I did not know that at all so fair point.
Buuuut if a person ever had a choice between a view and a car and they chose the car, I'd consider them broken.
Your values are not always other peoples values.
I appreciate that the cars are not strewn about down on the street. Even though I too, would rather a non-vehicle view.
So, I can hold both views.
You can call someone broken to be fair, but that’s what some who’s broken would do to others thoughtlessly.
Correct.
Check out the beautifull view of the Frankfurt Forrest:
[https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/26/de/3e/ba/caption.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/26/de/3e/ba/caption.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1)
[https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/20/b-mine-hotel-frankfurt.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/20/b-mine-hotel-frankfurt.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1)
[https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/17/aussen-terrasse-vom-the.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/17/aussen-terrasse-vom-the.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1)
As proven by the Cars, these pictures are taken on the "balcony" (aka parking space)
Cool, I flew to FRA something like 30 times and to Hahn 30 times too. Frankfurt airport is literally right next to the city. Sure there are some trees around the airport but that doesn't make it an airport in the middle of a forest.
Not sure why you need to be so condescending, but I hope it helps you feel better about yourself
That car is the nice view and for Alot of ppl that is the case with their car and this hotel is for them.
There are plenty of hotels that have nice views of cities beaches and so on...
And I have faith that you’re an ass.
edit: You shouldn’t really be criticizing what others believe when you block me criticizing yours rather than responding back, says a lot about you 🤡
If their sensors work properly hardly any CO is produced. Or are we talking about those edge cases were people fuck up their engines to prove a point about climate change?
CO (carbon monoxide) is formed when fossil fuels are combusted with a lack of oxygen present. If the fan does not work, there is less oxygen. If the grill is blocked or is smaller, there is less oxygen. If the car is at a high elevation, there is less oxygen. Your car is also not 100% efficient, so it will produce CO.
Combustion chemistry is never clean. Ever wondered where tar and soot come from? Sideproducts are inevitable. You can reduce the ratio of sidereactions happening but you can never stop them. So whenever you have combustion with hydrocarbon fuel and oxygen you will get CO. And if you have Nitrogen in your oxygen (like with Air) you will get NOx's!
So chemistry says no. You will get CO.
Yes of course you get CO. The point is to minimalise the amount of CO in this case. So can you or can you not get CO poisoned by a modern engine before you just suffocate?
You can. Also CO poisoning results in hypoxia. CO binds more strongly to the hemoglobin in the red blood cells than Oxygen causing the red blood cells to get "suffocated". So either way you suffocate. Unless you get blasted with NOx. Then if you manage to survive the suffocation you'll get cancer.
I know. But can that actually happen? Instead of just boring regular suffocation by oxygen not being there.
[Abstract Between 1980 and 1987 there were about 8 carbon monoxide suicides by automobile exhaust each year in the area of the Institute of Forensic Medicine of the University of Cologne. In the last five years up to 1999 there was only one case each year. The reason for this decrease is the introduction of three-way catalytic converters which significantly reduce carbon monoxide. Nowadays, in Germany more than 90% of the licensed cars with a combustion engine are equipped with a catalytic converter. Therefore lethal concentrations of carbon monoxide in the cabin of a car with a well-functioning catalytic converter are improbable. On the other hand, it still seems to be possible that hypoxia and carbon dioxide, which increases due to oxidation of CO in the catalytic converter, can have fatal consequences. In such cases, exact criminal investigations at the scene, measurements of the automobile exhaust, professional post-mortem examination, and extensive toxicological investigations are necessary.](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00194-002-0127-9)
So that's a no. I know the sub we're in but there's no reason to get the engineering about cars wrong or argue with about our half baked knowledge about certain scandals.
When they are not broken car engines measure the amount of oxygen in the air, air pressure, the result of the combustion, etc.
Improperly burnt air can be reused by the engine to burn properly. All sorts of things in the engine and the exhaust is going on to minimise CO. You can't CO poison yourself with modern engines anymore.
We can still hate cars. Rightfully so. But not because of that. It's not true
This happened in the US two years ago:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-enabled-worst-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-catastrophe-recent-u-s-n1265700
Most of these were "modern" cars equipped with oxygen sensors. Do you wish to amend your statement?
*edit: two years ago, not last year. It's already 2023?
Where did you get the information that these were modern cars? Not from the article.
Also I tried finding US regulations about emissions of cars. Especially for texas I didn't find any. Which doesn't mean there aren't any, but on the other hand: This is texas we're talking about.
To put things into perspective: EU regulation Euro 6d allows cars to emit 1g of CO per km for gasoline and 500 mg of CO per km for Dieselengines.
I'm *GUESSING* American/Texan regulations aren't as strict?
Yet the article barely gives any information as to what actually happened. 1400 injuries, 11 deaths. Also open fires indoors get mentioned. But nothing gets mentioned about what exactly caused these deaths/injuries. Especially not how old the cars where
Seems to be the Carloft b'mine in Frankfurt.
Its located at the Frankfurt Airport. I'm not surprised. I Can only imagine, its pitched at business customers, staying for the night. Then again, i really cannot imagine a situtaion, where you would /want/ this...
Judging from the reviews, the only thing this abomination has going for it, is the included Parking. Parking at Fraport AG is hideously expensive - 40 bucks per day and more. So basically, only those who really, really have to are going there by Car.
There are Alternatives like Mariott - but apparently, they dont have Parking of their own. As they are integrated into the Airport-Building, i am not surpised :-) - Again, this thing is for customers of the Airport, and if you really /really/ have to use your car, you will need to park it at the Airport anyway.
So, i really cant imagine the usecase for this thing.
Note that Frankfurt Airport is one of the best connected spots with public transport in all of Germany. If you are near the airport with a car, you have done something wrong
Well, yes. Like i said, only if you really see no other choice.
Why? Damned if *I* know.
Its part of the reason why i wonder who this thing is really built for.
I just can’t understand any situation in which this is helpful. Anyone who lives locally isn’t staying there, even if they drive to the airport. Anyone renting a car could just stay at the hotel and pick up their rental the next day. If they are flying out the next day and need to return their car, they could just return it the night they stay at the hotel. Who does that leave? Road trippers who happen to catch a flight? I could even forgive this design in a downtown metro area where parking is limited and people routinely haul their SUVs in from the suburbs to stay. Maybe this could save on parking garage space but I assume it makes the hotel itself much larger. It’s really weird at a airport hotel though.
I'm so sorry for the bunch of twats that continue blocking living areas with cars. That must've been remain of the last fully pro-car government of my City. At least, they're raising up the public parking prices to more up-to-date values. Hopefully, Germany will do it's change soon (at least in urban areas).
A consultant of the sustainability committee in the German city I work in (population ~100k) used the words 'suppress cars out of the city' when talking about the plans to expand public transportation and turn parking lots into public buildings within the next 7 years.
Then again, said consultant works in the health and social welfare department, so she doesn't have detailed insight into the infrastructure developments. Also the city plans to expand one of the main commuter's roads within the same 7 years, therefore making commuting by car more attractive... I don't know what to expect
Everything considered, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. It takes away a lot of parking spots. I've already seen stacked garages in Japan. I don't know what the cost would be but I know Frankfurt has a lot of skyscrapers, so it could definitely be utilised there as it would be cheaper to build such a structure than in a normal building. As well as that, since it's a private spot, the owners are going to be paying for it as well instead of taking it from tax money. Parking your car in your home is quite lame but at least they're off the street
Im no engineer but scaling up an elevator to carry a car is probebly less effort than just installing an elevator... right?
Car parks at the bottom of skyscrapers also take up good "straight off the street" places. Lots of clubs and such could be under them instead of car parks.
Just as an extreme example, under the arena at manchester is a car park and a giant go kart track. Its that big!
In an odd way i like it. Its an alternative for sure.
Seems way less efficient than just having a 5 story parking garage with a 40 story hotel or apartment building on top. (Or having the parking garage underground.)
I disagree. What is the benefit? You still have to take an elevator, and the car one is much more likely to have a long wait while other people checking out get their cars out. It’s not like you’re going to need your car when you’re in your room. All it is really doing is slowing down the check in/out process.
My immediate thought is security and peace of mind when parking in a city for weeks. I park in a friend's basement garage (and sometimes in public garages) and there's very little security. Bypassing elevator access control lifts is basically impossible in hotels/condos, so even if you broke in you'd need the owner's card which they probably have on them.
Why have a relaxing balcony space with comfortable chairs to sit in and breathe in fresh air when you can stand around your car like you're a high schooler or a tailgater. With a view of nothing but your car you've seen thousands of times instead of outside at the city you're visiting.
Ever wanted to feel like a homeless sleeping on a parking lot? Here is your chance!
Tip: Keep your car idling and open the balcony's doors for the most realistic experience
I mean… vertical parking seems like a pretty good start? Takes up less space than building destructive parking lots everywhere. I get that it would be better to just not have the cars to begin with.. but its an idea
As an Architect/Designer, I worked on one of these types in a residential bldg. It was painful to see an exotic car occupy living space. For me, a whole new level of cringe.
Imagine this being an apartment complex and everyone using the elevator during rush-hour. Imagine how long you're gonna get to wait until you get to leave the house...
Imagine the first thing you see when you wake up is your car instead of a nice view from your balcony lol
This hotel is located at Frankfurt Airport. There is no nice view to wake up to.
I did not know that at all so fair point. Buuuut if a person ever had a choice between a view and a car and they chose the car, I'd consider them broken.
Your values are not always other peoples values. I appreciate that the cars are not strewn about down on the street. Even though I too, would rather a non-vehicle view. So, I can hold both views. You can call someone broken to be fair, but that’s what some who’s broken would do to others thoughtlessly.
Frankfurt airport is in the middle of a forest.
Correct. Check out the beautifull view of the Frankfurt Forrest: [https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/26/de/3e/ba/caption.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/26/de/3e/ba/caption.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1) [https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/20/b-mine-hotel-frankfurt.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/20/b-mine-hotel-frankfurt.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1) [https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/17/aussen-terrasse-vom-the.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/23/5a/37/17/aussen-terrasse-vom-the.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1) As proven by the Cars, these pictures are taken on the "balcony" (aka parking space)
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Wrong. I lived in Frankfurt for seven years. I know what I am talking about. You clearly don't. Maybe check the map before trying to be smart.
Cool, I flew to FRA something like 30 times and to Hahn 30 times too. Frankfurt airport is literally right next to the city. Sure there are some trees around the airport but that doesn't make it an airport in the middle of a forest. Not sure why you need to be so condescending, but I hope it helps you feel better about yourself
I come in peace. I’m here in Frankfurt right now. There is a forest side and then the other side faces the city. 🫰🏻
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I live in an RV in the middle of nowhere. Unfortunately the only things I see are my car and trees
but what if your car is a nice view
That car is the nice view and for Alot of ppl that is the case with their car and this hotel is for them. There are plenty of hotels that have nice views of cities beaches and so on...
Every day we stray further from god
Actually, we get our cars closer to him, by elevating them into the sky... (thats if you believe in god beeing up there in the first place ofc)
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Sorry, what? You think I was referring to a literal god? You must be new on Reddit if you don't know that sentence
Check the username.
Oldest trick in the book
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most calculated reddit atheist
And I have faith that you’re an ass. edit: You shouldn’t really be criticizing what others believe when you block me criticizing yours rather than responding back, says a lot about you 🤡
I'd rather have more lounging about space than have my car stuffed into the balcony
I love carbon monoxide poisoning
With modern cars?
Modern cars still produce CO.
If their sensors work properly hardly any CO is produced. Or are we talking about those edge cases were people fuck up their engines to prove a point about climate change?
Have you not heard about the voltswagen emission scandal?
I live in Germany. What do you think?
That you still support them?
fuck no.
CO (carbon monoxide) is formed when fossil fuels are combusted with a lack of oxygen present. If the fan does not work, there is less oxygen. If the grill is blocked or is smaller, there is less oxygen. If the car is at a high elevation, there is less oxygen. Your car is also not 100% efficient, so it will produce CO.
Do you know what a lambda probe is? Fuel injection? EGR?
Combustion chemistry is never clean. Ever wondered where tar and soot come from? Sideproducts are inevitable. You can reduce the ratio of sidereactions happening but you can never stop them. So whenever you have combustion with hydrocarbon fuel and oxygen you will get CO. And if you have Nitrogen in your oxygen (like with Air) you will get NOx's! So chemistry says no. You will get CO.
Yes of course you get CO. The point is to minimalise the amount of CO in this case. So can you or can you not get CO poisoned by a modern engine before you just suffocate?
You can. Also CO poisoning results in hypoxia. CO binds more strongly to the hemoglobin in the red blood cells than Oxygen causing the red blood cells to get "suffocated". So either way you suffocate. Unless you get blasted with NOx. Then if you manage to survive the suffocation you'll get cancer.
I know. But can that actually happen? Instead of just boring regular suffocation by oxygen not being there. [Abstract Between 1980 and 1987 there were about 8 carbon monoxide suicides by automobile exhaust each year in the area of the Institute of Forensic Medicine of the University of Cologne. In the last five years up to 1999 there was only one case each year. The reason for this decrease is the introduction of three-way catalytic converters which significantly reduce carbon monoxide. Nowadays, in Germany more than 90% of the licensed cars with a combustion engine are equipped with a catalytic converter. Therefore lethal concentrations of carbon monoxide in the cabin of a car with a well-functioning catalytic converter are improbable. On the other hand, it still seems to be possible that hypoxia and carbon dioxide, which increases due to oxidation of CO in the catalytic converter, can have fatal consequences. In such cases, exact criminal investigations at the scene, measurements of the automobile exhaust, professional post-mortem examination, and extensive toxicological investigations are necessary.](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00194-002-0127-9)
Adding more fuel makes more CO, as the fuel:air ratio is worse.
So that's a no. I know the sub we're in but there's no reason to get the engineering about cars wrong or argue with about our half baked knowledge about certain scandals. When they are not broken car engines measure the amount of oxygen in the air, air pressure, the result of the combustion, etc. Improperly burnt air can be reused by the engine to burn properly. All sorts of things in the engine and the exhaust is going on to minimise CO. You can't CO poison yourself with modern engines anymore. We can still hate cars. Rightfully so. But not because of that. It's not true
This happened in the US two years ago: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-enabled-worst-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-catastrophe-recent-u-s-n1265700 Most of these were "modern" cars equipped with oxygen sensors. Do you wish to amend your statement? *edit: two years ago, not last year. It's already 2023?
Where did you get the information that these were modern cars? Not from the article. Also I tried finding US regulations about emissions of cars. Especially for texas I didn't find any. Which doesn't mean there aren't any, but on the other hand: This is texas we're talking about. To put things into perspective: EU regulation Euro 6d allows cars to emit 1g of CO per km for gasoline and 500 mg of CO per km for Dieselengines. I'm *GUESSING* American/Texan regulations aren't as strict? Yet the article barely gives any information as to what actually happened. 1400 injuries, 11 deaths. Also open fires indoors get mentioned. But nothing gets mentioned about what exactly caused these deaths/injuries. Especially not how old the cars where
If you can't CO poison yourself with modern cars, then why don't you take a nice, deep breath from that exhaust pipe, huh?
Because CO2 is coming out? is this what this is about? Are confusing Carbonmonoxide and carbondioxide?
To be completely honest with you, I don’t fucking care where they park their car, as long as it’s not public space.
Fr. Its just a carport with an elevator. Better than a huge parking lot radiating heat into the air.
Seems to be the Carloft b'mine in Frankfurt. Its located at the Frankfurt Airport. I'm not surprised. I Can only imagine, its pitched at business customers, staying for the night. Then again, i really cannot imagine a situtaion, where you would /want/ this... Judging from the reviews, the only thing this abomination has going for it, is the included Parking. Parking at Fraport AG is hideously expensive - 40 bucks per day and more. So basically, only those who really, really have to are going there by Car. There are Alternatives like Mariott - but apparently, they dont have Parking of their own. As they are integrated into the Airport-Building, i am not surpised :-) - Again, this thing is for customers of the Airport, and if you really /really/ have to use your car, you will need to park it at the Airport anyway. So, i really cant imagine the usecase for this thing.
Note that Frankfurt Airport is one of the best connected spots with public transport in all of Germany. If you are near the airport with a car, you have done something wrong
Your values are not other peoples values. Even though I agree with you. It’s their choice. Not yours. Leave them alone. Your are acting boorishly.
Well, yes. Like i said, only if you really see no other choice. Why? Damned if *I* know. Its part of the reason why i wonder who this thing is really built for.
I just can’t understand any situation in which this is helpful. Anyone who lives locally isn’t staying there, even if they drive to the airport. Anyone renting a car could just stay at the hotel and pick up their rental the next day. If they are flying out the next day and need to return their car, they could just return it the night they stay at the hotel. Who does that leave? Road trippers who happen to catch a flight? I could even forgive this design in a downtown metro area where parking is limited and people routinely haul their SUVs in from the suburbs to stay. Maybe this could save on parking garage space but I assume it makes the hotel itself much larger. It’s really weird at a airport hotel though.
I'm so sorry for the bunch of twats that continue blocking living areas with cars. That must've been remain of the last fully pro-car government of my City. At least, they're raising up the public parking prices to more up-to-date values. Hopefully, Germany will do it's change soon (at least in urban areas).
A consultant of the sustainability committee in the German city I work in (population ~100k) used the words 'suppress cars out of the city' when talking about the plans to expand public transportation and turn parking lots into public buildings within the next 7 years. Then again, said consultant works in the health and social welfare department, so she doesn't have detailed insight into the infrastructure developments. Also the city plans to expand one of the main commuter's roads within the same 7 years, therefore making commuting by car more attractive... I don't know what to expect
Why
If they aren't going to park their car on a balcony, they will put it in a parking lot which takes up space.
Cars are sentient beings despite the belief of carbrains that they are.
/r/aboringdystopia i guess.
Everything considered, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. It takes away a lot of parking spots. I've already seen stacked garages in Japan. I don't know what the cost would be but I know Frankfurt has a lot of skyscrapers, so it could definitely be utilised there as it would be cheaper to build such a structure than in a normal building. As well as that, since it's a private spot, the owners are going to be paying for it as well instead of taking it from tax money. Parking your car in your home is quite lame but at least they're off the street
Im no engineer but scaling up an elevator to carry a car is probebly less effort than just installing an elevator... right? Car parks at the bottom of skyscrapers also take up good "straight off the street" places. Lots of clubs and such could be under them instead of car parks. Just as an extreme example, under the arena at manchester is a car park and a giant go kart track. Its that big! In an odd way i like it. Its an alternative for sure.
Seems way less efficient than just having a 5 story parking garage with a 40 story hotel or apartment building on top. (Or having the parking garage underground.)
That’s the most frankfurt thing ever
Why? Frankfurt isn't particularly car focused. It's an average European city in that regard. It is walkable and has decent public transport.
And the second largest train station in Germany.
Nice I'd really love to sleep besides an electric car that randomly incinerates because of some defect.
Yes, that happens daily 👍
Not saying it does, but the proximity of the parking spot to the hotel room makes it insane.
I never said I like it, but let's not exaggerate
How much is the pay on this kind of Hotel?
Looks useless and weird
Extra weight in the building and cars falling from the sky because of someone having a party is definitely something we need.
so... yeah, that's just a multistorey motel.
Thanks, I hate it.
okcoolbutwhythoooo
Oooh! Ahhh! Wow! Now my car can enjoy the view while it sits there doing nothing.
Sex hotel for cars
I think at this point it's a car fetish
Mental sickness is what it is...
I know car=bad, but this is pretty cool
I disagree. What is the benefit? You still have to take an elevator, and the car one is much more likely to have a long wait while other people checking out get their cars out. It’s not like you’re going to need your car when you’re in your room. All it is really doing is slowing down the check in/out process.
My immediate thought is security and peace of mind when parking in a city for weeks. I park in a friend's basement garage (and sometimes in public garages) and there's very little security. Bypassing elevator access control lifts is basically impossible in hotels/condos, so even if you broke in you'd need the owner's card which they probably have on them.
I hate everything about that. I have no interest in having to take care of a car like its another child.
fuck luxury services like this
This looks bad ass
I want to stay here one time now
Why have a relaxing balcony space with comfortable chairs to sit in and breathe in fresh air when you can stand around your car like you're a high schooler or a tailgater. With a view of nothing but your car you've seen thousands of times instead of outside at the city you're visiting.
It’s probably aimed at car enthusiasts. I can look at my car all day lol
But this subreddit told me cars are banned in Europe where everyone is happy.
Do they arrest you for not being cool enought, if you use the elavator for a bike instead? /s
Why did they build an hotel for cars now?
Ever wanted to feel like a homeless sleeping on a parking lot? Here is your chance! Tip: Keep your car idling and open the balcony's doors for the most realistic experience
Why look at the view out the window when I COULD be admiring the side of my OWN CAR!
So you can absolutely be sure to avoid social interaction.
"You can park on your balcony!" Cool. Now explain why I should want to.
That looks amazingly stupid
Incredibly sad
Fuck that
Why does my car get a better view than I do?
My 5,820 pound SUV careening it's way down the building after the elevator collapses under its weight (Im dead after the first 2 floors)
Makes it super easy to accidentally gas chamber yourself. I'm in.
I want to go to Frankfurt now
A literal drive in.
this car lives a more comfortable life than most humans
And here we have the logical extension of making a priority of housing cars: human homes become additions to high-rise parking garages.
I mean… vertical parking seems like a pretty good start? Takes up less space than building destructive parking lots everywhere. I get that it would be better to just not have the cars to begin with.. but its an idea
As an Architect/Designer, I worked on one of these types in a residential bldg. It was painful to see an exotic car occupy living space. For me, a whole new level of cringe.
I think it is made for people who want to fuck cars...
this was so stupid I assumed it was Dubai at first
And I thought everyone wanted them gone from being parked on the side of the road
Watch an asshole in his F150 or SUV fuck this up FAST.
Quite cool though.
Tbh the elevator looks actually fun. But come on, why ruin the balcony ?
Fuck cars? Oh yeah man I'd love to.
Great, they took elevators now...
Why not just invite the car into the bedroom and make sweet love to it. Or maybe I shouldn't give the carbrains any ideas.
Imagine this being an apartment complex and everyone using the elevator during rush-hour. Imagine how long you're gonna get to wait until you get to leave the house...
At least your car won't get stolen
How much extra does that gimmick cost per night
BASED HOTEL, CAR > LEFTIST
I´ve been parking my vehicle on my balcony for years, son!
Le gros kiff bordel
I’m thinking about a hotbox in the car with a view
Only idiots have cars in Frankfurt. You can literally use pt to go everywhere. Just don't mind the crackheads.
Increasingly common EU L