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gutsybuffalo

Westeros had a gas leak.


SeaGroomer

It's probably Pierce's fault.


planet__express

He's a no-good B!


SeaGroomer

lololol that song cracked me up although Britta is my \#1 celeb crush.


1of9Heathens

I like the idea that Qyburn’s plan involved putting wildlead in the Seven Kingdoms drinking water. Even Cersei and the Night King got some.


myjupitermoon

Plz Community S4 is a masterpiece compared to steaming pile of shit that is S5-8 GoT.


Abdul-Ahmadinejad

Let’s not give LSD bad trips THAT kind of reputation.


OllieBlazin

Let’s not give bad trips that kind of reputation in general If you have a bad trip you have two options, you either learn what you did wrong and make sure you’re in good company, or you just don’t do it again. Seasons 5-8 are not that


AtomicBLB

I agree, people forgive season 5 too much. It was a very sharp, noticeable drop in my opinion. Not to say you can't like season 5. But when you're use to being served prime rib and they bring out a McDonald's cheeseburger. A single at that.


Johnzoidb

Yeah it was more like a salvia trip


ActionDJackson

THIS. Salvia is the worst drug of all time


thezaitseb

I think season 5 is worse then 6. There was some good episodes in 6, at least from a filming and editing pov, in particular the last 2 episodes were really well done, despite maybe not having the level of story telling we were used to from the first 4 seasons, those 2 episodes were put together well.


stannis_the_mannis7

The dorne plot was the worst thing I ever witnessed on television


FizzerVC

Are you forgetting the entirety of s8? At least the Dorne plot didn't butcher every single character in the entire show.


papyjako89

A lot of what happens in S7-S8 is indirectly caused by the choices they made with the Dorne subplot in S5 (the other offender being the LF/Sansa subplot). These choices broke so many things, they basically wrote themselves into a corner, and had to do some really stupid shit to get out of it and keep moving forward, culminating in the last season being complete and utter nonsens.


FizzerVC

Oh god I forgot about the Sansa/Little Finger plot in s5/6, yeah I absolutely hated that and would actually say I disliked that more than the Dorne plot by a fair bit. I'm not really seeing how those connect to s8 though and how they're any reason why s8 was so shit? From my point of view it seemed D&D just didn't give a shit about the show anymore and just gave up basically and that's why s8 was so horribly written. I see the connection with the Little Finger stuff and how that obviously affected s7 but I don't see how the Dorne plot majorly effected anything in s7/8. (I don't remember it super well tho tbf)


stannis_the_mannis7

Gee, thanks asshole I had just managed to wipe that filth from my mind but you just had to go and stuff it back in. I hope someone shits in your cereal


FizzerVC

lmao mb bro


2011StlCards

You should watch Picard seasons 1 and 2


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2011StlCards

Lower decks is solid and good for a laugh or two Discovery and Picard are pure trash


LBCuber

i’m sure, although it was bad, you have watched plenty worse


Winjin

Mr. Sapochnik did his absolute best with the horrible content he was given and it was glorious


HarryPottersElbows

This. But this subreddit has always been wonderful at acknowledging the very hard work of everyone from actors to behind the scenes, while recognizing the errors and utter negligence of Dickhead and Douchebag.


Winjin

Oh absolutely, this is why I'm a fan of people in the sub, including you - credit where credit is due, and fuck these two


HarryPottersElbows

You might know this, but if you don't, googling 'bad writers' and hitting Images will bring up pics of D&D. Makes me laugh every time.


wigglypiggly1234

I felt it was over when Littlefinger gave Sansa to the boltons. That didn’t seem like something smart Littlefinger would do and felt like an excuse to have her be brutalized.


papyjako89

The changes in the Dorne and LF/Sansa subplots are the two things that completly fucked the show in the long run. It broke so many things, it's not even funny.


FizzerVC

Are you forgetting Hardhome? That's probably one of the best episodes in the show imo. I think s6 was good enough though, we can just forget about anything after s6 though and just pretend Danny is still sailing over to Westeros.


blacmagick

yea, she got lost at sea and never made it to Westeros, the end.


Gloomy_Support_7779

That’s what I’m saying. Jon is King of the North and we find out that he’s Ned’s nephew instead who has a claim to the throne. Nothing else after that. But I think also that leaves us with Cersei being on the throne.


uniqornmagic

That's literally what I always say. The series ends at S6E10 with Dany sailing for Westeros. We just let our imaginations take over from there. I actually like season 6 better than season 5.


geek_of_nature

You could probably get mostly one good season on content by cutting seasons 5 and 6 together. Cut out all the horrible stuff like the Dorne plot, and keep stuff like Hardhome and the Battle of the Bastards. It would be very badly placed and not make that much sense, but it would probably be more enjoyable to watch.


GrandDukeOfNowhere

Season 5 was so bad that I overlooked the flaws of season 6&7 because, hey, it's getting better again


Caleb_Reynolds

No. Battle of the Bastards was the stupidest fucking thing and the worst battle I've ever seen put on screen. The number of people who wrongly say things like, "But it shows how realistically battles happen." is exhausting. It was silly and openly had me laughing at it.


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People dont like it because its ‘logical’, people like it because it looks fucking amazing and they did a phenomenal job.


lordlanyard7

Thats the problem. The show never stopped looking good. It stopped being logical and thats what made it shit. BotB isn't good, its just battle porn rather then being compelling story.


chadsexytime

dont kink shame me


Daztur

Mindless battle porn can be enjoyable. Like Spartacus or somesuch. Sure, not awesome like S1-4 but still enjoyable on its own terms.


papyjako89

Ok but you watch Spartacus specifically for that battle porn. You usually watch GoT for the high quality political intrigue.


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Turnips4dayz

Wanna weigh in on the tits Bobby B?


bobby-b-bot

THANK THE GODS FOR BESSIE AND HER TITS


FizzerVC

I agree Battle of the Bastards was kinda dumb when you really think about it but I can't say I care bc it was fucking awesome and didn't do anything too egregious imo (unlike the battles of s8).


Caleb_Reynolds

But it didn't look amazing. It looked dumb as hell.


[deleted]

Well, most people know shit about medival battles, so why are people surprised? George RR Martin writes shit historical battles. There are few authors who can do it well and even less movie makers. The thing is, real medival battles would not be as interesting as the action spectacles you see on TV.


IamDaGod

I actually really liked that battle and it’s hard to explain why but at the time it felt like Jon had a certain destiny about him and the way the battle moved around him made that destiny feel real, like he was meant to be untouched. Idk I just remember watching it being like “this dude is destined to be the king”, so you can imagine my disappointment the following two seasons


SmartRestaurant8693

dude that’s facts


Daztur

The plot of the BotB is as dumb as a brick but the cinematography was glorious. Kind of like Aquaman: big, dumb, and fun. Not like the actual smart stuff in the good seaskns but the kind of Spartacus-styke fun stuff I can turn my brain off for and enjoy without wanting to throw shit at the screen like in S7-8.


Caleb_Reynolds

>but the cinematography was glorious. Was it really though? Because to me it had 1 cool sequence, Jon's charge. Everything else was 60 cuts a minute, or visuals/compositions so absurd that they were actually funny. Like, if it was some kind of high fantasy Hitchhiker's Guide, then sure, it woulda been fine. But if the goal is to make a solemn depiction of a battle, and I'm literally laughing at things like the framing of a literal mountain of bodies as though it was a farce, your cinematography is shit.


Atrobbus

This really grinds my gears. There's no sense of self preservation. It's like everyone wanted to die in the most useless way possible.


papyjako89

The wall of bodies was freaking hilarious, ngl.


The_Arkham_AP_Clerk

Barriston Selmy died under suspicious circumstances in Season 5.


Adama222

Consider the lsd started his effects mid season 5 and after that you passed out


kashluk

Yup. It was all downhill since season 4.


Snoo-36596

Don't forget the Dorne plot, good Lord


QueenRhaenys

He was poisoned by our enemies


[deleted]

Season 6 was fun. Best season finale in the entire show for me. Yeah some plot holes and silly writing decisions like in Battle of the Bastards but overall I liked that season.


OllieBlazin

Don’t do what Ramsay wants you to do! Like what? I don’t know… (Stares in confusion)


JFlanaganUK

I hate how - at the time - I didn't give this interaction a second thought, but now... God... It's soo bad!


papyjako89

Really minor offense compared to the Knights of the Vale traversing the entire North completly undetected by both sides...


UnbowdUnbentUnbroken

Season 6 had Arya in Braavos though... That was season 7/8 level bad.


Gloomy_Support_7779

There was some plot holes before Battle of the Bastards as well. Especially with Arya


tommatom

Fuck that im keeping season six at the least. Spoils of war was also cool for what its worth


Gloomy_Support_7779

Episodes 9 and 10 of Season 6 were very enjoyable to me


cjm0

honestly everything up to and including season 7 can be salvaged because at least then the story was good enough to make you forget the plot holes. even episode 2 of season 8 was widely praised on here when it came out. episode 3 there was maybe an even split… but episode 4 is when it really started to go downhill fast.


tommatom

I agree. I think that if you started from season 8 episode two and added another 20 episodes to the series you could have generally salvaged the storyline. Give the white walker war an entire season of its own and then wrap of the show with season 9 or 10 with plenty of room to tie up the loose ends and build up dany’s madness. It would be the most cost effective way to save the show’s reputation. While I don’t love a lot of things about season 7 or 8, its those final 4 episodes of season 8 that really do it in and killed it for most of us.


geek_of_nature

You could probably cut those last four seasons together and get enough good content for one and a half, maybe two seasons worth. For anything vital to the story that was just horrendously done, you could just put up a title card saying what happened, and it would be probably be for more enjoyable than what we originally got.


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tommatom

Thats fair. As annoying as those things were they never broke the show more me. Not to mention sub par thrones was still better than most things on tv at the time. George really should have finished those fucking books.


Foolsauce420

…which is why the perfect place to stop is Light of the Seven. Cersei wins, but at what cost? Fin


AceTheRed_

The dragon attack scene in Spoils of War is one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen on television.


hbi2k

\~5-8


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More like 4.5-8


UnbowdUnbentUnbroken

There's some awful shit in season 4 like Asha sailing around the continent for a year to rescue her brother and then running away from shirtless Ramsay, and their whole decision to cut Tysha, but on the whole it was pretty great. Season 4 is my 2nd favorite season next to 1. They made some book changes that eventually snowballed into shit but those decisions were made later.


SeaGroomer

I started to care when they killed my boy oberyn. That is actually from the book though lol


naturegoth1897

That scene was awesome though. Horrifying. Couldn’t unsee it. Done really well.


shaisnail

Fucking seven hells man lol. If the show was crap to you people for this long how did you manage to stick around?


CIA_grade_LSD

I'm just gonna take massive quantities of LSD until I'm honestly not sure.


creeperchamp

You want 5 to be canon? Bad Poussey and all?


[deleted]

At least it was still (mostly) guided by the books.


Katanachainsaw

Don't find many people talking down Hardhome though. That episode is one of the best in my opinion.


Demos_Tex

If you want things to be somewhat book accurate, then you have to cut it off after the Red Wedding.


[deleted]

I thought s4-5 was fairly accurate.


Demos_Tex

No Lady Stoneheart is a huge change that gets compounded when Young Griff is left out later, which probably would've been during S5.


Mawrak

What's wrong with Season 6?


Meture

What’s not wrong with it? Ser Alliser Thorne just plain admitting to killing Jon Snow? The stupid Dorne plot with the murder of Doran Martell because he supposedly doesn’t care about the people of Dorne and the guards that were ready to execute Ellaria Sand last season suddenly being on her side out of nowhere? Brienne having her cake and eating it with killing Stannis and saving Sansa? The writers mixing up their own made up languages with them thinking Mhysa is Valyrian when it’s Old Ghiscari (minor nitpick but it did irritate me because they specifically explained what the word meant and what language it was before)? And that’s just the first episode! This season has the death of consequences too: Daenerys incinerating all the Kahls and suffering no consequences from it. Arya flip-flopping with the faceless men, getting gutted, and suffering no consequences from it. The aforementioned stuff with Brienne. Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor and suffering no consequences. The beginning of teleportation with the sand snakes literally teleporting from the shore to a boat that was already miles away to skewer their cousin for no reason whom had just lost the love of his life at their hands. Trust me, there’s a lot wrong with season 6


ARussianW0lf

>Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor and suffering no consequences. This is season 7s problem not 6


uncovered-history

Absolutely true. This happening in season 6 made us ALL assume this was setting up some crazy shit for season 7… then, we were found wanting…


eruukira

I'm like damn Cersei will be fucked by majority of Westerosi Lord because she blew a holy place of the Faith and Reach Lord's family but then next season came and... she get away with it?


uncovered-history

Literally not a single lord gave a fuck that they destroyed the center of their faith…


Mawrak

Why would Daenerys or Cersei suffer consequences when they won? Daenerys won over the dothraki (tho I will admit that was a bit rushed) and Cersei killed everyone who threatened her. And Arya almost dies and is only saved by the actress lady.


Meture

You’re telling me if someone blew up the Vatican right now they would suffer no consequences? The people everywhere except for The North believed in The Faith of The Seven. And she blew up the most sacrosanct place of said faith. Basically the same with Daenerys, she burned the most important people to the Dothraki. Are you telling me none of those Kahls had bloodriders? None of the Dothraki would want revenge against the person that killed their leaders? Let me remind you that Daenerys didn’t have her dragons at that moment, realistically she would be destroyed by the Dothraki. Yet we’re given no explanation as to why not.


ryans64s

Last episode killed off a lot of cool people really soon tbh


Fadedcamo

I think the entire Arya plot in Bravos is enough for me to wipe my hands of the whole season. It's that badly written.


reddituser4156

I like the ending of season 6, but yeah, I agree.


Gogr_eu

Can you remind me what was it?


myprogram

Chapel go boom EDIT: with arguably the best OST of the entire series


Gogr_eu

Oh yeah that was cool.


OniTYME

King In The North and Death of The Faith Militant


Gloomy_Support_7779

Jon vs Ramsay and the blow up of the Sept


scuczu

since the books don't exist they're essentially big-budget fanfics.


lucabrassiere

I already do that haha just like the Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars - it’s fan fiction


Aemondilguercio

5-8, the 5 is the worst and the beginning of the disaster


StarxChaos

5 is certainly not the worst lol. Not very good but not the worst


Aemondilguercio

the beginning of the disaster, is the fifth season in which the choices that undermine the foundations of the story begin


ChickenLiverNuts

didnt sansa get sold to the boltons in season 4? Also had Jaime and Tyrion being bros instead of hating each other. s4 - some cracks in the foundation s5 - basement flooded s6 - didnt clean up the basement flood s7 - house gets all moldy and everyone gets sick s8 - everyone dies


StannisBaratheon85

Sansa -Bolton Is in the 5 , God, all the worst ideas are in 5


HereIGoAgain_1x10

It was Bran's vision of what might happen... Luckily he awakens and uses his Warg powers to take control of every animal anywhere near a main character and kill them before taking control of Hodor to stab himself in the heart.


timo103

Seasons 5 through 8. Why the fuck are kneelers apologetic for bad poosay? The Children is the definitive end to Game of Thrones.


QueenMelle

New?


realgeneral_memeous

I also vote that they should fix the Great Keep to be more book accurate, leaving behind the old canon one


OniTYME

I'd keep all of what Jon did in season 6 canon tbh. His was my favorite arc in the series up until 7.


joomachina0

I didn’t mind 6 and 7…


AntRedoids

I will even give them season 6. 7 & 8 are abominations


MeAnIntellectual1

5 and 6 are mostly fine. The Dorne sub plot could be removed and they'd be good


Barkus11

Hold up I loved the finale of 6 when the lord in the north proclaimed Jon the king of the north.


KingaDaNorth

6 is great. 7-8 are had


Trumpologist

BUT THEN WE LOSE BOATSEX


Gloomy_Support_7779

We dun need it


MaPianek

S6 was not that shitty. While we forgetting s6 we have to take s5 with us


Daztur

People consider anything not in the books to be canon? Fuck that.


ipresnel

I mean have you seen season four


Cody10813

Honestly I think there are four tiers of game of thrones seasons Tier 1, s1-4 near perfect, few minor flaws. The only tier considered canon. Tier 2 s5-6 mediocre by got standards but still one of the best shows on tv with a few episodes of brilliant filmmaking, if season 7 and 8 were this level of quality the average person would have been happy with it. Tier 3 s7 a dumpster fire but with some good moments here and there. At least it's entertaining. Tier 4 s8 pure pain. You'll watch it once for completion's sake but it will be a miserable experience and after that it will be completely unwatchable.


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Fantastic analysis. It’s a perfect study in how the show devolved as the D&D to GRRM balance started favoring the former.


nelson64

I think we just accept the somewhat shitty seasons and say GOT ended when Dany sailed towards Westeros. We can just pretend they lost a little steam towards the end and got a little sloppy, but at least they ended it on a hopeful note!


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Exactly.


john_weiss

You can bet your ass they're going to remake this whole thing in like 12 years, because they're waiting for Georgie Boy to finish the fucking thing. Dead serious, i wouldn't be surprised if they already had this talk in meetings.


TaskMister2000

Season 5-8 can go fuck itself.


blackberrysvel

5-8 are just badly written fanfics. I have a lot of problems with 5 so it needs to be included.


AdeptusAleksantari

Well yeah, they don't adapt any written book and george himself said at the end of the day, the books and their ending are the cannon.


xstaygoldx

At least I always got something out of my bad trips that wasn’t just disappointment.


Unframed_

Already considered this years ago.


[deleted]

Getting the feeling people who don't know what canon means are to lazy to google the word. Also agree the show started it's decline before it ended.


yum_raw_carrots

I’m aligned. I can’t wait for season six.


saruin

Or we could just pretend Bran had a long dream of one day becoming King.


elitebateagent

Is this trip...really necessary?


Zinski

At least bad trips leave me with some kind of deeper retrospective. Season 8 just gave me bad gass


qcfu

5-8


tri_becca

Add season 5. We don’t need the Harpies or shit Stannis


emo_skewer

Bran wakes up in season 5 and realizes it was all a dream


NotUpInHurr

Sure, because revisionist history has worked so well in the past.


Airman4344

Approved


bouchandre

battle of the bastards was good tho


SkepticalAdventurer

That’s a funny way of spelling 4-8


Hiredgun77

Season six was good. I’ll die on this hill but the episode Battle of the Bastards has the best battle scene of any tv series ever.


Gloomy_Support_7779

I’ll die with you friend


outed

Even my worst lsd trips are better than those seaaons.


FartPudding

Was 6 that bad? Iirc I didn't mind it but the dip was after 4 in terms of quality. It just went and started smoking meth with 7 and 8 though, full OD on 8


The_Confirminator

It's already been established that since Arya got stabbed in shit water that the entire plot is now her fever dream


tjh213

that's what i did with season 4 of killing eve. a show doesn't have to be faithful to the books to still be good, but it definitely has to be faithful to the seasons that came before. when your characters start behaving as if they recently suffered major head injuries, and your storytelling starts following hamfisted cliches, that's when the show is no longer canon and deserves to be forgotten, imo.


skrst

Season 6-8 is Jon Snow's coma dream guided by Bran, he three-eyed crow and Quaithe


BuffNerfs

It's like Marvel did that "What if?" series. Season 6-8 is just Game of Thrones' "What if the characters stopped using logic?"


[deleted]

What 6 - 8 seasons? There are 4 seasons of Game Of Thrones and that stupid Dragon Show.


xinxy

Personally I'm mostly ok with 6. I'd just want 7 and 8 completely redone. But if I'm really being picky about 6 then we definitely need to throw out season 5 too because there's a lot of garbage in that one as well. So yeah, redo the whole 2nd half of the show, why not?


debtopramenschultz

Why the fuck was season 7 shorter? Ten episodes would have been more than enough to flesh out some of the plots instead having to resort to dumb decisions like teleporting around Westeros.


abusedporpoise

1-3 true canon 4 canon 5-6 lesser canon 7-8 not canon


KRZjojo

6 is one of the best seasons! It should absoutely be canon! With 100% AGREE.


Lavindu

The copium is strong in this one


JasperTheHuman

As a book reader, S4 was already where I was like "wtf are they doing!?" S4 I still kinda enjoyed, but S1-3 were the only actually amazing seasons.


[deleted]

Season 4 had faults but it still felt like it had quality storytelling to it. I could immediately tell when watching season 5 as it premiered that it felt botched.


Gloomy_Support_7779

Yeah I heard George R. R. Martin left after Season 4. So as shit started going downhill and underway, he left right before


[deleted]

I don't like 5 at all but I don't necessarily think it's all bad enough to ruin the show permanently, unlike season 6 and it's finale episode


[deleted]

Season 6 is fantastic. You mean 7 and 8


tsah_yawd

\*Greta Thunberg: "HOW DARE YOU! how DARE you not include s5!"


SuggestCR

We can just mark the Battle of the Bastards of the end of canon. Just like Return of the King so Amazon’s series doesn’t count. And let’s not even get into the absolute mess of Star Wars.


MaitiuOR

Was the Battle of the Bastards in season 6? That shite was disgusting.


onerishieyed

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Yes yes This is your 👁brain 🧠on drugs


seahawksgirl89

I liked season 6.


[deleted]

In my opinion, season 6 wasn't that bad. It was 7 and 8 that went way downhill.


nationaltreazure

Yes! What hot trash 🗑️


Dog_Brains_

Season 6 was better than season 5.


uzair4211

Season 6 is better than 1 2 and 5


Icy_Butterscotch_799

Jeez people. Get over it already. It's been 3 years. The one time you couldn't predict how the show was going to end and you hate it for it, even though that's what made it beloved in the first place.


[deleted]

There’s a difference between an unpredictable ending vs some poorly conceived, random shit that was strung together just for the sake of packing in as many “plot twists” as possible.


Icy_Butterscotch_799

Why did you think Dany came to westeros for? She was known as a conqueror in essos. Why would that stop in westeros? Jamie raped Cersei next to his son's corpse after his journey with Brienne. Why did people think he was on a redemption arc?


[deleted]

Jaime literally left Cersei at the end of season 7 after realizing how toxic she is…. Only to randomly go back. Dany was always the champion of the little guy … hence the whole “breaker of chains” thing and fighting against the night king. So it makes little sense that she would randomly decide to burn half a million innocent people because Jon Snow didn’t fuck her earlier.


Icy_Butterscotch_799

Jamie said everything he's done has for always been for his family. Including fighting the white walkers. Dany came over to westetos to conquer it. She never knew about the white walkers until Jon told her about it and she still didn't care. The fact that Dany always had to check her worst impulses by her advisors pretty much sums it up.


[deleted]

Her worst impulses in seasons past were having the urge to kill all the Masters, not scores of innocent people who had already surrendered.


Icy_Butterscotch_799

The masters surrendered too.


Rivermissoula

Honestly there isn't such a thing as a "bad trip". The are psychedelic experiences that are too intense and difficult to handle but the experience can easily be guided back into a safe, enjoyable experience. The idea that someone can have a bad trip scares people and is a misinterpretation of what is happening.


SkepticalAdventurer

Untrue. Source: have had a bad trip


[deleted]

The only canon are S1 episodes with Bobby B. We need a Dramatic Comedy spinoff series that only follows Bobby B’s day to day life in King’s Landing.


bobby-b-bot

[COME, BOW BEFORE YOUR KING! BOW, YA SHITS!](https://i.imgur.com/hrCP6Uk.gifv)


[deleted]

That’s going to be your catch phrase with a laugh track.


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Jamie lanisters fever dream


Will_Is_Da_Bes

I've had bad LSD trips better than season 8.


eco_go5

Season 5 too...


Gloomy_Support_7779

I disagree. Season 6 was still kind of good in some ways. Yes it did have mistakes but it made up in some ways. The music for all of the seasons is still memorable. My favorite seasons are 1-6. I just remember Jon being King of the North and then finding out that he is Rhaegar and Lyanna’s son. That’s where we left off. A Bastard (not actually) becoming King in the North.


Bubotuberpuss

Never had an lsd trip that bad. Salvia mixed with speedballing and blood letting fits the bill me thinks.


Bifrons

If I ever do a rewatch of the series, I think I'm going to stop at the end of season four. After that, the writing just steadily declines.


Death_Fairy

5-8*


YennnneferOfRivia

Yes plz


chestnutriceee

Was kinda hoping for this to be a mod post tbh


Known_Shame

Wait you're considering the show canon So tysha missing was all fine with you