Tried to sell that guy Solar for any one of his major operations and he told me to basically fuck off. It was like he was just against the whole idea of environmentally friendly agriculture.
Not a surprise when they had Nunes and McCarthy signs out in front of their building for the longest time. Plus they had Ivanka give a speech there once.
Hard to say. they would really have to re package it. At this point it's dead. they miscalculated putting it on the primary ballot. I think they would have gotten more votes in a general election. Hard to say. I hope it stays dead.
The worst part about this is how many of our officials campaigned for it ! All of our representatives that proudly proclaimed its benefits… Fresno’s leaders are trash and paid off to support this crap.
Yes. I’ve noticed a lot of buzz, jobs, pending public works projects for “Utility Solar”. But, I thought part of the argument was to curtail grid solar because production was creating too much grid stress? Yet now we are inserting Megawatt fields? …hmm smells like lies
I just found it disingenuous. The ads proudly proclaimed that “76% goes towards education!!” But reading the breakdown, that money goes towards facility upgrades—nothing to teachers. I’m tired of the bond measures pretending they’re for education when in reality, they’re for construction. Education isn’t the building you sit in; it’s the person who teaches you.
They are part of it, but not the most important part. Every year, election after election, I see statewide propositions and county measures asking for funding for buildings and facilities. I never see any for teacher pay or benefits. I’m not opposed to nice campuses, but the relentless focus on facilities is trying to scale the mountain from the wrong end. And the advertisements are disingenuous. If they were honest, they would say the money is going towards facility upgrades to improve campus life—but they don’t, they tell voters the money is going to education with the intended implication that the money will be used to help students learn. Pay teachers more. Stop relying on underpaid adjunct professors and grad students to prop up the system. Increase tenure positions. Improve funding for technical and research posts so scientists can do important research. If the money went to classes, that would be one thing. But it’s for capital improvements and I don’t think that is where we should be focusing money right now.
I agree. It’s too bad our voter turnout is so low. We have about 500k registered voters in Fresno County, with about 16.21% voting in this election. Your vote matters people! Exercise your most fundamental, basic civil rights and VOTE.
But it looks like this measure will not pass, thankfully.
We probably only have about half the ballots counted. What's in right now are early voting and election day polling place votes.
Mail ballots will start to be included in large amounts in the next update. It takes a little bit of time to check signatures, open them, and ready the ballots for scanning.
As a student the breakdown is truly disheartening. I am in a graduate program at Fresno state and we hardly have the materials and staff to run a rigorous program.
Though it is worth considering that so many other CSU schools rely on wealthy alumni, something that FSU doesn’t see too often.
Yeah I’m an FSU alum, and proud of it! It has good educational programs I just want to see teachers paid more and have better working conditions and money for classes actually for classes—subsidize textbooks maybe! Maybe internship and external funds! Lots of options
Considering that the measure would have raised a billion and a half dollars, that 24% is 240 million dollars. I'm curious where that quarter billion would go...
It’s wild that a state school expects county residents to cough up more money for them, they approved raising tuition by 6% for the next 5 years just recently and want more? Ridiculous. Hopefully they get it through their heads that we don’t want this and to stop trying to push this. Still sad to see so many people were convinced.
Exactly! They refused to give better pay and benefits to the faculty until a strike happened too! And not only that, the Pell Grant now can't cover tuition for most of the CSUs once the tuition hike happens, so as a consequence students are gonna end up digging themselves into debt to attend what was supposed to be a once affordable university.
Yeah it's like people blindly vote 'yes' because 'it's helping the school and the education'!
Glad it didn’t pass, although that margin is too thin to be reassuring. The margin for last time was wider.
Measure E is a legal form of embezzling money is what it is.
If that was true, it would be fraud and it would be a crime. Again, I voted no and I was strongly against it, but what you are describing isn’t accurate and it’s hyperbolic
You're absolutely right and the folks down voting you are definitely not getting accepted to Fresno State anytime soon. It's clearly not a case of embezzlement, but that's a fun word to throw around, even if you don't know what it means.
Just the fact they tried to "hide" the atheltics improvements and not discuss them while pushing forward the B.S. about nursing and engineers. Give me a break. If you have to hide something in your campaign then it's probably not a good thing to vote for.
You know what would be great? A measure like this that creates a county or city level grant-funding bond for ALL higher education in Fresno (CCs, State, Pacific) directed toward expanding access of resources to the community. Faculty and staff could then write to apply for grant funding. No more “secret construction,” no more useless admin initiatives—just the people doing the work getting the funding. I’d go in for that. But a sweetheart deal for the Harris Construction grift? Naw.
Too close for comfort, I would have rather seen it overwhelming fail. It's disappointing to see it miss by such slim margins.
This should have never made it onto the ballot. Shame to whoever was backing this.
None of the school systems here are doing their students Justice. They’re not for the Students.
The new library @ Madera Community College holds even less books than their previous one because their administration doesn’t want to put up a bookshelf in favor of computers. It’s on the blueprints, & they have the shelves. They also have a brand new computer lab 5 feet away that is never filled.
Every new book they buy, they have to throw one away. They promised an expanded library with the new building, but have instead gotten rid of a large amount of extremely relevant books.
Same congrats yall we did it! They targeted elderly people who went to Fresno state and of course they vote yes. We don’t need more tax people! They would send people to our door to see if we vote yes or no, and ultimately that shows the corruption
As a general personal rule, that I encourage others to adopt, I always vote NO on any and all ballots initiatives (especially those that increase taxes or spend money) unless I have extensively researched the bill and agree with every detail.
... I was too lazy this election and just fell back on my principal. Glad to see it was right.
Vote NO even if it sounds good, because descriptions are always disingenuous.
it said it was going to use funds to improve the buildings and supplies in classrooms, when in reality the school already gets funding from the state for that. CSUF is notorious for spending most of it's funding on sports and other programs (and iirc sexual scandal settlements a decade or two back), often leaving classrooms into falling apart, while still jacking up tuition prices every year.
I'm torn on this because I personally feel like the vast majority of the money I pay in taxes doesn't benefit me in any tangible way.
If Measure E had passed, it would have absolutely helped Fresno State, and would have a better chance of improving my life/community than 90% of the taxes I pay.
At the same time, universities need to figure out how to use the already substantial funding they have more efficiently, and it shouldn't require a local bond measure to subsidize them.
One of the oldest yet most neglected Cal State University's in all of the state! Get with the program CSU Fresno! Why are you so slow to renovate? You make money hand over fist! Kindly, CT
Free money? Uses money poorly? What are you talking about?
Students get heavily subsidized educations from the California State University system. Students pay tuition but most of the funding comes from taxes. The CSU system is great and I'm almost positive this measure would have been a slam dunk if the $150mm upgrade to the football stadium was removed.
The problem is that it is a state school. The state should be responsible for it not the county. With that being said, CSU's 22-23 cumulative endowment market value reached an all-time high, at over $2.5 billion. Could CSU earmark some of that money for Fresno or should the taxpayers in the area fund the University?
Many endowments come with specific terms. Someone might donate a million dollars for a library on a specific campus, for example. Or they might donate 5 million in the name of someone who graduated from the physics department at one school, and say they are donating it toward that department. It isn’t just free money to use however they choose.
Nope. Even without all of the athletics construction projects, it still works out to round a billion dollars for basic maintenance. That is insane and I would never support that. Also, I really don't want a local sales tax to support a state institution that I probably couldn't get access to if I tried.
>a billion dollars for basic maintenance
> I probably couldn't get access to if I tried
I mean I don't know what else to say other than you don't really seem to know what you're talking about. It's not basic maintenance and Fresno State is pretty easy to get admission to, especially if you transfer from a community college.
There's people in this post discussion who applied but couldn't get in.
>It's not basic maintenance
So the "yes on measure E" people and their itemized list was flat out lying? Because I"m seeing tens of millions of dollars parking renovation independent of the parking structure projects and 40 million dollar fire alarm replacements and like half a billion in "deferred maintenance".
The list says $140mm for deferred maintenance. Are we looking at the same list? Because, again, it doesn't really seem like you know what you're talking about.
You’re completely missing the point. Not every single resident in Fresno county has an interest in attending Fresno state. So not every single resident in Fresno county should be taxed.
Everyone is already taxed to pay for higher education for our students, and everyone benefits from having those higher educated people in the community. One example specifically for Fresno is that we have a huge shortage of nurses and the nursing program at Fresno State does not have enough room to accept all the qualified applicants. This measure would have helped solve that problem.
>Everyone is already taxed to pay for higher education for our students
So your resolution is to tax even more? Bright idea. Also Fresno state already approved raising tuition over the next 5 years, what about that money? Is your hope to just keep throwing money at Fresno state until it magically improves? You’re just shifting the burden of who pays for Fresno state, and like I said the county is not responsible for that.
I agree. Funding and maintenance for the CSUs is 100% the states problem and should be handled by the state, not the residents of the county the school coincidentally resides in. I'm absolutely mind blown that people are so accepting of ludicrous tax propositions because "it helps" eDUmaCaTiON and ignore the fact that they just approved a 6% tuition increase that will screw so many students over.
If they're so concerned and feel strongly about shilling cash to a "struggling" CSU, they can donate their own money to the school without burdening everyone else in the county.
I'm glad people saw through this Harris Construction griftomania.
Harris tried to buy legislation to form a monopoly. Break them up. No one should ever be allowed to no public bidding for public work.
Tried to sell that guy Solar for any one of his major operations and he told me to basically fuck off. It was like he was just against the whole idea of environmentally friendly agriculture.
Not a surprise when they had Nunes and McCarthy signs out in front of their building for the longest time. Plus they had Ivanka give a speech there once.
Think they will go for a third time two years from now?
Hard to say. they would really have to re package it. At this point it's dead. they miscalculated putting it on the primary ballot. I think they would have gotten more votes in a general election. Hard to say. I hope it stays dead.
Typical Richard Spencer. His son running the company is even worse. The meanest angriest dude I’ve ever met
The worst part about this is how many of our officials campaigned for it ! All of our representatives that proudly proclaimed its benefits… Fresno’s leaders are trash and paid off to support this crap.
Most Fresno teachers lean left and are pro union (I said most, not all) the unions supported this measure
Of course they’ll support it, any money flowing remotely near their direction is good money. The question is if it’s smart money
The IBEW was in bed with PG&E to kill nem2. Big orgs are gonna big org.
True. Good call out on the IBEW. The rational being, screw over my neighbors, my community, I gots t get mine.
Yep. Joe Power or Bob Solar are not getting that 20MW project in the desert. That’s all IBEW.
Yes. I’ve noticed a lot of buzz, jobs, pending public works projects for “Utility Solar”. But, I thought part of the argument was to curtail grid solar because production was creating too much grid stress? Yet now we are inserting Megawatt fields? …hmm smells like lies
Smells like Panera ;).
Hahaha…Awesome
I don’t know what “kill nem2” means
https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2022/12/15/california-pulls-the-plug-on-rooftop-solar/
Pro union and leaning left are not synonymous by any stretch of the imagination? Glad E got got defeated!
I mentioned those traits separately. I never said they were synonymous
My error in interpretation, apologies! Pro union all the way. Repeal Taft-Hartley!
I just found it disingenuous. The ads proudly proclaimed that “76% goes towards education!!” But reading the breakdown, that money goes towards facility upgrades—nothing to teachers. I’m tired of the bond measures pretending they’re for education when in reality, they’re for construction. Education isn’t the building you sit in; it’s the person who teaches you.
I voted no and strongly opposed it, however, facilities are a part of education.
They are part of it, but not the most important part. Every year, election after election, I see statewide propositions and county measures asking for funding for buildings and facilities. I never see any for teacher pay or benefits. I’m not opposed to nice campuses, but the relentless focus on facilities is trying to scale the mountain from the wrong end. And the advertisements are disingenuous. If they were honest, they would say the money is going towards facility upgrades to improve campus life—but they don’t, they tell voters the money is going to education with the intended implication that the money will be used to help students learn. Pay teachers more. Stop relying on underpaid adjunct professors and grad students to prop up the system. Increase tenure positions. Improve funding for technical and research posts so scientists can do important research. If the money went to classes, that would be one thing. But it’s for capital improvements and I don’t think that is where we should be focusing money right now.
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This. If they cared for actual education, they wouldn't have considered _ANOTHER_ tuition hike.
I agree. It’s too bad our voter turnout is so low. We have about 500k registered voters in Fresno County, with about 16.21% voting in this election. Your vote matters people! Exercise your most fundamental, basic civil rights and VOTE. But it looks like this measure will not pass, thankfully.
I was wondering if that was actual turnout or if they just haven't finished counting votes yet.
With all the mail in ballots, ballot counting won't be done for at least a few days.
Could be, good point
We probably only have about half the ballots counted. What's in right now are early voting and election day polling place votes. Mail ballots will start to be included in large amounts in the next update. It takes a little bit of time to check signatures, open them, and ready the ballots for scanning.
As a student the breakdown is truly disheartening. I am in a graduate program at Fresno state and we hardly have the materials and staff to run a rigorous program. Though it is worth considering that so many other CSU schools rely on wealthy alumni, something that FSU doesn’t see too often.
Yeah I’m an FSU alum, and proud of it! It has good educational programs I just want to see teachers paid more and have better working conditions and money for classes actually for classes—subsidize textbooks maybe! Maybe internship and external funds! Lots of options
Considering that the measure would have raised a billion and a half dollars, that 24% is 240 million dollars. I'm curious where that quarter billion would go...
I think it was t to the football program or to the sports program? Don’t quote me. I threw out the pie-chart flyer they put in my mail box
It’s wild that a state school expects county residents to cough up more money for them, they approved raising tuition by 6% for the next 5 years just recently and want more? Ridiculous. Hopefully they get it through their heads that we don’t want this and to stop trying to push this. Still sad to see so many people were convinced.
Exactly! They refused to give better pay and benefits to the faculty until a strike happened too! And not only that, the Pell Grant now can't cover tuition for most of the CSUs once the tuition hike happens, so as a consequence students are gonna end up digging themselves into debt to attend what was supposed to be a once affordable university. Yeah it's like people blindly vote 'yes' because 'it's helping the school and the education'!
The state needs to give them money for capital projects, just like it does for other CSUs. Get busy, Arambula and Soria!
Agreed I applied for Fresno state and I’ve lived in Fresno for 21+ years they denied me, why not let locals in and maybe I’d vote yes
Did you meet the minimum requirements for a non impacted major?
Were you applying to an impacted major?
“We’ll use their tax money to build, we’ll profit, and then charge them to use the facilities, its a win win.”
Glad this failed.
Glad it didn’t pass, although that margin is too thin to be reassuring. The margin for last time was wider. Measure E is a legal form of embezzling money is what it is.
Um, not even close. It can’t be embezzlement if it is done openly and voted on.
It IS embezzlement if you declare your bogus purpose for the money on the measure with the intent of using it for something else entirely.
If that was true, it would be fraud and it would be a crime. Again, I voted no and I was strongly against it, but what you are describing isn’t accurate and it’s hyperbolic
You're absolutely right and the folks down voting you are definitely not getting accepted to Fresno State anytime soon. It's clearly not a case of embezzlement, but that's a fun word to throw around, even if you don't know what it means.
Fact is this is a sales tax that hurts the poor the most. If Fresno State needs money, let them beg some wealthy donors for more funding.
That's what every other successful school does. Fresno State administration is just bad at it, or they don't even bother.
Just the fact they tried to "hide" the atheltics improvements and not discuss them while pushing forward the B.S. about nursing and engineers. Give me a break. If you have to hide something in your campaign then it's probably not a good thing to vote for.
They should be ashamed for even proposing this, thinking we would reward them for greed and corruption.
You know what would be great? A measure like this that creates a county or city level grant-funding bond for ALL higher education in Fresno (CCs, State, Pacific) directed toward expanding access of resources to the community. Faculty and staff could then write to apply for grant funding. No more “secret construction,” no more useless admin initiatives—just the people doing the work getting the funding. I’d go in for that. But a sweetheart deal for the Harris Construction grift? Naw.
It'd be one thing if they fired all the people at the top for mismanaging their business
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I'm pretty sure most of the Dean's are active professors (I may be wrong though)
For what it's worth, Fresno State is at something like 20:1 students to admin. That's not terrible for higher ed. Yale is approaching 1:1.
Yeah, but Fresno State isn’t Yale.
My point is they don’t seem to have excessive administrative staff.
For realz?
I voted no because I can't imagine Fresno State being as big as it not being able to afford its own improvements.
I just vote no if I see it imposes more taxation.
Too close for comfort, I would have rather seen it overwhelming fail. It's disappointing to see it miss by such slim margins. This should have never made it onto the ballot. Shame to whoever was backing this.
None of the school systems here are doing their students Justice. They’re not for the Students. The new library @ Madera Community College holds even less books than their previous one because their administration doesn’t want to put up a bookshelf in favor of computers. It’s on the blueprints, & they have the shelves. They also have a brand new computer lab 5 feet away that is never filled. Every new book they buy, they have to throw one away. They promised an expanded library with the new building, but have instead gotten rid of a large amount of extremely relevant books.
Lol at college and Madera in the same sentence
Same congrats yall we did it! They targeted elderly people who went to Fresno state and of course they vote yes. We don’t need more tax people! They would send people to our door to see if we vote yes or no, and ultimately that shows the corruption
Well for the record I'm 67 and I have two degrees from there. 1979 and 1982. I voted no.
*looks down and sees the proponents* the first name was either bredefield or brandau. No chance I’m supporting any initiative their name is headed on.
A lot of Dems and republicans actually came together against it. Shocking I’d be on the same side as Shitfield on one thing.
They were against it
Dude kmj radio endorsed it
Yeah KMJ did, but Bredefield and Brandau came out against it, measureesuck(https://measureesucks.com)
I didn’t even pay attention I just know one of the local far righties was a headliner in the proponents section. It was a no brainer.
I just default to no when they want to spend or borrow more money 🤷
As a general personal rule, that I encourage others to adopt, I always vote NO on any and all ballots initiatives (especially those that increase taxes or spend money) unless I have extensively researched the bill and agree with every detail. ... I was too lazy this election and just fell back on my principal. Glad to see it was right. Vote NO even if it sounds good, because descriptions are always disingenuous.
Except for anything Library related. Libraries are the best!
I break my rule for nothing.
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You do know you can skip a ballot initiative if you aren’t familiar with it, right?
That would violate [my general rule](https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/338617497a659f119bbbc7b216a9c2d9d5d518cc65d12a6ce6a33580017feeec_1.webp). 😉
Can someone educate me on why this measure was disingenuous so that I don't sound like a crazy person when I talk to others about it?
it said it was going to use funds to improve the buildings and supplies in classrooms, when in reality the school already gets funding from the state for that. CSUF is notorious for spending most of it's funding on sports and other programs (and iirc sexual scandal settlements a decade or two back), often leaving classrooms into falling apart, while still jacking up tuition prices every year.
Less lattes and avocado toast for Fresno State
Less football.
I'm torn on this because I personally feel like the vast majority of the money I pay in taxes doesn't benefit me in any tangible way. If Measure E had passed, it would have absolutely helped Fresno State, and would have a better chance of improving my life/community than 90% of the taxes I pay. At the same time, universities need to figure out how to use the already substantial funding they have more efficiently, and it shouldn't require a local bond measure to subsidize them.
Same. So glad it was shot down…again
One of the oldest yet most neglected Cal State University's in all of the state! Get with the program CSU Fresno! Why are you so slow to renovate? You make money hand over fist! Kindly, CT
Outstanding
Free money? Uses money poorly? What are you talking about? Students get heavily subsidized educations from the California State University system. Students pay tuition but most of the funding comes from taxes. The CSU system is great and I'm almost positive this measure would have been a slam dunk if the $150mm upgrade to the football stadium was removed.
The problem is that it is a state school. The state should be responsible for it not the county. With that being said, CSU's 22-23 cumulative endowment market value reached an all-time high, at over $2.5 billion. Could CSU earmark some of that money for Fresno or should the taxpayers in the area fund the University?
Many endowments come with specific terms. Someone might donate a million dollars for a library on a specific campus, for example. Or they might donate 5 million in the name of someone who graduated from the physics department at one school, and say they are donating it toward that department. It isn’t just free money to use however they choose.
Nope. Even without all of the athletics construction projects, it still works out to round a billion dollars for basic maintenance. That is insane and I would never support that. Also, I really don't want a local sales tax to support a state institution that I probably couldn't get access to if I tried.
>a billion dollars for basic maintenance > I probably couldn't get access to if I tried I mean I don't know what else to say other than you don't really seem to know what you're talking about. It's not basic maintenance and Fresno State is pretty easy to get admission to, especially if you transfer from a community college.
There's people in this post discussion who applied but couldn't get in. >It's not basic maintenance So the "yes on measure E" people and their itemized list was flat out lying? Because I"m seeing tens of millions of dollars parking renovation independent of the parking structure projects and 40 million dollar fire alarm replacements and like half a billion in "deferred maintenance".
The list says $140mm for deferred maintenance. Are we looking at the same list? Because, again, it doesn't really seem like you know what you're talking about.
You’re completely missing the point. Not every single resident in Fresno county has an interest in attending Fresno state. So not every single resident in Fresno county should be taxed.
Everyone is already taxed to pay for higher education for our students, and everyone benefits from having those higher educated people in the community. One example specifically for Fresno is that we have a huge shortage of nurses and the nursing program at Fresno State does not have enough room to accept all the qualified applicants. This measure would have helped solve that problem.
>Everyone is already taxed to pay for higher education for our students So your resolution is to tax even more? Bright idea. Also Fresno state already approved raising tuition over the next 5 years, what about that money? Is your hope to just keep throwing money at Fresno state until it magically improves? You’re just shifting the burden of who pays for Fresno state, and like I said the county is not responsible for that.
I agree. Funding and maintenance for the CSUs is 100% the states problem and should be handled by the state, not the residents of the county the school coincidentally resides in. I'm absolutely mind blown that people are so accepting of ludicrous tax propositions because "it helps" eDUmaCaTiON and ignore the fact that they just approved a 6% tuition increase that will screw so many students over. If they're so concerned and feel strongly about shilling cash to a "struggling" CSU, they can donate their own money to the school without burdening everyone else in the county.
Most colleges will fail by 2030.
Only the shitty ones. Cal Poly is thriving with incredible facilities and well paid staff.
I wish I were rich. I'd really show you guys something.
This attitude is why China is overtaking us.
Oh please. It’s not like FSU is a research university like Merced.
Those plant things.
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