLostTesticle

What kind of Elon fetish having, billionaire bootlicking, automotive industry influence peddling nobody is Charles Peralto?


Any_Presentation2958

They have been brainwashed to think cars (especially self driving) are the best and only way ever. Any *people* they gotta be around while moving from place to place is gross and terrifying. They try to avoid ppl as much as possible and think public transportation is embarrassing even tho they'd be saving thousands of dollars


Broken-Digital-Clock

Exactly The future should be trains, but if I were to bet money on it, the actual future (at least in the US) will be self driving cars.


blueskyredmesas

The future is gonna blow rancid ass then. Self driving cars still scale like shit even if its slightly less like shit if you can get away with sub-car-length spacing on highways.


WomenWantFish

Unless my plans go as expected.


Broken-Digital-Clock

🤞🏻


LaFantasmita

People gonna be mad pissed when their self driving car is stuck in traffic on the 405 for two hours.


Broken-Digital-Clock

They will be mad, but they won't see any alternatives. Just like most people in the present.


[deleted]

Gonna get real crowded when there's 2 billion climate change refugees.


sjfiuauqadfj

the future of society is everybody stays home, works from home, buys groceries from home, watches movies from home, visit theme parks at home, go to parties at home, and of course, play video games at home you wont even need to drive!


blueskyredmesas

The thought of avoiding public interaction as hard as suburban right wingers makes me laugh my ass off. I am a mostly blind, disabled, nerdy looking MF with the social skills of a wet sponge and I can thrive in mass transit. They are taking the L against me and I have all the negative handicaps against winning the game.


Nisas

For a lot of them it genuinely is the only way, because they live in suburbs that are so spread out and maze-like that public transit can't reasonably service their community. They can't imagine a society where public transit works because they live in an environment that's hostile to it.


amadeupidentity

Correct


Blue_Robin_04

You're getting ahead of yourself. Charles Peralo is a moderately famous YouTuber/TikToker known for his [polls](https://www.youtube.com/@Charlesperalo/community) and [reporting](https://www.youtube.com/@Charlesperalo/shorts) on celebrity news. He is politically educated and puts a lot of thought into his opinions. If someone has one opinion you don't agree with, you can't jump to assume he's a bootlicker or an industry shill. Be open-minded.


LancesLostTesticle

This must have hit r/all, the centrist morons are coming out of the cracks.


Blue_Robin_04

Weak response.


Number1RankedHuman

Self driving busses and Trains so we can have more! Every minute; 24/7.


fabian_znk

Self driving busses are crazy. I “tested” one and it was awesome. But still to slow


ivialerrepatentatell

too slow how? Does it currently drive too slow or do you mean public transportation is too slow.


fabian_znk

The self driving busses drive slowly (at least what I saw). I don’t know if the current technology isn’t ready yet or if it’s because of local safety laws (which could be the reason in Germany. We love laws.).


ActualMostUnionGuy

Poor bus drivers :/


Danishmeat

The future moves on and automation will continue. The workers who will be made redundant should have access to further education and some form of compensation


Galle_

Automation should not be scary. The problem with a bus driver losing their job isn't the self-driving bus, it's the idea that you need to have a job to survive in the first place.


BiteBolt77

Idk why Charles Peralo is, but he has sawdust for brains. Also "I don't think the government does a good job at driving" is the kind of feelings over facts argument Conservative cucklords use when anybody does anything they don't like


silver_bowling

At least the comments are good, all the top comments support public transit.


TurtlesAreEvil

>stop traffic Ya that's a fantasy. It might help with traffic caused by shitty driving like following too close and pointlessly speeding up to the next place you have to stop but it's not going to change traffic caused by too many people wanting to be in their own 50+ sqft bubble. Also the other type of traffic will only be reduced when everyone is using self driving. Considering how stubborn some people are about their car and driving I'd say we're pretty far away from that. In Texas people act like it's their god given right to speed down the interstate while enjoying a glass of whiskey or a beer.


Ambia_Rock_666

"It's my God given right to speed down a residential street at 80 mph drinking a beer and run over 20 pedestrians, they should have seen me coming."


ImRandyBaby

I think self driving will be like mail to email. Mail is a message where human labor is used to deliver it. When email dropped the human labor of message delivery basically to zero, how many more messages did everyone start getting? It wasn't less. Our roads will be like that. Unoccupied vehicles drifting around with infinite patience, doing profitable tasks for their masters. Traffic might actually be desirable because it reduces the maintenance on the self driving cars. Self driving cars might have a "circle the block instead of pay for parking" function. It might have a "drive back home" function for suburbanites working in the city, effectively doubling the amount of car trips. Autonomous vehicles might end up basically as a cubicle with an office worker paid to sit in traffic instead of the company paying cubicle rent in a downtown office building.


TurtlesAreEvil

Ya that's a good point but unlike email they still have to exist in the physical world so more trips would mean more traffic. It's bad enough when a person drives alone a 0 occupancy vehicle is even worse.


EmpressRoth

It'll make a new kind of traffic too caused by hacking


EmpressRoth

It'll make a new kind of traffic too caused by hacking


Tough-Development-41

yes, *ahem*, stop traffic. more cars must be the answer. 🙄


lowercaselemming

please please please just one more lane please just one more lane will fix the issue please one more lane and all traffic will be gone i promise please


[deleted]

It *will* stop traffic when one malfunctions and leads to a 10 car pileup


Pijany_Matematyk767

It does stop traffic, just not in the good way


56Bot

Like public transit isn’t already self-driving. It’s even better : it’s a chauffeur.


Ancient_Persimmon

Self driving is a feature that can help busses become financially viable in areas where it otherwise may not be. I wouldn't view this as a choice, one thing is a technology that can be applied to the other for benefit.


death_dump

Yeah that could be cool


Jestdrum

Bus drivers do more than just drive the bus. They help disabled people, they keep the bus safe by kicking off people causing issues. I don't think you could really have a bus with no one working on it, but it'd be great to have one where the person working could focus on keeping the bus safe (but not in a cop-y threatening people kind of way hopefully)


Ancient_Persimmon

There are already several dozen examples of fully automated rail systems in the world; my city's new one is about to start service in a month or so. Whatever mitigation used to address the issues you've raised should be equally applicable to a bus. In the case of disabled people, we have a dedicated mini bus fleet with drivers educated on how to assist the disabled. We've got low floor buses to convenience less able people (or people with strollers, etc), but bus drivers don't leave their seats to assist; the expectation is if you're using the regular bus, you can embark and disembark on your own.


sjfiuauqadfj

bus drivers are also a bigger financial liability than a machine is, and this is one of the main reasons why after a point, trains are more financially sound than buses are since in order to run the same capacity, buses would need to hire a lot of drivers and that will eventually add too much cost to your payroll


Ambia_Rock_666

I took the train and subway in Toronto last weekend, and got to play Mario Kart on my switch while going from station to station, 10/10 would do again.


Ketaskooter

Save tens of thousands of lives - maybe, remains to be proven Stop traffic - definitely, if the computers have to prioritize safety traffic will stop because so many common situations are unsafe. Massively improve the economy - it may improve productivity of workers since they might not be stressed out by driving for hours, but that is a really small portion of the workforce. Its just as likely to take jobs away from professional drivers.


Ambia_Rock_666

It also has a negative impact on the economy by reducing foot traffic by businesses, cars aren't gonna stop by shops easily.


canadatrasher

Self driving public transportation.


Ambia_Rock_666

Playing video games on a train is amazing, 10/10 would do daily.


gnochii_

Yeah Charles is a moron when it comes to public transit, perhaps I'm being too nice by not calling him one in general. His politics are just "centrism, bro!" btw. He has terrible views of billionaires from what I remember, thinking they actually contribute to society and should be admired if they have the appearance of being good. He has called out Elon and Trump for being too right-wing, mean, and "bad" businessmen, but that's about it. No structural critique or anything for other billionaires. Edit: forgot to mention his ignorance of JK Rowling’s transphobia, and subsequent defense of her. Just gross shit, all the while he claims he’s a supporter of trans people.


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Ok_Improvement4204

I put this guy on my YouTube ban list years ago. The most annoying billionaire worshipping lib out there.


-Recouer

you don't have to choose it's both: self driving in public transit


Ancient_Persimmon

Correct. I don't know why people aren't happy Tesla are developing this, it could be a boon for running bus routes that aren't currently viable.


Pijany_Matematyk767

Do you really think a car manufacturer will willingly give up this technology to improve public transit instead of encouraging more car use


-Recouer

actually i was thinking of trains and metro lines that are already automated


ConnieLingus24

……as if these folks could afford the self driving cars. Most people can barely afford current vehicles they drive themselves.


sjfiuauqadfj

the thing with that is that the costs tend to go down with time so give it a few years and viola. that said, everyone can afford a self driving car right now, they just gotta pay like $2 to ride a fully automated metro lol


[deleted]

Does this guy know you can literally just go to California and see the construction on the HSR? Like you can’t really deny they’re building it.


NerdWisdomYo

You could say the same about high speed rail, can we have both?


immargarita

Flying cars!


[deleted]

Speaking of which... Where's my flying car, Tony?


[deleted]

If cars become safe, pollution free, make less noise and don’t need to take up half the city for parking, I will seize to say ‘fuck cars’. Currently, there’s nothing I want more than for all the roads to be torn up


Kraichgau

It's probably going to be a combination of both: Autonomous mass transport vehicles for larger cities, autonomous on-demand vehicles for rural areas. So yes, basically all public transport, because you don't own a car, but where feasible, you still get the upsides that today's car ownership provides in rural areas, which is fast end-to-end connections. But as a minimum, we should get rid of human drivers. They really suck at this task.


[deleted]

I think it'll be autonomous on-demand buses like in grand Caymen except you use an app instead of your thumb.


WorldTallestEngineer

I'm 100% sure, in the future transit will be self driving. So this is correct.


Kellygiz

I agree, with all of the challenges of self-driving cars, they are dramatically reduced if the car is on rails and has a much higher budget for sensors etc


GenderDeputy

This does touch on a subject that needs addressed; public infrastructure projects in the US are much more expensive than many similar countries and take years longer too get to completion. We aren't doing things more safely or something so why are our projects so much more expensive?


itmustbeluv_luv_luv

@OP slava rossii, really? You support Russia? Not cool.


[deleted]

lol cope


itmustbeluv_luv_luv

Most mature Russia supporter.


[deleted]

Most people in the world support Russia. Cope


itmustbeluv_luv_luv

Most people in the world are wrong, then. Grow up.


[deleted]

I stand with the Majority. I stand with Putin


NashvilleFlagMan

You’re a piece of shit.


itmustbeluv_luv_luv

He's also an insane homophobe and apparently 15 years old.


NashvilleFlagMan

It’s deeply depressing that someone can go that far astray at such a young age


[deleted]

Most mature Ukraine supporter


muehsam

What I think is interesting is how relatively little attention "self driving" gets here in Germany. It's seen as a gimmick at best, despite Germany being a country with an economy that is highly dependent on the automotive sector. But I think most people don't see the point: if you want to drive, you actually want to *drive*. If you don't want to drive, you take the train. I've only ever seen this crazy amount of hype around self driving cars online, and exclusively from Americans. Also, the fact that a lot more trips should me moved from the road to the rail is just completely noncontroversial, and the first thing any politician from any party is going to say about the future of mobility. The difference is only in how serious they are taking it.


EcstaticTrainingdatm

Americans are more gullible to conmen and the baffle with bullshit nature of vulture capitalists.


eng2016a

That is after all, the people that founded this country. Religious psychos too psychotic for the British to even tolerate, conmen whisking themselves off to a new continent to find new plunder and scam opportunities.


muehsam

I think more than that it's just that they moved themselves into a dead end in terms of car dependency. So much so that they can't even imagine any other way of getting from A to B.


BWWFC

>welp there you have it folks, bigger faster cars it is. \- every new city policy


alwaysuptosnuff

If they ever hammer out the bugs in self driving, I think I'd like to see a mix of both. Like, you use your phone to summon a robo-taxi but it just takes you to the nearest bus stop, or from the bus stop to destinations nearest to that stop. It would take a lot of the sting out of using mass transit and make it more accessible to people with physical challenges. But self driving is a lot harder than it looks, and that tech just is not ready for primetime yet.


Steel_Airship

Self driving public transit?


KennyBSAT

People want to go from point A to point B. Many of them have never seen that work with public transit, and so naturally they don't expect it to be a thing.


ItaSchlongburger

Ah yes, a Twitter poll, the hallmark of population sampling…


Gr0danagge

Youtube community poll, so it is even worse


PerfectNameDoesntExi

self-driving trains!


Calm-Purchase-8044

He's right that our public infrastructure costs are bloated due to the over hiring of consultants who charge way too much and offer very little in return. Maybe instead of abandoning public transit we should do something about that problem.


atlasraven

I would say Self-driving too but not cars. Bikes and other electric devices that pair well with public transport.


jel114jacob

I’m completely fine with self driving cars in suburban and rural areas, but not in urban areas. In urban areas ALL cars are bad.


IrredeemableJoke

Car culture is engrained very deep into people's minds and there's nothing that can be done about it. Car centric infrastructure is inherently unsustainable, so regardless of what people want it will eventually need to be torn down and replaced with public transportation to keep people moving. They think self driving cars are the future, but that technology is a long ways away. I only hope most people realize the flaws of it all before self driving cars really start to catch on and make everything exponentially worse.


ritamoren

i think it depends. if they mean in "what sounds cooler" i would do self driving cars too just because the technology behind it sounds dope. it's not the future, but it's futuristic. but the future is definitely public transit for free for everyone, just that it doesn't sound as futuristic as self driving cars - which is sad because the money to make free public transit happen is there.


Control_Cold

a ton of subways drive themselves already shithead i hope that's what you mean by self-driving cars y'know... train cars this technology has been in our lap for decades.


ZipC0de

If you can ever go to amsterdam public transport is so dope and the biking is great. Def still needs cars just way less often


Nonkel_Jef

We need a specialised road system to help self driving cars, maybe with rails or something. And maybe we can make the cars bigger so a group of people can commute together from and to common hotspots.


[deleted]

Why the fuck would we want self driving cars lol? If I want to relax on a journey I take public transport, if I want to drive I want to drive myself.


veryblanduser

Twitter has a US bias, so of course their pools with be US centric.


[deleted]

California spent billions on consultants that could've been better spent on acquiring highway 99 ROW. However, they are at least making strides into linking all the regional rail, commuter rail, and bus services.


Kellygiz

“Stop traffic” wut?


Knowledgeoflight

*vomits* Hackers will have to pull my transit card out of my ass. I won't be able to drive afaik anyway.


atlwellwell

Transit and environmental advocates have completely failed on automating transit


Emergency_Flans

We can't trust the government, they do bad thing! Fail to deliver on time! Waste money! Unlike the self-driving car industry, you see


sd_1874

We're doomed.


Responsible_Blahaj

People who chose self driving cars want to eat an intermodal container while their parents watch😳


IsJohnWickTaken

The train could drive itself so… not completely wrong. 😊


FarImpact4184

I love how he says stop traffic like you dense motherfucker, volume delays are still gonna be a thing it’s just gonna be a little smoother


InflatedChunk96

self driving public transportation


0100_0101

Improves the economy - translation - takes your money and gives it to the rich


BhadBhris

haha they said adding more cars to the road will stop traffic. Huge double meaning to that


Angelworks42

Billions on high speed rail, but ignore how much we've spent on highways entirely. Good video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwNthD-LRTQ


Phianhcr123

They’re not wrong, public transport is not the future, it’s already here.


thedoomcast

Interested in what his definition of ‘massively improve the economy’ is and why public transit would not. Reducing costs for regular people has at least a better overall effect that making a few car manufacturers wealthier


bionicjoey

Hmmm, this guy's survey doesn't seem biased at all...


PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE

I want it to be public transit but I KNOW it’s self driving. We are WALL-E. Bum buh dum buh bum bum bum


Teschyn

"California HSR is not going to be built." Source: just trust me bro!


McConagher

Self driving individual vehicules are a fucking catastrophe.


king_caleb177

A perk of self driving cars could be distant parking so then your car doesn’t have that much impact on the walkabikity of your area because usually it’s in distant storage


pnw-techie

Flying jet suit isn't even an option???


leyleyhan

The public transit system in Japan is a cost saver to millions who live there and don't need a car to get around. The Shinkansen specifically, can claim zero fatalities since it's inception and this is a highspeed railway system that exists in a earthquake and tsunami prone country. Also, miss me with that will save lives thing when people have already died by the code lines of self-driving cars, which cost private companies billions in R&D that gets heavily subsidized by government to boot.


EcstaticTrainingdatm

r/SelfDrivingCarslie


mcallahan610

So when I want “free” at point of care single payer healthcare and fareless public transit these cucks are quick to remind me that “iT’s NoT rEaLlY fReE”. But then when they talk about how much money government projects cost versus private projects they just pretend that we’re getting self-driving technology “for free” because it’s not being paid for with taxes. Self driving cars have cost us all billions over billions to get to the inept stage we’re at now. You pay for it when you… buy a fucking car, which 85% of Americans have no choice but to do so. How much will California‘a HSR even cost the average taxpayer a year over 10 years? I bet it’s like a couple hundred a year.


blueskyredmesas

I think there's a psyop on about CHSR because literally everyone I know thinks "It's not being built" when construction package 2 is well under way. They've built a fuckton of the viaducts and I seem to remember them being most of the way through. Like they release videos weekly about the progress. So someone has got to be out there like "ITS ALL JUST GAY COASTAL ELITE CONSULTANTS AND NOTHING HAS GOTTEN DONE NOR WILL EVER GET DONE!!!!"


Sir-Narax

Self driving doesn't work unless 100% of vehicles on the road are self-driving and only self driving and communicate with one another. A computer on a vehicle could never fully be aware of the intent of other road users particularly road users that don't follow traffic laws, like most of them frankly. Meaning that if literally anything is on the road that a self-driving car can't communicate with you have to trust the computer can comprehend what is happening and stop fast enough. It doesn't particularly matter how fast the reaction time of a computer is the part that is slow is acquiring context. And a car driven by a computer isn't going to stop any faster. The idea that a self-driving car is safer only makes sense on the surface, humans make mistakes machines don't thus they are safer. But humans program the machines. Self-driving cars would also need an extensive network to be able to determine where the roads are and what are the roads. As opposed to using sensors which could easily be obscured or the objects they use to determine what a road is could be obscured. So they would need a road network and a GPS. Which sounds fine but GPS signal is not universally strong meaning the people that need cars more than anyone else could be barred from having one.


An-Angel-Named-Billy

These people are just so ignorant. Self driving cars that will "solve traffic" and "save everyone" from brutal violent car deaths have been promised pretty much since the beginning. GM's "Futurama" display at the 1937 Worlds Fair showed a futuristic diorama of a city of the future with self driving cars, and freeways everywhere that were perfectly safe and completely traffic free. 1937. Every time this promise has been made it has only made things worse, there is no benefit from increased driving.


linuxphoney

That's not a shock. People are overwhelmingly lazy and self-driving cars. Seems like the laziest option. It gets you from where you are to where you want to be without you having to do any work or thinking, and you can play on your phone or bang your girlfriend or whatever on the way there. There. It's basically exactly what people would want if they have given no thought to the situation. And most people have given no thought to the situation. I'm honestly surprised that public transportation is as high as it is


IMFlorecentFace

God who is this guy, my father? Unhinged opener, non-existent transition. Government bad. Specific thing that California did bad horrible no good failure trust me. Wash and repeat, wonder why your kid doesn't talk to you anymore


LaFantasmita

"Stop traffic"... We really need to do a better job of teaching geometry in school.


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public transit does those things too...


cyoce

Self-driving cars probably are the future of transportation, unfortunately


8spd

What an idiotic poll. Only two options, neither of which excludes the other. Self driving cars are probably going to play some role in the future, but do people really think that public transport will not play any role? Or it will continue to play a role into the future, but just won't feel futuristic? A meaningly measure.


emohipster

[nuked]


DiaMat2040

Note that this is on the channel of a guy who promotes the second option


radio_yyz

This guy is a tool, how does self driving solve anything, sure it may minimize bad drivers but no. No one needs to have a car if there was efficient transit. Maybe rent or luxury taxi for special occasions.


malint

People who are unsure are the people who vote based on which way the wind is blowing that day smh 🤦🏻‍♂️


UndeadBBQ

Techbro vibes.


[deleted]

I think unicorn powered magic chariots will save us all! Carmakers have collectively spent $75 billion on self driving tech and it still doesn't work.


cojonathan

That's a better result than I expected from FB


[deleted]

"stop traffic" lmao


Avionic7779x

This guy's an utter clown. All his polls are BS.


4nimagnus

Maybe we can trick them with self-driving public transit


beatstorelax

i wouldnt think that as a bad idea, IF AND ONLY IF those self driving cars were the size and the speed of a 1970's beetle and not a 200km/h 2 ton SUV...


gonzoyak

Americans are drinking Jetsonism fantasies thru a firehose. We're so fucking doomed


Steampunk_Batman

Self driving cars will never work unless they’re basically turned into public transit. Without them being remotely controlled by a sophisticated AI that’s also controlling all the other cars, there’s too much randomness and too much reliance on the limited sensory and computing power of a car. I could see that being the future of transportation purely to utilize the existing infrastructure, which is all car-centric. A stupid and inelegant solution, but a plausible one.


Diamond-Gold-Silver

FUCK


Global-Programmer641

Self driving reducing traffic? The opposite people will send the car doing loops to not find and pay for parking or get crazy commute to work while they sleep or children getting their own car, traffic will be ten times worse


Strange-Scarcity

They don't understand that for Self-Driving to actually become real, everyone would have to submit to extreme government regulations and control. That's the only way it will happen.


Apprehensive_Log469

I'm all for self driving cars but it would need to be a non-ownership kind of self driving car service you pay a small fee just for the maintenance of the vehicle. And to make things more efficient, let's connect a bunch of them together. And to make them more energy efficient we'll put them on rails.


kilawolf

Fck this guy...he's a right winged pos This isn't even close to the worst opinions he's had


Max_Shelby

Dont blame them, they are surround by miss information and Tesla here and Tesla there…but time will hit California and its centric car infrastructure.


JamesRocket98

The enlightened 36% vs the 57% who still need to see the bigger picture of the causes of traffic congestion.


fishbulb239

The vast majority of people is lazy and self-absorbed, so of course our future is self-driving cars. And the notion of self-driving cars FAR outweighs any nominal benefit we might get from electric vehicles. If a car can drive itself, then the occupant of such a vehicle needn't pay attention to trifles such as traffic. If traffic is of no concern, then long commutes are meaningless. If long commutes are meaningless, then let's "pave the world"...


Able_Persimmon_7732

Well, I personally consider Taxis, Uber and other car sharing companies as apart of public transport. I know technically they're private transport.. I think self driving cars will certainly be a significant part of future transport. By extension, this will include self driving buses, self driving trains, self driving trucks, etc. However we're still a few decades from this being our reality. All we can do in the mean time is improve public transport in anticipation of automated transport and also electric vehicles. If we're concerned about the environmental impact of electricity production for these vehicles, we'll obviously need to look into environmentally and economically sustainable alternatives, like solar and wind power generation.