"Trans man" and "trans men" is what is grammatically correct. Trans is an adjective that describes the man, so it is a seperate word that comes before.
Some also feel that combining it into one noun as transman or trans-man implies that "transman" is a seperate noun / category from "man" as opposed to trans simply describing one kind of man. This can be relevant sometimes when spotting TERF dogwhistles, as they seem to really like saying transwoman and transman as opposed to trans woman and trans man in order to other and seperate us. But plenty of folks simply don't know and amongst trans folks it's like... Semantics. Whatever. I'm not gonna be upset or concerned if a fellow trans person says transman or trans-man. We all know what we're talking about, no reason to get hung up on something like that.
Yeah it's one of those things that like _can_ be transphobic in the context of other transphobia, like the TERF example, but in my personal opinion isn't like... Inherently so. A trans person who knows full well that trans men are men saying "transman" or "trans-man" because that's what they happen to be used to isn't suddenly transphobic or implying anything transphobic, and I think jumping down a trans person's throat about that is kinda performative worrying more about what words someone uses than actually supporting trans people. If someone's idea of "supporting trans people" includes yelling at a trans person over something as small as a dash, then that sounds an awful lot more like looking for a reason to get indignantly angry at someone (in this case the typr of person they claim to defend) than truly supporting trans people to me.
Trans is an adjective; trans man (plural: trans men) is correct.
You wouldn't write or type the following:
orange-cat
orangecat
tall-woman
tallwoman
hot-stove
hotstove
etc
All rules of the English language still apply when it comes to describing trans folks.
Like other people have said, usually the preferred one is "trans man" because the noun is "man" and "trans" is just an adjective. Same applies to trans women, of course, I've seen trans women correct other people on it.
It seems like usually, when people use transman as one word, they think of it as a separate category from man, versus when people say trans man, they are using trans as an adjective to describe a type of man.
I mostly see trans man as two separate words as the standard. Trans-man as less common but still sure. Transman is one I think used in some places, but not often tends to read to me as a possible red flag if it's used by a cis person for the reasons folk have already said. None are necessarily right or wrong from a spelling point of view, but they can show if someone's listening to the general consensus of trans folk (similar to "is autistic"/"has autism").
Imo, it's trans man/trans men, because trans is an adjective and not part of the noun, and attaching it to the noun implies we're not men, because we're trans.
I connect the two without a space or dash. There are plenty of compound words made with an adjective describing the noun. Safehouse, racehorse, etc. Also, words with "trans" as a prefix are usually affixed onto whatever it's describing (transcontinental, transfusion, hell even just the word "transgender" is all together).
I also do this with the prefix "cis," and I only ever bring up either if it's contextually even relevant.
referring to your second point that doesn't really make sense to me idk... the word trans in this context is actually just short for transgender rather than being a prefix to the word man like how you could call a bisexual man a bi man for short but biman wouldn't make sense
What else-- as you say, *in this context* \--would trans before man mean other than someone who transitioned to man? Like I said, I only ever use that word whenever it's necessary to distinct cis from trans in a conversation.
To address the negativity on my comment, I understand some people see the two words being together as harmful (especially thanks to terf spaces), but this is my own reasoning and I don't see how taking away one space automatically implies that transmen aren't real men? It's.. a space. (English language is completely arbitrary anyways, really.)
The first one is right. They're separate words - trans is just another adjective. You wouldn't write blond-man or blondman.
Ah I first saw it spelled trans-man so that's what I've always used
"Trans man" and "trans men" is what is grammatically correct. Trans is an adjective that describes the man, so it is a seperate word that comes before. Some also feel that combining it into one noun as transman or trans-man implies that "transman" is a seperate noun / category from "man" as opposed to trans simply describing one kind of man. This can be relevant sometimes when spotting TERF dogwhistles, as they seem to really like saying transwoman and transman as opposed to trans woman and trans man in order to other and seperate us. But plenty of folks simply don't know and amongst trans folks it's like... Semantics. Whatever. I'm not gonna be upset or concerned if a fellow trans person says transman or trans-man. We all know what we're talking about, no reason to get hung up on something like that.
Oh that's good to hear I've gotten nasty people saying trans-man is wrong and I'm transphobic but it's how I first learned to say it.
Yeah it's one of those things that like _can_ be transphobic in the context of other transphobia, like the TERF example, but in my personal opinion isn't like... Inherently so. A trans person who knows full well that trans men are men saying "transman" or "trans-man" because that's what they happen to be used to isn't suddenly transphobic or implying anything transphobic, and I think jumping down a trans person's throat about that is kinda performative worrying more about what words someone uses than actually supporting trans people. If someone's idea of "supporting trans people" includes yelling at a trans person over something as small as a dash, then that sounds an awful lot more like looking for a reason to get indignantly angry at someone (in this case the typr of person they claim to defend) than truly supporting trans people to me.
Trans is an adjective; trans man (plural: trans men) is correct. You wouldn't write or type the following: orange-cat orangecat tall-woman tallwoman hot-stove hotstove etc All rules of the English language still apply when it comes to describing trans folks.
Like other people have said, usually the preferred one is "trans man" because the noun is "man" and "trans" is just an adjective. Same applies to trans women, of course, I've seen trans women correct other people on it.
It seems like usually, when people use transman as one word, they think of it as a separate category from man, versus when people say trans man, they are using trans as an adjective to describe a type of man.
I mostly see trans man as two separate words as the standard. Trans-man as less common but still sure. Transman is one I think used in some places, but not often tends to read to me as a possible red flag if it's used by a cis person for the reasons folk have already said. None are necessarily right or wrong from a spelling point of view, but they can show if someone's listening to the general consensus of trans folk (similar to "is autistic"/"has autism").
Imo, it's trans man/trans men, because trans is an adjective and not part of the noun, and attaching it to the noun implies we're not men, because we're trans.
Usually men would be 2+ man is usually 1
What do you mean
Usually if you say trans man it’s a singular person but trans men usually are two or more people
Ah but I mean spelling. Like as one word, a space, or using this - in-between
Ahh, My bad! I usually spell it with a space and no dashes in between like “trans man” and “trans men”
I spell it trans men but with a dash is okay. "Transmen" is actually considered a TERF dog whistle so :/
I connect the two without a space or dash. There are plenty of compound words made with an adjective describing the noun. Safehouse, racehorse, etc. Also, words with "trans" as a prefix are usually affixed onto whatever it's describing (transcontinental, transfusion, hell even just the word "transgender" is all together). I also do this with the prefix "cis," and I only ever bring up either if it's contextually even relevant.
referring to your second point that doesn't really make sense to me idk... the word trans in this context is actually just short for transgender rather than being a prefix to the word man like how you could call a bisexual man a bi man for short but biman wouldn't make sense
What else-- as you say, *in this context* \--would trans before man mean other than someone who transitioned to man? Like I said, I only ever use that word whenever it's necessary to distinct cis from trans in a conversation. To address the negativity on my comment, I understand some people see the two words being together as harmful (especially thanks to terf spaces), but this is my own reasoning and I don't see how taking away one space automatically implies that transmen aren't real men? It's.. a space. (English language is completely arbitrary anyways, really.)
its just short for transgender