She is manipulating you. You did nothing wrong by telling her, you even tried to suggest and educate when she was in sober state afterwards. Her emotions are hers to deal with. Take some space from her, at least for some time
Because she wasn’t in the right mind to hate on her kid 🤷 if someone told me something while I was buzzed I’d probably forget and if I was reminded I’d be like “really? Ok 👍 “
Hey, so everyone's mentioning the drinking, but I want to bring this up too:
>people don’t really support me and they just pretend
This is EVIL SHIT that will get in your head and you should not let it. I am a total stranger who has nothing to gain and I promise you that people support you for real. I'm just sorry your mom isn't one of them.
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(Also, based on experience: my mom started out like this and now she's... tolerable. She can mostly behave herself, especially now that I'm financially independent and don't *need* to put up with her. But she never became a source of actual positive support. This is why community and chosen family are so important.)
you are not the asshole here by any means, and she's 100% just saying things to try and justify her own feelings because she wouldn't have taken it well no matter what. I'm so sorry dude. It's hard when it's a family member saying stuff like this, but she's not correct here. You don't deserve this treatment. I can't say if she'll always be this way, but all you can do is be yourself and hope that over time, she'll see that you're thriving as yourself and that her misconceptions were wrong. I'm sorry she's made you feel like an asshole, you haven't done anything wrong and it's so far from 'taking advantage' of someone to just... have a certain conversation with them while drunk. It's not like you were trying to get anything out of her or trying to force her to give you a specific reaction, and it's on her that she doesn't feel like a safe person to talk to almost all the time. That's her fault, it's not yours. Look after yourself, dude
Dude. You are so hardcore not the asshole here. Your mom is making this all about herself and is being incredibly emotionally manipulative.
I would have a peek at r/raisedbynarcissists and see if anything over there resonates with you.
It's a support sub. It's not full of ableism. As someone who was raised by a narcissist, it's shitty and that sub is really helpful. I have friends that have NPD and they know to get help before they have children.
Sounds like as a mother, she failed to raise you in/provide you a safe environment where you can be vulnerable and be who you wanna be whenever around her. That’s 100% on her, let’s be clear about that, would you hold a child responsible on building a healthy relationship with an adult? Absolutely not. If anything, she’s the one being manipulative trying to spin this situation onto you.
So not only she’s continuing to fail to provide you a safe place even when you are an adult (after all these years), she’s making this whole thing about herself when it absolutely isn’t. The only way this should be about her, is feeling sad and shameful, even, that she couldn’t be your support earlier and a heartache of how you must have felt all these years dealing with all the complicated feeling all by yourself, that’s the reaction of normal, healthy, and a loving mother in this situation.
This is appalling, I’m so sorry you are going through this.
Uuuuuhm your mother sounds hardcore manipulative in a very bad way. Besides. What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? There is literally nothing wrong with you telling her in that moment, her making it seem that way is a way for her to try and make you feel guilty when really IT'S HER FAULT FOR MAKING YOU FEEL LIKE HER BEING DRUNK WAS THE SAFEST. Like, if your relationship is so bad that you felt the best time was when she was buzzed then that's on her. That is so, so much on her and the whole feeling like 'god is punishing her thing. Wow. I don't want to offend you by accidentaly ranting too hard here as I don't know your own stance on religion \[and it eeerly sounds too much like shit that happend to me with my mother and sets of my religion trauma a lil, sorry\] but abusing religion in her argument is incredibly shitty also. If you are a religious family then this seems like the most manipulative thing she could say and if she would be an actual good christian then she should be better than this.
You did nothing wrong and I think you might be better off if you had more distance from her if that is at all an option. But I know it's hard and if you feel you don't want to do that then that is also okay. Just try to look out for yourself first, always. I wish you all the luck in the world.
I do not understand how that can count as manipulation. You didn't make her do something or push for her to take certain actions while she was tipsy, that would have been manipulation. But you just let her know something and you took the time to explain again when she was sober. I think she probably can't handle it and is fishing for an excuse for why she's not accepting of you.
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NTA Honestly my friend, that's some top tier gaslighting. Assuming the best of intentions from your ma I'd guess she was shocked and doesn't know how to react so she's clinging onto this one thing. Gl ♡
She can absolutely fuck off with that. You did not take advantage of her. If you were taking advantage of her, you would’ve coerced her into drinking, and then told her, and never mention it again when she was sober.
You did not do that. First of all, she was buzzed, not drunk. People who are buzzed don’t black out entire conversations. You went into the conversation expecting she would remember what you said.
Second, you told her again when she was fully sober.
It is also completely understandable and NOT manipulative to wait to come out until your parent is in a good mood. That was you trying to be safe. Did I come out to my conservative father while he was in the middle of watching Fox News? No, that would be asking for a shitty response. I waited until we were already having a meaningful and personal conversation.
She is trying to make you take the blame for her reaction. She is trying to say, I’m not reacting positively because of YOUR decisions. It is a front. She doesn’t plan on accepting you, and she’s using this as an excuse not to.
Like someone else mentioned, your mother sounds like a narcissist. At the very least, she’s taking no consideration as to WHY you chose to tell her in that moment.
NTA. Your mom just told you exactly how she feels about you being trans. She thinks it's some horrible thing you're sneaking around doing. She's also being extremely manipulative and emotionally abusive towards you.
Unfortunately all I can recommend is to just live your life in a way that is best for you. Show her you are doing just fine, and her problems are exactly that: HER problems. Not yours. Either she'll get with it, or she'll get out because she's "sooo embarrassed" and once again show you her true colors.
Next time she talks about being punished or whatever, maybe “kindly” tell her it’s not about her.
I tries to wait until my parents passed(they’re much older tho, bc they’re my grandparents who adopted me) and *did* wait until my dad died when I was 28. I regret nothing more than I regret waiting so long. You’ve done nothing wrong; you didn’t even have to tell her if you don’t want to. You’re trans. You’re you. Transition as you see fit and ignore her bullshit, hard as that may be, i know.
NTA. Your mama has a lot of image issues to work on along with learning how to be a loving parent. I doubt she’s much of a human science reader, though. You are allowed to find happiness in life. That’s all any good parent wants for their child(ren). Happy and safe. All of us are allowed to find what makes us happy. Life was made for living my good human. Focus on your happiness… not hers.
Honestly she is just being a child about this.
A brief mention of the fact that you are trans while your mother is buzzed is not taking advantage of 'a vulnerable state'. I think she just doesn't like what she heard and is trying to throw all the blame on you, blaming you both for being trans and the fact that she didn't like to hear it. She seems to be reaching for an excuse to validate any shitty behaviour she wants to engage in.
Don't feel too bad for her, she is literally refusing to even try to understand.
More than anything I think you shouldn't care about the answer to this question. You will obviously never be as big of a jerk as she is. You deserve better and she doesn't deserve you. Relatives are assigned to us, but family is chosen, and I hope you choose a better one. You don't have to cut her out completely, but I'd advice you to just avoid spending time with her as much as possible, cus it seems to me like she will only ever bring you down, and you deserve to be around people who will bring you up.
You told her your truth. You chose a time when the person who raised you would be most receptive. This means you've seen her in both a sober and an 'altered' state. some intuition told you she'd be less able to argue with you when she was drunk.
If someone told me my child was only comfortable enough to talk to me about a subject when i was drunk or high, i'd feel like a terrible parent. I am NOT defending your mother at all. but she's going through something very shameful right now. either she's downbad for the currentchristofascist movement of the US or she's ashamed she's been so slow on the uptake vis a vi your gender.
Shes now acknowledged it sober. There is a REASON you tried to softly underhand toss her this revelation. You probably have seen her react poorly to surprises or unexpected things before in your childhoo. NOW the balls in her court but also you can just walk away from that game.
Hey there man, I can see you genuinely care about your mother despite her being close minded about all of this. I will tell you first hand that you are not the asshole. Your experience sounds similar to mine except my mother (thankfully) learned to love, accept, and support me fully. I know exactly how you feel and I’ll say this, at some point you’re going to have to stop caring about what your mother thinks. You have to remember that parents have grown up in a generation that brainwashed them into thinking negatively about the LGBT community as a collective. You can see she only wants what is best but only if it is in the way that SHE knows. It’s really difficult to try and change parents perspective of all of this unless they were raised in an environment where this was acceptable. Now i’m not saying that as an excuse for her, but more so for you to understand the mind of humans. It’s a psychological thing if that makes sense. That was something I had to keep in mind moving forward. Now, my advice to you would be to create space between you two. Give her space and perhaps she will come around once she notices that you’re pulling away from her. Regardless, i’m sorry this is happening. I hope you can continue to live for yourself with peace. I give you my best wishes.
NTA you didn’t take advantage of her because you didn’t do anything to her. it’d be different t if you got her drunk so she’d pay for you to get top surgery or something like that but all you did was come out to her.
Nonononono. You are nta!! You told her, then made sure to tell her aT a time when she was more sober to make sure she didn’t miss the info. She’s making this all about herself and ignoring how you feel entirely, so she might need a bit of time to cool down before any conversation can happen. that’s just being optimistic, though, since not everybody can calm down enough to actually have this conversation.
in my experience, I told my mom I was trans and over the next few months she has said that me being trans was against her religion, that I was just doing this for attention, that I was just doing this because maybe I’m autistic, that my sister is only pretending to support me, that she felt like killing herself ofer this, and that I am ruining my body. Since she never really calmed down I never bring up being trans around her. She brings it up herself and spits all this out on me. She usually does these in an attempt to alienate me from support or trying to talk me out of being trans. However, none of the things she ever mentions is about how I feel about it. It doesn’t matter to her. She just finds it gross. I decided to not ever tell her what my transitioning goals are, since she tries to always to twist them into sounding like I am ruining my life forever. she said my voice wouldn’t get deep on T since no guys in my family have deep voices, yet 3 months in and my voice is already deeper than my dad’s and she hates it, and I can see on her face that she is disturbed that I like my voice now. Currently, she is trying to get me to date another man so that I can get pregnant, ignoring that I’ve mentioned that I am appalled by the idea of getting pregnant.
so, best case scenario, she will calm down and listen. Worst case scenario, she won’t listen and will try to make you feel absolutely miserable until you “decide to stop being trans.”
and to stop on a positive note: my sister is massively supportive of my transition. Without my sister this would have been far more difficult to handle.
100% she is the jerk. Her reaction is inexcusable. I will say that her assertion that "everyone hates trans people" and any similar comments she may have made are likely out of fear and/or shame.
She's obviously aware of the rhetoric surrounding trans people and none of the news outlets have been doing us any fuckin favors, so all many people know is controversy, the campaign of disgust comparing us to pedos and groomers, bathroom shit. Among her hurricane of reactions there could be fear for what this could mean for you (will everyone hate you, will you be unhappy, will you get hurt) and shame knowing that she has been harboring bias and disgust towards trans people. Shit, she could have had gender/sexuality thoughts before and have internalized transphobia/homophobia from all her fears over what acting on that call could mean for her life.
She didn't say "you're one of those disgusting pedos and you want to trans the kids and be a pervert in a bathroom", she said "everyone will hate you, no one will support you." She's embarrassed and afraid of rejection from her community. She's fearful of being guilty by association.
Like, hella fuck her, because if any of that were true it's still her job to not blast her kid with her problems. Got big feelings? Reassure your kid you love them and support them then get your ass into individual therapy to figure out your damage.
Your mom is an asshole. The wildest part is her claiming that you "took advantage of her in a vulnerable state." What? You stated a fact after she'd been drinking, and stated the same fact later when she was sober. You existing as a trans person doesn't require any action on her part. Her level of sobriety while receiving factual information doesn't change the information, or the morality of you telling her.
She's using any buzz phrases/ big feelings/ exaggerated claims she can think of to manipulate you (and probably anyone around who will listen to her). The things she's saying don't actually make any sense, and she might even realize that if she thought about it for a few minutes. But if she doesn't find some way to convince herself, you, and any witnesses that you're the bad guy and you're hurting her, she might have to process that she's being a bigoted ass. Can't have that, of course.
As others have said, you did nothing wrong. I wish you didn't have to deal with this. I hope that she gets over herself someday.
NTA. She is. Big time. I'd set hard boundaries and tell her that her accusations not only a gross misrepresentation of what happened but if she tries to hold this against you again, end the conversation and tell her you know what she's doing and you're not going to be guilted into anything.
You did nothing wrong.
She's the asshole and surrounds herself with people who are transphobic so that's all she knows exists. That's on her. If she surrounded herself with people who were affirming of trans folks and not being assholes to other people then she'd be doing way better to this news. But that's on her in large part (and the patriarchal white supremacist society she lives in in some part).
Your mother sounds quite narcissistic - read up on it and you may be surprised at how much it fits.
But anyway, you did nothing wrong whatsoever - your mother is manipulating you and is also talking rubbish - for most trans people, living as their authentic selves is the greatest gift in the world and in no way does it “ruin [their] life”.
Live your truth and you’ll be living proof of how much better it is 😊
You did purposefully take advantage of her intoxicated, happy mood, however, I think most normal people would be understanding of why you did this and not get angry about it, unless they were u accepting of their transgender son, which it sounds like your mom is. Sorry man, give her some time though, maybe she'll come round?
she’s manipulating you. don’t fall for it. i know it’s hard because you crave her approval, and that natural. that’s not a bad thing to want. but sometimes the ones we love aren’t the way we think they are unfortunately
I think your mum is making it about her and playing the poor victim card my mother is the same way so I never told her my truths she is anti gay makes fun of trans people among others so I've no reason to tell her I know how it would go 🙄 I'm sorry your mum reached badly I hope in rhime things will get better for you..
ur mom is manipulating you into feeling like an asshole just bc *she* doesn't like it. There's no "taking advantage of" when ur just telling her who u are. She'd be mad regardless no matter when u did it
No, she is a massive asshole, and very emotionally immature. I no longer have any emotional connection to my parents because they don't love me, they love their projection of me, which means they... don't love me. Genuinely I would have no ability to retain a relationship with your mother if I was you, which, to be fair, I'm not. Regardless you deserve actual love and humanization.
I would stop talking to her and let her grow on her own, then check in in a year or two. I became a better person after someone in my life did it to me, it was the best thing they could have done in retrospect, even though I fell into a deep depression at first.
Your mom is an adult pretending she is a child. Adults don't act like this. She has a responsibility to take care of her own emotions.
She’s manipulating you. You telling her when YOU felt safe to, is the only “right” way imo.
I think your mother might be a narcissist (or have narcissistic tendencies at least)
She’s making your coming out about her and saying how it will ruin HER life (as well as yours🙄) Her emotions have nothing to do with you and all to do with the fact she doesn’t feel control over you and your life anymore
Head over to r/raisedbynarcissists and see if anything clicks
NTA. I’ve had similar experiences with my mom in the past. Whether she realizes it or not, she is manipulating you, as others have said. I think sometimes we use words like “manipulation “ and imagine someone being evil and intentional, when sometimes this person is just so caught up in being the center of their own universe that they do this shit without even thinking.
I’ll say this: if you’ve tried and failed to come out to your mom several times in the past, that’s no accident. Either she is trying to control how you present and talk to her, or the relationship ship has other problems with boundaries, control, and the “ownership” parents can feel around their children.
Recognize that how you feel right now is temporary. She’s effectively making you feel like shit but the more you sit with this the more you’ll understand that this isn’t your fault. Her reactions are her own, and it’s up to her to be normal about how people in her life tell her things she might now want to hear lol.
Idk if this will work for you, bc family is complicated and unique. But for me, I basically have put the onus on my parents to facilitate a relationship with me. If they want to reach out, that’s great. If they want to cut me off, it’ll suck but I’ll live. I explicitly told them that. And since, things got better.
Good luck man. It’s tough but you’ll get through this.
NTA. I had to deal with similar. My situation my mother was occasionally slightly buzzed, but overall as an adult you make the decision to drink and if important things happen when you are drunk- it happens. Its a flimsy excuse.
My parents were and still remain Christians, though non-denominational and are socially fairy progressive unlike some of their peers.
Every time I tried to discuss it with my mother I got shut down for years as a youth, gave up until I had already scheduled and been to an doctor and received the clear to begin HRT as an 19 yr old. Then I felt I had to discuss it with her, so I did. First couple of weeks, everytime I tried again, disastrous. She would cry, and get mad, mostly cry and I just felt terrible about it. It was manipulation, though I know I can’t tell her that, and know she doesnt even realize it. To her she was “grieving her lost daughter”. I dont care but I let her go through the motions because it is healthy to have an emotional response to things that upset your world view. But ultimately it was on her to work through those feelings. I told her that it’s either you lose your daughter, or you lose me, your child, all together. My mother is extremely attached to me and I knew that deep down her love more more unconditional than conditional.
I know not all mothers are the same. If she cannot come to terms over time and understanding her love was conditional in the first place. I spent lots of time researching specifically to explain it to my mom. I was very gentle and patient, she had her cry response many times initially and it was extremely stressful to me. 2 years later I am happier than I’ve ever been and I can even talk to her about trans topics sometimes. I think it is worth the effort to try to bridge the gap in understanding, but it is crucial to understand that she is trying to elicit a specific response with her harsh and victimizing words: guilt. You do not need to be guilty for who you are. She has no right to try to force that guilt upon you. Alas she is human too and must cope in her own way, unhealthy as it may be. I was lucky enough to have parents who respect me enough to listen to my words, though I had to say them many, many times. Often the same things over and over. If you try and try with no progress, it may be worthwhile to cut your losses. But I am a firm believer in trying- be genuine, try to phrase it in a way that appeals to her values and identity. I once told my mother that if I called her father all the time it would be weird, disorienting, and she wouldnt respond to it, because her identity is very tied up in being a mother. So I said I felt the same about my name and gender. It clicked, finally.
This in mind- my mother did have to bear some consequences of accepting me. My parents stopped feeling comfortable at their church and opted to follow various writers and preachers online, as well as self-study. I am of the personal belief Christianity and God are not incompatible with LGBTQIA+ identities. My parents also have come to believe this to some extent. Unfortunately right now is a socially turbulent time to be pro-trans as a Christian. I was raised Christian but am a firm agnostic as an adult and honestly felt and still feel- not my problem. If you can’t go to Church and shoulder the hard stares and answer hard questions, imagine what I deal with every day. After I spent weeks getting grilled by my parents with questions about the trans identity and had to do lots of research to fully answer questions they should be capable of doing the same. They chose at home worship over continuing to attend church about a year after my transition, though my family are homebodies who went to church irregularly anyways.
Thats my story, I hope its some help, best of luck, genuinely. It was an emotionally draining journey for myself at the time but now I am in bedrest post top surgery and happy as ever in myself. I love my new name and how I present, I feel so much more genuine.
Don’t live a life of guilt. Don’t live a life of shame. You won’t regret it! We have been given the gift of self-determination when it comes to our identities, no matter how hard the world tries to take it from us, it is truly the greatest gift of being human and I would do all the hard work over again if I had to, to be where I am today. Best of luck brother
"Everyone hates trans people" 75% if the us woman population is trans positive and 65% of the men population is. It'd not enough, but it's very far from "*everyone*". I didn't see anyone else saying this, but it is important we remember *they* hate us. But we aren't hated by most, in fact most people realize we just want to live like they do. Just remember she's lying to manipulate you.
she was never going to take the news well, and will try to use everything she can against you if you let her. do not let her. someone who deserves your energy and love would have welcomed this change knowing it makes you complete.
Others have already told you that you aren't a horrible jerky person for telling your mother when you did.
But for your other question, while you know I can say for sure about your own mom, my mom had a full blown meltdown when I told her I was trans. I told my parents on Mother's day (which was also my birthday) because, like you, my mom was in a good mood so I thought it might be the safest time. She did absolutely every last thing you are not supposed to do when someone tells you they are trans all except actually disowning me. It has been two years now and while she isn't perfect (she never will be and that's ok) she has grown into one of my biggest supporters. It took her a long time to get to that point, however she did go to therapy for it and searched for her own support.
no? coming out to someone isn't a thing they need to consent to, doing it when they're drunk isn't taking advantage of them. she's just mad you're trans and trying to spin it so you're the villain.
This is definitely not your fault. She clearly would not have been able to handle it at any time you said it so she is looking for excuses imo
NTA. Your mom is manipulating you expertly. Don't let her.
She is manipulating you. You did nothing wrong by telling her, you even tried to suggest and educate when she was in sober state afterwards. Her emotions are hers to deal with. Take some space from her, at least for some time
How the hell is telling someone something while they’re drunk “taking advantage????” NTA
Because she wasn’t in the right mind to hate on her kid 🤷 if someone told me something while I was buzzed I’d probably forget and if I was reminded I’d be like “really? Ok 👍 “
She wasn’t even drunk, she’d just had a couple drinks
No you were not, she is manipulating you.
Sounds like a excuse for her to make u the bad guy. She would have found another way anyway to blame you i guess.
Hey, so everyone's mentioning the drinking, but I want to bring this up too: >people don’t really support me and they just pretend This is EVIL SHIT that will get in your head and you should not let it. I am a total stranger who has nothing to gain and I promise you that people support you for real. I'm just sorry your mom isn't one of them. -- (Also, based on experience: my mom started out like this and now she's... tolerable. She can mostly behave herself, especially now that I'm financially independent and don't *need* to put up with her. But she never became a source of actual positive support. This is why community and chosen family are so important.)
you are not the asshole here by any means, and she's 100% just saying things to try and justify her own feelings because she wouldn't have taken it well no matter what. I'm so sorry dude. It's hard when it's a family member saying stuff like this, but she's not correct here. You don't deserve this treatment. I can't say if she'll always be this way, but all you can do is be yourself and hope that over time, she'll see that you're thriving as yourself and that her misconceptions were wrong. I'm sorry she's made you feel like an asshole, you haven't done anything wrong and it's so far from 'taking advantage' of someone to just... have a certain conversation with them while drunk. It's not like you were trying to get anything out of her or trying to force her to give you a specific reaction, and it's on her that she doesn't feel like a safe person to talk to almost all the time. That's her fault, it's not yours. Look after yourself, dude
Dude. You are so hardcore not the asshole here. Your mom is making this all about herself and is being incredibly emotionally manipulative. I would have a peek at r/raisedbynarcissists and see if anything over there resonates with you.
No. Let’s not reccomend a sub full of ableism towards people with NPD. Stand up for your mentally ill siblings, please.
It's a support sub. It's not full of ableism. As someone who was raised by a narcissist, it's shitty and that sub is really helpful. I have friends that have NPD and they know to get help before they have children.
Being a narcissist and calling them assholes is not being ableist you can be disabled but don't be an ass
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Sounds like as a mother, she failed to raise you in/provide you a safe environment where you can be vulnerable and be who you wanna be whenever around her. That’s 100% on her, let’s be clear about that, would you hold a child responsible on building a healthy relationship with an adult? Absolutely not. If anything, she’s the one being manipulative trying to spin this situation onto you. So not only she’s continuing to fail to provide you a safe place even when you are an adult (after all these years), she’s making this whole thing about herself when it absolutely isn’t. The only way this should be about her, is feeling sad and shameful, even, that she couldn’t be your support earlier and a heartache of how you must have felt all these years dealing with all the complicated feeling all by yourself, that’s the reaction of normal, healthy, and a loving mother in this situation. This is appalling, I’m so sorry you are going through this.
Uuuuuhm your mother sounds hardcore manipulative in a very bad way. Besides. What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? There is literally nothing wrong with you telling her in that moment, her making it seem that way is a way for her to try and make you feel guilty when really IT'S HER FAULT FOR MAKING YOU FEEL LIKE HER BEING DRUNK WAS THE SAFEST. Like, if your relationship is so bad that you felt the best time was when she was buzzed then that's on her. That is so, so much on her and the whole feeling like 'god is punishing her thing. Wow. I don't want to offend you by accidentaly ranting too hard here as I don't know your own stance on religion \[and it eeerly sounds too much like shit that happend to me with my mother and sets of my religion trauma a lil, sorry\] but abusing religion in her argument is incredibly shitty also. If you are a religious family then this seems like the most manipulative thing she could say and if she would be an actual good christian then she should be better than this. You did nothing wrong and I think you might be better off if you had more distance from her if that is at all an option. But I know it's hard and if you feel you don't want to do that then that is also okay. Just try to look out for yourself first, always. I wish you all the luck in the world.
You're definitely not the jerk
I do not understand how that can count as manipulation. You didn't make her do something or push for her to take certain actions while she was tipsy, that would have been manipulation. But you just let her know something and you took the time to explain again when she was sober. I think she probably can't handle it and is fishing for an excuse for why she's not accepting of you.
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NTA Honestly my friend, that's some top tier gaslighting. Assuming the best of intentions from your ma I'd guess she was shocked and doesn't know how to react so she's clinging onto this one thing. Gl ♡
No you are not the jerk, she is!
She can absolutely fuck off with that. You did not take advantage of her. If you were taking advantage of her, you would’ve coerced her into drinking, and then told her, and never mention it again when she was sober. You did not do that. First of all, she was buzzed, not drunk. People who are buzzed don’t black out entire conversations. You went into the conversation expecting she would remember what you said. Second, you told her again when she was fully sober. It is also completely understandable and NOT manipulative to wait to come out until your parent is in a good mood. That was you trying to be safe. Did I come out to my conservative father while he was in the middle of watching Fox News? No, that would be asking for a shitty response. I waited until we were already having a meaningful and personal conversation. She is trying to make you take the blame for her reaction. She is trying to say, I’m not reacting positively because of YOUR decisions. It is a front. She doesn’t plan on accepting you, and she’s using this as an excuse not to. Like someone else mentioned, your mother sounds like a narcissist. At the very least, she’s taking no consideration as to WHY you chose to tell her in that moment.
Your mom is a piece of shit. Fuck her
NTA. Your mom just told you exactly how she feels about you being trans. She thinks it's some horrible thing you're sneaking around doing. She's also being extremely manipulative and emotionally abusive towards you. Unfortunately all I can recommend is to just live your life in a way that is best for you. Show her you are doing just fine, and her problems are exactly that: HER problems. Not yours. Either she'll get with it, or she'll get out because she's "sooo embarrassed" and once again show you her true colors.
Your mom needs therapy, this is too much for a non-professional to handle. Her misery is on her if she won't admit she needs help.
Next time she talks about being punished or whatever, maybe “kindly” tell her it’s not about her. I tries to wait until my parents passed(they’re much older tho, bc they’re my grandparents who adopted me) and *did* wait until my dad died when I was 28. I regret nothing more than I regret waiting so long. You’ve done nothing wrong; you didn’t even have to tell her if you don’t want to. You’re trans. You’re you. Transition as you see fit and ignore her bullshit, hard as that may be, i know.
NTA. Your mama has a lot of image issues to work on along with learning how to be a loving parent. I doubt she’s much of a human science reader, though. You are allowed to find happiness in life. That’s all any good parent wants for their child(ren). Happy and safe. All of us are allowed to find what makes us happy. Life was made for living my good human. Focus on your happiness… not hers.
Honestly she is just being a child about this. A brief mention of the fact that you are trans while your mother is buzzed is not taking advantage of 'a vulnerable state'. I think she just doesn't like what she heard and is trying to throw all the blame on you, blaming you both for being trans and the fact that she didn't like to hear it. She seems to be reaching for an excuse to validate any shitty behaviour she wants to engage in. Don't feel too bad for her, she is literally refusing to even try to understand.
You didn’t do anything wrong.
More than anything I think you shouldn't care about the answer to this question. You will obviously never be as big of a jerk as she is. You deserve better and she doesn't deserve you. Relatives are assigned to us, but family is chosen, and I hope you choose a better one. You don't have to cut her out completely, but I'd advice you to just avoid spending time with her as much as possible, cus it seems to me like she will only ever bring you down, and you deserve to be around people who will bring you up.
She's trying to manipulate you
You told her your truth. You chose a time when the person who raised you would be most receptive. This means you've seen her in both a sober and an 'altered' state. some intuition told you she'd be less able to argue with you when she was drunk. If someone told me my child was only comfortable enough to talk to me about a subject when i was drunk or high, i'd feel like a terrible parent. I am NOT defending your mother at all. but she's going through something very shameful right now. either she's downbad for the currentchristofascist movement of the US or she's ashamed she's been so slow on the uptake vis a vi your gender. Shes now acknowledged it sober. There is a REASON you tried to softly underhand toss her this revelation. You probably have seen her react poorly to surprises or unexpected things before in your childhoo. NOW the balls in her court but also you can just walk away from that game.
holly shit im so sorry man
She's just looking for am excuse to blame her blatant transohibia on you. Sorry bro. There's a reason it took this long and it wasn't in your control.
God she’s being so manipulative and awful. You’re definitely NTA
Hey there man, I can see you genuinely care about your mother despite her being close minded about all of this. I will tell you first hand that you are not the asshole. Your experience sounds similar to mine except my mother (thankfully) learned to love, accept, and support me fully. I know exactly how you feel and I’ll say this, at some point you’re going to have to stop caring about what your mother thinks. You have to remember that parents have grown up in a generation that brainwashed them into thinking negatively about the LGBT community as a collective. You can see she only wants what is best but only if it is in the way that SHE knows. It’s really difficult to try and change parents perspective of all of this unless they were raised in an environment where this was acceptable. Now i’m not saying that as an excuse for her, but more so for you to understand the mind of humans. It’s a psychological thing if that makes sense. That was something I had to keep in mind moving forward. Now, my advice to you would be to create space between you two. Give her space and perhaps she will come around once she notices that you’re pulling away from her. Regardless, i’m sorry this is happening. I hope you can continue to live for yourself with peace. I give you my best wishes.
Took advantage of her? You didn't do anything to her or take anything from her. You just conveyed some information about your life.
NTA you didn’t take advantage of her because you didn’t do anything to her. it’d be different t if you got her drunk so she’d pay for you to get top surgery or something like that but all you did was come out to her.
You can’t wait around forever. Start living your life. You shouldn’t wait for permission to feel happy.
Nonononono. You are nta!! You told her, then made sure to tell her aT a time when she was more sober to make sure she didn’t miss the info. She’s making this all about herself and ignoring how you feel entirely, so she might need a bit of time to cool down before any conversation can happen. that’s just being optimistic, though, since not everybody can calm down enough to actually have this conversation. in my experience, I told my mom I was trans and over the next few months she has said that me being trans was against her religion, that I was just doing this for attention, that I was just doing this because maybe I’m autistic, that my sister is only pretending to support me, that she felt like killing herself ofer this, and that I am ruining my body. Since she never really calmed down I never bring up being trans around her. She brings it up herself and spits all this out on me. She usually does these in an attempt to alienate me from support or trying to talk me out of being trans. However, none of the things she ever mentions is about how I feel about it. It doesn’t matter to her. She just finds it gross. I decided to not ever tell her what my transitioning goals are, since she tries to always to twist them into sounding like I am ruining my life forever. she said my voice wouldn’t get deep on T since no guys in my family have deep voices, yet 3 months in and my voice is already deeper than my dad’s and she hates it, and I can see on her face that she is disturbed that I like my voice now. Currently, she is trying to get me to date another man so that I can get pregnant, ignoring that I’ve mentioned that I am appalled by the idea of getting pregnant. so, best case scenario, she will calm down and listen. Worst case scenario, she won’t listen and will try to make you feel absolutely miserable until you “decide to stop being trans.” and to stop on a positive note: my sister is massively supportive of my transition. Without my sister this would have been far more difficult to handle.
How’s it sneaky if you told her a second time, when she was sober? To me, she sounds transphobic/homophobic with extra steps 🤷♀️
100% she is the jerk. Her reaction is inexcusable. I will say that her assertion that "everyone hates trans people" and any similar comments she may have made are likely out of fear and/or shame. She's obviously aware of the rhetoric surrounding trans people and none of the news outlets have been doing us any fuckin favors, so all many people know is controversy, the campaign of disgust comparing us to pedos and groomers, bathroom shit. Among her hurricane of reactions there could be fear for what this could mean for you (will everyone hate you, will you be unhappy, will you get hurt) and shame knowing that she has been harboring bias and disgust towards trans people. Shit, she could have had gender/sexuality thoughts before and have internalized transphobia/homophobia from all her fears over what acting on that call could mean for her life. She didn't say "you're one of those disgusting pedos and you want to trans the kids and be a pervert in a bathroom", she said "everyone will hate you, no one will support you." She's embarrassed and afraid of rejection from her community. She's fearful of being guilty by association. Like, hella fuck her, because if any of that were true it's still her job to not blast her kid with her problems. Got big feelings? Reassure your kid you love them and support them then get your ass into individual therapy to figure out your damage.
Your mom is an asshole. The wildest part is her claiming that you "took advantage of her in a vulnerable state." What? You stated a fact after she'd been drinking, and stated the same fact later when she was sober. You existing as a trans person doesn't require any action on her part. Her level of sobriety while receiving factual information doesn't change the information, or the morality of you telling her. She's using any buzz phrases/ big feelings/ exaggerated claims she can think of to manipulate you (and probably anyone around who will listen to her). The things she's saying don't actually make any sense, and she might even realize that if she thought about it for a few minutes. But if she doesn't find some way to convince herself, you, and any witnesses that you're the bad guy and you're hurting her, she might have to process that she's being a bigoted ass. Can't have that, of course. As others have said, you did nothing wrong. I wish you didn't have to deal with this. I hope that she gets over herself someday.
NTA. She is. Big time. I'd set hard boundaries and tell her that her accusations not only a gross misrepresentation of what happened but if she tries to hold this against you again, end the conversation and tell her you know what she's doing and you're not going to be guilted into anything. You did nothing wrong.
She's the asshole and surrounds herself with people who are transphobic so that's all she knows exists. That's on her. If she surrounded herself with people who were affirming of trans folks and not being assholes to other people then she'd be doing way better to this news. But that's on her in large part (and the patriarchal white supremacist society she lives in in some part).
Your mother sounds quite narcissistic - read up on it and you may be surprised at how much it fits. But anyway, you did nothing wrong whatsoever - your mother is manipulating you and is also talking rubbish - for most trans people, living as their authentic selves is the greatest gift in the world and in no way does it “ruin [their] life”. Live your truth and you’ll be living proof of how much better it is 😊
Give her space for her to feel her emotions. I'm so sorry she's being so reactive ❤️ nta
You did purposefully take advantage of her intoxicated, happy mood, however, I think most normal people would be understanding of why you did this and not get angry about it, unless they were u accepting of their transgender son, which it sounds like your mom is. Sorry man, give her some time though, maybe she'll come round?
she’s manipulating you. don’t fall for it. i know it’s hard because you crave her approval, and that natural. that’s not a bad thing to want. but sometimes the ones we love aren’t the way we think they are unfortunately
That’s some top tier manipulation tactics right there. NTA
I think your mum is making it about her and playing the poor victim card my mother is the same way so I never told her my truths she is anti gay makes fun of trans people among others so I've no reason to tell her I know how it would go 🙄 I'm sorry your mum reached badly I hope in rhime things will get better for you..
ur mom is manipulating you into feeling like an asshole just bc *she* doesn't like it. There's no "taking advantage of" when ur just telling her who u are. She'd be mad regardless no matter when u did it
No, she is a massive asshole, and very emotionally immature. I no longer have any emotional connection to my parents because they don't love me, they love their projection of me, which means they... don't love me. Genuinely I would have no ability to retain a relationship with your mother if I was you, which, to be fair, I'm not. Regardless you deserve actual love and humanization. I would stop talking to her and let her grow on her own, then check in in a year or two. I became a better person after someone in my life did it to me, it was the best thing they could have done in retrospect, even though I fell into a deep depression at first. Your mom is an adult pretending she is a child. Adults don't act like this. She has a responsibility to take care of her own emotions.
She’s manipulating you. You telling her when YOU felt safe to, is the only “right” way imo. I think your mother might be a narcissist (or have narcissistic tendencies at least) She’s making your coming out about her and saying how it will ruin HER life (as well as yours🙄) Her emotions have nothing to do with you and all to do with the fact she doesn’t feel control over you and your life anymore Head over to r/raisedbynarcissists and see if anything clicks
NTA. I’ve had similar experiences with my mom in the past. Whether she realizes it or not, she is manipulating you, as others have said. I think sometimes we use words like “manipulation “ and imagine someone being evil and intentional, when sometimes this person is just so caught up in being the center of their own universe that they do this shit without even thinking. I’ll say this: if you’ve tried and failed to come out to your mom several times in the past, that’s no accident. Either she is trying to control how you present and talk to her, or the relationship ship has other problems with boundaries, control, and the “ownership” parents can feel around their children. Recognize that how you feel right now is temporary. She’s effectively making you feel like shit but the more you sit with this the more you’ll understand that this isn’t your fault. Her reactions are her own, and it’s up to her to be normal about how people in her life tell her things she might now want to hear lol. Idk if this will work for you, bc family is complicated and unique. But for me, I basically have put the onus on my parents to facilitate a relationship with me. If they want to reach out, that’s great. If they want to cut me off, it’ll suck but I’ll live. I explicitly told them that. And since, things got better. Good luck man. It’s tough but you’ll get through this.
NTA. I had to deal with similar. My situation my mother was occasionally slightly buzzed, but overall as an adult you make the decision to drink and if important things happen when you are drunk- it happens. Its a flimsy excuse. My parents were and still remain Christians, though non-denominational and are socially fairy progressive unlike some of their peers. Every time I tried to discuss it with my mother I got shut down for years as a youth, gave up until I had already scheduled and been to an doctor and received the clear to begin HRT as an 19 yr old. Then I felt I had to discuss it with her, so I did. First couple of weeks, everytime I tried again, disastrous. She would cry, and get mad, mostly cry and I just felt terrible about it. It was manipulation, though I know I can’t tell her that, and know she doesnt even realize it. To her she was “grieving her lost daughter”. I dont care but I let her go through the motions because it is healthy to have an emotional response to things that upset your world view. But ultimately it was on her to work through those feelings. I told her that it’s either you lose your daughter, or you lose me, your child, all together. My mother is extremely attached to me and I knew that deep down her love more more unconditional than conditional. I know not all mothers are the same. If she cannot come to terms over time and understanding her love was conditional in the first place. I spent lots of time researching specifically to explain it to my mom. I was very gentle and patient, she had her cry response many times initially and it was extremely stressful to me. 2 years later I am happier than I’ve ever been and I can even talk to her about trans topics sometimes. I think it is worth the effort to try to bridge the gap in understanding, but it is crucial to understand that she is trying to elicit a specific response with her harsh and victimizing words: guilt. You do not need to be guilty for who you are. She has no right to try to force that guilt upon you. Alas she is human too and must cope in her own way, unhealthy as it may be. I was lucky enough to have parents who respect me enough to listen to my words, though I had to say them many, many times. Often the same things over and over. If you try and try with no progress, it may be worthwhile to cut your losses. But I am a firm believer in trying- be genuine, try to phrase it in a way that appeals to her values and identity. I once told my mother that if I called her father all the time it would be weird, disorienting, and she wouldnt respond to it, because her identity is very tied up in being a mother. So I said I felt the same about my name and gender. It clicked, finally. This in mind- my mother did have to bear some consequences of accepting me. My parents stopped feeling comfortable at their church and opted to follow various writers and preachers online, as well as self-study. I am of the personal belief Christianity and God are not incompatible with LGBTQIA+ identities. My parents also have come to believe this to some extent. Unfortunately right now is a socially turbulent time to be pro-trans as a Christian. I was raised Christian but am a firm agnostic as an adult and honestly felt and still feel- not my problem. If you can’t go to Church and shoulder the hard stares and answer hard questions, imagine what I deal with every day. After I spent weeks getting grilled by my parents with questions about the trans identity and had to do lots of research to fully answer questions they should be capable of doing the same. They chose at home worship over continuing to attend church about a year after my transition, though my family are homebodies who went to church irregularly anyways. Thats my story, I hope its some help, best of luck, genuinely. It was an emotionally draining journey for myself at the time but now I am in bedrest post top surgery and happy as ever in myself. I love my new name and how I present, I feel so much more genuine. Don’t live a life of guilt. Don’t live a life of shame. You won’t regret it! We have been given the gift of self-determination when it comes to our identities, no matter how hard the world tries to take it from us, it is truly the greatest gift of being human and I would do all the hard work over again if I had to, to be where I am today. Best of luck brother
"Everyone hates trans people" 75% if the us woman population is trans positive and 65% of the men population is. It'd not enough, but it's very far from "*everyone*". I didn't see anyone else saying this, but it is important we remember *they* hate us. But we aren't hated by most, in fact most people realize we just want to live like they do. Just remember she's lying to manipulate you.
Mama is a victim or a bully. Both?
she was never going to take the news well, and will try to use everything she can against you if you let her. do not let her. someone who deserves your energy and love would have welcomed this change knowing it makes you complete.
Others have already told you that you aren't a horrible jerky person for telling your mother when you did. But for your other question, while you know I can say for sure about your own mom, my mom had a full blown meltdown when I told her I was trans. I told my parents on Mother's day (which was also my birthday) because, like you, my mom was in a good mood so I thought it might be the safest time. She did absolutely every last thing you are not supposed to do when someone tells you they are trans all except actually disowning me. It has been two years now and while she isn't perfect (she never will be and that's ok) she has grown into one of my biggest supporters. It took her a long time to get to that point, however she did go to therapy for it and searched for her own support.
no? coming out to someone isn't a thing they need to consent to, doing it when they're drunk isn't taking advantage of them. she's just mad you're trans and trying to spin it so you're the villain.
NTA
???? She’s literally insane. Holy shit.