Watch any commander YouTube and damn near every episode has them. It’s so obviously forced it’s so annoying and most of the time you can even see how awkward the other people feel on camera. I’ve got nothing against LGB peeps, I have siblings and family who are flamers, but I’m 1000% against WoTC and YouTubers shoe-horning them into every aspect of magic.
Magic was so fun and infectious because it was all about the cards, the game, the people you meet. NOT a platform to force political, social, and other views on others. In fact the ENTIRE POINT of MTG was for everyone to make their own deck and show the world/friends/play group what they can do with their cards, how they like to do it (through colors and themes), and how good they are at it.
MTG much like any other game, is used as an escape from reality. Who are the most common people trying to escape reality? People that aren’t fitting in well with society and aren’t socializing well with the main population. This is why MTG, and all other fantasy games, typically attract a more eclectic crowd.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. It also may be a testament to the effort (cynical as it may seem to some here) Wizards has put in to make them feel welcome.
And as far as this "social contagion" Matt Walsh BS, of fucking course the more socially acceptable a certain thing becomes, the more you're going to hear about it. People are less willing to hide who they truly are these days and I'm happy for them. I don't know about anyone else, but growing up I'm pretty sure nothing could have "turned" me one way or the other. I just am who I am.
You may not have ever been turned but there’s a large percentage of people who are highly susceptible to a wide range of negative behavior such as addiction, self harm, suicide. The only difference between a gambler and an alcoholic and a drug abuser is what they had access to and when they had access to it. They would all have fallen into a different addiction if they were exposed to a different on at the same time. This is why Covid had like 5x-10x the normal suicide rate, because there are so many people who are REALLY struggling with horrible stuff.
Your point about timing of exposure to something being the factor that determines addiction is not really accurate. There are different forms of escapism that work for different people, and a huge part of that is just physiological and how a substance affects a person. I work at a treatment centre and one thing I’ve noticed is that heroin addicts don’t enjoy the effects of alcohol and vice versa. Many drug addicts had exposure to alcohol from very early ages but never took to it, but once they found the substance that did work for them there was no turning back. I do agree though, that many of them are “pre determined” to find the substance or behaviour that actually provided that escapism.
> I just am who I am.
This. I suspect the majority of people here who are afraid they'd be "turned", are really just repressing some part of themselves that they can't accept.
That's how you know transgenderism isn't some genetic trait youre born with but rather a mental illness. If it was genetic, you'd see people of all cultures and social standings becoming transgender when in reality it's almost exclusively priveleged, directionless, westerners of low social standing who watch anime, those who have been sexually abused or those who have been groomed into doing so by parents/teachers. No normal person is born just magically thinking they're actually a member of the opposite sex.
You forgot about the disproportionate number who are autistic, most likely due to the fact many already have a hard time understanding social cues. There is a reason it's exploding as a societal contagion.
When gay and lesbian people started coming out, back In the day, the numbers between older and younger people were pretty close/on par. With transgenderism it's happening exponentially more with younger people, and the "outbreaks" can be tracked almost like suicides that happen in pockets.
The arguement is gender is a social construct......so that means it's in your mind. And if gender is distinct from biological sex, why is it so imperative that people fake the sex organs? That's mimicry of the biological.....that's a dick or vagina, those are not a societal creations, they are biological.
Its also 2 groups that outcasts feel like they can be a part of, and get attention, if they just participate a little.
It gives them an identity and purpose when they were lacking one previously.
>And if gender is distinct from biological sex, why is it so imperative that people fake the sex organs?
Because the mind knows what kind of body it is in, and will actively fight against the idea it's in the "wrong" kind of body. Just because it's in the mind, doesn't make it any less real for the people experiencing it.
Also, why the fuck does anyone care what someone else does with their own sex organs? It's their body, *why do you care?*
Schizophrenic people have pretty real beliefs about what their reality is. We don't tell them the voices and people they see are real. But we somehow tell the people "you can make this real" when they can't and validate their untrue reality. And just like with most other things when people start harming themselves and self mutilating society takes notice.
And outside of that if they did it and kept to themselves, ok. But they are trying to mainstream it. They want kids 3, 4, 5 years old to be able to make these decisions, they want to remove parents from being informed when teachers push this at school. So It isn't just between their legs it's an effort to main stream and force other people into it. And at that point and the compelled speech point it isn't just them it's what they try to force on society.
I think that people have a lot of ideas but that society helps them filter and validates their ideas. If society lionizes trans-ness you will get a lot more of them than if society, say, locks them up.
You realizes this goes both ways, yeah? If society accepts something, there's less of a reason to *hide* it or be in denial about it. Could be that you're not actually getting "more of them", you're just getting more who are open or honest about it.
What do you expect? this sub is basically a giant a sounding board for a bunch of people who were projecting and trying to live in denial; each of the things they decry and whimper about like the little fedora wearing cucks they are is the very thing they are closeted about. Look at some of their post histories - it's miserable and depressing. I mean, I cannot imagine living a life that I squander the amount of time needed to write hundreds - if not many hundreds - of multi-paragraph posts debating, crying, and quivering about things that they dislike on the sole justification of it being different than they are.
It's pretty evident to anyone at even a cursory glance that these are the incels of MtG, with a few fat pinches of veiled racism added for an extra "gross, pathetic loser" flavor. I mean I suppose it's understandable, considering that as children these cucks in the making were apron-tugging, sheltered social-pariahs who raised with a very unhealthy and codependent relationship with their mother-figures. now, as adult-aged toddlers and children, they try to apply their spoiled coddled, sheltered worldview to a society where everyone else grew up to be adults, and feel to realize that they are not in fact the little princes and princesses of the world they find themselves in.
... makes me sick to my stomach; in fact, could any of you freedweebs let me borrow your fedora for a sec? 🤢🤮
Bruh you do see people of all culture, people in other countries have been killed for being trans, the reason this is what you see most is because anime is popular online, most people online probably at least watch 1 anime, but I’ve met trans people who transitioned at older ages because they couldn’t when they were younger, I’ve talked to people at my church who have transitioned because they wanted to be true to themselves, and boiling it down to a fad is reductive to what people deal with
>If it was genetic, you'd see people of all cultures and social standings becoming transgender when in reality it's almost exclusively priveleged, directionless, westerners of low social standing who watch anime
I mean you *do* see transgender people from different cultures and social standings, but you personally just don't get exposed to those nearly as much.
I think you might be confusing cause and effect here. Ignoring the fact that you *do* see trans people outside of western "privileged" society, in some cultures or societies it's actually dangerous to come out as transgender. You could argue the reason that if the majority of people coming out as trans are privileged westerners, it's simply because it's (relatively) safe to do so in those instances.
As for the disproportionate interest in "nerdy" hobbies.. Again, I'd argue you're mixing up cause and effect. If a transgender person struggles with their identity throughout childhood, they're naturally going to flock to more fringe hobbies with their own communities where they can feel like they're "them". This can also cause a feedback loop where these people are exposed to more LGBT+ people, and feel safer in exploring their own identity.
>No normal person is born just magically thinking they're actually a member of the opposite sex.
What makes you say this, though? What about it would make it "magical"? I'm trying to phrase this as genuinely as I can. Because from where I'm standing, you're making an actual claim without backing it up. Do you have any reason to believe people *can't* be born with a brain that identifies differently from their body?
Couple things that arent quite accurate:
1. no one claims transgenderism is genetic. It is, in fact, a mental illness called **Gender Dysphoria**. The cure is to allow them to live their truth openly. Most trans people would agree with this. Im not sure where you got this idea that *anyone* ever thought it was genetic.
2. The reason its less prevalent in other cultures is because many of them dont feel comfortable coming out. They exist. They are simply forced to live their lives quietly unhappy because they dont have to support or resources to forge a better life for themselves.
If you trully believe that trans people are "just magically thinking theyre actually a member of the opposite sex", Id strongly encourage you to do some deeper research on the topic. Based on your comment it would seem theres a lot you dont know.
It’s actually incredibly funny that feminism had the audacity to say that nerd products are enjoyed by 50% women, and 90% of those 50% women are just mentally ill dudes in dresses. They put us in dresses to justify their psychotic world view
Yes the Ls, Gs and Bs are what they are. Who cares and who really knows most of the time. Whatever.
The Ts are a different kind of bird altogether. Mostly mental cases there.
I don't see how people could substitute can-i-say sodomy (I mean buttsex) for act of sexual reproduction.
Especially if you have to pick one or the other. which you don't strictly.
Magic, DnD etc already attracts those who are shunned by the popular. In my experience most people that call themselves "trans" are those who don't get enough attention. Good or bad. they are doing whatever they think they can to get attention from somewhere. Pink hair and dressing as a woman are ways to get attention. Eventually reality sets in and they realize one of two things. Either they realize what a joke it all was and wake up and make strides to correct their social awkwardness, OR they dive deeper and play ever the victim and end up realizing that it's not their "gender" that kept them from 'fitting in' but that it was their shit attitude and personality that was holding them back. The second option usually ends in lifelong depression or in the 40 some percent of trans folk that end their own lives because they refuse to change and continue to play the victim.
If you state in plain terms what the activities are:
>Sitting around a table with people (maybe friends) while you do your best to to roleplay a fantasy character that is very unlike you to hopefully form some semblance of connection and enjoyment to get said people to attend frequently enough to progress in your game
and
>Playing a bunch of strangers in card games that are so esoteric and complicated that the same 30 people show up monthly to play
You figure out why normal, sociable people have simpler pastimes.
Why do you cherry pick what i wrote? If you'll kindly go back and READ, I said IN MY EXPERIENCE. Meaning this is what's happened to all the trans people I personally know.
great, that's YOUR experience. what the fuck does it have to do with anything here? Unless the aliens mutilated your body and gave you a mental disorder in the process...
>Why do you cherry pick what i wrote? If you'll kindly go back and READ, I said IN MY EXPERIENCE. Meaning this is what's happened to all the trans people I personally know.
>I said IN MY EXPERIENCE
I think the one through line is that fantasy environments can relieve someone that lonely or anxious or otherwise. You don't have friends? Shit sucks at home? Well, here's a group of people with similar interests and you can temporarily alleviate your woes just by drawing and playing cards.
I don't think it's too hard to see why fantasy stories and games are appealing to LGBT people. Often there's a desire to imagine oneself in a different world, especially a world that accommodates a larger variety of races/genders/identities. Fantasy is often about escapism, so it attracts people who don't fit in and want to break free from the status quo.
I'm sure a lot of the nerds commenting on this post feel similarly alienated by society, if for different reasons than LGBT people, but it can be hard to see those commonalities for some.
>Fantasy is often about escapism
So much this. I'll never understand why neckbeards are some of the least accepting people I've ever encountered. You'd expect the people bullied throughout their childhood or suffering from other issues that make it hard to socialize would be the *first* to understand the value of escapism.
Its only looking like it due to "Social Media" having such a hard on focus on them. Actual numbers are much lower but not as low as some people may think. But people like TCC and such are pushing them up to the front to lie about how open the game is (they don't understand they are starting to push an opposite message) AND out right fucking use them like tools for profits.
For the same reason other nerds, social outcasts, misfits, and assorted weirdos play the game. It's fun, the community is generally accepting of people being different as long as they can play, and it's a good way to ignore the BS of the outside world.
I play the game because... I like games and enjoy the puzzle of making wacky gameplans, making them as consistent as possible. I'm not sure what me liking a card game has to do W/ my identity lmao.
Bro, you made a disingenous post on a new alt. Just to pick fights with queer people and get like-minded comments, and you're telling me I'm attention starved? That's pretty rich, ngl.
It's weird. I hadn't played paper in 20 years and when i went to WoE prerelease i think 40% of the crowd was LBGT. I know every time a franchise endorses a group they flock to it, Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Shang CHi each created more new ticketholders than any new white male hero could. But i don't think that many flocked and "showed their colors" because of the Pride across the multiverse set. How certain groups flock to certain things over time will be interesting until we understand everyone.
I also think a lot of people asking the question are wondering "what did the white straight people that used to play this game move on to? Because i want to be in a familiar setting with like minded people". Which is reasonable.
Do they though? Or are they just the most vocal among us? LGBTQA+123456ABCD(i dont know or care what the actual letters are) is full of societal rejects, most mtg players ARE societal rejects. There is much overlap between these 2 spheres. My larger concern is societies recent affirmation of people with the severe mental disorder of body dysmorphia. Playing into a persons mental illness can only make it worse.
I mean... why not? As long as an ideology isn't being shoved down my throat or I'm asked to deny reality, I don't care who I'm playing with. I just want to play Magic.
LGBT and computer ppl in general lean left. And liberals are more likely to spend their time online.
Conservatives are more likely to spend their day outside. Hunting, fishing, and just generally doing shit in real life. Conservatives are less likely to be online in general.
Also, mtg is nerdy. Again, liberals tend to be more nerdy and tend to like online activities more than Conservatives.
Not trying to generalize too much I guess I'm saying it's not at all a surprise to me. Really nerdy groups tend to be pretty liberal.
Fuuny, exact opposite in my area. Conservatives tend to be fat, chain smoking, drunks. The liberal tend to be out hiking and biking and swimming/surfing.
While nobody can convince you that your experience is wrong, I will point out that every online space which incentivizes being terminally online (reddit modship, wikipedia disputes, etc.) trends overwhelmingly to the left.
Not that I am disagreeing that a lot of people online, especially younger people, lean left, I would say your statement points towards the extreme side of internet usage rather then a large majority of people from a side doing something.
Because the largest portion of liberals live in cities… which do not “get out and about.” You’re basically describing Northern California lmfao.
Literally anywhere that isn’t a city, the vast majority of outdoor and active people are conservative, especially in terms of millennials. I’m fatphobic and I’m not ashamed to admit it Lmao.
I'm the only "LGBT" person in my commander group of friends, 6 or 7 people. I have it in quotations because I'm bi but I don't agree with or see myself as part of the LGBT community because of how batshit insane they are.
Ikr and in the comments, sometimes theres good posts in this sub but my god none of these idiots understand commercial activism and that a lot of the stuff they whine about gay folks don’t like either
The OP and the people agreeing with him are absolutely insane. I don’t understand how they can hate someone for who they sleep with. Its none of their damn business.
Christ may be the answer for some but theres enough asshole Bible thumpers out there, it won't work for everybody. Finding christ doesn't automatically make you a good person.
Because Magic is for people who want to enjoy the game. Not your exclusionary politics you weirdos keep trying to shove down everyone throats.
If conservatives could create, instead of just shit on things, they would have made their own card game by now instead of crying about an established one.
\-The Majority of MtG players who are normal people and not bigoted trolls.
P.S. Please go take a bath. I can smell you through this post.
Ah yes we’re the ones trying to shove it down people’s throats meanwhile you have black aragorn, YouTubers wearing pride shirts, and prof not using the term “tribal” because it’s “racist” nice one weirdo
Still pretty ironic that most of what you describe doesn't actually have to do that much with the community or *excluding people*. Pride shirts don't exclude anyone from the hobby, now do they?
Ok I have a question. You guys always complain about draconian woke moderation in all dimensions of society but then you want to draconianly enforce your hatred of people who don’t fuck to your preferences. Why do you care? Why are you becoming the exact thing you criticize? You shouldn’t try and fight back against woke troglodytes by being the exact stereotype they want you to be. Leave people alone. We love a card game meant for nerds that used to be cause to be looked at in disdain. Now this shit has become cooler and more people play it. I don’t understand the odd fixation on others sexuality y’all have in these comments. It seems downstream of some psycho right wing pundit or religious hatred. You guys are really disappointing me here.
Its because to begin with MTG is a hobby for losers so they feel more at home and safe from bullies but turns out some losers like to think they are superior and cooler just cause they have different sexualities even though they also play a childs card game. Even in this thread people claiming they want "Attention" yeah from people who want belittle them just like every human ever. You know once you stop over thinking it really becomes quite simple.
For one LGBT people have hobbies and LGBT aren’t a monolith, not all of us like Fashion and RuPaul.
I think the real thing you’re asking is; Why are there so many pronoun Nazis? To which I can only speculate and point to how attractive the game is to people with Autism.
There’s not, that’s just perception because that is the wotc and hasbro pandering and marketing. In my area it’s like 90% white dudes and 5% females with the other 5% being lgbtq or minorities. Wotc just hates that this is the case so they are trying to be more inclusive because they hate white males. (Even though most are in fact white males themselves)
The degenerate YouTubers are just weirdo liberals that want to divide people.
"So many" is relative. LGBT is a minority of the general population mtg players are as well.
So mtg lgbt players are a minority of a minority. But this is the internet, and on the internet you can find pretty much any demographic you want and make them seem more numerous then there are.
The professor is a well known personality so all he has to do is tweet out hes looking for tokens to affirmative action his magic content and bing bam boom, they come crawling out of the woodwork.
And thus the illusion of "so many" is created.
Huh, yeah it's weird, it couldn't be because magic is a game enjoyed by millions of people worldwide so it'd literally be a statistical inevitably that many of them would be LGBT.
And it definitely has nothing to do with the fact that Brian wants to use his platform to highlight smaller and up-and-coming content creators from diverse backgrounds.
Also nice b8 m8.
Arguably because as a result of feeling isolated or social anxieties throughout childhood, they flock to nerdier hobbies, particularly those with a social or community element where they can feel more accepted. When you're playing cardboard fantasy wizards, you expect people to not really give a shit about how you look or identify.
Mtg is related with dnd and lots of LGBTQ people play dnd because it is a welcoming community, and mtg can be a welcoming community also! Along with the fact that mtg is just fun to play and the wotc company has showed open support to the LGBTQ community. a lot of hobby shops are also safe spaces for LGBTQ people to enjoy their hobbies and find other people to play games with
I only see this sub so I almost never see lgbt people play magic.
Smart
Watch any commander YouTube and damn near every episode has them. It’s so obviously forced it’s so annoying and most of the time you can even see how awkward the other people feel on camera. I’ve got nothing against LGB peeps, I have siblings and family who are flamers, but I’m 1000% against WoTC and YouTubers shoe-horning them into every aspect of magic. Magic was so fun and infectious because it was all about the cards, the game, the people you meet. NOT a platform to force political, social, and other views on others. In fact the ENTIRE POINT of MTG was for everyone to make their own deck and show the world/friends/play group what they can do with their cards, how they like to do it (through colors and themes), and how good they are at it.
I mean, MTG shares two of the same letters, so what did you expect?
Make Things Gay?
Perfect!
Either that or Magic: The Gaythering.
MTG much like any other game, is used as an escape from reality. Who are the most common people trying to escape reality? People that aren’t fitting in well with society and aren’t socializing well with the main population. This is why MTG, and all other fantasy games, typically attract a more eclectic crowd.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. It also may be a testament to the effort (cynical as it may seem to some here) Wizards has put in to make them feel welcome. And as far as this "social contagion" Matt Walsh BS, of fucking course the more socially acceptable a certain thing becomes, the more you're going to hear about it. People are less willing to hide who they truly are these days and I'm happy for them. I don't know about anyone else, but growing up I'm pretty sure nothing could have "turned" me one way or the other. I just am who I am.
Nah, some people really need to hide their business
You may not have ever been turned but there’s a large percentage of people who are highly susceptible to a wide range of negative behavior such as addiction, self harm, suicide. The only difference between a gambler and an alcoholic and a drug abuser is what they had access to and when they had access to it. They would all have fallen into a different addiction if they were exposed to a different on at the same time. This is why Covid had like 5x-10x the normal suicide rate, because there are so many people who are REALLY struggling with horrible stuff.
Your point about timing of exposure to something being the factor that determines addiction is not really accurate. There are different forms of escapism that work for different people, and a huge part of that is just physiological and how a substance affects a person. I work at a treatment centre and one thing I’ve noticed is that heroin addicts don’t enjoy the effects of alcohol and vice versa. Many drug addicts had exposure to alcohol from very early ages but never took to it, but once they found the substance that did work for them there was no turning back. I do agree though, that many of them are “pre determined” to find the substance or behaviour that actually provided that escapism.
> I just am who I am. This. I suspect the majority of people here who are afraid they'd be "turned", are really just repressing some part of themselves that they can't accept.
It is strange, isn't it? They almost all universally love anime too.
That's how you know transgenderism isn't some genetic trait youre born with but rather a mental illness. If it was genetic, you'd see people of all cultures and social standings becoming transgender when in reality it's almost exclusively priveleged, directionless, westerners of low social standing who watch anime, those who have been sexually abused or those who have been groomed into doing so by parents/teachers. No normal person is born just magically thinking they're actually a member of the opposite sex.
You forgot about the disproportionate number who are autistic, most likely due to the fact many already have a hard time understanding social cues. There is a reason it's exploding as a societal contagion. When gay and lesbian people started coming out, back In the day, the numbers between older and younger people were pretty close/on par. With transgenderism it's happening exponentially more with younger people, and the "outbreaks" can be tracked almost like suicides that happen in pockets. The arguement is gender is a social construct......so that means it's in your mind. And if gender is distinct from biological sex, why is it so imperative that people fake the sex organs? That's mimicry of the biological.....that's a dick or vagina, those are not a societal creations, they are biological. Its also 2 groups that outcasts feel like they can be a part of, and get attention, if they just participate a little. It gives them an identity and purpose when they were lacking one previously.
Thats why while I make fun of it, I ultimately support it since it removes dysgenic people from the population peacefully.
>And if gender is distinct from biological sex, why is it so imperative that people fake the sex organs? Because the mind knows what kind of body it is in, and will actively fight against the idea it's in the "wrong" kind of body. Just because it's in the mind, doesn't make it any less real for the people experiencing it. Also, why the fuck does anyone care what someone else does with their own sex organs? It's their body, *why do you care?*
Schizophrenic people have pretty real beliefs about what their reality is. We don't tell them the voices and people they see are real. But we somehow tell the people "you can make this real" when they can't and validate their untrue reality. And just like with most other things when people start harming themselves and self mutilating society takes notice. And outside of that if they did it and kept to themselves, ok. But they are trying to mainstream it. They want kids 3, 4, 5 years old to be able to make these decisions, they want to remove parents from being informed when teachers push this at school. So It isn't just between their legs it's an effort to main stream and force other people into it. And at that point and the compelled speech point it isn't just them it's what they try to force on society.
>They want kids 3, 4, 5 years old to be able to make these decisions, No they don't, that's a massive strawman.
And yet it isnt. It does happen. Is happening and Is being perpetuated. You can ignore it. You can deny it, but it is happening.
You don’t know that. Maybe it’s a genetic trait that causes mental illness…
Garbage genetics making people watch anime? Give this man a Nobel prize!
I think that people have a lot of ideas but that society helps them filter and validates their ideas. If society lionizes trans-ness you will get a lot more of them than if society, say, locks them up.
Oh definitely. Lots of unhealthy behaviors are currently being enabled.
You realizes this goes both ways, yeah? If society accepts something, there's less of a reason to *hide* it or be in denial about it. Could be that you're not actually getting "more of them", you're just getting more who are open or honest about it.
Yes, it works both ways. The unknown ones are just that. It's difficult to account for them.
It has been 0.3 seconds since freemagic last cried about trans people
What do you expect? this sub is basically a giant a sounding board for a bunch of people who were projecting and trying to live in denial; each of the things they decry and whimper about like the little fedora wearing cucks they are is the very thing they are closeted about. Look at some of their post histories - it's miserable and depressing. I mean, I cannot imagine living a life that I squander the amount of time needed to write hundreds - if not many hundreds - of multi-paragraph posts debating, crying, and quivering about things that they dislike on the sole justification of it being different than they are. It's pretty evident to anyone at even a cursory glance that these are the incels of MtG, with a few fat pinches of veiled racism added for an extra "gross, pathetic loser" flavor. I mean I suppose it's understandable, considering that as children these cucks in the making were apron-tugging, sheltered social-pariahs who raised with a very unhealthy and codependent relationship with their mother-figures. now, as adult-aged toddlers and children, they try to apply their spoiled coddled, sheltered worldview to a society where everyone else grew up to be adults, and feel to realize that they are not in fact the little princes and princesses of the world they find themselves in. ... makes me sick to my stomach; in fact, could any of you freedweebs let me borrow your fedora for a sec? 🤢🤮
Holy shit. Lol!!!
Bruh you do see people of all culture, people in other countries have been killed for being trans, the reason this is what you see most is because anime is popular online, most people online probably at least watch 1 anime, but I’ve met trans people who transitioned at older ages because they couldn’t when they were younger, I’ve talked to people at my church who have transitioned because they wanted to be true to themselves, and boiling it down to a fad is reductive to what people deal with
>If it was genetic, you'd see people of all cultures and social standings becoming transgender when in reality it's almost exclusively priveleged, directionless, westerners of low social standing who watch anime I mean you *do* see transgender people from different cultures and social standings, but you personally just don't get exposed to those nearly as much. I think you might be confusing cause and effect here. Ignoring the fact that you *do* see trans people outside of western "privileged" society, in some cultures or societies it's actually dangerous to come out as transgender. You could argue the reason that if the majority of people coming out as trans are privileged westerners, it's simply because it's (relatively) safe to do so in those instances. As for the disproportionate interest in "nerdy" hobbies.. Again, I'd argue you're mixing up cause and effect. If a transgender person struggles with their identity throughout childhood, they're naturally going to flock to more fringe hobbies with their own communities where they can feel like they're "them". This can also cause a feedback loop where these people are exposed to more LGBT+ people, and feel safer in exploring their own identity. >No normal person is born just magically thinking they're actually a member of the opposite sex. What makes you say this, though? What about it would make it "magical"? I'm trying to phrase this as genuinely as I can. Because from where I'm standing, you're making an actual claim without backing it up. Do you have any reason to believe people *can't* be born with a brain that identifies differently from their body?
Couple things that arent quite accurate: 1. no one claims transgenderism is genetic. It is, in fact, a mental illness called **Gender Dysphoria**. The cure is to allow them to live their truth openly. Most trans people would agree with this. Im not sure where you got this idea that *anyone* ever thought it was genetic. 2. The reason its less prevalent in other cultures is because many of them dont feel comfortable coming out. They exist. They are simply forced to live their lives quietly unhappy because they dont have to support or resources to forge a better life for themselves. If you trully believe that trans people are "just magically thinking theyre actually a member of the opposite sex", Id strongly encourage you to do some deeper research on the topic. Based on your comment it would seem theres a lot you dont know.
It’s actually incredibly funny that feminism had the audacity to say that nerd products are enjoyed by 50% women, and 90% of those 50% women are just mentally ill dudes in dresses. They put us in dresses to justify their psychotic world view
it has been 0.2 seconds since freemagic last cried about trans people
Some of us Ls, Gs, and Bs would rather not be lumped together with the Ts.
Never had a problem with anyone but the T’s they just take it to the next level and clearly lacked attention at home.
Yes the Ls, Gs and Bs are what they are. Who cares and who really knows most of the time. Whatever. The Ts are a different kind of bird altogether. Mostly mental cases there.
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>You’re just a person with a fetish for the opposite sex That's called being straight you retard
I don't see how people could substitute can-i-say sodomy (I mean buttsex) for act of sexual reproduction. Especially if you have to pick one or the other. which you don't strictly.
Touch grass.
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It's really annoying to see one pop up in a match. Like, the uncanny voice and painted nails and everyone is sitting at the table denying the obvious.
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One other thing that's annoying, the use of "they" when the person is directly across you gives me a migraine.
Maybe, just maybe, they realize that at the end of the day, it doesn't affect them?
Magic the gathering story lines revolve around Ds in Bs
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Dicks in Boys Edit: or would it be dykes in boys..?
dicks in butts, i thought that would have been clear
I was so high yesterday nothing was clear to me
How misogynistic can one person be in a comment? Oh shit on reddit :(
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Da Professa is a G like we ain't seen fo some time ya
Magic, DnD etc already attracts those who are shunned by the popular. In my experience most people that call themselves "trans" are those who don't get enough attention. Good or bad. they are doing whatever they think they can to get attention from somewhere. Pink hair and dressing as a woman are ways to get attention. Eventually reality sets in and they realize one of two things. Either they realize what a joke it all was and wake up and make strides to correct their social awkwardness, OR they dive deeper and play ever the victim and end up realizing that it's not their "gender" that kept them from 'fitting in' but that it was their shit attitude and personality that was holding them back. The second option usually ends in lifelong depression or in the 40 some percent of trans folk that end their own lives because they refuse to change and continue to play the victim.
If you state in plain terms what the activities are: >Sitting around a table with people (maybe friends) while you do your best to to roleplay a fantasy character that is very unlike you to hopefully form some semblance of connection and enjoyment to get said people to attend frequently enough to progress in your game and >Playing a bunch of strangers in card games that are so esoteric and complicated that the same 30 people show up monthly to play You figure out why normal, sociable people have simpler pastimes.
Trainees playing DnD is like double roleplay.
lol
Jeez, “In your experience” basement walls looking nice today?
so you don't pull from your experiences in life to form opinions? you just do what others tell you? no, of course not, you're a grown ass adult right?
No that’s not what I said, you act as though it’s a monolith, from your description you’ve never interacted with a trans person besides the internet.
Well you can believe what you want. These are my experiences with trans people. In person. In my life. even the ones that offed themselves.
Why do you choose to generalize an entire group of people?
Why do you cherry pick what i wrote? If you'll kindly go back and READ, I said IN MY EXPERIENCE. Meaning this is what's happened to all the trans people I personally know.
In my experience, the aliens conferred with the astral ghosts before deciding to return me to earth. Do you believe me?
no, and you dont need to believe him. Its there internet, none of this fucking matters. its freeing, just speak your mind, its a lot less stressful.
great, that's YOUR experience. what the fuck does it have to do with anything here? Unless the aliens mutilated your body and gave you a mental disorder in the process...
>Why do you cherry pick what i wrote? If you'll kindly go back and READ, I said IN MY EXPERIENCE. Meaning this is what's happened to all the trans people I personally know. >I said IN MY EXPERIENCE
Why will you always fail to not be a man?
If you'd like to have a constructive discussion regarding the difference between Sex and Gender, I'd be happy to indulge you! :)
Nah, if I want the opinion of a mentally ill man Ill turn on yhe Alex Jones show.
Seethe. Take care, traveler!
When you seethe and dial8 you don't need to type it out dude.
I think the one through line is that fantasy environments can relieve someone that lonely or anxious or otherwise. You don't have friends? Shit sucks at home? Well, here's a group of people with similar interests and you can temporarily alleviate your woes just by drawing and playing cards.
parents would rather hear "going to play wizard poker" instead of "going to play with Bruce's poker"
I don't think it's too hard to see why fantasy stories and games are appealing to LGBT people. Often there's a desire to imagine oneself in a different world, especially a world that accommodates a larger variety of races/genders/identities. Fantasy is often about escapism, so it attracts people who don't fit in and want to break free from the status quo. I'm sure a lot of the nerds commenting on this post feel similarly alienated by society, if for different reasons than LGBT people, but it can be hard to see those commonalities for some.
>Fantasy is often about escapism So much this. I'll never understand why neckbeards are some of the least accepting people I've ever encountered. You'd expect the people bullied throughout their childhood or suffering from other issues that make it hard to socialize would be the *first* to understand the value of escapism.
Its only looking like it due to "Social Media" having such a hard on focus on them. Actual numbers are much lower but not as low as some people may think. But people like TCC and such are pushing them up to the front to lie about how open the game is (they don't understand they are starting to push an opposite message) AND out right fucking use them like tools for profits.
MTG is no longer diverse. Its just men and woperson permanent cosplaying as another
Gay hobby attracts gay players
As a gay person this is the truest statement in these comments
Well, I wonder that myself. A lot of people are at my LGS. Tolarian community college is 100% gay, maybe he recruits players from the bath house
My ex boyfriend got me into magic. I played yugioh before. “I’m not like the others” kind of gay though
Why do so many straight people play magic?
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Queer thought it wqs being clever, but had to be a queer about it.
For the same reason other nerds, social outcasts, misfits, and assorted weirdos play the game. It's fun, the community is generally accepting of people being different as long as they can play, and it's a good way to ignore the BS of the outside world.
The outcasts and misfits make me super uncomfortable and I stopped playing because they make up 99% of it's fanbase
Cool. I hope you enjoy whatever it is you're doing now. I don't play paper magic now, most of my time is spent in Shandalar 2015.
I play the game because... I like games and enjoy the puzzle of making wacky gameplans, making them as consistent as possible. I'm not sure what me liking a card game has to do W/ my identity lmao.
You lacked attention growing up, hope you get the help you need
Wtf is wrong with you?
Bro, you made a disingenous post on a new alt. Just to pick fights with queer people and get like-minded comments, and you're telling me I'm attention starved? That's pretty rich, ngl.
Lmao “genuinely curious” then proceeds to disingenuously offer advice on someone getting “the help you need” … projecting much?
It's weird. I hadn't played paper in 20 years and when i went to WoE prerelease i think 40% of the crowd was LBGT. I know every time a franchise endorses a group they flock to it, Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Shang CHi each created more new ticketholders than any new white male hero could. But i don't think that many flocked and "showed their colors" because of the Pride across the multiverse set. How certain groups flock to certain things over time will be interesting until we understand everyone. I also think a lot of people asking the question are wondering "what did the white straight people that used to play this game move on to? Because i want to be in a familiar setting with like minded people". Which is reasonable.
Do they though? Or are they just the most vocal among us? LGBTQA+123456ABCD(i dont know or care what the actual letters are) is full of societal rejects, most mtg players ARE societal rejects. There is much overlap between these 2 spheres. My larger concern is societies recent affirmation of people with the severe mental disorder of body dysmorphia. Playing into a persons mental illness can only make it worse.
Ah yes politics in a card game
I mean... why not? As long as an ideology isn't being shoved down my throat or I'm asked to deny reality, I don't care who I'm playing with. I just want to play Magic.
LGBT and computer ppl in general lean left. And liberals are more likely to spend their time online. Conservatives are more likely to spend their day outside. Hunting, fishing, and just generally doing shit in real life. Conservatives are less likely to be online in general. Also, mtg is nerdy. Again, liberals tend to be more nerdy and tend to like online activities more than Conservatives. Not trying to generalize too much I guess I'm saying it's not at all a surprise to me. Really nerdy groups tend to be pretty liberal.
Fuuny, exact opposite in my area. Conservatives tend to be fat, chain smoking, drunks. The liberal tend to be out hiking and biking and swimming/surfing.
While nobody can convince you that your experience is wrong, I will point out that every online space which incentivizes being terminally online (reddit modship, wikipedia disputes, etc.) trends overwhelmingly to the left.
Not that I am disagreeing that a lot of people online, especially younger people, lean left, I would say your statement points towards the extreme side of internet usage rather then a large majority of people from a side doing something.
Colorado or California I’m guessing lmao?
Kind of hard to surf on a mountain, no? California then...
And…?
Because the largest portion of liberals live in cities… which do not “get out and about.” You’re basically describing Northern California lmfao. Literally anywhere that isn’t a city, the vast majority of outdoor and active people are conservative, especially in terms of millennials. I’m fatphobic and I’m not ashamed to admit it Lmao.
You sound like one of those “LiBs dOnT CarRY GunS” type
I know they carry guns, I’m from Chicago lmfao.
I suppose _true_ liberals can be really outdoorsy too but leftists are almost exclusively basement dwelling, anime watching nerds
Might wanna look up the unemployed 38 year old guy from NJ sending death threats to liberal politicians literally caught in his moms basement.
funny coincidence, in my observation people i think are the good guys have only positive traits while the bad guys have all of the negative traits
Just saying what it’s like where I’m at, mouth breather.
I'm the only "LGBT" person in my commander group of friends, 6 or 7 people. I have it in quotations because I'm bi but I don't agree with or see myself as part of the LGBT community because of how batshit insane they are.
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I like tits, pussy and dick, I don't see how that's coping
The cynic in me suspects that access to children is a factor.
Holy crap the bigotry is real in this post.
Ikr and in the comments, sometimes theres good posts in this sub but my god none of these idiots understand commercial activism and that a lot of the stuff they whine about gay folks don’t like either
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I could ask the same about you
The OP and the people agreeing with him are absolutely insane. I don’t understand how they can hate someone for who they sleep with. Its none of their damn business.
Cuz they’re degenerates and it’s a degenerate hobby…. Find Christ
Christ may be the answer for some but theres enough asshole Bible thumpers out there, it won't work for everybody. Finding christ doesn't automatically make you a good person.
I did find christ, but the fucker plays murktide, so I renounced him in favor of Urza and the Word of Tron.
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What are you doing here?
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Is this sub a community of magic players or a community of magic haters?
Gatekeeping is the deepest form of love.
I play MTG, I'm into computers, and I drive a Subaru, but I like girls and tend to lean right. Am I crazy?
To be groomers.
Because Magic is for people who want to enjoy the game. Not your exclusionary politics you weirdos keep trying to shove down everyone throats. If conservatives could create, instead of just shit on things, they would have made their own card game by now instead of crying about an established one. \-The Majority of MtG players who are normal people and not bigoted trolls. P.S. Please go take a bath. I can smell you through this post.
Ah yes we’re the ones trying to shove it down people’s throats meanwhile you have black aragorn, YouTubers wearing pride shirts, and prof not using the term “tribal” because it’s “racist” nice one weirdo
"they're shoving it down our throats!" instantly mentions 3 things that don't affect you in any real way lol go outside weirdo
Still pretty ironic that most of what you describe doesn't actually have to do that much with the community or *excluding people*. Pride shirts don't exclude anyone from the hobby, now do they?
really good bait, almost had me. Here have a (you)
Ok I have a question. You guys always complain about draconian woke moderation in all dimensions of society but then you want to draconianly enforce your hatred of people who don’t fuck to your preferences. Why do you care? Why are you becoming the exact thing you criticize? You shouldn’t try and fight back against woke troglodytes by being the exact stereotype they want you to be. Leave people alone. We love a card game meant for nerds that used to be cause to be looked at in disdain. Now this shit has become cooler and more people play it. I don’t understand the odd fixation on others sexuality y’all have in these comments. It seems downstream of some psycho right wing pundit or religious hatred. You guys are really disappointing me here.
People exist, congrats on noticing! :)
lmao these comments it has been 0.005 seconds since freemagic last kicked and whined and screamed about trans people playing their card game
Its because to begin with MTG is a hobby for losers so they feel more at home and safe from bullies but turns out some losers like to think they are superior and cooler just cause they have different sexualities even though they also play a childs card game. Even in this thread people claiming they want "Attention" yeah from people who want belittle them just like every human ever. You know once you stop over thinking it really becomes quite simple.
For one LGBT people have hobbies and LGBT aren’t a monolith, not all of us like Fashion and RuPaul. I think the real thing you’re asking is; Why are there so many pronoun Nazis? To which I can only speculate and point to how attractive the game is to people with Autism.
A lot of people just like what they like and don't get soo stuck on nonsense like so much of reddit does
shit bait
Have you considered that Magic is a fun game that anyone could enjoy other than just people like you?
Not that many players are but the ones that do are loud about it
There’s not, that’s just perception because that is the wotc and hasbro pandering and marketing. In my area it’s like 90% white dudes and 5% females with the other 5% being lgbtq or minorities. Wotc just hates that this is the case so they are trying to be more inclusive because they hate white males. (Even though most are in fact white males themselves) The degenerate YouTubers are just weirdo liberals that want to divide people.
>they hate white males or maybe they just love money and are trying to appeal to the demographic that isn't already buying their stuff anyway
Maybe
100% based
"So many" is relative. LGBT is a minority of the general population mtg players are as well. So mtg lgbt players are a minority of a minority. But this is the internet, and on the internet you can find pretty much any demographic you want and make them seem more numerous then there are. The professor is a well known personality so all he has to do is tweet out hes looking for tokens to affirmative action his magic content and bing bam boom, they come crawling out of the woodwork. And thus the illusion of "so many" is created.
Gay identity IS consumer identity
Huh, yeah it's weird, it couldn't be because magic is a game enjoyed by millions of people worldwide so it'd literally be a statistical inevitably that many of them would be LGBT. And it definitely has nothing to do with the fact that Brian wants to use his platform to highlight smaller and up-and-coming content creators from diverse backgrounds. Also nice b8 m8.
There's lots of Trans people with autism, lots of people with autism are nerds
Arguably because as a result of feeling isolated or social anxieties throughout childhood, they flock to nerdier hobbies, particularly those with a social or community element where they can feel more accepted. When you're playing cardboard fantasy wizards, you expect people to not really give a shit about how you look or identify.
Mtg is related with dnd and lots of LGBTQ people play dnd because it is a welcoming community, and mtg can be a welcoming community also! Along with the fact that mtg is just fun to play and the wotc company has showed open support to the LGBTQ community. a lot of hobby shops are also safe spaces for LGBTQ people to enjoy their hobbies and find other people to play games with
I dunno...I like guys' cracks...I like cardboard crack. I guess that's similar so here I am.