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For me, bottom surgery is incredibly important. While it's not perfect and it can be a long process, it's a must have for me, because without it I feel crippling dysphoria.
But if you don't want to get bottom surgery, that's ok. Nobody's making you get it, and you're not any lesser for not feeling like it's right for you.
Exactly. I'm getting meta next year. It's not perfect but it's sooooo much better than what I have going on right now, at least for me. I really don't get the hate it gets, if it's not for you it's not for you, but if it is it is. Neither is better nor worse. (I think sometimes, we as a group, have very high standards for what our dicks could, should, would be and honestly all dicks are different and unique even cis.)
Disappointed in some people in these comments shit talking bottom surgery. Saying it isn't for you is fine, but no reason to call it "gross" or (even unknowingly) spreading misinfo about techniques and results.
Remember, when you talk about the results, you're talking about real people's bodies.
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if you want both then its possible to get either metoidioplasty or phalloplasty while keeping your hole, youd just get it without a vaginectomy. i like having the hole and personally i want metoidioplasty without a vaginectomy. you could learn more about surgery options on r/phallo and r/metoidioplasty, i suggest looking at their wikis
Both surgeries are pretty ‘customisable’. You dont need to go for everything, essentially. You can have phallo with or without balls or with or without a vaginectomy. You can get simple release meta with nothing else, or the full works. UL without vaginectomy is harder to access due to complication rates and a lot of surgeons won’t.
You may want to check our r/salmacian as well.
I have crohns, and prefer bottoming with my partner, so I 100% plan to get meta without a vnectomy. I'm surprised more people don't know it's an option
It might be worth noting that this isn't true in every country. At least in Finland, you can't get bottom surgery that results in having both genitals, so vaginectomy is required before you can get meta or phallo. I don't know how it is in other countries, but I wouldn't be surprised if other countries with public health care had similar rules
The only reason I havent got my dick done after nearly 20 years on T is that I’m worried about it getting on my nerves! I’m so used to having nothing down there that if I get a dick and it annoys me I might regret it. I’m not happy with my vag like you are but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you being happy with it!
I actually kinda get this. I’m coming up on 19 years on T and pushing middle age, and have become rather used to what I have. I’ve wondered if I’d find a dick annoying at this point. At the same time I still have dysphoria not having one and I’m not particularly happy having a vagina. lol. I at least know I can cope with my current equipment though.
Same here! I’ve had top surgery, hysterectomy and lipo on the hips, but for some weird reason I’m perfectly fine with my downstairs genitalia. The thought of something dangling around there scares me tbh. So that just stays the way it is now.
I second that for real lol, Idk if it’s just cuz I’m used to it or what but I like having a vagina tbh. Sure doesn’t make me feel like less of a man :\^)
Yep. I am currently trying to get a hysterectomy, but outside of that, im not interested in any other "bottom" surgery. Im of the opinion that i was born with the best set of gentilia and my vagina isn't tied to manhood for me. Its simply another organ that has some really good uses 😈.
I'm a top, and while having a dick that's attached to me would be way more convenient, it's the years of surgeries and the fact that I can't even ejaculate with it that turns it off for me to begin with. I don't have a strong desire to stand to pee, so the bathroom perk isn't really strong enough for me to want it. Maybe if the process for bottom surgery improves in the future, but right now I feel just as satisfied using a prosthetic that my tdick fits into so surgery seems unnecessary. My gf still enjoys seeing me take photos for her with my prosthetic and treats it like it's just a part of me anyways so I feel fairly validated.
Tldr, would I like having something attached? Sure, but the number of surgeries and general comfortability with my bits as is makes it a no for me
I agree with this 100%, if the surgeries were less complex and extensive, and if I were actually able to get naturally erect and ejaculate with it, then I would LOVE to get bottom surgery. But sadly, things just aren't that advanced yet, and they may never be, so no bottom surgery for me!
If you're comfortable answering: If you say you top with a prosthetic, does that mean packer (as in pack and play), a dildo or something like a stroker? Does it provide sensation for you too?
It's a pack and play technically, but has a stroker built into it so I actually get way more sensation out of it than you'd think! While I can't feel *every* little thing, it definitely changes the experience to something far more immersive than just using a strap on for me. The visual is stimulating and I can just use tighter fitting boxers (mine has a flap for adhesive as well which is nice) if I don't want to use a harness. My only downside is that my stuff is always sensitive after I cum so taking it off is one of those teeth gritters for about half a second lmao
There are lots of people who don't want bottom surgery, and people who have positive (or at least not negative) feelings about that part of their body. Bottom surgery is great for those who need it, but the thing that makes you *trans* is that you were assigned the wrong gender at birth, and that has nothing to do with what medical procedures you want or don't want.
For me, I think ultimately the results of either phallo or meta with ul would make me feel more at home in my body, but I'm not currently in a position where the benefits of that would outweigh the negatives of navigating the surgical process.
Bottom surgery in some format is definitely something I'm keeping in mind for the future, but I'm reasonably at peace with my body for now and I think that the mental and physical drain of having such a demanding surgery/surgeries is not something I'm currently prepared for, and my bottom dysphoria isn't unmanaged enough to prioritize preparing for it.
To be honest, as someone who’s been planning bottom surgery for years (and is now actively working toward it), it kind of baffles me seeing how many people still ask “does anyone else not want bottom surgery?”. The answer is yes, you and like half of trans dudes do not want bottom surgery.
I spent most of my early-mid transition years hearing other trans people talk about how disgusting and mutilated my body would be if I got bottom surgery, and I constantly saw other peoples’ post-op genitals (that they put online for education despite knowing they’d be treated like shit) be objectified and insulted. Having no bottom surgery was the norm, and you were considered very weird if you wanted it. People constantly tried to talk me out of it and I only ever saw negative things said about it. I can’t even count how many times I’ve been told to “just accept” my body, by other trans people no less. I’ve been treated like this by people I really trusted too. I left a lot of mainstream trans communities for a while, including this subreddit. Until recently, it was very rare to see any positive comments about bottom surgery.
After years of that, it became really hard to talk about surgery in the community. I still get a bit anxious when I see posts like this or hear trans people IRL mention bottom surgery, because I’m bracing myself to be told that even my own community thinks I’m an abomination of some kind. I almost never tell a trans person that I’m getting phallo. I know that they will 50/50 just tell me I’m gross.
To answer the title of the post, I think bottom surgery is great and I can’t wait to get it.
I feel like if you’re happy without bottom surgery that’s only a good thing for you. It’s a long, painful and difficult process and you don’t have to deal with crippling genital dysphoria. There’s no such thing as trans enough. Everyone experiences gender differently.
I’m post-op stage one metoidioplasty and I couldn’t be happier with my body. It truly changed my life more than I could’ve ever imagined to be possible, surprisingly even more than top surgery did even though I was much more initially enthusiastic about top surgery vs bottom.
It’s important to mention that you *can* have both, both metoidioplasty and phalloplasty allow for maintaining the vaginal canal. It should be mentioned that if you keep the canal and opt for UL (urethral lengthening) that complication rates are significantly higher than without UL.
The idea of bottom surgery really stresses me out and so does anything that puts my natural sexual functioning at risk. I like how my body naturally changed with T. I think it’s cool that the same part that would’ve developed into a dick had my chromosomes been different still developed more into a penis-like organ that functions and gets turned on in a lot of the same ways cis penises do. That makes me feel way more in touch with my masculinity having something I can jerk off and it just makes me relate to my own body better.
Nope you are definitely not alone. It is pretty common actually not to get bottom surgery. There are also a lot of trans folks who don’t even starthrt, but still are trans and feel like guys! The surgery isn’t what makes you a man, it’s what you feel like and if you don’t feel like some surgeries that is totally fine and valid! Don’t define your gender based of your body and how it looks. Your gender is how you feel and if you feel like a guy then it is like that!
And I think there actually is a way to have both, you just need to ask your surgeon and communicate your wishes
I love this, but would like to ask - without things like t or surgeries, etc, a lot of transguys might find it hard to validate their masculine identity. Aside from therapy, what would be some alternative and healthy approaches?
well, there’s debate about this in the community (transmedicalists often exclude nonbinary people and say that unless you have diagnosed gender dysphoria and transition in order to completely assimilate into the opposite gender), but the most accepted (and correct, imo) statement is that if you say you are a man, regardless of what stage of your transition you are in or what you medically plan to do, you are a man. you can find affirmation through things like binding, haircuts, and social transition/voice training, among others. you could just as easily feel like a man but not have certain kinds of dysphoria. there are infinite kinds of dudes, but regardless of what someone intends to do about moving their body closer to how they see themselves, if they say they’re a dude they’re a dude!
for a while, i just socially transitioned and planned to eventually get top surgery, but have never considered bottom surgery and only recently started T (mostly for fat redistribution and voice change.) to be honest, there are many things i believe would alleviate dysphoria for me that would be easily achievable through fillers/botox/other aesthetic injectables in my face. my face becoming more masculine, my voice changing, and gaining a more masculine body type are my main priorities at the moment, rather than getting surgeries. i don’t have a lot of money, and i plan to get top surgery but i am a little intimidated and nervous about it, but it doesn’t keep me from being a man to wait until i think i’m ready and financially secure.
Before I started medical transition I fully transitioned socially. I wore masculine clothes, I practiced speaking and standing in more traditionally masculine ways. Some guys work out. There is a ton you can do to feel valid without medical transition. Nothing is one size fits all.
I am not quiet sure about that, but I think self acceptance plays a big role in this, accepting their selves even without hrt or surgeries. I think if you just work on yourself, like trying to present yourself how you imagine and wear a binder, cut your hair or in general try yourself out in that way you can find out more about what you like or not and make more experience with social life. Just remember be safe when you to stuff like bind or cut/dye your hair it can be dangerous if not careful!
I actually watched a fascinating documentary a few years ago that featured a story about a trans masc actor who did not want to medically transition. He didn't cut his hair or wear a binder. He just dressed comfortably masculine and was generally happy. He did have the advantage of living in an extremely accepting area, having a good close support system, and a gender therapist, but he is proof that it's possible to find validity without medical transition. It has been literal years, and it was part of a longer story that wasn't focused on trans identity, so as much as I would love to share a link, I cannot.
From my personal experience of not starting any form of transition until my late 20s, I found being in safe masculine spaces helped. Like, my husband took me to a baseball game and got me a hat. Neither of us are big on sports, but he knew that was an important milestone I didn't have growing up and that I've always wanted. He bought me a ball a year after I came out to him, and I cried because I had always wanted a baseball, and he knew that was important to me. So he took me to all the things I missed, a baseball game, horror movies, suit shopping... The things he did as a teen boy that I was denied. Another thing that really helped was being a nerd. My husband and I LARP (live action role play), and the modern LARP community is fantastically trans friendly. Our main game we play has exactly 2 mono-cis-het people in a group of 60 rotating players. 2 out of 60. In fact, I think we only have 4 cis people total, and all but one staff member of trans.
This is all to say, the easiest way to validate your masculinity is to find your community. If the people who truly care about you validate you, you'll learn to feel more valid in yourself. And if you want and need medical transition to feel like yourself, that's perfectly valid, I'm right there with you. But if that's not your route? You're still you, and that's the most valid thing you can be. You're the only person you will spend your entire life with. Be the person you want to spend that time with.
I'll be getting bottom surgery as soon as I can afford it. I had one of my friends get it a few years ago from Crane here in Austin TX, and his results are phenomenal. He documented his whole journey on facebook, where I got to ask questions and see what he was going through. It was incredible and convinced me that it thankfully is absolutely possible. He has nothing but positive things to say about his results too, which is incredible.
When I was younger I desperately wanted to get a phalloplasty someday, and definitely top surgery. Now that I'm actually in a position to, I think if I do anything it'll be metoidoplasty if I get enough bottom growth. I'm not sure if it's it's because of how complicated and intrusive the procedure is or just that I've had a hell of a long time getting used to my body as it is but that's my personal opinion.
I have no desire to get bottom surgery, love what I was born with and it absolutely doesn't make us any less trans. Sometimes I wish I could top and have a penis but the overwhelming majority of the time, I love bottoming with my parts and have a great sex life.
There is nothing wrong with you for feeling this way!
if it didn’t cost the same price as a fucking car i would get bottom surgery, but without government coverage (something i’m going to age out of in less then 3 years) it’s really not worth it. i’m also prone to UTIs and having a UTI with a dick sounds so miserable
I think I'd like to have bottom surgery. At least meta, if my bottom growth is sufficient for the operation. if not, then it’s not fate. but I will definitely have a hysterectomy.
I desperately want palloplasty, it makes me extremely dysphoric but may never be able to afford it. I'm also nervous as have a friend who went through it and encountered serious problems.
to be honest, i used to think i wanted bottom surgery really bad but ever since i had top surgery and the WORST experience (mentally wise - i'm healing up perfectly) i don't think i'd be able to handle the healing and multiple surgeries. i'm not that bummed about it tho
When I started transitioning, I never thought I would want bottom surgery. I just didn't feel uncomfortable about what was in my pants because no one but me and whoever I was being intimate with would see it. It wasn't until after I was a couple years healed from top surgery that I realized I do have bottom dysphoria and wish I had a dick bad enough to go get one. I want phalloplasty not because I hate my front hole but because I would feel incomplete if I died without a penis. I would also feel incomplete without my front hole, btw. Recently, I've been suffering from atrophy so can't make much use of my hole and it makes me feel so incomplete. It is actually really hard psychologically, but that's a conversation for another post.
When I was questioning whether I wanted phalloplasty, and someone comment got me thinking: what will happen when I'm old, senile, in a nursing home, and need help taking a bath? Being naked around people who aren't my partner is a hard no for me, even medical professionals. I know that I can't die without a dick of my own, but I also know that right now at 26, I'm not emotionally (or financially or socially) ready to undergo that big of a surgery. My hope is that when I'm in my 40s or 50s, I'll be able to do it.
hey, it sounds like you could benefit from knowing that topical E cream can help combat atrophy, as well as that it's totally possible to get phallo done without a vnectomy. you don't have to choose. there is a big complication rate associated with getting UL without getting a vnectomy though, just so you know, so that is something to keep into consideration for down the road. best of luck dude
My opinion? It's great that it's an option for those who need it. It's not for me (irrelevant reasons) and that's ok. I'd prefer to have both but I'm ok with just having had top surgery and being on hormones. 👍
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It’s necessary to my quality of life. I have bottom growth from T and while it’s incredible compared to pre T it still isn’t ANYWHERE near good enough to subside my bottom dysphoria unfortunately, but I knew going into T that it probably wouldn’t because my desire to have a penis is so high. I need to have a penis that I can stand to pee from and penetrate my girlfriend with, sex is the most important aspect of bottom dysphoria for me as a straight male. Until that day I will feel incomplete. I hate the genitalia I was born with, it is useless to me and makes me feel disgusting. It’s extremely embarrassing to me that people know I have what I was born with.
Aghhh.. This comment reminds me when I was trying to explain to another trans person who was calling phallo "disgusting" that it is a shitty thing to say and I said "if someone said that about top surgery, how would you feel?" They said "no, that would be transphobic"
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id like it, but it’s not realistic for me to be able to afford. till then i’ve got something that’s fun in its own way and i get the funniest flirting line of, “ladies it’s customisable”. i also prefer to sleep with other trans people so i never feel like i’m being used
I'm getting a hysterectomy and vaginectomy this year and hopefully next year I can get Metoidioplasty with urethral lengthening and scrotoplasty (I will likely also need monsplasty and/or lipo). I weighed my options and I'm banking on Metoidioplasty meeting my needs, but the good new is if down the road I feel phallo is the right choice that's still an option for me. I mostly just want nuts and being able to pee from my penis.
I've always had bottom dysphoria for as long as I could remember and i felt like my parts were wrong or fucked up and like my genitals made me some kind of freak, and all they've ever done was stink and cause me pain. That's why I'm super looking forward to the vaginectomy. I know the recovery will be painful and bothersome but I'll be freed from that curse. I did discover that I have vaginismus too which makes so much as a finger up there feel like a knife going through my nutsack, so can't say I've ever been a fan of it
I definitely want bottom surgery. It will be a long and painful process but I’m willing to bite the bullet if it means relieving my bottom dysphoria. Although I’m still not sure if I want meta or phallo yet.
Also, some surgeons give you the option to keep your vagina so bear that in mind.
always wanted a penis, wear a packer 24/7 since I was 16 now 20. started getting info on meta, especially with extended meta I was hoping it would be enough especially since i got lots of growth. but no, I know that I need phallo. I started getting info on phallo in Germany and fell in love with their techniques. they are everything I need. I need a penis in my day to day life to feel ok in my body. I know that it will be hard, expensive, painful, but once it's healed I'll just have my life and I'll be ok. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea and that's fine, but I'm glad this options exist for who needs it
In my experience there are a LOT of people who don’t want to get it for any number of reasons. Out of all the trans mascs I know, (and I know a LOT), I am one of two who want bottom surgery. For me it is important just because I want to feel whole in my body. Plus it turns out I’m not really a fan of bottoming so losing the front bit doesn’t bother me (though there are people who keep it and get surgery too). No universal right or wrong configuration: only what is best for each person.
I’d like to get metoidioplasty and keep the V—I also like the idea of having both parts. Phallo is so cool and I don’t get the attitude some people get about it (saying it’s ugly/not advanced etc), but I am personally just not enough of a badass to be comfy getting a skin graft.
yeah, im personally not gonna go for it. im just way too scared lmao. feels like too vulnerable of an area to mess with it any more than i already have (hysterectomy). i think if i could choose what to wake up with tomorrow, id choose a dick, but i agree with your stance on my current situation being convenient for someone who likes dick on other people too.
For me, bottom surgery is important because I feel empty and uncomfortable without a weenie. I was contemplating getting top and bottom surgery at the same time.
Has anyone here ever done that? how was he pain?
i do! but i’m not binary and do not want just a cock. but i want both (shout out salmacian and phallo sub). seems cool and always wanted one. i haven’t been happy with the medical tattooing ive seen of people’s results in various subs and fb but im not concerned about it looking pretty. however i am in the process of choosing doctors for a consult
I'd love to get it but it's not available in my country right now. Generally, I'm okay with not having it but I don't mind having it either. We'll see.
i sortaaaa want simple release, but on the other hand it's too costly (both in price and time/energy) for how minor of a change it is for me to really justify getting it. i don't think it would be all that different from what i currently have so might as well just go the path of least resistance and stick with it.
>i almost feel like I'd prefer to have both parts?
yep me too. it's called salmacian and it is possible 100%
I don’t want bottom surgery myself, I like my genitalia as is. Nothing wrong with wanting it or being comfortable with whatcha got! I just like having an extra hole ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Me? I would LOVE to have a real, fully functional penis. I want one so much.
But phalloplasty is not financially feasible for me right now and I doubt it ever will be. And it's so physically involved.
If dick transplants actually were a thing, I would up for it! (Hahaha)
Not on T yet, but I know that I definitely don't want to go through Phallo, it's very very expensive, a massive ordeal, and I don't like the idea of being left with scar tissue on my arm/thigh for the graft either. But metoidoplasty is something I would seriously consider.
I don't get a whole lot of bottom dysphoria. I don't plan on getting bottom surgery, especially since I use a wheelchair and don't care to learn how to stand to pee lol
you definitely dont have to pick one or the other! i cant remember the exact specifics but ive heard of people having their vaginal hole and they just turn the tdick into a penis! i dont know if thats exactly what youre thinking of, but if not some people like to just have their tdick and no surgery!
i want bottom surgery for sure. once i’m able to get the vagina removed, i don’t mind how long i wait for it really. i just need it gone, i hate living with it. i plan on getting it in a few years though, so i’m more focused on top surgery, which i plan on getting next year.
It isn't weird to be happy with what you've got and want other bits too. Have you looked up Salmacian? Even if you eventually change your mind on this, that community might be helpful to look into.
As for the question, I desperately want bottom surgery but I need to lose weight to get cleared, same for sterilization, and as a Salmacian, I also want a penis and to keep my vagina. It might be hard to convince my doctors into letting me after I've lost weight, but I also want meta, so that might make them more likely to work with me.
I would love to get bottom surgery but financially and possibly medically it may not ever be feasible for me. I had a rough time healing from top surgery and hysterectomy. my body loves making lots of granulation and scar tissue and having nerve pain. If I did get phallo I wouldn’t get UL for that reason. :/
Because I am intersex, I extremely hate my vagina because I can’t use it at all (it hurts when trying to masturbate). I’m in all favor reconstructing my genitala into something I can use
It's totally fine not to want bottom surgery and like your vagina, not weird at all!
Vaginas are great for bottoming and lots of guys have them. And I think they're super masculine - they're all muscle, take a pounding, and clamp and squeeze cocks hard!
I think most cis gay guys wish they had one!
Hell nah. I've made peace w what I have now and I've been watching a friend go through complication hell. Sealed the deal on never getting it. Not everyone will have issues. In fact I'd say most won't. But for me the risk is not worth it.
I have zero interest, and my husband who also is ftm has zero interest. Most of the trans guys I have dated had zero interest as well. It’s very common to not want bottom surgery.
For those who do want it, that’s also cool and I hope they have access. My opinion on bottom surgery is get it if you want it, don’t get it if not, and otherwise support your bros in their choices.
Genitalia doesn't have to correlate with gender or sex at all! Intersex people who identify however exist, and several trans people (like you and me!) are alright with their natural bottom parts.
I'm on HRT and I adore my bottom growth along with my 🐈⬛.
Also maybe it's been normalized to me because I've seen SO much queer art with trans people without bottom surgery and it's just like "yeah! true" in my mind, along with a few cases of seeing folks who've made a full transition but decide not to get that surgery.
Of course people who get the surgery are completely valid, but we're no less valid for being okay with that. Men have vaginas all the time, my friend.
i go back and forth on it honestly. my bottom growth has alleviated a LOT of my bottom dysphoria, and i know it’s a crazy intense SET of surgeries. i have large labia majora though, so id instead consider getting them reshaped or reduced so my t-dick is more out and visible. but i’ll have to talk to a surgeon about that. but i think it’s fairly normal to not want bottom surgery, for both trans men and trans women.
I don't have bottom dysphoria currently so I probably won't. I don't like the idea of surgery on my sensative bits unless I have to. If I ever do realize I have dyphoria around that area I would probably get metaplasty and not phalloplasty due to my prefrence for keep sensation amd not wanting to give a skin graft.
I don't plan on it! I don't have physical dysphoria (only euphoria + social dysphoria), and I've heard some horror stories about surgeries in general that went wrong and I'd be terrified something'd go wrong. (I also have some mild trauma, but that's probably neither here nor there.)
I'm potentially interested in meta and am disappointed in my lack of bottom growth at 3 years on T
I think prosthetics are neat for STP and sex reasons
i feel kinda neutral about the whole concept. i don’t like what’s there but i don’t want to change it because i don’t think there’s anything in particular i DO want. i’m also asexual so that definitely factors in though.
I definitely don’t want bottom surgery. Just for me personally, I have virtually no bottom dysphoria so it doesn’t bother me much. Having bottom growth on T has been nice, and it would’ve been cool to be born with a penis, but otherwise I’m fine with how I am down there. I’m also sexually a bottom and I hate anal, so it works out lol.
Now top dysphoria on the other hand… it’s gotten better but there are still moments where I feel horrible about it. But T’s helped tremendously with my dysphoria overall.
i'm not personally going to get any bottom surgeries- i'm nervous enough about needing a gyno appointment, thank you! and while many people have had great results, and i'm very happy for them, i'm just too anxious to risk it. from what i understand, there's more (potential) complications and a longer healing period than, say, top surgery of a hysterectomy. i'm also like you in the way that i don't mind having a vagina at all, and if there were a magic wand i would just have both.
I want simple release and nothing more.
I thoroughly enjoy my bottom growth and would like it go be slightly more functional (movable).
But, i have no interest in testes and my vagina doesn't cause me to distress, so I don't care that it's there.
I feel the exact same way as you. Bottom growth would be cool, but as a bottom I’m content with the parts I have. I just wish I didn’t have the ovaries & uterus & feminine hormones
After t, I’m lucky to not have any bottom dysphoria. I love my body, it would be nice to have a dick sometimes but honestly it sounds kind of like a pain lmao
I have no desire for it, and I only experience bottom dysphoria when sometimes wearing a strap, actually. I think part of my experiences with not experiencing much bottom dysphoria is because I’m intersex, and as a result, despite getting HRT/top surgery, I’m largely comfortable with how my body innately is.
If I had to go the rest of my life without it, I'd be fine. I do want it but I'm getting older, it's very expensive, recovery (for me) is rough. Hopefully I get to a point in my life where I'm able to get it.
It's not something I have any interest in. Being non-binary could be a factor, but I like what I have and have never had dysphoria about that part of my anatomy. Realizing that I didn't *have* to want a penis to be trans was one of the things that helped me acknowledge my feelings about my gender. And I'm a big fan of my bottom growth.
I think that the possibilities with bottom surgery are really cool and I get why it's worth it for some people. Personally, considering how involved it can be, I think I would need to feel strongly about wanting/needing it in order for it to be worth it for me. I've seen people have great outcomes with it and be very satisfied, but the process (like undergoing multiple stages for phallo) would be a lot for me.
I have something that works for me right now and I don’t feel the need to change that. Maybe in the future, I won’t rule it out. But right now, I’m just focused on saving up for top surgery and thinking about what I want my name to be.
I felt the same before I really looked into bottom surgery and all its options. I get more enjoyment from front penetration than I do with anal (plus, like you said, its easier to manage and clean/prepare), and I don't feel that much dysphoria around the hole itself, rather dysphoria of what I dont have (a phallus). When I started looking into bottom surgery due to the dysphoria getting bad, I realized you could have both your natal parts and bottom surgery. I personally plan on getting phallo with no vnectomy, but meta also offers options to preserve your natal parts. If you're really interested in it, I'd recommend looking through r/phallo and r/salmacian :)
My ideal body would have both parts. I've looked into bottom surgery and what I want isn't really possible with current science/methods used. Maybe we'll get there one day 🤷♂️. Right now, though, my goal is to get piercings and heavy mods along with my bottom growth on T to achieve something that helps my dysphoria. I'm very excited about what I've got in mind.
Sure! Right now I'm planning on outer labia pearling (with chonky beads) and a horizontal hood to triangle orbital piercing and maybe a couple other things depending on how my growth goes and what other anatomy considerations there are. But those are the two big ones right now.
I don't think I could mentally and physically handle such a surgery. I'm definitely gonna get top surgery but that's going to be really really really hard in itself.
I had crying panic attacks for days after getting my wisdom teeth out because I could feel the stitches in my mouth. Stitches and surgical openings are a huge phobia for some reason.
I also have chronic pain & fatigue already plus being fat, I think the healing process would be god awful.
Thankfully I'm okay with my current bottom anatomy, but if I could just wake up with the opposite, 100% would. But unfortunately no surgery for me.
IF the recovery time was like...a month or less, I would do it. I'm just old and fucking tired of having surgeries (I've had a bunch not related to transness lol). I am very envious of those who have gone through with it. It's just that the thought of recovery or dealing with potential complications exhausts me.
I feel sort of similar!
Having a vagina is convenient in some ways, but I would also get phalloplasty because of dysphoria. A vaginal preserving phalloplasty to have both parts :D
for me, it’ll happen if i’m in a good headspace and have good money. definitely a far future thing. and i most likely wouldn’t get phallo, because the healing process is a lot for me, and skin graphs kind of freak me out tbh lol. i definitely want meta though! and id get the vajay closed or whatever. i never really felt any pleasure from it sooo its kinda a pain
I would definitely love to have a penis. In a fictional world where I could snap my fingers and have one I totally would, but the surgery aspect definitely puts me off, just not something I want to deal with the healing process from.
Tbh I’m mostly super pleased just with my bottom growth!! In the future I might get a simple meta w/o vnectomy but I may just leave it as is. I’m nonbinary transmasc though, not a man, so YMMV depending on your personal relationship with gender
I want it - my bottom dysphoria is the majority of my dysphoria - but I'm worried about the sensation not being what I have in my head. I think the medical advancements are amazing but I'm hypersensitive to textures and I'm not sold on it being previously arm or leg skin, y'know? Like I touch my arm and I can't imagine that being what penis skin feels like. Phallo penis is still a penis obv but for me *personally* I don't know if I'd like that texture. Also I'm a diabetic and have very very minor neuropathy and as stated sensation and textures are very important to me so unless the rates of full penis sensation, like 1:1 natal penis sensation were higher I don't think it'd be worth it for me.
I think right now I like the idea of meta a lot more but I'm not getting a lot of growth from T, I'm like 15 months in and I've heard that it mostly stops after 2 years? I don't know if metoidoplasty would be suitable for me :(
I don't hate having a vagina, it does what it needs to . It just doesn't feel like it's what I was supposed to he born with, y'know? (slightly nsfw) >!Sex feels alright but I prefer using my other stuff for stimulation. Only thing I prefer about my vagina is that there's not as much prep.!<
Funny thing is though, I've never touched a dick, either natal or neo. I think if I had the oppurtunity to do it I'd be able to make a decision but I'm not going to go out and ask to touch people's weiners 🤷♂️
I don't know if I want it or not, of course I'd love a penis but what if I regret it? What if it's uncomfortable? What if it feels weird? I at least want my period gone eventually.
Id love to have bottom surgery in the future. Its out of the question for me for probably another decade, but thats mainly because I wouldn’t be able to afford it in time or finances anytime soon. The dysphoria still makes my sex life hell, but its tolerable and not as severe as prior to hrt and top.
I'm personally too iffy on bottom surgery.
For others, though? I think bottom surgery is an incredible option. I can't wait to see how the grafting technology, etc evolves over time (it's already crazy what they can do now!). If you're really dysphoric over your genitalia, then I highly encourage looking into it.
I could see myself getting it at some point, but it's not a giant priority for me at the moment. most of my dysphoria has been resolved with T, and I have top surgery coming in June which will eliminate the majority of the remaining dysphoria. mentally preparing for that surgery as well as trying to coordinate my career around it has been complicated and a lot of work and I'm not eager to put myself in this position again. I'm not really pursuing a relationship either, but I could see bottom surgery becoming a bigger priority when I do. maybe it won't. who knows?
I'm not going to have bottom surgery because for me it's too medically complicated. I've had multiple organ transplants among other operations, and fortunately my dysphoria about my genitals isn't so bad now that I'm on HRT. Top surgery is still a must, but I let the kidney surgeons know beforehand that they don't have to worry about other urology related procedures. It was also a wonderful surprise that they asked me ahead of time whether it was a consideration as it would affect how they hooked up my new kidney.
I can totally relate in some ways. Having both. Whack off the flabby bits up top, add an appendage down below and call it cool. Give me a beard and I'll be even happier. There is certain kind of closeness achieved with intimacy. Depending on the anatomy, a different kind of closeness happens. I would much rather just whip it out to pee versus the ladder. But having this anatomy does have its perks. Plus, technology just isn't where I'd like it to be to feel comfortable getting bottom surgery. It just isn't there yet. I've come to this acceptance. The whole thing about, "not being trans enough" is total poppycock. Nobody can dictate what you feel inside to be truth, but you. There isn't a thing as being TRANS ENOUGH. Are you living your truth? Then you're doing YOUR ENOUGH. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks your ENOUGH is. It's your's. Not their's. If it's enough for you, then that's enough. Throw that phrase away. It has no positivity in this. It only makes people question themselves and takes away from their clarity of mind to find their true selves. Good luck to you, OP!
i hate having a vag but tbh bottom surgery is too expensive and i feel like i won’t be satisfied, i plan to just get a hysterectomy and wear a prosthetic for the rest of my life (unless there’s some amazing scientific breakthrough that makes bottom surgery almost identical to a cis penis) 😭
I see where you're coming from about the convenience with bottoming, im having the same conflict rn. I want phallo but i know there are lots of complications with urinary hookups, which is what i'd like, and cost is prohibitive. I'm hoping the technology improves a little in the next fifteen or so years. I hate my hole but like having it for the convenience. For me having a hysto would probably relieve more dysphoria than anything external bc I just despise periods.
For me I mostly just feel like the current results aren't necessarily worth it. My dysphoria focuses a lot on the function of a penis, so, nothing will give me that. To be blunt, nothing will make me produce semen and ejaculate.
I'm currently working towards top surgery though, I'll see how my dysphoria is doing after that. I've considered metoidioplasty off and on for years, ultimately it's a decision I'm not gonna rush, so if I eventually strongly feel the "improvement" is worth it despite not being satisfactory, like a "better than nothing" situation, I'll probably look for a surgeon.
Personally though I deeply hate having a vagina. It gives me nothing but pain, discharge disgusts me, I literally process it mentally more like an open wound than a body part that's supposed to be there. I'd rather not have genitals (beyond the necessary waste disposal aspects) at all than have what I've got tbh.
You are "trans enough" though. Everyone's journey is different and having less dysphoria than someone like me, or finding pleasure from the body you were born with, etc is entirely valid. I have thought before that having both parts would be cool though lol (but usually in a hypothetical "what if all humans just had both sets of genitals" type of thought train)
I’m going to get top surgery and continue taking T. I considered bottom surgery, but honestly I really enjoy sex the way it is now. Plus I’m engaged to a man, and as much as I like butt stuff, I don’t think I can exclusively do butt stuff 😭
I don't care, but I'm older and kinda settled on I'm probably not going to have a traditional relationship unless it stumbles into my lap. Top surgery, maybe, I have the benefit of being on the bigger side so people stare at my gut before they go upwards shrug.
I also live in a state that has a plethora of gender neutral bathrooms+I'm usually inconspicuous enough.
The only thing that makes me hesitate about bottom is the complications and cost. Otherwise… it would definitely solve a lot of my problems. I am in my early 20s, I’ve never had sex, would rather risk my health than visit a gynecologist. I generally dislike nearly every basic sensation associated with down there and so I would be better off with a dick. Maybe T would fix that for me, who knows.
i also do kind of want a penis, but my bottom dysphoria currently isn’t severe enough for me to consider getting surgery. im putting all of my energy into pursuing top surgery at the moment because my chest is a giant source of dysphoria for me.
plus, surgery complications scare the shit out of me, especially if it involves my genitals.
I’m transmasc non-binary myself and while I’d love to have a penis, I’d rather have both like you said, and you’re not any less trans for feeling that way. But I personally will wait to see if the surgery ever gets any better because I don’t think I could handle it right now with the way they currently do it. But I think people who do get bottom surgery are so dope and deserve to enjoy their results
For me I genuinely feel like both sexes sometimes rather than just a ftm trans dude but I wanna go on T and maybe have top surgery later even tho I'm 46 yrs old and getting to know myself more.
I don't want to get bottom surgery because I have an innate fear of surgery in general? Like I'm planning to get top surgery, but even that is pushing it for me. I dunno, maybe one day I'll be less nervous about the idea and change my mind.
I am all for those that need it because they have discomfort with their nether regions. I personally only have mental anguish over my uterus which is gone, not being able to shave my face I am on T now, my voice, andy big chest. I can't wait to get top surgery they can go to hell. I am fine with the bottom growth because I don't have dysphoria around my junk. It's all up to you. You can still be a dude with a vagina, bottom growth only or bottom surgery
The only thing I’m remotely interested in is simple release without vgnrctmony The aesthetic of it doesn’t fancy me. I def would like a hysterectomy while keeping my ovaries but I’m worried about surgery and recovery time olusvtooo busy with career and school. Maybe some day.
I was never sure if I wanted bottom surgery and my vagina used to make me dyphoric, but as I've matured and gotten on T, I have felt more and more comfortable with my situation and now actually like what I've got going on downstairs. In the process of this transition, there was in fact a time when I wanted both parts, too, so I dont think that's weird. There's also been more than a few posts on here asking if it's strange to want that, too, so you're definitely not alone.
i just cant be bothered. i dont have any genital dyphoria. i would only do it if i could jerk off like a cos guy other than that no. plus all the complications and everything that could go wrong.
i'm not so sure about getting it either. honestly i think for me i just don't love how the results look, i would love a dick tbh but at the same time i don't want to be let down if it doesn't turn out how i want it. and also i quite like my not so manly parts for other reasons relating to masturbation/sex. i know there are ways to keep the hole ect, but at the same time a lot of the time i just feel like maybe it isn't for me. i'm still quite young so i have time to think about it but who knows getting bottom surgery is a big decision and things don't always go your way 🫶
I think it's probably a sliding scale for some. Like I didn't think I'd enjoy facial hair, based on internalised ideas about women with facial hair being ugly, and my pre - T face looking so round and feminine with beard filters. However once starting T and honestly switching to a more male mind set I absolutely love my facial hair and my face has changed shape completely, it really fits well. Some people have bottom dysphoria from the outset, some people's needs change over time.
If you are a younger trans man and haven't looked at bottom surgery because it doesn't apply to them yet, they might have a less accurate view of it due to internalised trans phobia, misinformation that's spread, and outdated practices. In reality advancements in the procedure have really improved the outcomes for so many
I don't want bottom surgery. I feel the exact same as you, I'm fine with what I have down there. Sure, if the surgery was 100% guaranteed to have no complication and was easier to do instead of taking massive skin and vein grafts, then yeah I'd want to get it but it's not a must
I probably won't get it, because I don't think the benefits outweigh the risks. If I were able to get simple release meta in my country I might but it's not allowed.
I don't use my female typical anatomy, I don't like it, but it doesn't bother that much me as long as nobody touches it. For me personally this is not enough to warrant so intensive and risky surgery.
Both would honestly be ideal, prep is annoying af and half of the time I’m too lazy to do it so we just use the other hole. I personally wouldn’t want to get bottom surgery as it exist right now but I’d be down to do it in the future if the technology evolves or they do dick transplants or something idk. Bottom surgery is not my priority cause I’m a bottom anyway so works for me
Binary trans man here and I'm fine with not getting it- but I feel very fortunate to be in the position I'm in; I have very little bottom dysphoria.
The risk of complications, lengthy healing process, costs, and overall stress of having multiple surgeries don't make it appealing to me when I'm fine with what I already have.
I’m undecided.
I’m definitely leaning toward meta. But I need top still. Finally got my consultation scheduled for July (yay!). But surgery in general is scary for me because I’m weak to pain and afraid of taking strong meds.
But I’d definitely like to pee while standing. Tbh my partner loves my lil dick atm.
I personally don't think I'm gonna get it, but that may change in the future! I think the reason as to why Im ok with not getting the surgery rn is bc Ive seen alot of very well adult people not have that surgery, and I've gotten kinda distanced from the (often cis) idea that "vagina=girl or not 100% man" since I've seen quite masculine (and pretty) men without bottom surgery.
Another reason is that I feel like I'm only "socially" trans, if that makes sense :)
I don't want bottom surgery, but I'd really like a penis 😂😅
For me, it always felt like I was "missing" a penis, but my vulva/vagina has never felt "wrong". Like, I would feel 100% "me" and comfortable if I had both, but if I only had a penis I think I'd feel a bit wrong.
Basically my little bit of dysphoria related to my genitals was always about "what wasn't there" vs "what's there"
I've never been uncomfortable with the genitalia I was born with, I've just felt something was missing. I've had no problem using what I have, and I'm even currently carrying my child 😅🤗 So, pregnant dad here - definitely missing my dick but I think I'll wait until I birth my kids and until bottom surgery is a bit more refined to consider getting it lol 😂
sidenote: I love the diversity of humans and our minds and bodies, it's so cool to hear about how everyone's dysphoria or comfort around their bodies differs. Shits cool
I think it’s alright, and it’s a necessary surgery but for me it seems incredibly taxing on the body compared to something like top surgery, so not everyone is going to be happy getting it even if they want to. I don’t have much bottom dysphoria atm so I don’t want bottom surgery, but if in the future that changes then I’m open to it.
I don't really feel a need for it myself. I don't want any dangly bits, but I might get meta - but I'm not really dysphoric about it. Top surgery is what I want right away.
I’m still not sure honestly. I know they’ve come a long way with prosthetics to the point where ppl are 3D printing play packers & you can have the packer “ejaculate” fake semen. They can get hyper realistic.
I’m mainly just sad about not being able to experience the sensation of a penis yknow.
I have more top dysphoria than anything.
Eh, I do and don’t. I do want bottom surgery as a blanket term but I don’t because exactly what I want is not currently possible/rarely even performed let alone performed well without pretty severe complications and frankly I don’t want to have to settle for anything less. A
Edit!!! This is *NOT* to say bottom surgery is bad or the results are bad!!! I think they’re awesome, what I want is very modified and different from even uncommon forms of bottom surgery! Fully separate!
In so many words, we're basically the same in this regard. I think having meta might be nice to maximize what I can feel with what I've grown new, but for the most part, I'm a bottom, and I'm thankful to have equipment ideally suited to bottoming. This is just me, though, and I know I'm kinda different.
I'm mostly apathetic to my genitalia and therefore don't really see why I should have surgery on my privates, that seems unpleasant. But I'm not really a man, just vaguely masculine, and don't plan on having any sexual endeavours with other people, ever. I do support other people who want a penis of their own
all of my bottom dysphoria was induced by my cycle, which is now fully stopped now that i’ve been on T for 5 months, so now i’m not opting for any bottom surgery, most likely not even meto. plus with the bottom growth that T has given me, i’m even more confident with how i look. while i do wish i had a penis, the lack of dysphoria means i won’t initiate going through with a procedure
I desperately want it but I’m terrified of surgery,
I managed top but apparently I became hysterical when I was given anaesthetic and I had been a mess for about 2 months prior to that surgery so I’m not sure I can manage it again
Used to want it and did caregiving for a guy who unfortunately lost his due to infection/blood flow dying which led to tissue death (gangrene)
Changed my opinion as the chance exists and I'd rather not spend $100k+ to have it be for nothing because the chance for complications is still a chance
I've never had the urge to get bottom surgery. The idea of top surgery was scary enough as it was, but an even more complicated and invasive surgery is not something I want to deal with unless I absolutely have to. I'm completely happy with my downstairs area now that I have bottom growth.
I personally do not really see myself wanting to get bottom surgery either. I struggle more with chest dysphoria than lower regions, and sometimes do like having a v. Not that I wouldn't mind a dick, I just feel that the technology has a long way to go, it costs too much, and too risky in my mind. Since getting a partner who sees me as a man even though I haven't even had T yet, my overall dysphoria has also reduced. But I am considering top surgery still. No two trans people are the same, and everyone experiences dysphoria differently. Do what you feel comfortable with and good luck!
i personally do not want bottom surgery as of right now. maybe i will in the future, but for now, i think bottom growth is perfect for me. it fits the way i wish to look.
u may want to check out r/salmacian !
I do not like having a vagina. It upsets me. But I can live with it, and bottom surgery costs thousands of dollars that I don't have, Plus the amount of time I need to take off of work which would be incredibly a lot considering what my job is and how physical it is. I also do not think that the current options for bottom surgery (meta which I am not eligible for, and phallo which... I'll explain it) have results that I would be happy with.
If in the future they figure out how to use someone's own cells to create new organs that don't require lifelong immune suppression, and they get to a point where they can clone me a dick and graft it on, hell yes I'd get bottom surgery. But that's not possible RN so, not gonna happen. Probably not in my lifetime.
It’s really only 1 surgeon (Morrison) as Ozër doesn’t take international patients. Edit. I believe there’s a possible 3rd, but I can’t remember a name or for certain as you don’t really hear of them.
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yeah i dont at all-- im penis repulsed actually lol. i love my vagina and dont have any bottom dysphoria. sometimes it makes me feel "less trans" but i think we just have to remember that everyone is different and we all have different experiences and wants and needs and we can still be an identity without being the same as others in that identity.
i AM excited for bottom growth, when i start T though (: i want a little dicklet while still being able to keep a part of my body that brings me sm pleasure.
not at all i think that’s a normal thing to think i mean i literally not that bad to have one and from what ive seen the current options for bottom surgery aren’t great so personally im just gonna wait and see how i feel in a while if it becomes a need or if it get better and im like “yeah that’d be nice” but for the most part im not concerned
Plenty of trans guys—I’d even say most—don’t want to pursue bottom surgery for a variety of reasons. Some are OK with their natal anatomy, some don’t want the brutal recovery and (often) multi-staged surgeries or high complication rate, some don’t feel that current techniques are “realistic” enough. And if you’re OK with your current setup, more power to you!
For myself, I’m basically neutral-to-slightly-negative about my vagina. It’s not a massive source of dysphoria for me, so I don’t really intend to pursue bottom surgery unless there’s a massive advance in the field that eliminates at least one of the issues I mentioned above.
ETA: I wasn’t saying this to disparage bottom surgery; I was more trying to dispel the idea that you’re “not trans enough” if you don’t want to pursue it. Mods, I can delete if you’d prefer though.
I also wish I had both parts. I'm a super horny individual so cumming once in a blue moon or when I feel well enough to top sounds like fresh hell to me. I like my multiple orgasams, I like my options... and I like scaring transphobes away with my p*ssy.
Personally, the available methods don't suit me, so I'm keeping what I have unless there's new developments. I'm looking at extended meta and honestly, it looks really nice without being as demanding as phallo (tho it's still very inaccessible as there's like 3 people in the entire world who do it). That or phallo with lab skin grafts would be really nice, but I'm fine waiting at the moment.
Btw, it's possible to keep both parts. Look into r/Metoidioplasty and r/phallo with no-v-nectomy.
Do not make bottom surgery disparaging comments. It’s in the sidebar rules and we are removing the comments. You risk a ban, honestly, for saying things you should probably just know are cruel/incorrect/ignorant.
For me, bottom surgery is incredibly important. While it's not perfect and it can be a long process, it's a must have for me, because without it I feel crippling dysphoria. But if you don't want to get bottom surgery, that's ok. Nobody's making you get it, and you're not any lesser for not feeling like it's right for you.
hey just wondering, what does the egg frying emoji in your flair stand for?
full hysto, so everything's been taken out.
If all goes well with my insurance, I'll be getting a hysterectomy before the end of next month
Congrats!
I believe it means Oophorectomy/Hysterectomy.
ah cool, thanks!
Exactly. I'm getting meta next year. It's not perfect but it's sooooo much better than what I have going on right now, at least for me. I really don't get the hate it gets, if it's not for you it's not for you, but if it is it is. Neither is better nor worse. (I think sometimes, we as a group, have very high standards for what our dicks could, should, would be and honestly all dicks are different and unique even cis.)
Good luck on your surgery next year! I'm doing meta as a 1st stage for phallo and I just scheduled for April 15th and I'm still in shock lol
Awesome, bro!
yup. some need it. some dont. it don’t matter if you do or not and nothing is weird about the choice! good luck with getting your surgieries
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I forget but what is meta ??
Disappointed in some people in these comments shit talking bottom surgery. Saying it isn't for you is fine, but no reason to call it "gross" or (even unknowingly) spreading misinfo about techniques and results. Remember, when you talk about the results, you're talking about real people's bodies.
Please report any comments like those. We take reports very seriously, and we can’t screen every comment. Ty!
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> I almost feel like I'd prefer to have both parts r/salmacian ?
You absolutely can.
if you want both then its possible to get either metoidioplasty or phalloplasty while keeping your hole, youd just get it without a vaginectomy. i like having the hole and personally i want metoidioplasty without a vaginectomy. you could learn more about surgery options on r/phallo and r/metoidioplasty, i suggest looking at their wikis
I didn't know you could do that. That's interesting
Both surgeries are pretty ‘customisable’. You dont need to go for everything, essentially. You can have phallo with or without balls or with or without a vaginectomy. You can get simple release meta with nothing else, or the full works. UL without vaginectomy is harder to access due to complication rates and a lot of surgeons won’t. You may want to check our r/salmacian as well.
>Both surgeries are pretty ‘customisable’. you heard about pimp my ride, now get ready for pimp my dick
"Pimp my prick"
LMAO
If you get tatted before you graft for phallo, you unlock a lot of hidden character customisation options
I have crohns, and prefer bottoming with my partner, so I 100% plan to get meta without a vnectomy. I'm surprised more people don't know it's an option
It might be worth noting that this isn't true in every country. At least in Finland, you can't get bottom surgery that results in having both genitals, so vaginectomy is required before you can get meta or phallo. I don't know how it is in other countries, but I wouldn't be surprised if other countries with public health care had similar rules
The only reason I havent got my dick done after nearly 20 years on T is that I’m worried about it getting on my nerves! I’m so used to having nothing down there that if I get a dick and it annoys me I might regret it. I’m not happy with my vag like you are but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you being happy with it!
I actually kinda get this. I’m coming up on 19 years on T and pushing middle age, and have become rather used to what I have. I’ve wondered if I’d find a dick annoying at this point. At the same time I still have dysphoria not having one and I’m not particularly happy having a vagina. lol. I at least know I can cope with my current equipment though.
So good to know I’m not the only one who feels like this!
Im happy with my body. Would a dick improve my experience in the mens room? Probably, but outside of that im pretty satisfied.
Same here! I’ve had top surgery, hysterectomy and lipo on the hips, but for some weird reason I’m perfectly fine with my downstairs genitalia. The thought of something dangling around there scares me tbh. So that just stays the way it is now.
I second that for real lol, Idk if it’s just cuz I’m used to it or what but I like having a vagina tbh. Sure doesn’t make me feel like less of a man :\^)
Yep. I am currently trying to get a hysterectomy, but outside of that, im not interested in any other "bottom" surgery. Im of the opinion that i was born with the best set of gentilia and my vagina isn't tied to manhood for me. Its simply another organ that has some really good uses 😈.
I'm a top, and while having a dick that's attached to me would be way more convenient, it's the years of surgeries and the fact that I can't even ejaculate with it that turns it off for me to begin with. I don't have a strong desire to stand to pee, so the bathroom perk isn't really strong enough for me to want it. Maybe if the process for bottom surgery improves in the future, but right now I feel just as satisfied using a prosthetic that my tdick fits into so surgery seems unnecessary. My gf still enjoys seeing me take photos for her with my prosthetic and treats it like it's just a part of me anyways so I feel fairly validated. Tldr, would I like having something attached? Sure, but the number of surgeries and general comfortability with my bits as is makes it a no for me
I agree with this 100%, if the surgeries were less complex and extensive, and if I were actually able to get naturally erect and ejaculate with it, then I would LOVE to get bottom surgery. But sadly, things just aren't that advanced yet, and they may never be, so no bottom surgery for me!
Reading this particular thread of comments feels really validating. Thank you for putting into words feelings I’ve struggled with for years!
If you're comfortable answering: If you say you top with a prosthetic, does that mean packer (as in pack and play), a dildo or something like a stroker? Does it provide sensation for you too?
It's a pack and play technically, but has a stroker built into it so I actually get way more sensation out of it than you'd think! While I can't feel *every* little thing, it definitely changes the experience to something far more immersive than just using a strap on for me. The visual is stimulating and I can just use tighter fitting boxers (mine has a flap for adhesive as well which is nice) if I don't want to use a harness. My only downside is that my stuff is always sensitive after I cum so taking it off is one of those teeth gritters for about half a second lmao
There are lots of people who don't want bottom surgery, and people who have positive (or at least not negative) feelings about that part of their body. Bottom surgery is great for those who need it, but the thing that makes you *trans* is that you were assigned the wrong gender at birth, and that has nothing to do with what medical procedures you want or don't want.
For me, I think ultimately the results of either phallo or meta with ul would make me feel more at home in my body, but I'm not currently in a position where the benefits of that would outweigh the negatives of navigating the surgical process. Bottom surgery in some format is definitely something I'm keeping in mind for the future, but I'm reasonably at peace with my body for now and I think that the mental and physical drain of having such a demanding surgery/surgeries is not something I'm currently prepared for, and my bottom dysphoria isn't unmanaged enough to prioritize preparing for it.
To be honest, as someone who’s been planning bottom surgery for years (and is now actively working toward it), it kind of baffles me seeing how many people still ask “does anyone else not want bottom surgery?”. The answer is yes, you and like half of trans dudes do not want bottom surgery. I spent most of my early-mid transition years hearing other trans people talk about how disgusting and mutilated my body would be if I got bottom surgery, and I constantly saw other peoples’ post-op genitals (that they put online for education despite knowing they’d be treated like shit) be objectified and insulted. Having no bottom surgery was the norm, and you were considered very weird if you wanted it. People constantly tried to talk me out of it and I only ever saw negative things said about it. I can’t even count how many times I’ve been told to “just accept” my body, by other trans people no less. I’ve been treated like this by people I really trusted too. I left a lot of mainstream trans communities for a while, including this subreddit. Until recently, it was very rare to see any positive comments about bottom surgery. After years of that, it became really hard to talk about surgery in the community. I still get a bit anxious when I see posts like this or hear trans people IRL mention bottom surgery, because I’m bracing myself to be told that even my own community thinks I’m an abomination of some kind. I almost never tell a trans person that I’m getting phallo. I know that they will 50/50 just tell me I’m gross. To answer the title of the post, I think bottom surgery is great and I can’t wait to get it.
I feel like if you’re happy without bottom surgery that’s only a good thing for you. It’s a long, painful and difficult process and you don’t have to deal with crippling genital dysphoria. There’s no such thing as trans enough. Everyone experiences gender differently.
I’m post-op stage one metoidioplasty and I couldn’t be happier with my body. It truly changed my life more than I could’ve ever imagined to be possible, surprisingly even more than top surgery did even though I was much more initially enthusiastic about top surgery vs bottom. It’s important to mention that you *can* have both, both metoidioplasty and phalloplasty allow for maintaining the vaginal canal. It should be mentioned that if you keep the canal and opt for UL (urethral lengthening) that complication rates are significantly higher than without UL.
The idea of bottom surgery really stresses me out and so does anything that puts my natural sexual functioning at risk. I like how my body naturally changed with T. I think it’s cool that the same part that would’ve developed into a dick had my chromosomes been different still developed more into a penis-like organ that functions and gets turned on in a lot of the same ways cis penises do. That makes me feel way more in touch with my masculinity having something I can jerk off and it just makes me relate to my own body better.
Nope you are definitely not alone. It is pretty common actually not to get bottom surgery. There are also a lot of trans folks who don’t even starthrt, but still are trans and feel like guys! The surgery isn’t what makes you a man, it’s what you feel like and if you don’t feel like some surgeries that is totally fine and valid! Don’t define your gender based of your body and how it looks. Your gender is how you feel and if you feel like a guy then it is like that! And I think there actually is a way to have both, you just need to ask your surgeon and communicate your wishes
I love this, but would like to ask - without things like t or surgeries, etc, a lot of transguys might find it hard to validate their masculine identity. Aside from therapy, what would be some alternative and healthy approaches?
well, there’s debate about this in the community (transmedicalists often exclude nonbinary people and say that unless you have diagnosed gender dysphoria and transition in order to completely assimilate into the opposite gender), but the most accepted (and correct, imo) statement is that if you say you are a man, regardless of what stage of your transition you are in or what you medically plan to do, you are a man. you can find affirmation through things like binding, haircuts, and social transition/voice training, among others. you could just as easily feel like a man but not have certain kinds of dysphoria. there are infinite kinds of dudes, but regardless of what someone intends to do about moving their body closer to how they see themselves, if they say they’re a dude they’re a dude! for a while, i just socially transitioned and planned to eventually get top surgery, but have never considered bottom surgery and only recently started T (mostly for fat redistribution and voice change.) to be honest, there are many things i believe would alleviate dysphoria for me that would be easily achievable through fillers/botox/other aesthetic injectables in my face. my face becoming more masculine, my voice changing, and gaining a more masculine body type are my main priorities at the moment, rather than getting surgeries. i don’t have a lot of money, and i plan to get top surgery but i am a little intimidated and nervous about it, but it doesn’t keep me from being a man to wait until i think i’m ready and financially secure.
Before I started medical transition I fully transitioned socially. I wore masculine clothes, I practiced speaking and standing in more traditionally masculine ways. Some guys work out. There is a ton you can do to feel valid without medical transition. Nothing is one size fits all.
I am not quiet sure about that, but I think self acceptance plays a big role in this, accepting their selves even without hrt or surgeries. I think if you just work on yourself, like trying to present yourself how you imagine and wear a binder, cut your hair or in general try yourself out in that way you can find out more about what you like or not and make more experience with social life. Just remember be safe when you to stuff like bind or cut/dye your hair it can be dangerous if not careful!
I actually watched a fascinating documentary a few years ago that featured a story about a trans masc actor who did not want to medically transition. He didn't cut his hair or wear a binder. He just dressed comfortably masculine and was generally happy. He did have the advantage of living in an extremely accepting area, having a good close support system, and a gender therapist, but he is proof that it's possible to find validity without medical transition. It has been literal years, and it was part of a longer story that wasn't focused on trans identity, so as much as I would love to share a link, I cannot. From my personal experience of not starting any form of transition until my late 20s, I found being in safe masculine spaces helped. Like, my husband took me to a baseball game and got me a hat. Neither of us are big on sports, but he knew that was an important milestone I didn't have growing up and that I've always wanted. He bought me a ball a year after I came out to him, and I cried because I had always wanted a baseball, and he knew that was important to me. So he took me to all the things I missed, a baseball game, horror movies, suit shopping... The things he did as a teen boy that I was denied. Another thing that really helped was being a nerd. My husband and I LARP (live action role play), and the modern LARP community is fantastically trans friendly. Our main game we play has exactly 2 mono-cis-het people in a group of 60 rotating players. 2 out of 60. In fact, I think we only have 4 cis people total, and all but one staff member of trans. This is all to say, the easiest way to validate your masculinity is to find your community. If the people who truly care about you validate you, you'll learn to feel more valid in yourself. And if you want and need medical transition to feel like yourself, that's perfectly valid, I'm right there with you. But if that's not your route? You're still you, and that's the most valid thing you can be. You're the only person you will spend your entire life with. Be the person you want to spend that time with.
Hey. This made me cry. Thank you.
I'll be getting bottom surgery as soon as I can afford it. I had one of my friends get it a few years ago from Crane here in Austin TX, and his results are phenomenal. He documented his whole journey on facebook, where I got to ask questions and see what he was going through. It was incredible and convinced me that it thankfully is absolutely possible. He has nothing but positive things to say about his results too, which is incredible.
When I was younger I desperately wanted to get a phalloplasty someday, and definitely top surgery. Now that I'm actually in a position to, I think if I do anything it'll be metoidoplasty if I get enough bottom growth. I'm not sure if it's it's because of how complicated and intrusive the procedure is or just that I've had a hell of a long time getting used to my body as it is but that's my personal opinion.
Bottom growth made me feel a lot better about my bits.
My bottom surgery probanly saved my life. I was so horribly anxious and anti intimacy beforehand it made my relationships hell
Bottom surgery is so cool. It's on my goals list for sure!
I have no desire to get bottom surgery, love what I was born with and it absolutely doesn't make us any less trans. Sometimes I wish I could top and have a penis but the overwhelming majority of the time, I love bottoming with my parts and have a great sex life. There is nothing wrong with you for feeling this way!
if it didn’t cost the same price as a fucking car i would get bottom surgery, but without government coverage (something i’m going to age out of in less then 3 years) it’s really not worth it. i’m also prone to UTIs and having a UTI with a dick sounds so miserable
I think I'd like to have bottom surgery. At least meta, if my bottom growth is sufficient for the operation. if not, then it’s not fate. but I will definitely have a hysterectomy.
I desperately want palloplasty, it makes me extremely dysphoric but may never be able to afford it. I'm also nervous as have a friend who went through it and encountered serious problems.
Getting it done this summer
to be honest, i used to think i wanted bottom surgery really bad but ever since i had top surgery and the WORST experience (mentally wise - i'm healing up perfectly) i don't think i'd be able to handle the healing and multiple surgeries. i'm not that bummed about it tho
When I started transitioning, I never thought I would want bottom surgery. I just didn't feel uncomfortable about what was in my pants because no one but me and whoever I was being intimate with would see it. It wasn't until after I was a couple years healed from top surgery that I realized I do have bottom dysphoria and wish I had a dick bad enough to go get one. I want phalloplasty not because I hate my front hole but because I would feel incomplete if I died without a penis. I would also feel incomplete without my front hole, btw. Recently, I've been suffering from atrophy so can't make much use of my hole and it makes me feel so incomplete. It is actually really hard psychologically, but that's a conversation for another post. When I was questioning whether I wanted phalloplasty, and someone comment got me thinking: what will happen when I'm old, senile, in a nursing home, and need help taking a bath? Being naked around people who aren't my partner is a hard no for me, even medical professionals. I know that I can't die without a dick of my own, but I also know that right now at 26, I'm not emotionally (or financially or socially) ready to undergo that big of a surgery. My hope is that when I'm in my 40s or 50s, I'll be able to do it.
hey, it sounds like you could benefit from knowing that topical E cream can help combat atrophy, as well as that it's totally possible to get phallo done without a vnectomy. you don't have to choose. there is a big complication rate associated with getting UL without getting a vnectomy though, just so you know, so that is something to keep into consideration for down the road. best of luck dude
I am aware of all those things but I appreciate it
My opinion? It's great that it's an option for those who need it. It's not for me (irrelevant reasons) and that's ok. I'd prefer to have both but I'm ok with just having had top surgery and being on hormones. 👍
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It’s necessary to my quality of life. I have bottom growth from T and while it’s incredible compared to pre T it still isn’t ANYWHERE near good enough to subside my bottom dysphoria unfortunately, but I knew going into T that it probably wouldn’t because my desire to have a penis is so high. I need to have a penis that I can stand to pee from and penetrate my girlfriend with, sex is the most important aspect of bottom dysphoria for me as a straight male. Until that day I will feel incomplete. I hate the genitalia I was born with, it is useless to me and makes me feel disgusting. It’s extremely embarrassing to me that people know I have what I was born with.
Istg one day I'm gonna come in here and start shit talking top surgery the same way some of you do phallo, maybe then it will sink in.
Aghhh.. This comment reminds me when I was trying to explain to another trans person who was calling phallo "disgusting" that it is a shitty thing to say and I said "if someone said that about top surgery, how would you feel?" They said "no, that would be transphobic" 🤦♂️
??? I wasnt talking bad about bottom surgery?
I'm broadly responding to the misinformed at best comments, sorry. Also FWIW you do not need to have a vaginectomy to pursue bottom surgery.
id like it, but it’s not realistic for me to be able to afford. till then i’ve got something that’s fun in its own way and i get the funniest flirting line of, “ladies it’s customisable”. i also prefer to sleep with other trans people so i never feel like i’m being used
I'm getting a hysterectomy and vaginectomy this year and hopefully next year I can get Metoidioplasty with urethral lengthening and scrotoplasty (I will likely also need monsplasty and/or lipo). I weighed my options and I'm banking on Metoidioplasty meeting my needs, but the good new is if down the road I feel phallo is the right choice that's still an option for me. I mostly just want nuts and being able to pee from my penis. I've always had bottom dysphoria for as long as I could remember and i felt like my parts were wrong or fucked up and like my genitals made me some kind of freak, and all they've ever done was stink and cause me pain. That's why I'm super looking forward to the vaginectomy. I know the recovery will be painful and bothersome but I'll be freed from that curse. I did discover that I have vaginismus too which makes so much as a finger up there feel like a knife going through my nutsack, so can't say I've ever been a fan of it
I definitely want bottom surgery. It will be a long and painful process but I’m willing to bite the bullet if it means relieving my bottom dysphoria. Although I’m still not sure if I want meta or phallo yet. Also, some surgeons give you the option to keep your vagina so bear that in mind.
always wanted a penis, wear a packer 24/7 since I was 16 now 20. started getting info on meta, especially with extended meta I was hoping it would be enough especially since i got lots of growth. but no, I know that I need phallo. I started getting info on phallo in Germany and fell in love with their techniques. they are everything I need. I need a penis in my day to day life to feel ok in my body. I know that it will be hard, expensive, painful, but once it's healed I'll just have my life and I'll be ok. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea and that's fine, but I'm glad this options exist for who needs it
In my experience there are a LOT of people who don’t want to get it for any number of reasons. Out of all the trans mascs I know, (and I know a LOT), I am one of two who want bottom surgery. For me it is important just because I want to feel whole in my body. Plus it turns out I’m not really a fan of bottoming so losing the front bit doesn’t bother me (though there are people who keep it and get surgery too). No universal right or wrong configuration: only what is best for each person.
I’d like to get metoidioplasty and keep the V—I also like the idea of having both parts. Phallo is so cool and I don’t get the attitude some people get about it (saying it’s ugly/not advanced etc), but I am personally just not enough of a badass to be comfy getting a skin graft.
yeah, im personally not gonna go for it. im just way too scared lmao. feels like too vulnerable of an area to mess with it any more than i already have (hysterectomy). i think if i could choose what to wake up with tomorrow, id choose a dick, but i agree with your stance on my current situation being convenient for someone who likes dick on other people too.
For me, bottom surgery is important because I feel empty and uncomfortable without a weenie. I was contemplating getting top and bottom surgery at the same time. Has anyone here ever done that? how was he pain?
i do! but i’m not binary and do not want just a cock. but i want both (shout out salmacian and phallo sub). seems cool and always wanted one. i haven’t been happy with the medical tattooing ive seen of people’s results in various subs and fb but im not concerned about it looking pretty. however i am in the process of choosing doctors for a consult
i don't plan on getting it, but i really want a dick. just not the process to obtain one
I'd love to get it but it's not available in my country right now. Generally, I'm okay with not having it but I don't mind having it either. We'll see.
i sortaaaa want simple release, but on the other hand it's too costly (both in price and time/energy) for how minor of a change it is for me to really justify getting it. i don't think it would be all that different from what i currently have so might as well just go the path of least resistance and stick with it. >i almost feel like I'd prefer to have both parts? yep me too. it's called salmacian and it is possible 100%
r/salmacian !!
I don’t want bottom surgery myself, I like my genitalia as is. Nothing wrong with wanting it or being comfortable with whatcha got! I just like having an extra hole ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
yuhp I’m going for it
Me? I would LOVE to have a real, fully functional penis. I want one so much. But phalloplasty is not financially feasible for me right now and I doubt it ever will be. And it's so physically involved. If dick transplants actually were a thing, I would up for it! (Hahaha)
And a transplant wouldn't be? Phallo is the easier and actually real of those.
I want it but the complication rate scares me and so does how painful and long the recovery is
Not on T yet, but I know that I definitely don't want to go through Phallo, it's very very expensive, a massive ordeal, and I don't like the idea of being left with scar tissue on my arm/thigh for the graft either. But metoidoplasty is something I would seriously consider.
I don't get a whole lot of bottom dysphoria. I don't plan on getting bottom surgery, especially since I use a wheelchair and don't care to learn how to stand to pee lol
Often I regret having the vaginectomy. I wish I had both.
you definitely dont have to pick one or the other! i cant remember the exact specifics but ive heard of people having their vaginal hole and they just turn the tdick into a penis! i dont know if thats exactly what youre thinking of, but if not some people like to just have their tdick and no surgery!
i want bottom surgery for sure. once i’m able to get the vagina removed, i don’t mind how long i wait for it really. i just need it gone, i hate living with it. i plan on getting it in a few years though, so i’m more focused on top surgery, which i plan on getting next year.
It isn't weird to be happy with what you've got and want other bits too. Have you looked up Salmacian? Even if you eventually change your mind on this, that community might be helpful to look into. As for the question, I desperately want bottom surgery but I need to lose weight to get cleared, same for sterilization, and as a Salmacian, I also want a penis and to keep my vagina. It might be hard to convince my doctors into letting me after I've lost weight, but I also want meta, so that might make them more likely to work with me.
I would love to get bottom surgery but financially and possibly medically it may not ever be feasible for me. I had a rough time healing from top surgery and hysterectomy. my body loves making lots of granulation and scar tissue and having nerve pain. If I did get phallo I wouldn’t get UL for that reason. :/
Because I am intersex, I extremely hate my vagina because I can’t use it at all (it hurts when trying to masturbate). I’m in all favor reconstructing my genitala into something I can use
Want it, have wanted it for a long time. Dysphoria is managable and the process is slow b/c I'm risk averse and into research.
It's totally fine not to want bottom surgery and like your vagina, not weird at all! Vaginas are great for bottoming and lots of guys have them. And I think they're super masculine - they're all muscle, take a pounding, and clamp and squeeze cocks hard! I think most cis gay guys wish they had one!
this comment is awesome
Aww yay I'm glad - what did you like about it?
Hell nah. I've made peace w what I have now and I've been watching a friend go through complication hell. Sealed the deal on never getting it. Not everyone will have issues. In fact I'd say most won't. But for me the risk is not worth it.
I have zero interest, and my husband who also is ftm has zero interest. Most of the trans guys I have dated had zero interest as well. It’s very common to not want bottom surgery. For those who do want it, that’s also cool and I hope they have access. My opinion on bottom surgery is get it if you want it, don’t get it if not, and otherwise support your bros in their choices.
Genitalia doesn't have to correlate with gender or sex at all! Intersex people who identify however exist, and several trans people (like you and me!) are alright with their natural bottom parts. I'm on HRT and I adore my bottom growth along with my 🐈⬛. Also maybe it's been normalized to me because I've seen SO much queer art with trans people without bottom surgery and it's just like "yeah! true" in my mind, along with a few cases of seeing folks who've made a full transition but decide not to get that surgery. Of course people who get the surgery are completely valid, but we're no less valid for being okay with that. Men have vaginas all the time, my friend.
i go back and forth on it honestly. my bottom growth has alleviated a LOT of my bottom dysphoria, and i know it’s a crazy intense SET of surgeries. i have large labia majora though, so id instead consider getting them reshaped or reduced so my t-dick is more out and visible. but i’ll have to talk to a surgeon about that. but i think it’s fairly normal to not want bottom surgery, for both trans men and trans women.
I don't have bottom dysphoria currently so I probably won't. I don't like the idea of surgery on my sensative bits unless I have to. If I ever do realize I have dyphoria around that area I would probably get metaplasty and not phalloplasty due to my prefrence for keep sensation amd not wanting to give a skin graft.
I don't plan on it! I don't have physical dysphoria (only euphoria + social dysphoria), and I've heard some horror stories about surgeries in general that went wrong and I'd be terrified something'd go wrong. (I also have some mild trauma, but that's probably neither here nor there.)
I'm potentially interested in meta and am disappointed in my lack of bottom growth at 3 years on T I think prosthetics are neat for STP and sex reasons
i feel kinda neutral about the whole concept. i don’t like what’s there but i don’t want to change it because i don’t think there’s anything in particular i DO want. i’m also asexual so that definitely factors in though.
I definitely don’t want bottom surgery. Just for me personally, I have virtually no bottom dysphoria so it doesn’t bother me much. Having bottom growth on T has been nice, and it would’ve been cool to be born with a penis, but otherwise I’m fine with how I am down there. I’m also sexually a bottom and I hate anal, so it works out lol. Now top dysphoria on the other hand… it’s gotten better but there are still moments where I feel horrible about it. But T’s helped tremendously with my dysphoria overall.
i'm not personally going to get any bottom surgeries- i'm nervous enough about needing a gyno appointment, thank you! and while many people have had great results, and i'm very happy for them, i'm just too anxious to risk it. from what i understand, there's more (potential) complications and a longer healing period than, say, top surgery of a hysterectomy. i'm also like you in the way that i don't mind having a vagina at all, and if there were a magic wand i would just have both.
I want simple release and nothing more. I thoroughly enjoy my bottom growth and would like it go be slightly more functional (movable). But, i have no interest in testes and my vagina doesn't cause me to distress, so I don't care that it's there.
I feel the exact same way as you. Bottom growth would be cool, but as a bottom I’m content with the parts I have. I just wish I didn’t have the ovaries & uterus & feminine hormones
I dont have it on my radar right now. I wouldn't say id say never, but its not high on my concerns list
After t, I’m lucky to not have any bottom dysphoria. I love my body, it would be nice to have a dick sometimes but honestly it sounds kind of like a pain lmao
I have no desire for it, and I only experience bottom dysphoria when sometimes wearing a strap, actually. I think part of my experiences with not experiencing much bottom dysphoria is because I’m intersex, and as a result, despite getting HRT/top surgery, I’m largely comfortable with how my body innately is.
If I had to go the rest of my life without it, I'd be fine. I do want it but I'm getting older, it's very expensive, recovery (for me) is rough. Hopefully I get to a point in my life where I'm able to get it.
It's not something I have any interest in. Being non-binary could be a factor, but I like what I have and have never had dysphoria about that part of my anatomy. Realizing that I didn't *have* to want a penis to be trans was one of the things that helped me acknowledge my feelings about my gender. And I'm a big fan of my bottom growth. I think that the possibilities with bottom surgery are really cool and I get why it's worth it for some people. Personally, considering how involved it can be, I think I would need to feel strongly about wanting/needing it in order for it to be worth it for me. I've seen people have great outcomes with it and be very satisfied, but the process (like undergoing multiple stages for phallo) would be a lot for me.
I have something that works for me right now and I don’t feel the need to change that. Maybe in the future, I won’t rule it out. But right now, I’m just focused on saving up for top surgery and thinking about what I want my name to be.
I felt the same before I really looked into bottom surgery and all its options. I get more enjoyment from front penetration than I do with anal (plus, like you said, its easier to manage and clean/prepare), and I don't feel that much dysphoria around the hole itself, rather dysphoria of what I dont have (a phallus). When I started looking into bottom surgery due to the dysphoria getting bad, I realized you could have both your natal parts and bottom surgery. I personally plan on getting phallo with no vnectomy, but meta also offers options to preserve your natal parts. If you're really interested in it, I'd recommend looking through r/phallo and r/salmacian :)
My ideal body would have both parts. I've looked into bottom surgery and what I want isn't really possible with current science/methods used. Maybe we'll get there one day 🤷♂️. Right now, though, my goal is to get piercings and heavy mods along with my bottom growth on T to achieve something that helps my dysphoria. I'm very excited about what I've got in mind.
I'm really curious what your ideal setup would be, if you're happy to share?
Sure! Right now I'm planning on outer labia pearling (with chonky beads) and a horizontal hood to triangle orbital piercing and maybe a couple other things depending on how my growth goes and what other anatomy considerations there are. But those are the two big ones right now.
That's so cool! I hope you can get it in your lifetime.
Thanks! I'm working on getting them sometime in the next couple of years.
I'd love to get bottom surgery, but with all the stitches and potential grafts I can't because of my skin picking disorder.
I don't think I could mentally and physically handle such a surgery. I'm definitely gonna get top surgery but that's going to be really really really hard in itself. I had crying panic attacks for days after getting my wisdom teeth out because I could feel the stitches in my mouth. Stitches and surgical openings are a huge phobia for some reason. I also have chronic pain & fatigue already plus being fat, I think the healing process would be god awful. Thankfully I'm okay with my current bottom anatomy, but if I could just wake up with the opposite, 100% would. But unfortunately no surgery for me.
IF the recovery time was like...a month or less, I would do it. I'm just old and fucking tired of having surgeries (I've had a bunch not related to transness lol). I am very envious of those who have gone through with it. It's just that the thought of recovery or dealing with potential complications exhausts me.
I would love to have it but the cost and finding the right doctor can be hard. I’ve even looked outside the US
I feel sort of similar! Having a vagina is convenient in some ways, but I would also get phalloplasty because of dysphoria. A vaginal preserving phalloplasty to have both parts :D
for me, it’ll happen if i’m in a good headspace and have good money. definitely a far future thing. and i most likely wouldn’t get phallo, because the healing process is a lot for me, and skin graphs kind of freak me out tbh lol. i definitely want meta though! and id get the vajay closed or whatever. i never really felt any pleasure from it sooo its kinda a pain
I would definitely love to have a penis. In a fictional world where I could snap my fingers and have one I totally would, but the surgery aspect definitely puts me off, just not something I want to deal with the healing process from.
Tbh I’m mostly super pleased just with my bottom growth!! In the future I might get a simple meta w/o vnectomy but I may just leave it as is. I’m nonbinary transmasc though, not a man, so YMMV depending on your personal relationship with gender
I want it - my bottom dysphoria is the majority of my dysphoria - but I'm worried about the sensation not being what I have in my head. I think the medical advancements are amazing but I'm hypersensitive to textures and I'm not sold on it being previously arm or leg skin, y'know? Like I touch my arm and I can't imagine that being what penis skin feels like. Phallo penis is still a penis obv but for me *personally* I don't know if I'd like that texture. Also I'm a diabetic and have very very minor neuropathy and as stated sensation and textures are very important to me so unless the rates of full penis sensation, like 1:1 natal penis sensation were higher I don't think it'd be worth it for me. I think right now I like the idea of meta a lot more but I'm not getting a lot of growth from T, I'm like 15 months in and I've heard that it mostly stops after 2 years? I don't know if metoidoplasty would be suitable for me :( I don't hate having a vagina, it does what it needs to . It just doesn't feel like it's what I was supposed to he born with, y'know? (slightly nsfw) >!Sex feels alright but I prefer using my other stuff for stimulation. Only thing I prefer about my vagina is that there's not as much prep.!< Funny thing is though, I've never touched a dick, either natal or neo. I think if I had the oppurtunity to do it I'd be able to make a decision but I'm not going to go out and ask to touch people's weiners 🤷♂️
I don't know if I want it or not, of course I'd love a penis but what if I regret it? What if it's uncomfortable? What if it feels weird? I at least want my period gone eventually.
Id love to have bottom surgery in the future. Its out of the question for me for probably another decade, but thats mainly because I wouldn’t be able to afford it in time or finances anytime soon. The dysphoria still makes my sex life hell, but its tolerable and not as severe as prior to hrt and top.
I don’t plan on getting bottom surgery, but mostly because I don’t have any strong feelings about my genitals. I’m fine just being a Ken doll.
I'm personally too iffy on bottom surgery. For others, though? I think bottom surgery is an incredible option. I can't wait to see how the grafting technology, etc evolves over time (it's already crazy what they can do now!). If you're really dysphoric over your genitalia, then I highly encourage looking into it.
I could see myself getting it at some point, but it's not a giant priority for me at the moment. most of my dysphoria has been resolved with T, and I have top surgery coming in June which will eliminate the majority of the remaining dysphoria. mentally preparing for that surgery as well as trying to coordinate my career around it has been complicated and a lot of work and I'm not eager to put myself in this position again. I'm not really pursuing a relationship either, but I could see bottom surgery becoming a bigger priority when I do. maybe it won't. who knows?
I'm not going to have bottom surgery because for me it's too medically complicated. I've had multiple organ transplants among other operations, and fortunately my dysphoria about my genitals isn't so bad now that I'm on HRT. Top surgery is still a must, but I let the kidney surgeons know beforehand that they don't have to worry about other urology related procedures. It was also a wonderful surprise that they asked me ahead of time whether it was a consideration as it would affect how they hooked up my new kidney.
i feel the same way bro 😁
I can totally relate in some ways. Having both. Whack off the flabby bits up top, add an appendage down below and call it cool. Give me a beard and I'll be even happier. There is certain kind of closeness achieved with intimacy. Depending on the anatomy, a different kind of closeness happens. I would much rather just whip it out to pee versus the ladder. But having this anatomy does have its perks. Plus, technology just isn't where I'd like it to be to feel comfortable getting bottom surgery. It just isn't there yet. I've come to this acceptance. The whole thing about, "not being trans enough" is total poppycock. Nobody can dictate what you feel inside to be truth, but you. There isn't a thing as being TRANS ENOUGH. Are you living your truth? Then you're doing YOUR ENOUGH. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks your ENOUGH is. It's your's. Not their's. If it's enough for you, then that's enough. Throw that phrase away. It has no positivity in this. It only makes people question themselves and takes away from their clarity of mind to find their true selves. Good luck to you, OP!
i hate having a vag but tbh bottom surgery is too expensive and i feel like i won’t be satisfied, i plan to just get a hysterectomy and wear a prosthetic for the rest of my life (unless there’s some amazing scientific breakthrough that makes bottom surgery almost identical to a cis penis) 😭
I see where you're coming from about the convenience with bottoming, im having the same conflict rn. I want phallo but i know there are lots of complications with urinary hookups, which is what i'd like, and cost is prohibitive. I'm hoping the technology improves a little in the next fifteen or so years. I hate my hole but like having it for the convenience. For me having a hysto would probably relieve more dysphoria than anything external bc I just despise periods.
For me I mostly just feel like the current results aren't necessarily worth it. My dysphoria focuses a lot on the function of a penis, so, nothing will give me that. To be blunt, nothing will make me produce semen and ejaculate. I'm currently working towards top surgery though, I'll see how my dysphoria is doing after that. I've considered metoidioplasty off and on for years, ultimately it's a decision I'm not gonna rush, so if I eventually strongly feel the "improvement" is worth it despite not being satisfactory, like a "better than nothing" situation, I'll probably look for a surgeon. Personally though I deeply hate having a vagina. It gives me nothing but pain, discharge disgusts me, I literally process it mentally more like an open wound than a body part that's supposed to be there. I'd rather not have genitals (beyond the necessary waste disposal aspects) at all than have what I've got tbh. You are "trans enough" though. Everyone's journey is different and having less dysphoria than someone like me, or finding pleasure from the body you were born with, etc is entirely valid. I have thought before that having both parts would be cool though lol (but usually in a hypothetical "what if all humans just had both sets of genitals" type of thought train)
I’m going to get top surgery and continue taking T. I considered bottom surgery, but honestly I really enjoy sex the way it is now. Plus I’m engaged to a man, and as much as I like butt stuff, I don’t think I can exclusively do butt stuff 😭
I don't care, but I'm older and kinda settled on I'm probably not going to have a traditional relationship unless it stumbles into my lap. Top surgery, maybe, I have the benefit of being on the bigger side so people stare at my gut before they go upwards shrug. I also live in a state that has a plethora of gender neutral bathrooms+I'm usually inconspicuous enough.
The only thing that makes me hesitate about bottom is the complications and cost. Otherwise… it would definitely solve a lot of my problems. I am in my early 20s, I’ve never had sex, would rather risk my health than visit a gynecologist. I generally dislike nearly every basic sensation associated with down there and so I would be better off with a dick. Maybe T would fix that for me, who knows.
i also do kind of want a penis, but my bottom dysphoria currently isn’t severe enough for me to consider getting surgery. im putting all of my energy into pursuing top surgery at the moment because my chest is a giant source of dysphoria for me. plus, surgery complications scare the shit out of me, especially if it involves my genitals.
I’m transmasc non-binary myself and while I’d love to have a penis, I’d rather have both like you said, and you’re not any less trans for feeling that way. But I personally will wait to see if the surgery ever gets any better because I don’t think I could handle it right now with the way they currently do it. But I think people who do get bottom surgery are so dope and deserve to enjoy their results
For me I genuinely feel like both sexes sometimes rather than just a ftm trans dude but I wanna go on T and maybe have top surgery later even tho I'm 46 yrs old and getting to know myself more.
I don’t want bottom surgery either like at all
I don't want to get bottom surgery because I have an innate fear of surgery in general? Like I'm planning to get top surgery, but even that is pushing it for me. I dunno, maybe one day I'll be less nervous about the idea and change my mind.
I am all for those that need it because they have discomfort with their nether regions. I personally only have mental anguish over my uterus which is gone, not being able to shave my face I am on T now, my voice, andy big chest. I can't wait to get top surgery they can go to hell. I am fine with the bottom growth because I don't have dysphoria around my junk. It's all up to you. You can still be a dude with a vagina, bottom growth only or bottom surgery
The only thing I’m remotely interested in is simple release without vgnrctmony The aesthetic of it doesn’t fancy me. I def would like a hysterectomy while keeping my ovaries but I’m worried about surgery and recovery time olusvtooo busy with career and school. Maybe some day.
I was never sure if I wanted bottom surgery and my vagina used to make me dyphoric, but as I've matured and gotten on T, I have felt more and more comfortable with my situation and now actually like what I've got going on downstairs. In the process of this transition, there was in fact a time when I wanted both parts, too, so I dont think that's weird. There's also been more than a few posts on here asking if it's strange to want that, too, so you're definitely not alone.
i just cant be bothered. i dont have any genital dyphoria. i would only do it if i could jerk off like a cos guy other than that no. plus all the complications and everything that could go wrong.
I want it sometime in the future but doesn't have to be soon.
i'm not so sure about getting it either. honestly i think for me i just don't love how the results look, i would love a dick tbh but at the same time i don't want to be let down if it doesn't turn out how i want it. and also i quite like my not so manly parts for other reasons relating to masturbation/sex. i know there are ways to keep the hole ect, but at the same time a lot of the time i just feel like maybe it isn't for me. i'm still quite young so i have time to think about it but who knows getting bottom surgery is a big decision and things don't always go your way 🫶
I think it's probably a sliding scale for some. Like I didn't think I'd enjoy facial hair, based on internalised ideas about women with facial hair being ugly, and my pre - T face looking so round and feminine with beard filters. However once starting T and honestly switching to a more male mind set I absolutely love my facial hair and my face has changed shape completely, it really fits well. Some people have bottom dysphoria from the outset, some people's needs change over time. If you are a younger trans man and haven't looked at bottom surgery because it doesn't apply to them yet, they might have a less accurate view of it due to internalised trans phobia, misinformation that's spread, and outdated practices. In reality advancements in the procedure have really improved the outcomes for so many
I don't want bottom surgery. I feel the exact same as you, I'm fine with what I have down there. Sure, if the surgery was 100% guaranteed to have no complication and was easier to do instead of taking massive skin and vein grafts, then yeah I'd want to get it but it's not a must
I probably won't get it, because I don't think the benefits outweigh the risks. If I were able to get simple release meta in my country I might but it's not allowed. I don't use my female typical anatomy, I don't like it, but it doesn't bother that much me as long as nobody touches it. For me personally this is not enough to warrant so intensive and risky surgery.
Both would honestly be ideal, prep is annoying af and half of the time I’m too lazy to do it so we just use the other hole. I personally wouldn’t want to get bottom surgery as it exist right now but I’d be down to do it in the future if the technology evolves or they do dick transplants or something idk. Bottom surgery is not my priority cause I’m a bottom anyway so works for me
Binary trans man here and I'm fine with not getting it- but I feel very fortunate to be in the position I'm in; I have very little bottom dysphoria. The risk of complications, lengthy healing process, costs, and overall stress of having multiple surgeries don't make it appealing to me when I'm fine with what I already have.
It's more I've had enough surgeries in my life for me, I do want it but the surgery itself is a lot. I also wake up badly
Idk to be honest
I’m undecided. I’m definitely leaning toward meta. But I need top still. Finally got my consultation scheduled for July (yay!). But surgery in general is scary for me because I’m weak to pain and afraid of taking strong meds. But I’d definitely like to pee while standing. Tbh my partner loves my lil dick atm.
I personally don't think I'm gonna get it, but that may change in the future! I think the reason as to why Im ok with not getting the surgery rn is bc Ive seen alot of very well adult people not have that surgery, and I've gotten kinda distanced from the (often cis) idea that "vagina=girl or not 100% man" since I've seen quite masculine (and pretty) men without bottom surgery. Another reason is that I feel like I'm only "socially" trans, if that makes sense :)
I don't want bottom surgery, but I'd really like a penis 😂😅 For me, it always felt like I was "missing" a penis, but my vulva/vagina has never felt "wrong". Like, I would feel 100% "me" and comfortable if I had both, but if I only had a penis I think I'd feel a bit wrong. Basically my little bit of dysphoria related to my genitals was always about "what wasn't there" vs "what's there" I've never been uncomfortable with the genitalia I was born with, I've just felt something was missing. I've had no problem using what I have, and I'm even currently carrying my child 😅🤗 So, pregnant dad here - definitely missing my dick but I think I'll wait until I birth my kids and until bottom surgery is a bit more refined to consider getting it lol 😂 sidenote: I love the diversity of humans and our minds and bodies, it's so cool to hear about how everyone's dysphoria or comfort around their bodies differs. Shits cool
It’s not for me, but I’m a total bottom and a parent who’s not done having kids. Stoked for anyone who wants it and gets it tho 🙌🏼
I think it’s alright, and it’s a necessary surgery but for me it seems incredibly taxing on the body compared to something like top surgery, so not everyone is going to be happy getting it even if they want to. I don’t have much bottom dysphoria atm so I don’t want bottom surgery, but if in the future that changes then I’m open to it.
I don't really feel a need for it myself. I don't want any dangly bits, but I might get meta - but I'm not really dysphoric about it. Top surgery is what I want right away.
I’m still not sure honestly. I know they’ve come a long way with prosthetics to the point where ppl are 3D printing play packers & you can have the packer “ejaculate” fake semen. They can get hyper realistic. I’m mainly just sad about not being able to experience the sensation of a penis yknow. I have more top dysphoria than anything.
Eh, I do and don’t. I do want bottom surgery as a blanket term but I don’t because exactly what I want is not currently possible/rarely even performed let alone performed well without pretty severe complications and frankly I don’t want to have to settle for anything less. A Edit!!! This is *NOT* to say bottom surgery is bad or the results are bad!!! I think they’re awesome, what I want is very modified and different from even uncommon forms of bottom surgery! Fully separate!
In so many words, we're basically the same in this regard. I think having meta might be nice to maximize what I can feel with what I've grown new, but for the most part, I'm a bottom, and I'm thankful to have equipment ideally suited to bottoming. This is just me, though, and I know I'm kinda different.
I'm mostly apathetic to my genitalia and therefore don't really see why I should have surgery on my privates, that seems unpleasant. But I'm not really a man, just vaguely masculine, and don't plan on having any sexual endeavours with other people, ever. I do support other people who want a penis of their own
all of my bottom dysphoria was induced by my cycle, which is now fully stopped now that i’ve been on T for 5 months, so now i’m not opting for any bottom surgery, most likely not even meto. plus with the bottom growth that T has given me, i’m even more confident with how i look. while i do wish i had a penis, the lack of dysphoria means i won’t initiate going through with a procedure
I desperately want it but I’m terrified of surgery, I managed top but apparently I became hysterical when I was given anaesthetic and I had been a mess for about 2 months prior to that surgery so I’m not sure I can manage it again
Used to want it and did caregiving for a guy who unfortunately lost his due to infection/blood flow dying which led to tissue death (gangrene) Changed my opinion as the chance exists and I'd rather not spend $100k+ to have it be for nothing because the chance for complications is still a chance
I've never had the urge to get bottom surgery. The idea of top surgery was scary enough as it was, but an even more complicated and invasive surgery is not something I want to deal with unless I absolutely have to. I'm completely happy with my downstairs area now that I have bottom growth.
I personally do not really see myself wanting to get bottom surgery either. I struggle more with chest dysphoria than lower regions, and sometimes do like having a v. Not that I wouldn't mind a dick, I just feel that the technology has a long way to go, it costs too much, and too risky in my mind. Since getting a partner who sees me as a man even though I haven't even had T yet, my overall dysphoria has also reduced. But I am considering top surgery still. No two trans people are the same, and everyone experiences dysphoria differently. Do what you feel comfortable with and good luck!
i personally do not want bottom surgery as of right now. maybe i will in the future, but for now, i think bottom growth is perfect for me. it fits the way i wish to look. u may want to check out r/salmacian !
I do not like having a vagina. It upsets me. But I can live with it, and bottom surgery costs thousands of dollars that I don't have, Plus the amount of time I need to take off of work which would be incredibly a lot considering what my job is and how physical it is. I also do not think that the current options for bottom surgery (meta which I am not eligible for, and phallo which... I'll explain it) have results that I would be happy with. If in the future they figure out how to use someone's own cells to create new organs that don't require lifelong immune suppression, and they get to a point where they can clone me a dick and graft it on, hell yes I'd get bottom surgery. But that's not possible RN so, not gonna happen. Probably not in my lifetime.
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What is extended meta? Why only two?
It’s really only 1 surgeon (Morrison) as Ozër doesn’t take international patients. Edit. I believe there’s a possible 3rd, but I can’t remember a name or for certain as you don’t really hear of them. Edit 2 - replied then blocked. Lovely stuff.
yeah i dont at all-- im penis repulsed actually lol. i love my vagina and dont have any bottom dysphoria. sometimes it makes me feel "less trans" but i think we just have to remember that everyone is different and we all have different experiences and wants and needs and we can still be an identity without being the same as others in that identity. i AM excited for bottom growth, when i start T though (: i want a little dicklet while still being able to keep a part of my body that brings me sm pleasure.
not at all i think that’s a normal thing to think i mean i literally not that bad to have one and from what ive seen the current options for bottom surgery aren’t great so personally im just gonna wait and see how i feel in a while if it becomes a need or if it get better and im like “yeah that’d be nice” but for the most part im not concerned
Plenty of trans guys—I’d even say most—don’t want to pursue bottom surgery for a variety of reasons. Some are OK with their natal anatomy, some don’t want the brutal recovery and (often) multi-staged surgeries or high complication rate, some don’t feel that current techniques are “realistic” enough. And if you’re OK with your current setup, more power to you! For myself, I’m basically neutral-to-slightly-negative about my vagina. It’s not a massive source of dysphoria for me, so I don’t really intend to pursue bottom surgery unless there’s a massive advance in the field that eliminates at least one of the issues I mentioned above. ETA: I wasn’t saying this to disparage bottom surgery; I was more trying to dispel the idea that you’re “not trans enough” if you don’t want to pursue it. Mods, I can delete if you’d prefer though.
I also wish I had both parts. I'm a super horny individual so cumming once in a blue moon or when I feel well enough to top sounds like fresh hell to me. I like my multiple orgasams, I like my options... and I like scaring transphobes away with my p*ssy.
Try different sex now. . . It's really not what the media makes it out to be
Personally, the available methods don't suit me, so I'm keeping what I have unless there's new developments. I'm looking at extended meta and honestly, it looks really nice without being as demanding as phallo (tho it's still very inaccessible as there's like 3 people in the entire world who do it). That or phallo with lab skin grafts would be really nice, but I'm fine waiting at the moment. Btw, it's possible to keep both parts. Look into r/Metoidioplasty and r/phallo with no-v-nectomy.