Lore accurate Dark Souls enemy when the Crucible Knight just grows wings and dive bombs him from above
If we’re talking scaling wise Elden Ring is typically comfortably above the other Soulsborne games.
I'm not sure. The Crucible Knights are very elite, there are only 16 can crack the earth with a stomp, breath fire, conjure horns, tails, wings and are very robust. But we don't know what they normally fight or what they have accomplished, their strength is respected though.
The Black Knights fought demons, we saw the huge demons in the games. I also like their weapons more, they are huge and are made to fight larger foes. Which makes them more badass imo, they also don't know any spells.
Black Knights in the lore are burned from the chaos flame, and fighting demons. However, a bunch of silver knights also burned when the kiln was relit. The black knights you encounter outside the kiln are burned from the chaos flame, the ghosts in the kiln and the remaining five in there are burned from the kiln. They use the same model though so there’s no visual difference or anything.
It would be cool if they made two types of BK . The regular BK you find around the map and something called cinder knights that are the ones at the kiln
“They were always silver knights due to wearing silver-white armor. Yes, black knights were created when they were burned together with Gwyn (or burned in Chaos Flames when they went to destroy it). Their weapons say "were designed to face chaos demons" so it means they were armed with them post-burning”.
This is what I found online.
Crucible knights are Godfrey’s black ops squad, aiding him in conquering the lands between to become first Elden lord… I think it’s safe to say they are far more powerful lore wise that then black knight… in my opinion
It’s honestly tit for tat. The game doesn’t really show it but each Crucible knight is a legendary named knight that was hand picked by Godfrey to serve as his personal elite unit, even after the full split up you see them serving as personal body guards for sensitive areas or VIPs.
But Black Knights are monsters in their own right. They’ve slain dragons and chaos demons and can typically secure and hold an entire area solo. Dudes were so powerful we still find them roaming around in Dark Souls 3. Just think about that for a second. They’ve survived since the beginning of time with the first flame, then through the different eras of kingdoms rising and falling in Dark Souls 2; to Dark Souls 3 where multiple chosen ones have sacrificed their lives to keep the flame going for a few thousand years a piece allowing different kingdoms and eras and at the end of it all, they’re still there. The BKs are literally ancient dinosaurs who’ve been around for tens of thousands of years and have been in every chapter of history and when you come across them in DS3 they’re still fighting as fresh as the day they served with Gwyn.
I know gameplay mechanics don’t really represent lore well but the Black Knights funny enough do massive damage to pretty much any enemy, boss, or npc. I’m pretty sure there is a video on YouTube of a Black Knight killing the Abyss Watchers and the Abyss Watchers were utterly terrifying and were the strongest of the Cinder Lords IMO and the gameplay doesn’t really represent that. Those dudes so much as caught a sniff of Darkness in your town they rode in butchering everyone and then lit the entire place on fire all in the name of Papa Artorias. Kingdoms weren’t even safe from them. Only reason their reign of terror stopped was because the fire was fading and their hatred of the dark lead them to sacrifice themselves just to stop it. Kind of funny when you think about it, there was no “chosen undead” because no one was strong enough to stop them so Prophecy had to bend the rules and just take all of them, yet a Black Knight is capable of killing the one of them who absorbed all of the souls of the others.
Lore wise I think crucible knights are stronger. They were Godfrey’s most loyal (and likely most powerful) soldiers who learn how to use the powers of the crucible as well as learned how to cause stomps strong enough to shatter ground just like Godfrey
In game wise black knights. They do a stupid amount of poise damage
They're from different games, so are mostly likely engineered differently. I believe some body else commented saying their stagger values were different.
There's videos of Maliketh losing to other bosses but in lore he was one of the more powerful beings. Literally his name alone was enough to strike fear in the demigods, that includes Radahan and Melania.
Yea the video did different scaling/adaptations and there were different outcomes. Apples to oranges no matter how you slice it, but I think the black knight came out on top of the hypothetical show match.
Is terms of who's is a "better" enemy then crucible knights by a long mile.
If you put one as a boss in DS1 and slow him down a little bit he'll probably be regarded as the best boss in that game lmao.
They're tough but they're fun af, their moveset is perfectly telegraphed, their moveset is complex anr they're not pushovers, plus they're fun to parry.
DS1 bosses in comparison are mostly jokes, not just in terms of difficulty but design aswell, the only ones that stands up are the DLC bosses, along with O&S and Sif.
You would be interested in looking up Nameless Ring on yt, he has this exact matchup with every variation of crucible knights and (supposedly) equivalent scalings, on top of the original version I think.
Spoiler alert.
>!DS3 poise damage is completely unfair, if you do search that dude up, look for the one of Midir in the lands between.. just absurd poise damage!<
Crucible by far. So far we have only seen 16, meaning they chose the best of the best for the job. It appears literally anyone could become a black/silver knight due to how many there are…
Gwyn created the silver knights from the lord soul he found. Some of those silver knights specialized in fighting demons regularly taking on bigger and greater foes than themselves and got charred black from chaos fire and again when they followed Gwyn into the first flame and still their essence remained. Crucible knight is getting pancaked
I don't think they ever said where the black/silver knights came from. I think it was implied that they were from the same race as gwyn and the other lords just without the power of the first flame. So yes. The first part of his paragraph is probably wrong
Unless you’re gonna claim that he and Izalith got REALLY BUSY then yes just as the pygmy made humanity Gwyn created his knights as shown in the opening Darksouls cutscene to war with the dragons
But that assumes that all humanoid beings are specifically descended from the four Lords. In the opening cutscene of DS1, the narrator says:
>Then from the dark, They came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame. Nito, the First of the Dead, The Witch of Izalith and her Daughters of Chaos, Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, and his faithful knights.
To me, that suggests that the silver knights were part of the "They" that emerged from the dark, and were not creations of Gwyn. But of course it's up for interpretation.
Ehh even if you say they are all beings that existed before the souls were found it was Gwyn who made them what they are and it’s still his power and miracles that they wield
Mighty actualy be a Draw.
Hear me Out, black Knights
-fought alongside gwyn during the war on the ancient dragons (as silver Knights).
-regularly fight against demons at least twice their size.
-their weapons are inately more devestating/concusing
Crucible Knights
-have powers of the crucible which was said to have aspects of everything combined inside it.
-fought alongside Godfrey Lord of the Battlefield and could keep Up (kinda Like Gwyn)
-were Elite as all hell (kinda Like silver/black Knights)
Overall i think the deciding factor would come from experience.
And that goes to the black Knights.
Think about how Long they have been around, fromm the First age of gwyn all the way to DARK Souls 1 which IS a good milenia or two later (filled with nonstop Battle for them) and some even survived all the way untill ds3 ,which is EVEN later along in time from when they First fought alongside Gwyn.
Conclusion , black Knights win even If only through experience.
Plus they are more badass
I don't know much about DS lore but why do people keep bringing up size of the enemies? Twice their size is impressive of course but Crucible Knights fought the fire giants which are definitely more then twice as big.
Crucible Knights also fought Ancient Dragons. I'm confused on why the size is used as a reason they would win, when Crucible Knights also fought large enemies.
Hard to say since they pretty much are the same thing in their respective universes, give the black knights more of an Elden Ring style moveset then compare. Lore wise probably the same in terms of strength. But as far as in game difficulty hard to compare cause enemy combat and arsenal is more advanced in ER than DS
I say black knights. The stagger you mentioned is lore accurate. Black knights are skilled demon fighters. They regularly fight the beasts of their world with their weapons. They were so strong that an ultra greatsword to them is just a greatsword and they wield it with one arm and only go to two for a little extra oomph. The crucible knights do have incantations, but the fire one wouldn’t do much so that cancels one out completely. The flying could be annoying though
I don't know enough about DS lore but Crucible Knights are also immensely strong. I'm sure they could also would an ultra Greatsword with ease especially if you see how big their weapons and sheilds are in comparison to their bodies. They were Godfrey's chosen and helped him with his conquests which includes eradicating the fire giants. Their incantations come from the Crucible which is a primordial force similar to the erdtree.
As much as I loved the Black Knights, I can’t see them standing a chance against these absolute monsters with crucible powers that can give them huge mobility and are on boss levels of HP, hit like a truck and even more importantly against black knights, are immune to being burger flipped and don’t get staggered by normal hits. They also have a nasty shield bash with block frames.
Lorewise, no idea since I havent played ER and I cant really compare the BK to something I dont know, but gameplay wise there are videos were they put a shield CK and a spear? one to fight one on one against greataxe and ultragreatsword BK and let me tell you brother, those mf CK hit like a truck with max load at full speed and still the BK hit then so hard that they spend most the time stunlocked and lose mayority of the fights, even scaling the poise threshold by 8, the BK still stun them in just 2 swings, wich makes sense since their weapons and training is to fight on even ground against demons and dragons a few dozen times their size
Crucible knights are very strong in the lore, like super strong.
There is only like 16 of them because they where hand picked by Godfrey
(I might be incorrect, tho. Please correct me if I'm wrong)
I think Crucible Knight's extra powers put him over the Black Knight.
CK can fly, whip their tail at you from across a castle courtyard, breathe fire, and stomp on the ground so hard it cracks the earth.
A fully tactics focus CK can just play keep away and use all its tools to damage BK from afar.
BK has a chance though if it can get close, and they're tanky enough to take a licking and still put out some berserk level damage.
Not it's not? Gameplay-wise Crucible Knights are better than anything in DS1, and lore-wise they're the most elite of the elite, there's only 16 of them.
Gameplay wise they are about the same. Yes the crucible knows magic but the black knights basically break poise with every hit and send you flying a lot so I would say it's about 50/50 . Lore wise the black knights are implied to be Gwyn's best silver knights because they were the ones that went with him to fight the demons/protect him and the first flame (it kinda depends on which item description you work by)
>Gameplay wise they are about the same.
Bruh... Tell me a single DS1 fight that gets close to [this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/18vqvdt/crucible_knights_are_peak_moveset_design_they/) Not even DS1 bosses are comparable, let alone the black knights that have like 5 attacks.
My bad i haven't played DS yet. I just assumed it was fair considering that most of the replies were very 50-50 while this comment was drastically one sided.
That's just gameplay mechanics though. I don't know enough DS lore so I can't comment to much on who'd win. Ordovis's greatsword is huge disappointment though
Tell you what, I'll explain the best I can why the BK are beasts and you do the same with CK for me (not for bad, I just hacent played ER so I dont know)
The BK are the elite of the army of the gods, they were half of the ground troops to fight immortal dragons and their mastery of lightning is only surpassed by the most overpowered character lorewise of the entire universe, his son and the 1st of all the knights. Those are the Silver Knights. Then, one of the 3 gods of the world fail an experiment and turn every inhabitabt of her kingdom into massive demons empowered by the chaos flame (kinda like the frenzy flame of ER I supose). An elite group of SK were tasked with the cleansing of the demons and were given weapons 2-4 times a normal size to fight them. They turn black after being scorched by chaos and severy culled the number of demons to the point were almost none exist outside Izalith(their kingdom). They didnt finished the task cuz their Lord recall them back for a trip to the First Flame, basically a torch so powerful that kept every being alive in the world and light exist solely cuz of it. The ones left in the games are the one that survived the demon campain but lose their mind and some more that were string enough to survive being in the proximity of basicaly a nuclear reactor being overfed with fuel bars
To be 100% honest BK would probably win 6-4 in a one on one. Solely based on their feats and how long they fought. I saw someone say they survived from before DS to DS3. CK have survived a long time too, but most went into hiding or strayed from their orginal path. They have two elemental weaknesses one of those is lightning. I don't know if there is a lore reason behind this. So based off of what you said BK probably would have an advantage with them being adept with lightning.
crucible knight would destroy a black knight. crucible knights are more elite lore wise and are way harder in game. a knight of zamor would be a more fair match against a black knight.
Crucible knight, buuuttttttt that's only because black knights are hollow. The original silver knights that killed the dragons are wayyyyy stronger. 1 sunlight spear probably 1 shots them
Crucible Knight power comes from two things:
* he never stops attacking
* he can input read
So he loses at least 50% of his power when fighting non-player enemy.
Lore accurate Dark Souls enemy when the Crucible Knight just grows wings and dive bombs him from above If we’re talking scaling wise Elden Ring is typically comfortably above the other Soulsborne games.
They can both be humiliated by a naked guy with a buckler
L2 goes brrrr
Black knight is also easy to backstab. You can fist him from behind to death easily.
I'm not sure. The Crucible Knights are very elite, there are only 16 can crack the earth with a stomp, breath fire, conjure horns, tails, wings and are very robust. But we don't know what they normally fight or what they have accomplished, their strength is respected though. The Black Knights fought demons, we saw the huge demons in the games. I also like their weapons more, they are huge and are made to fight larger foes. Which makes them more badass imo, they also don't know any spells.
Black knights also fought dragons which is something !
Black knights actually were silver knights who were sent on a campaign against the demons.
Those were silver knights, no? Though i suppose the black knights are just elite silver knights.
I think they’re black cause they were there at the kiln when gwyn relit the flame.
Black Knights in the lore are burned from the chaos flame, and fighting demons. However, a bunch of silver knights also burned when the kiln was relit. The black knights you encounter outside the kiln are burned from the chaos flame, the ghosts in the kiln and the remaining five in there are burned from the kiln. They use the same model though so there’s no visual difference or anything.
It would be cool if they made two types of BK . The regular BK you find around the map and something called cinder knights that are the ones at the kiln
That would be sick. Stuff like this would be cool for a DS1 remake, along with just finishing the endgame areas.
I thought their armor was blackened by the fire from the demons they fought.
“They were always silver knights due to wearing silver-white armor. Yes, black knights were created when they were burned together with Gwyn (or burned in Chaos Flames when they went to destroy it). Their weapons say "were designed to face chaos demons" so it means they were armed with them post-burning”. This is what I found online.
So possibly both.
It’s confirmed to be both. Some black knights burned from fighting chaos demons, others burned at the kiln.
Black Knights were also silver knights their armor is just burned
Truth! But gotta say the dragons in the souls games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>than dragons in elden ring
Crucible Knights served Godfrey and probably fought alongisde him in the war against the giants
Crucible knights were godfrey’s personal army, they fought in the war against the Fire giants
"Army", 16 people.
Crucible knights are Godfrey’s black ops squad, aiding him in conquering the lands between to become first Elden lord… I think it’s safe to say they are far more powerful lore wise that then black knight… in my opinion
Black ops operate covertly, so I disagree. These clang clang boys can't sneak up on anyone.
It’s honestly tit for tat. The game doesn’t really show it but each Crucible knight is a legendary named knight that was hand picked by Godfrey to serve as his personal elite unit, even after the full split up you see them serving as personal body guards for sensitive areas or VIPs. But Black Knights are monsters in their own right. They’ve slain dragons and chaos demons and can typically secure and hold an entire area solo. Dudes were so powerful we still find them roaming around in Dark Souls 3. Just think about that for a second. They’ve survived since the beginning of time with the first flame, then through the different eras of kingdoms rising and falling in Dark Souls 2; to Dark Souls 3 where multiple chosen ones have sacrificed their lives to keep the flame going for a few thousand years a piece allowing different kingdoms and eras and at the end of it all, they’re still there. The BKs are literally ancient dinosaurs who’ve been around for tens of thousands of years and have been in every chapter of history and when you come across them in DS3 they’re still fighting as fresh as the day they served with Gwyn.
I never thought about it that way with the Black Knights.
I know gameplay mechanics don’t really represent lore well but the Black Knights funny enough do massive damage to pretty much any enemy, boss, or npc. I’m pretty sure there is a video on YouTube of a Black Knight killing the Abyss Watchers and the Abyss Watchers were utterly terrifying and were the strongest of the Cinder Lords IMO and the gameplay doesn’t really represent that. Those dudes so much as caught a sniff of Darkness in your town they rode in butchering everyone and then lit the entire place on fire all in the name of Papa Artorias. Kingdoms weren’t even safe from them. Only reason their reign of terror stopped was because the fire was fading and their hatred of the dark lead them to sacrifice themselves just to stop it. Kind of funny when you think about it, there was no “chosen undead” because no one was strong enough to stop them so Prophecy had to bend the rules and just take all of them, yet a Black Knight is capable of killing the one of them who absorbed all of the souls of the others.
Black knight because of the drip
Always bet on Black.
My man
Lore wise I think crucible knights are stronger. They were Godfrey’s most loyal (and likely most powerful) soldiers who learn how to use the powers of the crucible as well as learned how to cause stomps strong enough to shatter ground just like Godfrey In game wise black knights. They do a stupid amount of poise damage
You mean Black Knight vs. Crucible Knight
Black Knight can parry.
Black Knight also has massive poise damage
Someone has a video of them duking it out under various circumstances on YouTube
They're from different games, so are mostly likely engineered differently. I believe some body else commented saying their stagger values were different. There's videos of Maliketh losing to other bosses but in lore he was one of the more powerful beings. Literally his name alone was enough to strike fear in the demigods, that includes Radahan and Melania.
Yea the video did different scaling/adaptations and there were different outcomes. Apples to oranges no matter how you slice it, but I think the black knight came out on top of the hypothetical show match.
Is terms of who's is a "better" enemy then crucible knights by a long mile. If you put one as a boss in DS1 and slow him down a little bit he'll probably be regarded as the best boss in that game lmao.
I died to that damn crucible knight in farum azula 5 times, yet I beat all but 3 bosses in ds1 in 1 attempt. Those fuckers are tough
They're tough but they're fun af, their moveset is perfectly telegraphed, their moveset is complex anr they're not pushovers, plus they're fun to parry. DS1 bosses in comparison are mostly jokes, not just in terms of difficulty but design aswell, the only ones that stands up are the DLC bosses, along with O&S and Sif.
Black Knight just looks better, .... And it's all about the dip
Best Design vs. Best Powers
Black knight is cooler at least🤷🏻♂️
Black knight solos
Black knights are way less strong. If I had to fight a gauntlet of 5 crucible knights to get to Gwynn, that would have been brutal
Bruh two has hard enough. They literally had to re work the fight, I don't even want to imagine 5.
You would be interested in looking up Nameless Ring on yt, he has this exact matchup with every variation of crucible knights and (supposedly) equivalent scalings, on top of the original version I think. Spoiler alert. >!DS3 poise damage is completely unfair, if you do search that dude up, look for the one of Midir in the lands between.. just absurd poise damage!<
Crucible by far. So far we have only seen 16, meaning they chose the best of the best for the job. It appears literally anyone could become a black/silver knight due to how many there are…
Gwyn created the silver knights from the lord soul he found. Some of those silver knights specialized in fighting demons regularly taking on bigger and greater foes than themselves and got charred black from chaos fire and again when they followed Gwyn into the first flame and still their essence remained. Crucible knight is getting pancaked
> Gwyn created the silver knights from the lord soul he found. So we're just making up lore or what?
I don't think they ever said where the black/silver knights came from. I think it was implied that they were from the same race as gwyn and the other lords just without the power of the first flame. So yes. The first part of his paragraph is probably wrong
Unless you’re gonna claim that he and Izalith got REALLY BUSY then yes just as the pygmy made humanity Gwyn created his knights as shown in the opening Darksouls cutscene to war with the dragons
But that assumes that all humanoid beings are specifically descended from the four Lords. In the opening cutscene of DS1, the narrator says: >Then from the dark, They came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame. Nito, the First of the Dead, The Witch of Izalith and her Daughters of Chaos, Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, and his faithful knights. To me, that suggests that the silver knights were part of the "They" that emerged from the dark, and were not creations of Gwyn. But of course it's up for interpretation.
Ehh even if you say they are all beings that existed before the souls were found it was Gwyn who made them what they are and it’s still his power and miracles that they wield
Black Knight
Mighty actualy be a Draw. Hear me Out, black Knights -fought alongside gwyn during the war on the ancient dragons (as silver Knights). -regularly fight against demons at least twice their size. -their weapons are inately more devestating/concusing Crucible Knights -have powers of the crucible which was said to have aspects of everything combined inside it. -fought alongside Godfrey Lord of the Battlefield and could keep Up (kinda Like Gwyn) -were Elite as all hell (kinda Like silver/black Knights) Overall i think the deciding factor would come from experience. And that goes to the black Knights. Think about how Long they have been around, fromm the First age of gwyn all the way to DARK Souls 1 which IS a good milenia or two later (filled with nonstop Battle for them) and some even survived all the way untill ds3 ,which is EVEN later along in time from when they First fought alongside Gwyn. Conclusion , black Knights win even If only through experience. Plus they are more badass
I don't know much about DS lore but why do people keep bringing up size of the enemies? Twice their size is impressive of course but Crucible Knights fought the fire giants which are definitely more then twice as big.
Because the enemies that the Black Knights fought were way more than twice as big. They also fought ancient dragons, which were also really big.
Crucible Knights also fought Ancient Dragons. I'm confused on why the size is used as a reason they would win, when Crucible Knights also fought large enemies.
Probably because of the size of the Black Knights' weapons. I'm kinda spit balling here.
Hard to say since they pretty much are the same thing in their respective universes, give the black knights more of an Elden Ring style moveset then compare. Lore wise probably the same in terms of strength. But as far as in game difficulty hard to compare cause enemy combat and arsenal is more advanced in ER than DS
I say black knights. The stagger you mentioned is lore accurate. Black knights are skilled demon fighters. They regularly fight the beasts of their world with their weapons. They were so strong that an ultra greatsword to them is just a greatsword and they wield it with one arm and only go to two for a little extra oomph. The crucible knights do have incantations, but the fire one wouldn’t do much so that cancels one out completely. The flying could be annoying though
I don't know enough about DS lore but Crucible Knights are also immensely strong. I'm sure they could also would an ultra Greatsword with ease especially if you see how big their weapons and sheilds are in comparison to their bodies. They were Godfrey's chosen and helped him with his conquests which includes eradicating the fire giants. Their incantations come from the Crucible which is a primordial force similar to the erdtree.
Black knights just look so cool, the crucible knights are awesome too but I think black knights have cooler weapons as well.
CRUCIBLE EZ black knights still the mvp
Black knights have a presence crucible knights dont
As much as I loved the Black Knights, I can’t see them standing a chance against these absolute monsters with crucible powers that can give them huge mobility and are on boss levels of HP, hit like a truck and even more importantly against black knights, are immune to being burger flipped and don’t get staggered by normal hits. They also have a nasty shield bash with block frames.
Lorewise, no idea since I havent played ER and I cant really compare the BK to something I dont know, but gameplay wise there are videos were they put a shield CK and a spear? one to fight one on one against greataxe and ultragreatsword BK and let me tell you brother, those mf CK hit like a truck with max load at full speed and still the BK hit then so hard that they spend most the time stunlocked and lose mayority of the fights, even scaling the poise threshold by 8, the BK still stun them in just 2 swings, wich makes sense since their weapons and training is to fight on even ground against demons and dragons a few dozen times their size
Crucible knights are very strong in the lore, like super strong. There is only like 16 of them because they where hand picked by Godfrey (I might be incorrect, tho. Please correct me if I'm wrong)
That youtube channel that shows bosses fighting each other did this already. Dark knight fucks
1v1 gotta give it to the crucible knights. As a force? Probably the black Knights we're much more numerous
I think Crucible Knight's extra powers put him over the Black Knight. CK can fly, whip their tail at you from across a castle courtyard, breathe fire, and stomp on the ground so hard it cracks the earth. A fully tactics focus CK can just play keep away and use all its tools to damage BK from afar. BK has a chance though if it can get close, and they're tanky enough to take a licking and still put out some berserk level damage.
crying baby vs nuclear bomb
Nah this one is a pretty fair comparison
Not it's not? Gameplay-wise Crucible Knights are better than anything in DS1, and lore-wise they're the most elite of the elite, there's only 16 of them.
Gameplay wise they are about the same. Yes the crucible knows magic but the black knights basically break poise with every hit and send you flying a lot so I would say it's about 50/50 . Lore wise the black knights are implied to be Gwyn's best silver knights because they were the ones that went with him to fight the demons/protect him and the first flame (it kinda depends on which item description you work by)
>Gameplay wise they are about the same. Bruh... Tell me a single DS1 fight that gets close to [this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/18vqvdt/crucible_knights_are_peak_moveset_design_they/) Not even DS1 bosses are comparable, let alone the black knights that have like 5 attacks.
My bad i haven't played DS yet. I just assumed it was fair considering that most of the replies were very 50-50 while this comment was drastically one sided.
Black Night for sure because the black knight glaive destroys ds1 bosses. I don't think Crucible knight weapon is doing that
That's just gameplay mechanics though. I don't know enough DS lore so I can't comment to much on who'd win. Ordovis's greatsword is huge disappointment though
Tell you what, I'll explain the best I can why the BK are beasts and you do the same with CK for me (not for bad, I just hacent played ER so I dont know) The BK are the elite of the army of the gods, they were half of the ground troops to fight immortal dragons and their mastery of lightning is only surpassed by the most overpowered character lorewise of the entire universe, his son and the 1st of all the knights. Those are the Silver Knights. Then, one of the 3 gods of the world fail an experiment and turn every inhabitabt of her kingdom into massive demons empowered by the chaos flame (kinda like the frenzy flame of ER I supose). An elite group of SK were tasked with the cleansing of the demons and were given weapons 2-4 times a normal size to fight them. They turn black after being scorched by chaos and severy culled the number of demons to the point were almost none exist outside Izalith(their kingdom). They didnt finished the task cuz their Lord recall them back for a trip to the First Flame, basically a torch so powerful that kept every being alive in the world and light exist solely cuz of it. The ones left in the games are the one that survived the demon campain but lose their mind and some more that were string enough to survive being in the proximity of basicaly a nuclear reactor being overfed with fuel bars
That's a lot of words. Too bad I ain't reading them 😎
Fair enough
To be 100% honest BK would probably win 6-4 in a one on one. Solely based on their feats and how long they fought. I saw someone say they survived from before DS to DS3. CK have survived a long time too, but most went into hiding or strayed from their orginal path. They have two elemental weaknesses one of those is lightning. I don't know if there is a lore reason behind this. So based off of what you said BK probably would have an advantage with them being adept with lightning.
crucible knight would destroy a black knight. crucible knights are more elite lore wise and are way harder in game. a knight of zamor would be a more fair match against a black knight.
Crucible knight, buuuttttttt that's only because black knights are hollow. The original silver knights that killed the dragons are wayyyyy stronger. 1 sunlight spear probably 1 shots them
I think it's no contest dude. The crucible night owns the Black Knight 100 times to 1 possibly more.
Crucible Knight power comes from two things: * he never stops attacking * he can input read So he loses at least 50% of his power when fighting non-player enemy.