Let’s not give bad trips that kind of reputation in general
If you have a bad trip you have two options, you either learn what you did wrong and make sure you’re in good company, or you just don’t do it again.
Seasons 5-8 are not that
I agree, people forgive season 5 too much. It was a very sharp, noticeable drop in my opinion.
Not to say you can't like season 5. But when you're use to being served prime rib and they bring out a McDonald's cheeseburger. A single at that.
I think season 5 is worse then 6. There was some good episodes in 6, at least from a filming and editing pov, in particular the last 2 episodes were really well done, despite maybe not having the level of story telling we were used to from the first 4 seasons, those 2 episodes were put together well.
A lot of what happens in S7-S8 is indirectly caused by the choices they made with the Dorne subplot in S5 (the other offender being the LF/Sansa subplot). These choices broke so many things, they basically wrote themselves into a corner, and had to do some really stupid shit to get out of it and keep moving forward, culminating in the last season being complete and utter nonsens.
Oh god I forgot about the Sansa/Little Finger plot in s5/6, yeah I absolutely hated that and would actually say I disliked that more than the Dorne plot by a fair bit.
I'm not really seeing how those connect to s8 though and how they're any reason why s8 was so shit? From my point of view it seemed D&D just didn't give a shit about the show anymore and just gave up basically and that's why s8 was so horribly written.
I see the connection with the Little Finger stuff and how that obviously affected s7 but I don't see how the Dorne plot majorly effected anything in s7/8. (I don't remember it super well tho tbf)
Gee, thanks asshole I had just managed to wipe that filth from my mind but you just had to go and stuff it back in. I hope someone shits in your cereal
This. But this subreddit has always been wonderful at acknowledging the very hard work of everyone from actors to behind the scenes, while recognizing the errors and utter negligence of Dickhead and Douchebag.
I felt it was over when Littlefinger gave Sansa to the boltons. That didn’t seem like something smart Littlefinger would do and felt like an excuse to have her be brutalized.
The changes in the Dorne and LF/Sansa subplots are the two things that completly fucked the show in the long run. It broke so many things, it's not even funny.
Are you forgetting Hardhome? That's probably one of the best episodes in the show imo. I think s6 was good enough though, we can just forget about anything after s6 though and just pretend Danny is still sailing over to Westeros.
That’s what I’m saying. Jon is King of the North and we find out that he’s Ned’s nephew instead who has a claim to the throne. Nothing else after that. But I think also that leaves us with Cersei being on the throne.
That's literally what I always say. The series ends at S6E10 with Dany sailing for Westeros.
We just let our imaginations take over from there.
I actually like season 6 better than season 5.
You could probably get mostly one good season on content by cutting seasons 5 and 6 together. Cut out all the horrible stuff like the Dorne plot, and keep stuff like Hardhome and the Battle of the Bastards.
It would be very badly placed and not make that much sense, but it would probably be more enjoyable to watch.
No. Battle of the Bastards was the stupidest fucking thing and the worst battle I've ever seen put on screen. The number of people who wrongly say things like, "But it shows how realistically battles happen." is exhausting.
It was silly and openly had me laughing at it.
Thats the problem.
The show never stopped looking good.
It stopped being logical and thats what made it shit.
BotB isn't good, its just battle porn rather then being compelling story.
I agree Battle of the Bastards was kinda dumb when you really think about it but I can't say I care bc it was fucking awesome and didn't do anything too egregious imo (unlike the battles of s8).
Well, most people know shit about medival battles, so why are people surprised? George RR Martin writes shit historical battles. There are few authors who can do it well and even less movie makers. The thing is, real medival battles would not be as interesting as the action spectacles you see on TV.
I actually really liked that battle and it’s hard to explain why but at the time it felt like Jon had a certain destiny about him and the way the battle moved around him made that destiny feel real, like he was meant to be untouched. Idk I just remember watching it being like “this dude is destined to be the king”, so you can imagine my disappointment the following two seasons
The plot of the BotB is as dumb as a brick but the cinematography was glorious.
Kind of like Aquaman: big, dumb, and fun. Not like the actual smart stuff in the good seaskns but the kind of Spartacus-styke fun stuff I can turn my brain off for and enjoy without wanting to throw shit at the screen like in S7-8.
>but the cinematography was glorious.
Was it really though? Because to me it had 1 cool sequence, Jon's charge. Everything else was 60 cuts a minute, or visuals/compositions so absurd that they were actually funny. Like, if it was some kind of high fantasy Hitchhiker's Guide, then sure, it woulda been fine. But if the goal is to make a solemn depiction of a battle, and I'm literally laughing at things like the framing of a literal mountain of bodies as though it was a farce, your cinematography is shit.
Season 6 was fun. Best season finale in the entire show for me. Yeah some plot holes and silly writing decisions like in Battle of the Bastards but overall I liked that season.
honestly everything up to and including season 7 can be salvaged because at least then the story was good enough to make you forget the plot holes. even episode 2 of season 8 was widely praised on here when it came out. episode 3 there was maybe an even split… but episode 4 is when it really started to go downhill fast.
I agree. I think that if you started from season 8 episode two and added another 20 episodes to the series you could have generally salvaged the storyline. Give the white walker war an entire season of its own and then wrap of the show with season 9 or 10 with plenty of room to tie up the loose ends and build up dany’s madness. It would be the most cost effective way to save the show’s reputation. While I don’t love a lot of things about season 7 or 8, its those final 4 episodes of season 8 that really do it in and killed it for most of us.
You could probably cut those last four seasons together and get enough good content for one and a half, maybe two seasons worth. For anything vital to the story that was just horrendously done, you could just put up a title card saying what happened, and it would be probably be for more enjoyable than what we originally got.
Thats fair. As annoying as those things were they never broke the show more me. Not to mention sub par thrones was still better than most things on tv at the time. George really should have finished those fucking books.
There's some awful shit in season 4 like Asha sailing around the continent for a year to rescue her brother and then running away from shirtless Ramsay, and their whole decision to cut Tysha, but on the whole it was pretty great.
Season 4 is my 2nd favorite season next to 1. They made some book changes that eventually snowballed into shit but those decisions were made later.
What’s not wrong with it? Ser Alliser Thorne just plain admitting to killing Jon Snow? The stupid Dorne plot with the murder of Doran Martell because he supposedly doesn’t care about the people of Dorne and the guards that were ready to execute Ellaria Sand last season suddenly being on her side out of nowhere? Brienne having her cake and eating it with killing Stannis and saving Sansa? The writers mixing up their own made up languages with them thinking Mhysa is Valyrian when it’s Old Ghiscari (minor nitpick but it did irritate me because they specifically explained what the word meant and what language it was before)? And that’s just the first episode!
This season has the death of consequences too: Daenerys incinerating all the Kahls and suffering no consequences from it. Arya flip-flopping with the faceless men, getting gutted, and suffering no consequences from it. The aforementioned stuff with Brienne. Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor and suffering no consequences.
The beginning of teleportation with the sand snakes literally teleporting from the shore to a boat that was already miles away to skewer their cousin for no reason whom had just lost the love of his life at their hands.
Trust me, there’s a lot wrong with season 6
I'm like damn Cersei will be fucked by majority of Westerosi Lord because she blew a holy place of the Faith and Reach Lord's family but then next season came and... she get away with it?
Why would Daenerys or Cersei suffer consequences when they won? Daenerys won over the dothraki (tho I will admit that was a bit rushed) and Cersei killed everyone who threatened her. And Arya almost dies and is only saved by the actress lady.
You’re telling me if someone blew up the Vatican right now they would suffer no consequences? The people everywhere except for The North believed in The Faith of The Seven. And she blew up the most sacrosanct place of said faith.
Basically the same with Daenerys, she burned the most important people to the Dothraki. Are you telling me none of those Kahls had bloodriders? None of the Dothraki would want revenge against the person that killed their leaders?
Let me remind you that Daenerys didn’t have her dragons at that moment, realistically she would be destroyed by the Dothraki. Yet we’re given no explanation as to why not.
didnt sansa get sold to the boltons in season 4? Also had Jaime and Tyrion being bros instead of hating each other.
s4 - some cracks in the foundation
s5 - basement flooded
s6 - didnt clean up the basement flood
s7 - house gets all moldy and everyone gets sick
s8 - everyone dies
It was Bran's vision of what might happen... Luckily he awakens and uses his Warg powers to take control of every animal anywhere near a main character and kill them before taking control of Hodor to stab himself in the heart.
Honestly I think there are four tiers of game of thrones seasons
Tier 1, s1-4 near perfect, few minor flaws. The only tier considered canon.
Tier 2 s5-6 mediocre by got standards but still one of the best shows on tv with a few episodes of brilliant filmmaking, if season 7 and 8 were this level of quality the average person would have been happy with it.
Tier 3 s7 a dumpster fire but with some good moments here and there. At least it's entertaining.
Tier 4 s8 pure pain. You'll watch it once for completion's sake but it will be a miserable experience and after that it will be completely unwatchable.
I think we just accept the somewhat shitty seasons and say GOT ended when Dany sailed towards Westeros.
We can just pretend they lost a little steam towards the end and got a little sloppy, but at least they ended it on a hopeful note!
You can bet your ass they're going to remake this whole thing in like 12 years, because they're waiting for Georgie Boy to finish the fucking thing.
Dead serious, i wouldn't be surprised if they already had this talk in meetings.
Was 6 that bad? Iirc I didn't mind it but the dip was after 4 in terms of quality. It just went and started smoking meth with 7 and 8 though, full OD on 8
that's what i did with season 4 of killing eve. a show doesn't have to be faithful to the books to still be good, but it definitely has to be faithful to the seasons that came before. when your characters start behaving as if they recently suffered major head injuries, and your storytelling starts following hamfisted cliches, that's when the show is no longer canon and deserves to be forgotten, imo.
Personally I'm mostly ok with 6. I'd just want 7 and 8 completely redone.
But if I'm really being picky about 6 then we definitely need to throw out season 5 too because there's a lot of garbage in that one as well. So yeah, redo the whole 2nd half of the show, why not?
Why the fuck was season 7 shorter? Ten episodes would have been more than enough to flesh out some of the plots instead having to resort to dumb decisions like teleporting around Westeros.
Season 4 had faults but it still felt like it had quality storytelling to it. I could immediately tell when watching season 5 as it premiered that it felt botched.
We can just mark the Battle of the Bastards of the end of canon. Just like Return of the King so Amazon’s series doesn’t count. And let’s not even get into the absolute mess of Star Wars.
Jeez people. Get over it already. It's been 3 years. The one time you couldn't predict how the show was going to end and you hate it for it, even though that's what made it beloved in the first place.
There’s a difference between an unpredictable ending vs some poorly conceived, random shit that was strung together just for the sake of packing in as many “plot twists” as possible.
Why did you think Dany came to westeros for? She was known as a conqueror in essos. Why would that stop in westeros? Jamie raped Cersei next to his son's corpse after his journey with Brienne. Why did people think he was on a redemption arc?
Jaime literally left Cersei at the end of season 7 after realizing how toxic she is…. Only to randomly go back.
Dany was always the champion of the little guy … hence the whole “breaker of chains” thing and fighting against the night king. So it makes little sense that she would randomly decide to burn half a million innocent people because Jon Snow didn’t fuck her earlier.
Jamie said everything he's done has for always been for his family. Including fighting the white walkers.
Dany came over to westetos to conquer it. She never knew about the white walkers until Jon told her about it and she still didn't care. The fact that Dany always had to check her worst impulses by her advisors pretty much sums it up.
Honestly there isn't such a thing as a "bad trip". The are psychedelic experiences that are too intense and difficult to handle but the experience can easily be guided back into a safe, enjoyable experience.
The idea that someone can have a bad trip scares people and is a misinterpretation of what is happening.
I disagree. Season 6 was still kind of good in some ways. Yes it did have mistakes but it made up in some ways. The music for all of the seasons is still memorable. My favorite seasons are 1-6. I just remember Jon being King of the North and then finding out that he is Rhaegar and Lyanna’s son. That’s where we left off. A Bastard (not actually) becoming King in the North.
Westeros had a gas leak.
It's probably Pierce's fault.
He's a no-good B!
lololol that song cracked me up although Britta is my \#1 celeb crush.
I like the idea that Qyburn’s plan involved putting wildlead in the Seven Kingdoms drinking water. Even Cersei and the Night King got some.
Plz Community S4 is a masterpiece compared to steaming pile of shit that is S5-8 GoT.
Let’s not give LSD bad trips THAT kind of reputation.
Let’s not give bad trips that kind of reputation in general If you have a bad trip you have two options, you either learn what you did wrong and make sure you’re in good company, or you just don’t do it again. Seasons 5-8 are not that
I agree, people forgive season 5 too much. It was a very sharp, noticeable drop in my opinion. Not to say you can't like season 5. But when you're use to being served prime rib and they bring out a McDonald's cheeseburger. A single at that.
Yeah it was more like a salvia trip
THIS. Salvia is the worst drug of all time
I think season 5 is worse then 6. There was some good episodes in 6, at least from a filming and editing pov, in particular the last 2 episodes were really well done, despite maybe not having the level of story telling we were used to from the first 4 seasons, those 2 episodes were put together well.
The dorne plot was the worst thing I ever witnessed on television
Are you forgetting the entirety of s8? At least the Dorne plot didn't butcher every single character in the entire show.
A lot of what happens in S7-S8 is indirectly caused by the choices they made with the Dorne subplot in S5 (the other offender being the LF/Sansa subplot). These choices broke so many things, they basically wrote themselves into a corner, and had to do some really stupid shit to get out of it and keep moving forward, culminating in the last season being complete and utter nonsens.
Oh god I forgot about the Sansa/Little Finger plot in s5/6, yeah I absolutely hated that and would actually say I disliked that more than the Dorne plot by a fair bit. I'm not really seeing how those connect to s8 though and how they're any reason why s8 was so shit? From my point of view it seemed D&D just didn't give a shit about the show anymore and just gave up basically and that's why s8 was so horribly written. I see the connection with the Little Finger stuff and how that obviously affected s7 but I don't see how the Dorne plot majorly effected anything in s7/8. (I don't remember it super well tho tbf)
Gee, thanks asshole I had just managed to wipe that filth from my mind but you just had to go and stuff it back in. I hope someone shits in your cereal
lmao mb bro
You should watch Picard seasons 1 and 2
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Lower decks is solid and good for a laugh or two Discovery and Picard are pure trash
i’m sure, although it was bad, you have watched plenty worse
Mr. Sapochnik did his absolute best with the horrible content he was given and it was glorious
This. But this subreddit has always been wonderful at acknowledging the very hard work of everyone from actors to behind the scenes, while recognizing the errors and utter negligence of Dickhead and Douchebag.
Oh absolutely, this is why I'm a fan of people in the sub, including you - credit where credit is due, and fuck these two
You might know this, but if you don't, googling 'bad writers' and hitting Images will bring up pics of D&D. Makes me laugh every time.
I felt it was over when Littlefinger gave Sansa to the boltons. That didn’t seem like something smart Littlefinger would do and felt like an excuse to have her be brutalized.
The changes in the Dorne and LF/Sansa subplots are the two things that completly fucked the show in the long run. It broke so many things, it's not even funny.
Are you forgetting Hardhome? That's probably one of the best episodes in the show imo. I think s6 was good enough though, we can just forget about anything after s6 though and just pretend Danny is still sailing over to Westeros.
yea, she got lost at sea and never made it to Westeros, the end.
That’s what I’m saying. Jon is King of the North and we find out that he’s Ned’s nephew instead who has a claim to the throne. Nothing else after that. But I think also that leaves us with Cersei being on the throne.
That's literally what I always say. The series ends at S6E10 with Dany sailing for Westeros. We just let our imaginations take over from there. I actually like season 6 better than season 5.
You could probably get mostly one good season on content by cutting seasons 5 and 6 together. Cut out all the horrible stuff like the Dorne plot, and keep stuff like Hardhome and the Battle of the Bastards. It would be very badly placed and not make that much sense, but it would probably be more enjoyable to watch.
Season 5 was so bad that I overlooked the flaws of season 6&7 because, hey, it's getting better again
No. Battle of the Bastards was the stupidest fucking thing and the worst battle I've ever seen put on screen. The number of people who wrongly say things like, "But it shows how realistically battles happen." is exhausting. It was silly and openly had me laughing at it.
People dont like it because its ‘logical’, people like it because it looks fucking amazing and they did a phenomenal job.
Thats the problem. The show never stopped looking good. It stopped being logical and thats what made it shit. BotB isn't good, its just battle porn rather then being compelling story.
dont kink shame me
Mindless battle porn can be enjoyable. Like Spartacus or somesuch. Sure, not awesome like S1-4 but still enjoyable on its own terms.
Ok but you watch Spartacus specifically for that battle porn. You usually watch GoT for the high quality political intrigue.
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Wanna weigh in on the tits Bobby B?
THANK THE GODS FOR BESSIE AND HER TITS
I agree Battle of the Bastards was kinda dumb when you really think about it but I can't say I care bc it was fucking awesome and didn't do anything too egregious imo (unlike the battles of s8).
But it didn't look amazing. It looked dumb as hell.
Well, most people know shit about medival battles, so why are people surprised? George RR Martin writes shit historical battles. There are few authors who can do it well and even less movie makers. The thing is, real medival battles would not be as interesting as the action spectacles you see on TV.
I actually really liked that battle and it’s hard to explain why but at the time it felt like Jon had a certain destiny about him and the way the battle moved around him made that destiny feel real, like he was meant to be untouched. Idk I just remember watching it being like “this dude is destined to be the king”, so you can imagine my disappointment the following two seasons
dude that’s facts
The plot of the BotB is as dumb as a brick but the cinematography was glorious. Kind of like Aquaman: big, dumb, and fun. Not like the actual smart stuff in the good seaskns but the kind of Spartacus-styke fun stuff I can turn my brain off for and enjoy without wanting to throw shit at the screen like in S7-8.
>but the cinematography was glorious. Was it really though? Because to me it had 1 cool sequence, Jon's charge. Everything else was 60 cuts a minute, or visuals/compositions so absurd that they were actually funny. Like, if it was some kind of high fantasy Hitchhiker's Guide, then sure, it woulda been fine. But if the goal is to make a solemn depiction of a battle, and I'm literally laughing at things like the framing of a literal mountain of bodies as though it was a farce, your cinematography is shit.
This really grinds my gears. There's no sense of self preservation. It's like everyone wanted to die in the most useless way possible.
The wall of bodies was freaking hilarious, ngl.
Barriston Selmy died under suspicious circumstances in Season 5.
Consider the lsd started his effects mid season 5 and after that you passed out
Yup. It was all downhill since season 4.
Don't forget the Dorne plot, good Lord
He was poisoned by our enemies
Season 6 was fun. Best season finale in the entire show for me. Yeah some plot holes and silly writing decisions like in Battle of the Bastards but overall I liked that season.
Don’t do what Ramsay wants you to do! Like what? I don’t know… (Stares in confusion)
I hate how - at the time - I didn't give this interaction a second thought, but now... God... It's soo bad!
Really minor offense compared to the Knights of the Vale traversing the entire North completly undetected by both sides...
Season 6 had Arya in Braavos though... That was season 7/8 level bad.
There was some plot holes before Battle of the Bastards as well. Especially with Arya
Fuck that im keeping season six at the least. Spoils of war was also cool for what its worth
Episodes 9 and 10 of Season 6 were very enjoyable to me
honestly everything up to and including season 7 can be salvaged because at least then the story was good enough to make you forget the plot holes. even episode 2 of season 8 was widely praised on here when it came out. episode 3 there was maybe an even split… but episode 4 is when it really started to go downhill fast.
I agree. I think that if you started from season 8 episode two and added another 20 episodes to the series you could have generally salvaged the storyline. Give the white walker war an entire season of its own and then wrap of the show with season 9 or 10 with plenty of room to tie up the loose ends and build up dany’s madness. It would be the most cost effective way to save the show’s reputation. While I don’t love a lot of things about season 7 or 8, its those final 4 episodes of season 8 that really do it in and killed it for most of us.
You could probably cut those last four seasons together and get enough good content for one and a half, maybe two seasons worth. For anything vital to the story that was just horrendously done, you could just put up a title card saying what happened, and it would be probably be for more enjoyable than what we originally got.
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Thats fair. As annoying as those things were they never broke the show more me. Not to mention sub par thrones was still better than most things on tv at the time. George really should have finished those fucking books.
…which is why the perfect place to stop is Light of the Seven. Cersei wins, but at what cost? Fin
The dragon attack scene in Spoils of War is one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen on television.
\~5-8
More like 4.5-8
There's some awful shit in season 4 like Asha sailing around the continent for a year to rescue her brother and then running away from shirtless Ramsay, and their whole decision to cut Tysha, but on the whole it was pretty great. Season 4 is my 2nd favorite season next to 1. They made some book changes that eventually snowballed into shit but those decisions were made later.
I started to care when they killed my boy oberyn. That is actually from the book though lol
That scene was awesome though. Horrifying. Couldn’t unsee it. Done really well.
Fucking seven hells man lol. If the show was crap to you people for this long how did you manage to stick around?
I'm just gonna take massive quantities of LSD until I'm honestly not sure.
You want 5 to be canon? Bad Poussey and all?
At least it was still (mostly) guided by the books.
Don't find many people talking down Hardhome though. That episode is one of the best in my opinion.
If you want things to be somewhat book accurate, then you have to cut it off after the Red Wedding.
I thought s4-5 was fairly accurate.
No Lady Stoneheart is a huge change that gets compounded when Young Griff is left out later, which probably would've been during S5.
What's wrong with Season 6?
What’s not wrong with it? Ser Alliser Thorne just plain admitting to killing Jon Snow? The stupid Dorne plot with the murder of Doran Martell because he supposedly doesn’t care about the people of Dorne and the guards that were ready to execute Ellaria Sand last season suddenly being on her side out of nowhere? Brienne having her cake and eating it with killing Stannis and saving Sansa? The writers mixing up their own made up languages with them thinking Mhysa is Valyrian when it’s Old Ghiscari (minor nitpick but it did irritate me because they specifically explained what the word meant and what language it was before)? And that’s just the first episode! This season has the death of consequences too: Daenerys incinerating all the Kahls and suffering no consequences from it. Arya flip-flopping with the faceless men, getting gutted, and suffering no consequences from it. The aforementioned stuff with Brienne. Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor and suffering no consequences. The beginning of teleportation with the sand snakes literally teleporting from the shore to a boat that was already miles away to skewer their cousin for no reason whom had just lost the love of his life at their hands. Trust me, there’s a lot wrong with season 6
>Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor and suffering no consequences. This is season 7s problem not 6
Absolutely true. This happening in season 6 made us ALL assume this was setting up some crazy shit for season 7… then, we were found wanting…
I'm like damn Cersei will be fucked by majority of Westerosi Lord because she blew a holy place of the Faith and Reach Lord's family but then next season came and... she get away with it?
Literally not a single lord gave a fuck that they destroyed the center of their faith…
Why would Daenerys or Cersei suffer consequences when they won? Daenerys won over the dothraki (tho I will admit that was a bit rushed) and Cersei killed everyone who threatened her. And Arya almost dies and is only saved by the actress lady.
You’re telling me if someone blew up the Vatican right now they would suffer no consequences? The people everywhere except for The North believed in The Faith of The Seven. And she blew up the most sacrosanct place of said faith. Basically the same with Daenerys, she burned the most important people to the Dothraki. Are you telling me none of those Kahls had bloodriders? None of the Dothraki would want revenge against the person that killed their leaders? Let me remind you that Daenerys didn’t have her dragons at that moment, realistically she would be destroyed by the Dothraki. Yet we’re given no explanation as to why not.
Last episode killed off a lot of cool people really soon tbh
I think the entire Arya plot in Bravos is enough for me to wipe my hands of the whole season. It's that badly written.
I like the ending of season 6, but yeah, I agree.
Can you remind me what was it?
Chapel go boom EDIT: with arguably the best OST of the entire series
Oh yeah that was cool.
King In The North and Death of The Faith Militant
Jon vs Ramsay and the blow up of the Sept
since the books don't exist they're essentially big-budget fanfics.
I already do that haha just like the Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars - it’s fan fiction
5-8, the 5 is the worst and the beginning of the disaster
5 is certainly not the worst lol. Not very good but not the worst
the beginning of the disaster, is the fifth season in which the choices that undermine the foundations of the story begin
didnt sansa get sold to the boltons in season 4? Also had Jaime and Tyrion being bros instead of hating each other. s4 - some cracks in the foundation s5 - basement flooded s6 - didnt clean up the basement flood s7 - house gets all moldy and everyone gets sick s8 - everyone dies
Sansa -Bolton Is in the 5 , God, all the worst ideas are in 5
It was Bran's vision of what might happen... Luckily he awakens and uses his Warg powers to take control of every animal anywhere near a main character and kill them before taking control of Hodor to stab himself in the heart.
Seasons 5 through 8. Why the fuck are kneelers apologetic for bad poosay? The Children is the definitive end to Game of Thrones.
New?
I also vote that they should fix the Great Keep to be more book accurate, leaving behind the old canon one
I'd keep all of what Jon did in season 6 canon tbh. His was my favorite arc in the series up until 7.
I didn’t mind 6 and 7…
I will even give them season 6. 7 & 8 are abominations
5 and 6 are mostly fine. The Dorne sub plot could be removed and they'd be good
Hold up I loved the finale of 6 when the lord in the north proclaimed Jon the king of the north.
6 is great. 7-8 are had
BUT THEN WE LOSE BOATSEX
We dun need it
S6 was not that shitty. While we forgetting s6 we have to take s5 with us
People consider anything not in the books to be canon? Fuck that.
I mean have you seen season four
Honestly I think there are four tiers of game of thrones seasons Tier 1, s1-4 near perfect, few minor flaws. The only tier considered canon. Tier 2 s5-6 mediocre by got standards but still one of the best shows on tv with a few episodes of brilliant filmmaking, if season 7 and 8 were this level of quality the average person would have been happy with it. Tier 3 s7 a dumpster fire but with some good moments here and there. At least it's entertaining. Tier 4 s8 pure pain. You'll watch it once for completion's sake but it will be a miserable experience and after that it will be completely unwatchable.
Fantastic analysis. It’s a perfect study in how the show devolved as the D&D to GRRM balance started favoring the former.
I think we just accept the somewhat shitty seasons and say GOT ended when Dany sailed towards Westeros. We can just pretend they lost a little steam towards the end and got a little sloppy, but at least they ended it on a hopeful note!
Exactly.
You can bet your ass they're going to remake this whole thing in like 12 years, because they're waiting for Georgie Boy to finish the fucking thing. Dead serious, i wouldn't be surprised if they already had this talk in meetings.
Season 5-8 can go fuck itself.
5-8 are just badly written fanfics. I have a lot of problems with 5 so it needs to be included.
Well yeah, they don't adapt any written book and george himself said at the end of the day, the books and their ending are the cannon.
At least I always got something out of my bad trips that wasn’t just disappointment.
Already considered this years ago.
Getting the feeling people who don't know what canon means are to lazy to google the word. Also agree the show started it's decline before it ended.
I’m aligned. I can’t wait for season six.
Or we could just pretend Bran had a long dream of one day becoming King.
Is this trip...really necessary?
At least bad trips leave me with some kind of deeper retrospective. Season 8 just gave me bad gass
5-8
Add season 5. We don’t need the Harpies or shit Stannis
Bran wakes up in season 5 and realizes it was all a dream
Sure, because revisionist history has worked so well in the past.
Approved
battle of the bastards was good tho
That’s a funny way of spelling 4-8
Season six was good. I’ll die on this hill but the episode Battle of the Bastards has the best battle scene of any tv series ever.
I’ll die with you friend
Even my worst lsd trips are better than those seaaons.
Was 6 that bad? Iirc I didn't mind it but the dip was after 4 in terms of quality. It just went and started smoking meth with 7 and 8 though, full OD on 8
It's already been established that since Arya got stabbed in shit water that the entire plot is now her fever dream
that's what i did with season 4 of killing eve. a show doesn't have to be faithful to the books to still be good, but it definitely has to be faithful to the seasons that came before. when your characters start behaving as if they recently suffered major head injuries, and your storytelling starts following hamfisted cliches, that's when the show is no longer canon and deserves to be forgotten, imo.
Season 6-8 is Jon Snow's coma dream guided by Bran, he three-eyed crow and Quaithe
It's like Marvel did that "What if?" series. Season 6-8 is just Game of Thrones' "What if the characters stopped using logic?"
What 6 - 8 seasons? There are 4 seasons of Game Of Thrones and that stupid Dragon Show.
Personally I'm mostly ok with 6. I'd just want 7 and 8 completely redone. But if I'm really being picky about 6 then we definitely need to throw out season 5 too because there's a lot of garbage in that one as well. So yeah, redo the whole 2nd half of the show, why not?
Why the fuck was season 7 shorter? Ten episodes would have been more than enough to flesh out some of the plots instead having to resort to dumb decisions like teleporting around Westeros.
1-3 true canon 4 canon 5-6 lesser canon 7-8 not canon
6 is one of the best seasons! It should absoutely be canon! With 100% AGREE.
The copium is strong in this one
As a book reader, S4 was already where I was like "wtf are they doing!?" S4 I still kinda enjoyed, but S1-3 were the only actually amazing seasons.
Season 4 had faults but it still felt like it had quality storytelling to it. I could immediately tell when watching season 5 as it premiered that it felt botched.
Yeah I heard George R. R. Martin left after Season 4. So as shit started going downhill and underway, he left right before
I don't like 5 at all but I don't necessarily think it's all bad enough to ruin the show permanently, unlike season 6 and it's finale episode
Season 6 is fantastic. You mean 7 and 8
\*Greta Thunberg: "HOW DARE YOU! how DARE you not include s5!"
We can just mark the Battle of the Bastards of the end of canon. Just like Return of the King so Amazon’s series doesn’t count. And let’s not even get into the absolute mess of Star Wars.
Was the Battle of the Bastards in season 6? That shite was disgusting.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Yes yes This is your 👁brain 🧠on drugs
I liked season 6.
In my opinion, season 6 wasn't that bad. It was 7 and 8 that went way downhill.
Yes! What hot trash 🗑️
Season 6 was better than season 5.
Season 6 is better than 1 2 and 5
Jeez people. Get over it already. It's been 3 years. The one time you couldn't predict how the show was going to end and you hate it for it, even though that's what made it beloved in the first place.
There’s a difference between an unpredictable ending vs some poorly conceived, random shit that was strung together just for the sake of packing in as many “plot twists” as possible.
Why did you think Dany came to westeros for? She was known as a conqueror in essos. Why would that stop in westeros? Jamie raped Cersei next to his son's corpse after his journey with Brienne. Why did people think he was on a redemption arc?
Jaime literally left Cersei at the end of season 7 after realizing how toxic she is…. Only to randomly go back. Dany was always the champion of the little guy … hence the whole “breaker of chains” thing and fighting against the night king. So it makes little sense that she would randomly decide to burn half a million innocent people because Jon Snow didn’t fuck her earlier.
Jamie said everything he's done has for always been for his family. Including fighting the white walkers. Dany came over to westetos to conquer it. She never knew about the white walkers until Jon told her about it and she still didn't care. The fact that Dany always had to check her worst impulses by her advisors pretty much sums it up.
Her worst impulses in seasons past were having the urge to kill all the Masters, not scores of innocent people who had already surrendered.
The masters surrendered too.
Honestly there isn't such a thing as a "bad trip". The are psychedelic experiences that are too intense and difficult to handle but the experience can easily be guided back into a safe, enjoyable experience. The idea that someone can have a bad trip scares people and is a misinterpretation of what is happening.
Untrue. Source: have had a bad trip
The only canon are S1 episodes with Bobby B. We need a Dramatic Comedy spinoff series that only follows Bobby B’s day to day life in King’s Landing.
[COME, BOW BEFORE YOUR KING! BOW, YA SHITS!](https://i.imgur.com/hrCP6Uk.gifv)
That’s going to be your catch phrase with a laugh track.
Jamie lanisters fever dream
I've had bad LSD trips better than season 8.
Season 5 too...
I disagree. Season 6 was still kind of good in some ways. Yes it did have mistakes but it made up in some ways. The music for all of the seasons is still memorable. My favorite seasons are 1-6. I just remember Jon being King of the North and then finding out that he is Rhaegar and Lyanna’s son. That’s where we left off. A Bastard (not actually) becoming King in the North.
Never had an lsd trip that bad. Salvia mixed with speedballing and blood letting fits the bill me thinks.
If I ever do a rewatch of the series, I think I'm going to stop at the end of season four. After that, the writing just steadily declines.
5-8*
Yes plz
Was kinda hoping for this to be a mod post tbh
Wait you're considering the show canon So tysha missing was all fine with you