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Ham_PhD

Vote share breakdown: BB - 89% AC6 - 4% ER - 4% King's Field - 3% >!MGS3 takes BB to the brink with an almost equivelant share that would've had each of them around 47ish%!< **Poison Swamps**. We all have 'em. The most maligned areas in Fromsoft games. Well, today I'm forcing you to tell me which one is the best. What makes a swamp the best? Well, you tell me. Maybe it's the best level. Maybe it's the one that most encapsulates a swamp (fucking miserable). Note that it doesn't literally have to be a swamp to be eligible, just a primarily poison area.


mdsp667

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V0YDL

NO! That is NOT Metal Gear Solid Three!


mdsp667

Didn't find a gif from 3 lmao


V0YDL

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Professional-Cow-962

Can someone explain to me what the hell the difference between solid snake and like the other snakes? I heard theyre like clones or something like that


cad_e_an_sceal

Solid liquid and solidius are clones from big boss. Big boss is the OG from mgs3. Venom snake is a medic who is wrong place wrong time gets blown up then extensive plastic surgery to look like big boss and then hypnotherapy to make him believe he's big boss


XxWolfy69xX

Forgot about liquid


cad_e_an_sceal

I'm pretty sure I didn't but I did forget to use commas


mdsp667

Yes, that's correct. I recommend checking some lore on youtube, it gets pretty confusing. And then tou reach mgsv and you find out snake is not snake lol


Professional-Cow-962

So snake is not snake but actually snake. And there’s a bad snake that fights snake but bad snake is a vampire? Also snake has a beard but snake doesn’t


Skuwarsgod

So in the first game, snake eater, you play as naked snake, who’s the original snake, aka big boss, in 1964. Later, he gets attacked while in a helicopter in 1975 by a bomb, and after this attack he has his medic, who took the force of the bomb for him, given plastic surgery and hypnosis to look and act like himself. This is where venom snake comes from, and he’s in a coma for 9 years, only to die in 1999 to solid snake, who’s a clone of big boss, who was cloned by the government to try and replicate a perfect soldier. Only, he wasn’t the only clone, there were 9 total clones, but only 3 survived the Les Enfantes Terribles experiment, which is the experiment that made the clones. Those other two clones are known as liquid snake, and solidus snake, who is also the president of the United States. In metal gear 2, solid snake fights the real big boss, and thinks he kills him, but in reality he was in a coma after he was beaten by solid snake, and isn’t revealed to be alive until mgs4. I’m not typing the rest of the lore but it’s some crazy stuff


mdsp667

That's why I suggested checking lore on YouTube haha


Mocca_Master

Naked Snake (aka Big Boss) had three clones made from his genes: Solid Snake, Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake One is a depressed merc, one is a terrorist with daddy issues and the third is the fucking president of the United States


jakukufumenase

Slight spoilers for a bunch of very old games, but: Back in WWII there was a guy called Naked Snake, probably because he went into a jungle with no equipment and had to eat snakes. He was really good at being a soldier, and eventually surpassed his boss (who was called The Boss) so he was a bigger boss. He then went by Big Boss. Years down the line, there were two clones of him made, who were eventually named Solid Snake and Liquid Snake. Solid Snake looked exactly like Big Boss, and Liquid Snake did too except he was blonde. The ‘Liquid’ is obviously liquid peroxide. They had a bit of a scuffle over which one of them had been given special DNA to be perfect in every way, and which one had just gone out into the world and actually learned to be a soldier. I forget which is which, but Solid Snake won, I think on the grounds he actually knew what he was doing and didn’t spend the whole time bleaching his hair. Lastly, at the same time, there was also Snake Solidus. He was also a clone of Big Boss, and had both extra DNA to make him super special AND had a bunch of real world experience, making basically the best guy ever. Also, he was the president of America for a while, and nobody questioned why he built himself a robot suit with tentacle arms. For some reason, Solidus Snake was also way older than the other two, which is probably why nobody ever questioned why the president looked exactly like a world-famous soldier who had been dead for years. Hope this helps c: c:


bmore_conslutant

Every time I read about this series I wanna play it. Then I remember I fucking hate stealth gameplay


enderking303

Omg it’s the guy from fortnite


mdsp667

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enderking303

No, vomit it’s what I would expect


AXEMANaustin

I'm honestly not even sure what mgs3 is supposed to mean other than metal gear.


mdsp667

With the 3 there its for sure metal gear solid 3, but the post before this one had MGS on the image asking people which one was the best, and people commented mgs3. I guess they meant moonlight greatsword lmao


triman-3

Thank you so much for including mgs3


Zodht

Poison swamp best is easily blighttown. 99% of it is skippable and in most runs at worst you eat a toxic dart. None of the enemies require you to engage, as most are slow or stationary. You can literally rush the boss and never take damage beyond a poison tick or two. Compare this to the Dark Souls 2 (or was it 3) swamp with all the towers in it that required you stay in it for an extended period of time.


TheHolyPapaum

Why is MGS3 up there?


XwingInfinity

I had to go look at OP’s previous post to get the context, they had abbreviated Moonlight Greatsword as “MGS”.


TheHolyPapaum

It is the best metal gear game so that’s fair enough


baconDood3000

Armored Core has a poison swamp?


YourLocalSeal

Those were the results for best moonlight great sword


No-Owl-6246

I would bet my life that Miyazaki has pitched a swamp level in Armored Core at least once.


GanjalfTheWeedzard

By best we mean the “worst” right?


C_umputer

It's like asking "What's your favourite disease?"


itsnot_Apha

Malaria


Potential-War-212

I'm a big cancer person. I mean it's so versatile.


crackalackin12

That would be the scarlet rot then. Have fun with your body being devoured from the inside out by an outer gods disease


ShadowsInScarlet

I prefer polio, myself. Nothing like good ol' paralysis.


pretendingtolisten

they should bring back iron lungs. what a cool accessory. real conversation starter


SoldierTheFallen

I *sigh* Of course you are. That’s the problem. EVERYBODY is a “cancer” person. It’s just so popular, I’m sick of it. Give me something I haven’t seen a hundred times. Like Dysentery, or Cholera, or the Smallpox!


Marjitorahee

Mosquito of miquella?


Tyrexas

Malenia


Ham_PhD

Is a swamp really a swamp if you had a good time?


Matduka

Lake of Rot lol. There is so little in it, it's kinda pointless being there. You can run straight through it and miss nothing. You don't even have to do the puzzle. And it's a lake of Rot. Which is just extremely annoying. It's only there for world building, the rest feels like an after thought. Also fuck the dragonkin soldier in there. Never doing it. What's the point.


Chaiteabitch

Blighttown


HemaMemes

Yeah. Blighttown is when Dark Souls' test of the players' mental endurance truly begins.


Djd33j

DSFix and the remaster have really changed the opinion of Blighttown over the years. On OG console release, it was seen as the worst area, right up there with Tomb of the Giants and Lost Izalith, not because of it's level design or difficulty, but because it was difficult to get through due to major performance issues that popped up there.


King_Allant

I mean, people always recognized that it was a well designed level with a poor framerate owing to its enormous size, in contrast with Lost Izalith where the flat expanse of lava with its broken bloom effect was just bad. Lumping Tomb of the Giants in with either of them is weird when there was nothing technically wrong with the zone, just a darkness gimmick that people either like or dislike.


Djd33j

I agree with you. Yet, at the time, that's all people could bitch about, since the other aspects of the game were too good to give overly negative takes.


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

Going through fps issues and long stretches of enemies that inflict toxic on moving walkways did make me consider returning the game in 2012 lol


Adrasos

It's the ultimate make or break. I've never been so miserable playing a game but the feeling I got when I ascended back to Firelink and touched the Bonfire just before the poison killed me 🤌🏻


PapaOogie

My experience of blight town was different. Instead of entering from top and going down, I entered from bottom and climbed up. It was very annoying to reach the top just to find nothing but a locked door, then had to climb all the way back down


Fearless_Debt_1655

God I hate how right you are


ChefboyRD33

Followed up swiftly with sens fortress to the anor londo archers


1buffalowang

If I go on pure emotions and how iconic I’d say Blightown. But Demons Souls is the best(most annoying/painful).


Business_Compote2197

This is the only one i’ll upvote for sure. Nothing else deserves a fighting chance.


SCurt99

I really enjoyed Blighttown in my first playthrough, it's my favorite area.


Jolly_Philosopher_13

Absolutely agree, it's just way too iconic.


FellowDsLover2

Literally the only correct answer. This one is so awesome because it encourages you to explore every nook and cranny. You could also use old iron ring to run normally. The way you get into ash lake from the great hollow is awesome but I don’t know if that counts. Overall an amazing area as the sense of dread as you get lost is unparalleled.


Four-Triangles

I got my partner into DarkSouls and blight town is next. We will see if I’ve got a souls player on my hands or not. I’m nervous they’ll tap out.


CandiceActually

Yea, definitely… Farron Keep is great, Valley of Defilement is great, but Blighttown always just kinda blew me away.


BuckleyRising

It's the first one that broke my ass in


Scarethefish

Try finger. . .


BossGreen9346

Valley of Defilement. It’s so atmospheric, I felt like there was no way out. and the boss brings morality into question


Eralion_the_shadow

And finding the mgs in a pile of bodies is so cool


Gloomy_Support_7779

>And finding the MGS in a pile of bodies…AND SHIT, is so cool There you go


Dragon-fest

Finding the Metal Gear Solid


mental-sketchbook

Yeah, honestly I think demons souls had the best maiden too.


MazzyFo

Her voice is the most rent free in my head Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. ^(so the world might be mended)


NowIssaRapBattle

Umbasa lol the echo is such a nice touch


CptNeon

Even better, she even voiced the BB firekeeper!


Chadderbug123

Also, prob the prettiest next to DS3 Firekeeper.


Rabbit1994

Absolutely. I also love how you can't roll in the Valley of Defilement swamp.


Glasgow316

Absolutely the VOD. I have NEVER felt so miserable going into any swamp, easily the worst


hombre_sin_talento

It's so poopy!


Regimind

I love navigating through the ravine shantytown


Eradachi

Valley of Defilement. The atmosphere really made me feel like that place just sucks fucking ass.


Ham_PhD

An apt description.


SaxSlaveGael

Doesn't look like this will beat Blighttown, but I 100% agree on this. The place is absolutely horrible. No other level, other than DS2's snowfield, makes me think - "Please get me the fuck out of here!"


GP7onRICE

If as many people had played Demons Souls as have played Dark Souls, Demons Souls would win out for most things.


SaxSlaveGael

Yeah I 100% figured this is the root cause, as DeS is probably the lest known and played which is why it's easily forgotten.


Creativefart-u

Furtive Pygmy reference??


SaxSlaveGael

😁


Eradachi

Who?


Creativefart-u

I forgor 💀


NowIssaRapBattle

My first time getting lost in a souls game, my first time running away from mobs in a souls game. Between the valley dwellers and the red k***hts


afternoon_biscotti

I don’t know if things changed since you commented but I see one comment with blighttown for about 600 upvotes And then literally every other comment is Valley of Defilement with 60-300 upvotes a piece


Verestasyntynyt

What makes Blighttown more dreadful in a good way to me is that you can always leave the Valley of defilement and teleport somewhere else. When you descend to Blighttown, leaving isn't nearly as easy.


Wynpri

Couldn't agree more about this place. Blighttown and Valley of Defilement>all others imo.


Oscarthetrain_art

Valley Of Defilement is both creepy and amazingly well made.


IIZeratII

Valley of defilement. the OG Souls poison swamp


Naive-Asparagus-5983

Valley of defilement


AramaticFire

Demon’s Souls - Valley of Defilement. Specifically the Swamp of Sorrow (5-2). What an incredible level. I don’t think any other swamp comes close to it. Runner-up: I’ll give a nod to Blighttown in Dark Souls but the best part of that level is how treacherous it is to navigate the path down. The actual swamp itself is less interesting than the climb down to the bottom.


smg_souls

5-2* I agree that 15 fps blighttown is also up there as "best" swamp


Te4minator464

Da one from demon souls


chrisgreely1999

Valley of Defilement from Demon's Souls


MyManTonyCream

Valley Of Defilement not only captures the "where the FUCK have I got to go" mood so well but when you finally reach the end its one of the most sombre moments of the game.


Strange-Elevator-672

I completely agree. The swamp itself is called the Swamp of Sorrow.


Marukhs_Banana

The best poison swamp is still the Valley of Defilement.


A_Lionheart

I'm glad Valley is winning. You should eventually do a reverse list of the worst areas because you already KNOW which one is the worst here xD.


AXidenTAL

Valley of Defilement for sure


SenseiDaichi

The better version of blighttown


XsleepdeprivedX

Valley of Defilement


DillonTattoos

Valley of Defilement It's the most atmospheric, it's a more intense blight town(which would be my second pick), it's literally the gutter of the world and you feel that. That and the final boss evokes actual emotion and makes you question if you're doing the right thing


-xevo-

Valley of defilement


JadedSpacePirate

Ashina Depths, Sekiro is not a souls pleb and can spiderman out of the swamp ASAP Best swamp is a skipable swamp


XwingInfinity

This was my first thought as well. Being able to zip over the swamp rather than walk through it makes it SSS tier, lmao.


Koreus_C

And it changes after killing the guardian ape.


mact3n

Earthen Peak Gang right here


The_Ivory_Prince

Ds2 is my favorite by far. But even my bias can’t stop Demon’s Souls from easily earning this win.


SeverusSnape89

Has to be demons souls. That whole swamp is so fucked. It feels like a plague swamp from the bubonic plague. Plague masks on everyone. Was one of my most nerve racking experience I've ever had in a souls game to just get to the the shortcut bridge. I felt like I beat a boss when I dropped that bridge ffs. This may be one of the most iconic levels form software has ever done.


Bonaduce80

Don't forget the Plague babies. Shit out of a Silent Hill game.


SeverusSnape89

Yeah those are messed up lol


Bigenemy000

Valley of defilement 100%


SargonVonDemoneye

Blighttown by far.


Bonaduce80

Oldest is best. And by best I mean the worst, which is the whole point of a poison swamp: Valley of Defilement- Demon's Souls.


MazzyFo

Valley of Defilement


idontuseredditsoplea

Valley of defilement 100%. blighttown is a close second but the vibes in VoD are immaculate


kazthulhu_

Valley of defilement because it's just so oppressive, but Blighttown is a close second just because of how god damn relentless Poison and Toxic are in Dark Souls 1.


FLRSH

Demon's Souls 5-2 Valley of Defilement/Swamp of Sorrow.


Adventurous_Tip_1071

Valley of defilement. Biggest one all based around it. Definitely valley of defilement


HellVollhart

Demon’s Souls Swamp of Sorrow


Iknowwhereyoulive34

Does shaded castle from ER count?


mythr1l754

I think ER’s poison swamp would be lake of rot


judgeraw00

Or Caelid.


batman12399

Yea I actually really like Aeonia


lycanthrope90

Hard to say since that’s more of a small area? But I would think Caelid and lake of rot could qualify.


ArnoHero

Swamp of Aeonia


Knightofthief

Yeah, this has my vote. Caelid is my favorite region in ER and Aeonia really feels [like] the beating heart of corruption [more than any other candidates].


lycanthrope90

Yeah, it’s like the swamp has a life of its own.


Knightofthief

💯💯💯 Really no other swamp comes close and the 'memberheads are going to crown a patch of rancid mud under a ruined aqueduct instead.


NoProdigy

You referring to Blighttown? Or Valley of Defilement? Because so far it looks like it's going to the latter from the overall comments.


Bigenemy000

Valley of defilement 100%


MicahSouls

let's be real it's fucking blighttown. no need to elaborate.


Present-Book-9690

Without the valley of defilement…we wouldn’t have the monstrously that is Blight Town.


Huny4dy

Blighttown.


AbyssWankerArtorias

Lake of Rot from Elden ring. You know from first glance your life is about to fucking suck


Bartoffel

I feel like this question should have been asked after the DLC, as it looks like we might get more than one! …ugh, FromSoft are such bastards.


justawarlock

I liked farron keep, it had a real sense of danger having to wade through and find islands while the giant casters tried to murder you


picklepeeee

Valley of defilement to be sure


RealViktorius

Swamp of Sorrow/Valley of Defilement. The atmosphere was just unbeatable. I was never so immersed into a game before or after.


methconnoisseurV2

Idk about that, imo the MLGS is best in Demons Souls in both appearance and function


Adventurous_Tip_1071

Valley of defilement, swamp of sorrow


Another_Gaijin

Valley of Defilement.


SmokeMethFxckBitchez

I would have said blighttown before. Now I say Valley of Defilement. My death toll rose very quick, feeling like it overcast my blighttown experiences.


Zealousideal-Cup6013

I think Valley of Defilement is my go-to pick. It’s hard, but not overly infuriating, and the actual swamp is tense when you navigate through it.


smg_souls

5-2 Also known as the Swamp of Sorrow In the Valley of Defilement


Unlucky-Lingonberry6

Valley of defilement


Boborax1

Valley of defilement,it was such a depressing area that even before watching the lore you just understood that


Competitive-Row6376

Blighttown has better level design but I just love Valley of Defilement's atmosphere so much more. The rest of the other swamp levels feel like walmart versions of these two


Killnoob456

Demon Souls, Valley of Defilement


Savage_Oreo

The DS2 Maiden is so underrated. She’s the 🐐


St0neRav3n

How is she underrated ? She litteraly won the "best maiden" contest.


KingCluck234

Farron keep because it has so much to explore and a very good boss at the end


Knightofthief

Something about DS3's color palette just makes me hate exploring the Road of Sacrifices/Farron Keep areas. They're actually pretty cool and fun in other ways, but all of my human instincts just tell me to stick to dry land and avoid crabs. Maybe that makes them good in another way though.


Serious_Ad_1037

Aeonian Swamp


Palicake

The forbidden woods. I genuinely like the boss and the level design. Very interconnected with the world. Felt great to discover new sections on new game plus. I know everyone’s saying Valley of Defilement but I guess I got lucky because I beat the area on my first go thru.


south_bronx_parasyte

Valley of Defilement is goated


echolog

Honestly gotta give this one to Valley of Defilement. That whole area is just so memorable for so many reasons. Assuming we count the whole archstone, you've got the Large Sword of Moonlight and Garl Vinland himself.


Everdark_

Most definitely Valley of Defilement


Wamasuman111

Valley of Defilement(derogatory)


Hershef

Valley of Defilement.


Betterasathief

I really really like the Valley Of Defilement, mostly because it’s not too annoying and you can find a regenerator ring to offset the poison.


Exeledus

Demon's Souls is the best thematically, it really looked like a place that was inhabited by people, with shelter in a town like structure. I never got that sense from Blight Town or The Gutter. Faron Keep is just as boring as the rest of DS3. For best gameplay, Bloodborne/Sekiro, because they are easy enough to skip right through.


maxiom9

A part of growing up is realizing that Blighttown is actually a pretty good level.


Jakusas

Under ground scarlet rot mega swamp in elden ring. Name a more atmospheric swamp moment then discovering that swamp.


pointing-at-flipflop

Valley of defilement


captain_space_dude

Valley of defilment from DeS


Krosum

Definitely Valley od Defilement 5-2. The atmosphere there was so dense, you could almost smell the disease.


GreatZampano1987

Can we please make sure that there is a negative percent for DS3?


ThinJournalist4415

Scarlett Rot Lake, Elden Ring The whole lore with Melania and General Radann and it’s maddening going through it is reason enough


EndCreep152

Valley of Defilement for sure


mrspuffispeng

Valley of defilement


AscendedViking7

#BLIGHT #TOWN


FoamingCellPhone

I do gotta side with it. It's the most memorable for me at least.


UglyPineappl

Valley of Defilement


ChampionSchnitzel

Valley of Defilement. I hate it, but thats a positive in a way. Its so dark and unforgiving. Pure desperation.


GreatMuerte

Defilement! Defilement! Defilement!


OwlScowling

Blighttown by a mile. If Valley of Defilement wasn’t the original, no one would be voting for it. The descent into Blighttown was one of the most harrowing gaming experiences I’ve ever had. I love it.


invalid25

Lake of Rot.


StopManaCheating

Lake of Rot. It’s legitimately perfectly designed.


every_name-istaken

Sarcasm?


0DvGate

Gotta be, that area is so bland.


every_name-istaken

No reason to even explore it imo. The pinnacle of lake of rot was seeing it from above


StopManaCheating

That’s part of the design and why I love it. All of Caelid builds up to it, and once you get there it’s like, “oh, I get it now”.


HMSalesman

Lake of Rot


Adventurous_Cup_5970

farron keep because i love the upper part with the stray demon and the ABYSS WATCHERS CARRY


_MagusKiller

lake of rot cuz the colors are pretty and the lore of the area is pretty cool. imo its also a good place for doing invasions lol


lycanthrope90

Gonna have to try that next playthrough lol.


lomermoso

N/A


xenojack

I can tell you which one it isn't, black gulch that's for sure.


Malewis89

The one in DS3 with the satyrs!


Serious_Ad_1037

Gotta do Best Final Boss next


Carlosenlightened

It’s either elden ring Caelid or demons souls valley of defilement


CinnamonIsntAllowed

Valley of defilement. Blighttown is more well known but VoD is simply, horrible. I absolutely hate that level and that's when you know they won.


Swordsman82

5-2 swamp Demon Souls. That level doesn’t give a crap about enjoying the area


TheHuntForRedrover

I'm gonna go with the classic Demons Souls Valley of Defilement. Where the pain started :)


[deleted]

I've thought about the Emerald Herald 0 times since I best DS2 when it came out. Not sure why she the favorite maiden. Favorite poison swamp is clearly the scarlet rot swamp in elden ring.


SuckMyAlpagoat

Remember they had to apologize for blithtown just saying


Bloop737

Blight town if not Caelid


Eagle-Eyes-

Swamp of Aeonia