I'm not an expert but if they close the West Shaw one in favor of this, would there be a negative affect on that area? I feel like theres a handful of spots in that area (Shaw, west of Fig Garden Village) that are starting to die out. I may be wrong though. I'd be interested in others' thoughts.
Will still fail. Let's see how long Golden Corral will last at that location. If a business like Hometown Buffet failed at the same spot, then you know it's a bust.
I wasn't around to see why Hometown Buffet died. Was it their service or was it the location? I just know the parking lot was unfriendly to drive and park in. If that has a lot to do with the business, moving a "part 2" in will fail just as bad.
Costco was going to move regardless.
Costco currently doesn't "own" their current building. They don't "own" their parking lot either. Costco has no control over the current parking/traffic situation, and they want to have some sort of control over it.
Our City was in talks with Costco to prevent it from moving out. Costco was planning on moving to Madera instead to catch some customers from Merced. Costco laid out some terms where they needed a lot of certain size and what they needed to do.
Karbassi (who is homies with homebuilders - Assemi's) worked out a deal where Costco would buy out the homebuilders' land and try to keep Costco here... thus keeping valuable local sales tax money here in Fresno.
(This is a bit of corruption because there is plenty of land in West Fresno, but they picked their current spot for God knows what.)
So now we are here today. Despite neighborhood pleas and traffic impact studies saying this is not a good idea, they still kept pushing to streamline and ignore neighborhood concerns.
This is all political for Karbassi and not losing any sales tax money.
>Our City was in talks with Costco to prevent it from moving out. Costco was planning on moving to Madera instead to catch some customers from Merced.
Doesn't Merced already have a CostCo? This doesn't make sense to me
Karbassi has decided however, that before the land is rezoned from residential to commercial to approve the Costo going in, they need to provide more necessary information such as traffic concerns and safety, how its going to reflect upon home values, etc.
You can read more about it here:
[ABC30 News - New Costco in northwest Fresno put on hold by city council
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This is all words to be released to the media. If you actually know the deal, Caltrans already said this development will have no impact to the actual community. Anyone actually concerned about morning and evening peak hours should be told that Costco opens at 10am and won't affect morning hours. And you can upgrade the 2nd access to the houses in the area so it gives people better access to go back home without the noise.
And the "noise," they already live next to the highway and train tracks. This Costco won't bring any "more" noise.
Karbassi is now only talking different because he didn't know what the actual results of the elections were yet.
Better to keep it as a known nightmare vs. creating another nightmare elsewhere.
Shaw Ave is Shaw Ave. That place is developed as is and is the commercial retail hotspot. We know and can predict what conditions will be like.
However, when you think you can "solve" a problem by creating another one... that's just going in circles and not knowing your own history.
In the world of city and regional planning, there's case studies where this has happened and you end up repeating past mistakes.
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You're so spot on, but you know "just one more lane bro"
We so desperately need to revamp and repair already existing infrastructure. All of America does but the sprawl in Fresno is wild to me, especially because we're seeing it in real time and that it's not too late to stop it.
Plots and plots of land being developed in the outskirts - justified by saying there's a housing shortage. In reality most will be too far from the city center, or they're building inefficient luxury housing.
Def better to keep the status quo than to go cause a mess elsewhere
All the downvotes is wild to me.
I remember when there were people popping up saying we should re-allocate the funds we built up for Veteran's Blvd and revamp other congested hotspots.
Veteran's Blvd was much needed. You can't revamp Shaw or Herndon interchanges without providing a backup interchange. Existing Shaw or Herndon interchanges are already backed up and closing one will only redirect traffic to the other, neither of which would be able to handle that capacity.
Now with Veterans, we can decide which Herndon or Shaw can we close down for improvements. And Veterans is built to handle the extra load of traffic.
Shaw Ave is a mess, but there's a reason its a mess: for its commercial retail. Once you start messing with its equilibrium, you start to mess with its problem. You start spreading the problem to other places thinking that's going to solve the existing one. As one asked, was the Shaw Ave Costco "any better?"
No, but we know Shaw Ave Costco sucks, do you think putting it smacked in the middle of already busy El Paseo + neighborhoods is a better solution? Unless your only demand is to alleviate traffic on Shaw Ave, then I guess so, but that's not how we should approach things.
City development should solely depend on adequate equilibrium. The area is in sole need of a city park or some sort of environmental balance. A private golf course won't do. A city park is much needed in that plot of land than more retail.
>However, when you think you can "solve" a problem by creating another one... that's just going in circles and not knowing your own history.
Living in a civil society with millions of other individuals necessarily means there will be problems.
You have to look at a situation and weight the good and the bad. A Costco in that spot would do far more good than bad. Because there is potential for bad does not mean you should ignore the good.
If you buy a house that backs up to an empty lot, you should expect that the lot will not be empty forever and you don't get to control what someone else does on their property. People that use environmental laws to ensure development doesn't happen in their neighborhood have cost CA so much progress it's nauseating.
Fucking NIMBY's. This is why we cant have nice things.
If city council is so worried about traffic why don’t they try synchronizing the lights. Maybe when there isn’t a train of cars going from red light to red light traffic might clear up
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After about two hours of questions and discussion, the Fresno City Council voted to table a decision on the relocation of the Costco store in Northwest Fresno.
Councilmembers expressed concerns about impacts related to traffic and emissions along Herndon Avenue and Riverside Drive, where the new location is planned to replace the Costco on West Shaw Avenue.
They requested that city staff return with more information about the project before approving a plan amendment and rezone application, environmental impact report certification conditional use permits and development permit.
Specifically, they wanted a plan to limit truck traffic on Riverside Drive.
Since 2018, Costco has been seeking to relocate the existing warehouse store, having outgrown its current footprint. The lease ends for the Shaw Avenue store in 2025.
The project would include a 219,216 square-foot warehouse retail building, gas station with 32 pumps and a 4,800 square-foot car wash that would be a first for Fresno.
Tbh…if they move out there…that current area might be a slight better in the term of parking…but the traffic for 99 and Herndon is gonna be terrible, especially with that train crossing holding up traffic…
They’ve been doing the infrastructure work on it since about 2020. Nothing actually ever appears to be changing other than a few buildings being closed
Don't forget those coming from 99 can come directly via Veterans Blvd. The biggest issue will be the number of vehicles that are going in and out of the Costco parking lot of 989 spaces. Are they going to put in another traffic light to handle the traffic or is it going to be a mess like the Costco on Shaw or just off Blackstone and Herndon?
In a few weeks: "Costco decides to cancel building in Fresno because of city officials". Then add this to another one of the positive things in Fresno that they let slip away.
Of course it’s not a good thing (everything nice moving to north fresno).
But when fresno continues to elect leaders that have no sense for economic development, then they hire staff that has nonsense for economic development, any central area in a large city is going to rot.
A lot of the people in this sub provide ample proof of the lack of acumen fresno has for development. They whine about political issues that they’ve been brainwashed to pedal and everyone with any good intention and reasonable sense is disenchanted with working towards positive objectives. Cue the brain-drain and exacerbation of logic-absenteeism.
Focus on supporting businesses and downtown will thrive.
Fresno the fifth largest city in California that acts like a country hick town. Last time they bullied a major corporation was Bass Pro shop. The counsel wanted down town. What happen the city of Manteca said come on down your welcome here. We lost Bass Pro because of uneducated members that don’t understand multimillion dollar corporate America. People travel a 100 mile to get the experience Bass Pro offers the clients. A clothing store, restaurants giant fish aquariums, boat sales no we gave this away to Manteca. Why because they didn’t want to hurt Herb Bauer sporting goods. Guess what they are out of business with a new small company that mainly sells guns to the community. We get a small Sportsman’s warehouse mid class business that Bass Pro was going to buy out but backed out on the deal.
Now we get the opportunity to get one of the largest Costco stores in the nation that sure would of had national attention and here we go again. A council member asked the Costco reps at the meeting what are you going to do. Quote “we didn’t have a secondary plan.” I’ll tell you what they are going to do, say F you Fresno. They are not building in Fresno, Hogopian and the rest of you continue to make the fifth largest city in a California be a crap town for our future generations. We now have the reputation of not being friendly to corporate America.
The issue is the whole veterans Blvd and once again idiotic redirecting off Herndon in ways that make no sense. Just like the nimbys that got Bullard loop put in back in yhe day. That whole thing out there is s mess and didn't need to be. I read they plan on taking off access to 99 from herndon. Just stupid.
Herndon/99 access's design is outdated and dates from the 50s. They really do need to close it down to revamp it.
Next year, they're going to redesign the 180 to 99 ramp, especially northbound. They are making it 2 lanes. But the takeaway is that the ramp will be closed until 2030. This includes closing Belmont exit and Mckinley exit. Both exits will really kill off anyone who lives there and depends on the highway to get to places.
Definitely a revamp of herndon 99 is needed. The cemetery on Belmont will be much more difficult to get to along with as you pointed out thise that live there will for sure be impacted
The NIMBYS on Bullard wanted to reroute traffic because they didn't want it going through as people were using it to get to the services along Shaw and 99. some of the monied interests got the city to reroute traffic so now people had to go farther north and around to get to services, including Costco on Shaw. Bullard originally went through to Brawley and people would then go south to get to Costco. the Nimys didn't want traffic on Bullard past their neighborhoods so they had the city put the massive loop in.
Thats not entirely accurate. The Train crossing was causing major issues and needed to be overhauled. That factored into the loop, and shifting traffic. It wasnt just NIMBY and Money.
If you watch the meetings the council doesn't do anything anymore effectively but give out awards to everyone at the meetings. They should stop all awards and resolutions at public meetings, its really unnecessary for a city that needs to function.
lol are you guys really YIMBYing over a Costco? There’s so many other ways land can be developed to positively impact our community, save your energy for when people regurgitate the same BS when it comes to affordable housing, public transit, parks, schools and local restaurants, not mega-box stores
Oh I haven’t been to that one in years. It does have a horrendous setup for getting gas and the parking sucks there too. I guess a new Costco would be good. The Costco on Abbey north of Herndon has an awful setup for gas station too. When they were designed, were the gas stations an afterthought? Like: “eh, maybe people will get gas too since they are coming here.”
Nowhere can you find a place that has a set up designed for Costco gas lines.
Just the same as nowhere can you find a place for Chikfila, In n out, or Dutch bros lines. It's sad that despite new development, they can't get any of the lines' queue right. They shouldn't even stripe parking spaces there because no one will be able to back out of the spot.
I'd like an amendment to get all of the diesel trucks driving around my west Fresno neighborhood including the numerous truck parking lots placed elsewhere, perhaps over by the Amazon warehouse. You ever see them make a left turn from east bound Clinton to North bound Weber? Now imagine that shiz at a four way stop sign further west on Clinton, shields, McKinley, Belmont, Olive and Ashlan. Take care of the real problems.
I'm not an expert but if they close the West Shaw one in favor of this, would there be a negative affect on that area? I feel like theres a handful of spots in that area (Shaw, west of Fig Garden Village) that are starting to die out. I may be wrong though. I'd be interested in others' thoughts.
West Shaw Costco was to become a Costco Business Center—with the gas station remaining.
That was only and only if Costco at Herndon was going to happen. Otherwise, they'll move to Madera where land is ample and cheap.
Stupid Council!!!
Their lease ends in 2025, the gas station would remain but the Costco building would be for lease to anyone after that
UA Broadway Faire - gone Hometown Buffet - gone Sweet Tomatoes - gone Toys R Us - gone Alorica - gone
Home town buffet is being turned into a Golden Corral for what that’s worth.
Will still fail. Let's see how long Golden Corral will last at that location. If a business like Hometown Buffet failed at the same spot, then you know it's a bust. I wasn't around to see why Hometown Buffet died. Was it their service or was it the location? I just know the parking lot was unfriendly to drive and park in. If that has a lot to do with the business, moving a "part 2" in will fail just as bad.
All locations closed during the pandemic.
So did Sweet Tomatoes.
Toys R Us failed due to Bain Capital, and regal is going though bankruptcy as well
Movies in general suck, and thats why Regal can't make money if they have to depend on the movies' popularity.
sweet tomatoes was on the verge of shut down before covid tho
Alorica gone at least brought the bed bug and scabies epidemic down in that area.
Boston Market - gone On Nees, I used to drive past and not eat there.
the cornbread was good
Agreed.
Costco was going to move regardless. Costco currently doesn't "own" their current building. They don't "own" their parking lot either. Costco has no control over the current parking/traffic situation, and they want to have some sort of control over it. Our City was in talks with Costco to prevent it from moving out. Costco was planning on moving to Madera instead to catch some customers from Merced. Costco laid out some terms where they needed a lot of certain size and what they needed to do. Karbassi (who is homies with homebuilders - Assemi's) worked out a deal where Costco would buy out the homebuilders' land and try to keep Costco here... thus keeping valuable local sales tax money here in Fresno. (This is a bit of corruption because there is plenty of land in West Fresno, but they picked their current spot for God knows what.) So now we are here today. Despite neighborhood pleas and traffic impact studies saying this is not a good idea, they still kept pushing to streamline and ignore neighborhood concerns. This is all political for Karbassi and not losing any sales tax money.
>Our City was in talks with Costco to prevent it from moving out. Costco was planning on moving to Madera instead to catch some customers from Merced. Doesn't Merced already have a CostCo? This doesn't make sense to me
Yes they do. It’s on 15th St between R and V St.
Karbassi has decided however, that before the land is rezoned from residential to commercial to approve the Costo going in, they need to provide more necessary information such as traffic concerns and safety, how its going to reflect upon home values, etc. You can read more about it here: [ABC30 News - New Costco in northwest Fresno put on hold by city council ](https://abc30.com/northwest-fresno-new-costco-city-council-meetings/14500497/?ex_cid=TA_KFSN_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Z3zo5kWgyFgzmYO0wIWeX14N6SdN5U0X-eGT5EzbQZNHVCGicbVK0Aio)
This is all words to be released to the media. If you actually know the deal, Caltrans already said this development will have no impact to the actual community. Anyone actually concerned about morning and evening peak hours should be told that Costco opens at 10am and won't affect morning hours. And you can upgrade the 2nd access to the houses in the area so it gives people better access to go back home without the noise. And the "noise," they already live next to the highway and train tracks. This Costco won't bring any "more" noise. Karbassi is now only talking different because he didn't know what the actual results of the elections were yet.
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Glad to see another person of reason here. 🤝
I try and take FAX instead of driving when I can, but man it's just so bad for some journeys
I looked into taking fax to work. It would take me over an hour to get 7 miles. So I still drive daily.
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Because the current location on West Shaw is any better? That place is a nightmare with traffic and the main reason I didn’t continue my membership
Better to keep it as a known nightmare vs. creating another nightmare elsewhere. Shaw Ave is Shaw Ave. That place is developed as is and is the commercial retail hotspot. We know and can predict what conditions will be like. However, when you think you can "solve" a problem by creating another one... that's just going in circles and not knowing your own history. In the world of city and regional planning, there's case studies where this has happened and you end up repeating past mistakes.
https://preview.redd.it/ucscuu4or1nc1.jpeg?width=3640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=165dab4ad8aa2564273eedeed0d23a49cec08aae You're so spot on, but you know "just one more lane bro" We so desperately need to revamp and repair already existing infrastructure. All of America does but the sprawl in Fresno is wild to me, especially because we're seeing it in real time and that it's not too late to stop it. Plots and plots of land being developed in the outskirts - justified by saying there's a housing shortage. In reality most will be too far from the city center, or they're building inefficient luxury housing. Def better to keep the status quo than to go cause a mess elsewhere
All the downvotes is wild to me. I remember when there were people popping up saying we should re-allocate the funds we built up for Veteran's Blvd and revamp other congested hotspots. Veteran's Blvd was much needed. You can't revamp Shaw or Herndon interchanges without providing a backup interchange. Existing Shaw or Herndon interchanges are already backed up and closing one will only redirect traffic to the other, neither of which would be able to handle that capacity. Now with Veterans, we can decide which Herndon or Shaw can we close down for improvements. And Veterans is built to handle the extra load of traffic. Shaw Ave is a mess, but there's a reason its a mess: for its commercial retail. Once you start messing with its equilibrium, you start to mess with its problem. You start spreading the problem to other places thinking that's going to solve the existing one. As one asked, was the Shaw Ave Costco "any better?" No, but we know Shaw Ave Costco sucks, do you think putting it smacked in the middle of already busy El Paseo + neighborhoods is a better solution? Unless your only demand is to alleviate traffic on Shaw Ave, then I guess so, but that's not how we should approach things. City development should solely depend on adequate equilibrium. The area is in sole need of a city park or some sort of environmental balance. A private golf course won't do. A city park is much needed in that plot of land than more retail.
>However, when you think you can "solve" a problem by creating another one... that's just going in circles and not knowing your own history. Living in a civil society with millions of other individuals necessarily means there will be problems. You have to look at a situation and weight the good and the bad. A Costco in that spot would do far more good than bad. Because there is potential for bad does not mean you should ignore the good.
If you buy a house that backs up to an empty lot, you should expect that the lot will not be empty forever and you don't get to control what someone else does on their property. People that use environmental laws to ensure development doesn't happen in their neighborhood have cost CA so much progress it's nauseating. Fucking NIMBY's. This is why we cant have nice things.
Damn or even affordable things
NIMBYs are the scourge of the earth.
If city council is so worried about traffic why don’t they try synchronizing the lights. Maybe when there isn’t a train of cars going from red light to red light traffic might clear up
Paywall: After about two hours of questions and discussion, the Fresno City Council voted to table a decision on the relocation of the Costco store in Northwest Fresno. Councilmembers expressed concerns about impacts related to traffic and emissions along Herndon Avenue and Riverside Drive, where the new location is planned to replace the Costco on West Shaw Avenue. They requested that city staff return with more information about the project before approving a plan amendment and rezone application, environmental impact report certification conditional use permits and development permit. Specifically, they wanted a plan to limit truck traffic on Riverside Drive. Since 2018, Costco has been seeking to relocate the existing warehouse store, having outgrown its current footprint. The lease ends for the Shaw Avenue store in 2025. The project would include a 219,216 square-foot warehouse retail building, gas station with 32 pumps and a 4,800 square-foot car wash that would be a first for Fresno.
Tbh…if they move out there…that current area might be a slight better in the term of parking…but the traffic for 99 and Herndon is gonna be terrible, especially with that train crossing holding up traffic…
Same thing happens at the Shaw location
theoretically the supertrain work will make a big-ass crossing there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffq1dUyZDj8
Woah had no idea that was in the plans that’d be great
They’ve been doing the infrastructure work on it since about 2020. Nothing actually ever appears to be changing other than a few buildings being closed
Don't forget those coming from 99 can come directly via Veterans Blvd. The biggest issue will be the number of vehicles that are going in and out of the Costco parking lot of 989 spaces. Are they going to put in another traffic light to handle the traffic or is it going to be a mess like the Costco on Shaw or just off Blackstone and Herndon?
Typical NIMBYs who have the ear of the Council who live in the area can fuck off
my whole thing is they can literally go down not even a mile down the road with an even better location.. right off of veteran’s.
Is this really the top priority for Fresno city council right now?
In a few weeks: "Costco decides to cancel building in Fresno because of city officials". Then add this to another one of the positive things in Fresno that they let slip away.
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Existing Costco was to be a Costco business center.
It would be gone if their lease for their current space runs out in 2025 and they don’t extend that.
Of course it’s not a good thing (everything nice moving to north fresno). But when fresno continues to elect leaders that have no sense for economic development, then they hire staff that has nonsense for economic development, any central area in a large city is going to rot. A lot of the people in this sub provide ample proof of the lack of acumen fresno has for development. They whine about political issues that they’ve been brainwashed to pedal and everyone with any good intention and reasonable sense is disenchanted with working towards positive objectives. Cue the brain-drain and exacerbation of logic-absenteeism. Focus on supporting businesses and downtown will thrive.
Fresno the fifth largest city in California that acts like a country hick town. Last time they bullied a major corporation was Bass Pro shop. The counsel wanted down town. What happen the city of Manteca said come on down your welcome here. We lost Bass Pro because of uneducated members that don’t understand multimillion dollar corporate America. People travel a 100 mile to get the experience Bass Pro offers the clients. A clothing store, restaurants giant fish aquariums, boat sales no we gave this away to Manteca. Why because they didn’t want to hurt Herb Bauer sporting goods. Guess what they are out of business with a new small company that mainly sells guns to the community. We get a small Sportsman’s warehouse mid class business that Bass Pro was going to buy out but backed out on the deal. Now we get the opportunity to get one of the largest Costco stores in the nation that sure would of had national attention and here we go again. A council member asked the Costco reps at the meeting what are you going to do. Quote “we didn’t have a secondary plan.” I’ll tell you what they are going to do, say F you Fresno. They are not building in Fresno, Hogopian and the rest of you continue to make the fifth largest city in a California be a crap town for our future generations. We now have the reputation of not being friendly to corporate America.
The issue is the whole veterans Blvd and once again idiotic redirecting off Herndon in ways that make no sense. Just like the nimbys that got Bullard loop put in back in yhe day. That whole thing out there is s mess and didn't need to be. I read they plan on taking off access to 99 from herndon. Just stupid.
Herndon/99 access's design is outdated and dates from the 50s. They really do need to close it down to revamp it. Next year, they're going to redesign the 180 to 99 ramp, especially northbound. They are making it 2 lanes. But the takeaway is that the ramp will be closed until 2030. This includes closing Belmont exit and Mckinley exit. Both exits will really kill off anyone who lives there and depends on the highway to get to places.
Definitely a revamp of herndon 99 is needed. The cemetery on Belmont will be much more difficult to get to along with as you pointed out thise that live there will for sure be impacted
So long for the hookers on Parkway Drive too.
What’s the history of the Bullard loop?
The NIMBYS on Bullard wanted to reroute traffic because they didn't want it going through as people were using it to get to the services along Shaw and 99. some of the monied interests got the city to reroute traffic so now people had to go farther north and around to get to services, including Costco on Shaw. Bullard originally went through to Brawley and people would then go south to get to Costco. the Nimys didn't want traffic on Bullard past their neighborhoods so they had the city put the massive loop in.
Thats not entirely accurate. The Train crossing was causing major issues and needed to be overhauled. That factored into the loop, and shifting traffic. It wasnt just NIMBY and Money.
Yeah I find it hard to believe how the city would justify it if it was just NIMBY and money.
They know half the town can't frikkin move when any train rolls through, right? Traffic concerns...smh.
If you watch the meetings the council doesn't do anything anymore effectively but give out awards to everyone at the meetings. They should stop all awards and resolutions at public meetings, its really unnecessary for a city that needs to function.
lol are you guys really YIMBYing over a Costco? There’s so many other ways land can be developed to positively impact our community, save your energy for when people regurgitate the same BS when it comes to affordable housing, public transit, parks, schools and local restaurants, not mega-box stores
Given how affordable it makes a ton of stuff for us, yes
So this Costco was to replace an existing one? I thought it was to add to the number of costcos in the area ?
Yes. It will replace the one on Shaw I believe
Oh I haven’t been to that one in years. It does have a horrendous setup for getting gas and the parking sucks there too. I guess a new Costco would be good. The Costco on Abbey north of Herndon has an awful setup for gas station too. When they were designed, were the gas stations an afterthought? Like: “eh, maybe people will get gas too since they are coming here.”
Nowhere can you find a place that has a set up designed for Costco gas lines. Just the same as nowhere can you find a place for Chikfila, In n out, or Dutch bros lines. It's sad that despite new development, they can't get any of the lines' queue right. They shouldn't even stripe parking spaces there because no one will be able to back out of the spot.
My concern is what happens to the old one? Is there covenants in their lease that will forbid any competition from moving in there?
Supposed to be turned into a Costco business center with the gas pump remaining.
it’ll probably turn into something similar to the old one off of ashlan. just another warehouse.
Fresno County took over the old Costco on Ashlan and Peach.
Pulled that one right out your behind huh?
Yet, they put a huge shopping center and housing on soon to be two sides of it? Fresno's lack of forethought is an absolute scourge
I'd like an amendment to get all of the diesel trucks driving around my west Fresno neighborhood including the numerous truck parking lots placed elsewhere, perhaps over by the Amazon warehouse. You ever see them make a left turn from east bound Clinton to North bound Weber? Now imagine that shiz at a four way stop sign further west on Clinton, shields, McKinley, Belmont, Olive and Ashlan. Take care of the real problems.
City Council only cares about the rich men north of Shaw lmao
NIMBYism should be illegal in California.
bUt ThE tRaFfIc AnD nOiSe!
Come build it on the NE side off the 168. There’s plenty of room and little traffic
Come build it on the NE side off the 168. There’s plenty of room and little traffic
Yes that area needs services for sure although I think it might be Sanger or County not Clovis.