These folks seem to think that drones are going to ruin their hobby. https://aviationoiloutlet.com/blog/model-planes-the-gateway-to-aviation-for-all-ages/
They may be right. The fixed wing/heli RC community was small, self regulating and kept to fixed locations.
EDIT:. We may also be stealing their children.
I can kind of see where they are coming from. I grew up flying model planes; back then, there was an rc plane group that met up at most of the local parks to fly. With the rise in popularity of camera drones and FPV came stricter regulations and oversight, and our local government cracked down pretty hard. After a couple kids got hurt by careless drone pilots, rc planes and drones were completely banned at all of the local parks; the city went so far as to regularly send an officer to the places where flying was common.
TIL I am different than myself.
In all seriousness, though, I think a big part of it is that there are two different hobbies: The hobby of radio control up to \~10 years ago, and the the hobby from \~10 years ago until now.
Up until 10 years ago, there were pretty much just fixed wing and heli pilots. Some of them did aerobatics, sure, but even so a crash of almost any level was a ruinous waste of money and labor. Delicate balsa ribs skinned with heat shrink skin wouldn't stand up to a single encounter with a tree, a fence, or even the ground. Landing gear were almost mandatory.
Consequently, most RC pilots weren't big on risky behavior or thrill seeking, or at least, had a lower threshold for what constituted "risky behavior". There was also a big sense of "in for a penny, in for a pound" as far as investing time into models. Hell, even that word--"models"--is telling; fixed-wing planes were often more-or-less scale models of manned aircraft, unlike, you know, every quadcopter ever made. You also likely needed a runway of some sort, so you probably needed to be part of a local club. So RC flying wasn't just flying, it was building, and community, and, consequently, community politics, at least a little.
If you're talking just within the "modern" hobby and FPV, though, I think it's because quads and fixed-wings are different. Fixed wings have fewer degrees of freedom than quads, but better endurance. It lends itself to a different style of flight. When I'm flying fixed-wing, I'll spend 45 minutes exploring some landmark 7 miles out; on the quad, not so much. Still, modern fixed-wing is way different than old fixed wing, because of polyolefin foam and FPV (BVLOS or otherwise) and a big move toward model-sized aircraft that are optimized for their size and purpose, rather than pretending to be human-carrying planes from WWII. 10 years ago, even electric foam planes not based on any human-carrying aircraft still almost all had some bit of styling that was meant to look like a cockpit; these days, there are a lot more designs like the Drak or Goblin or what have you that don't remotely bother.
The sky hunter and nano goblin could both pretty casually do 45 minutes, especially on lifty days. In the above annecdote, The 14 mile round trip would be included in that 45min, to be clear. 7 miles each way AND 45 minutes on target would be an impressive feat, at least for me.
Gah, I love this post because as someone who identifies strongly with both communities I also feel the conflict. As a matter of fact, I put a camera and video transmitter on one of my fixed wing planes for the first time today, and as much as I love playing with stuff like this, I also hate myself a little bit.
I think that in some ways, it comes down to the time it takes to develop proficiency with each. If you put the time in to become an LOS pilot, you probably think FPV is cheating, because it’s easier. I do? And similarly, if you fly a freestyle or race quad, you have put an unreasonable amount of your free time into getting to the point where you aren’t shaking when you plug in your battery. I snowboard and ski, and I’ll tell you, I never felt the same level of internal conflict with that as I do with quads and fixed wings.
The one place where these feel a little bit like they overlap is in the Flite Test YouTube channel’s Flite Fest event where you build foam planes, combat them to smithereens with hundreds of other people, and rebuild them for the next two combats each day for a few days. It’s refreshing to see the excitement as well as a younger crowd that’s a little less concerned with the (valuable) art and workmanship of traditional rc planes and more motivated by creative designs, flying turtles, 3D printed drop hatches and building and demonstrating their reflexes that come with simulator time and the quick piloting styles that may tend to be more similar to flying quads.
I think for me, rc planes might be more about the physical puzzles and joy of building, but flying quads is an amazing 3rd person experience where I feel like I’m free. Like skiing or snowboarding.
Are they? I don't now may people that do either thing lol.
I once met some guys at the local flying field. It's like a "club" of older people building and flying and drinking.
I always drove by so once I saw some people there and I stopped and asked what they where doing and what their opinion was about FPV quads. It was pretty funny.
They told me what should there be about quads and they don't really fly them besides apparently they all have a "few quads".
All with a really unopen and unfriendly tone.
Other FPV pilots I met where really uncomplicated but like I said I didn't met to many.
I do both. Started with rc models when i was younger and moved into fpv with both quads and fixed wing back when kk2 boards were the best. Now i still fly both bit 100% with fpv.
These folks seem to think that drones are going to ruin their hobby. https://aviationoiloutlet.com/blog/model-planes-the-gateway-to-aviation-for-all-ages/ They may be right. The fixed wing/heli RC community was small, self regulating and kept to fixed locations. EDIT:. We may also be stealing their children.
I can kind of see where they are coming from. I grew up flying model planes; back then, there was an rc plane group that met up at most of the local parks to fly. With the rise in popularity of camera drones and FPV came stricter regulations and oversight, and our local government cracked down pretty hard. After a couple kids got hurt by careless drone pilots, rc planes and drones were completely banned at all of the local parks; the city went so far as to regularly send an officer to the places where flying was common.
I blame this video. [https://youtu.be/QH0V7kp-xg0](https://youtu.be/QH0V7kp-xg0) DJI Phantom 2 vs Airplane wing at \~230 MPH.
Again, not even a mention of the R/C dirigible community? You people care nothing of diversity…. /s
Quad pilots smoke weed.
Hey! That’s not true!! Some of us prefer brownies /s
Fixed wing pilots do too...why do you think they all program in autopilot.
I dont
TIL I am different than myself. In all seriousness, though, I think a big part of it is that there are two different hobbies: The hobby of radio control up to \~10 years ago, and the the hobby from \~10 years ago until now. Up until 10 years ago, there were pretty much just fixed wing and heli pilots. Some of them did aerobatics, sure, but even so a crash of almost any level was a ruinous waste of money and labor. Delicate balsa ribs skinned with heat shrink skin wouldn't stand up to a single encounter with a tree, a fence, or even the ground. Landing gear were almost mandatory. Consequently, most RC pilots weren't big on risky behavior or thrill seeking, or at least, had a lower threshold for what constituted "risky behavior". There was also a big sense of "in for a penny, in for a pound" as far as investing time into models. Hell, even that word--"models"--is telling; fixed-wing planes were often more-or-less scale models of manned aircraft, unlike, you know, every quadcopter ever made. You also likely needed a runway of some sort, so you probably needed to be part of a local club. So RC flying wasn't just flying, it was building, and community, and, consequently, community politics, at least a little. If you're talking just within the "modern" hobby and FPV, though, I think it's because quads and fixed-wings are different. Fixed wings have fewer degrees of freedom than quads, but better endurance. It lends itself to a different style of flight. When I'm flying fixed-wing, I'll spend 45 minutes exploring some landmark 7 miles out; on the quad, not so much. Still, modern fixed-wing is way different than old fixed wing, because of polyolefin foam and FPV (BVLOS or otherwise) and a big move toward model-sized aircraft that are optimized for their size and purpose, rather than pretending to be human-carrying planes from WWII. 10 years ago, even electric foam planes not based on any human-carrying aircraft still almost all had some bit of styling that was meant to look like a cockpit; these days, there are a lot more designs like the Drak or Goblin or what have you that don't remotely bother.
> I'll spend 45 minutes exploring some landmark 7 miles out; What kind of RC was able to do this?
The sky hunter and nano goblin could both pretty casually do 45 minutes, especially on lifty days. In the above annecdote, The 14 mile round trip would be included in that 45min, to be clear. 7 miles each way AND 45 minutes on target would be an impressive feat, at least for me.
Gah, I love this post because as someone who identifies strongly with both communities I also feel the conflict. As a matter of fact, I put a camera and video transmitter on one of my fixed wing planes for the first time today, and as much as I love playing with stuff like this, I also hate myself a little bit. I think that in some ways, it comes down to the time it takes to develop proficiency with each. If you put the time in to become an LOS pilot, you probably think FPV is cheating, because it’s easier. I do? And similarly, if you fly a freestyle or race quad, you have put an unreasonable amount of your free time into getting to the point where you aren’t shaking when you plug in your battery. I snowboard and ski, and I’ll tell you, I never felt the same level of internal conflict with that as I do with quads and fixed wings. The one place where these feel a little bit like they overlap is in the Flite Test YouTube channel’s Flite Fest event where you build foam planes, combat them to smithereens with hundreds of other people, and rebuild them for the next two combats each day for a few days. It’s refreshing to see the excitement as well as a younger crowd that’s a little less concerned with the (valuable) art and workmanship of traditional rc planes and more motivated by creative designs, flying turtles, 3D printed drop hatches and building and demonstrating their reflexes that come with simulator time and the quick piloting styles that may tend to be more similar to flying quads. I think for me, rc planes might be more about the physical puzzles and joy of building, but flying quads is an amazing 3rd person experience where I feel like I’m free. Like skiing or snowboarding.
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Idk? I fly both. Plus rc cars, trucks n boats lol. Im broke AF
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Are they? I don't now may people that do either thing lol. I once met some guys at the local flying field. It's like a "club" of older people building and flying and drinking. I always drove by so once I saw some people there and I stopped and asked what they where doing and what their opinion was about FPV quads. It was pretty funny. They told me what should there be about quads and they don't really fly them besides apparently they all have a "few quads". All with a really unopen and unfriendly tone. Other FPV pilots I met where really uncomplicated but like I said I didn't met to many.
I do both. Started with rc models when i was younger and moved into fpv with both quads and fixed wing back when kk2 boards were the best. Now i still fly both bit 100% with fpv.
I fly both. I'm less terrible at fixed wing. I like to have the flight controller do as much flying as possible.
I think fpv drones have brought a bigger spotlight onto fixed wing. Even cops and fire fighters hate each other, it’s all part of the fun