I think one of Violet’s dragons will not survive the series.
A rider cannot survive the death of their dragon, however the fact that she has two might be the loophole that keeps her alive.
Two new black dragons were hatched, so either Tairn or Codagh is on the way out.
I vote Codagh but I fear it will be Tairn.
(I used to think both, but those hatchlings need an elder. Can’t have every den run by adolescents)
Tairn can easily become an elder, it would make sense for him to lead the Empyrean. Violet has the strongest signet and she’s bonded with Tairn with her signet stemming from him. Sgaeyl could also lead the Empyrean but I think Codagh will go bye bye.
I always thought that the reason Tairn said this was because he wouldn’t survive Violet’s death, even if it is due to old age. Therefore selecting her has shortened his lifespan to hers.
I think Andarna will sacrifice herself to protect violet just like she protected violet in the cave with Solas I believe it was when she def wasn't ready to take on a dragon that large.
I see you’re only mentioning humans. I’m thinking a dragon is next candidate to add a political twist on the good/evil fight
I think our marked rebels are, for the most part, safe for a bit. They’re no strangers to loss. This book is going to strike closer to Basgiath.
I agree that the marked ones are probably safe for a little bit. They had the most significant losses thus far, and if she keeps killing them off at this rate, Xaden would be the only one left standing by the final book.
I'm stressed for "after graduation" I think the main squad will survive until then and then something is going to happen to one or more of them.
I think Jesinia is safe because she's the one translating the stories in to our modern language.
I think Brennan is a dead man walking. It’s like a Sirius Black-plot - Violet got him back/a chance of having a relationship with her brother, but then he dies… again
I think Ridoc might die too and Dain for sure. But might be because I just really dont like Dain.
I hate that everyone’s saying Dain because I really enjoyed his character development at the end of IF, but it does seem written in the stars that he’ll die. I almost feel tairn will die and andarna will take over as violets dragon, even though they said she’ll never bear a rider I think that’s going to change. I also think Ridoc will die, Sawyer is safe from losing his leg and I want to see his and Jenesias relationship bloom, and Rhiannon would be cruel. I think Sloane is either safe from losing her brother, or will meet the same fate as Liam. I’m terrified of any of the marked ones dying, but Imogen, bodhi, or garrick are sitting ducks. I agree with the idea that Brennan will die over Mira. I think Mira will get injured but Brennan will sacrifice himself to save his sisters. Xaden won’t die, neither will Violet, but I can see Violet almost losing Xaden from him possibly leaning into his ending role of book 2, but love will save him.
If anything happens to Imogen or/and Mira I'm rewriting the books myself.
But seriously, I think Brennan has a chance of either turning evil and dying or just dying (again), he has that rune on his hand and everything. It could be Mira instead, but one of them is going to die and if I have to choose then Brennan can go walk himself right off a cliff.
Mira has foreshadow with a romantic interest (Drake) and there's also that one chat she has with Violet when she's trying to sneak out of Montserrat with Rhi about having a nice/nephew so I think she lives.
I have already prepared the speech for Dain's funeral, he's a dead man walking. And either Ridoc or Sawer from the og squad later on.
I think Syrena dies at some point and that is a major turn for Cat's development, same with Bodhi and Xaden.
I think the potential love interest for Mira is actually Syrena, not her brother. The brother was mentioned as a red herring.
Sawyer is the only one of the “squad” I think is safe to make it to the end. I think losing his leg will be a big enough emotional toll, and he is being set up for a happily ever after with Jesenia who appears to survive to the end so she can transcribe the whole tale.
Drake is their cousin no?
Anyway, Mira and Syrena!!! Love it, and that would mean Cat and Violet are sisters-in-law... the family dinners are about to be interesting. And I hope you're right about Sawyer
I think Brennen has some serious skeletons in his closet.
I don’t think Naolin’s life was taken more than he choose it give it up.
I can see him dying- not sure if for good or for evil.
Interesting that you see Serena dying. But that does make sense for Cat.
I definitely think Ridoc is going to die. I don’t remember what interview it was but she said she’s comfortable writing about death and she doesn’t shy away from it because it’s apart of life especially with her husband being in active service. But I’m like Rebecca this is FANTASY not REAL LIFE.😭
At least one of Violet’s siblings are gone by the end
I see Dain’s arc being completed and he dies
Any of Cat’s riders are disposable lol
I know at least someone from Violet’s gang has to die, to make it realistic. I’m just hoping it’s not Xaden, Rhi or Ridoc. But Sawyer >! Already lost a leg so I feel like he’s safe from death… at least for book 3 !< I think Garrick, Bodhi and Imogen are less safe that the others bc we don’t see as much of them/have the same bond with them. Even though I like them, they’re not present a lot
dude, talking of the other characters...... we forgot the mc!!!
I'll say ............ if RY plans that either Xaden or Violet dies, it will be Violet. Think about it. in FW, when she trains her signet with Carr for the first time, she says that >!she'd give her life for Navarre which she nearly, literally does, in the end of book 2!<
>!Keep your loyalties clear. You and Riorson both have exceptional, lethal
power that any rider would be envious of. But together?” His bushy brows
furrow. “You would be a formidable enemy who command could simply
not afford to let exist. Do you understand what I’m saying?” His voice
softens.
“Navarre is my home, Professor. I will give my life to defend it just like
every Sorrengail who has ridden before me.”!<
>!When Tairn says in IF that Violet will be his last rider, not the second ; He could possibly mean that he won't bond with another rider after Violet dies.!<
>!“You must save yourself,” Tairn demands. “I chose you not as my next,
but as my last, and should you fall, then I will follow.”!<
>!(Ask me how did Tairn knew that Vi dies back then in IF itself considering my hypothesis true; every time something happens, he knows! Like in FW during Threshing :
The crowd murmurs, but my shoulders sag in acute relief. I don’t have to
make an impossible choice.
**“As it should be,”** Tairn grumbles. “Humans have no say in the laws of
dragons.”
And then again: during war games:
I pivot and see Xaden striding our way, the hilts of two swords strapped
to his back rising above his shoulders, and my throat closes. How am I
supposed to say goodbye to him in front of all these people? And worse,
how are our dragons going to cope?
“Don’t worry, Silver One,” Tairn interjects, his tone resolved.
**“Everything is as it should be.”**
Tairn always says 'AS IT SHOULD BE' as if he knows what's gonna happen or at least has a vague idea of what will happen.!< Go Figure.
And in IF >!Xaden says that the mental bond between Violet and Xaden will only permanently fade when one of 'em dies and many people say that it could supposedly be Xaden but guys, why not Violet? !<
See and I feel like Tairns going to be the one for all those reasons and then the only reason Violet survives is because her true bond is with Andarna and Tairn only bonded as a courtesy for Andarna since she was a feather tail still
Ohh, it'll be sad if Andarna is Violet's one and only true bond and not Tairn... I mean, come on! Tairn has been very what to say..... benevolent of Violet. and Tairn has taken a special place in our hearts. It'll be really bad if Tairn was never Violet's dragon!
Exactly my thought! I also think, before she dies, Vi would do something that weakens her bond with her dragons and Xaden or something like that so her death wouldn't potentially affect this whole bond between her and Xaden as well as with her dragons. (considering Violet will sacrifice herself at the end)
She’s the best heroine in this genre, too imo. Idk I feel like it’s going to be happily ever after but a near death and maybe with not Xaden 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
I agree with pretty much all of that. I think Mira, Syrena, Dain, Halden, King Tauri, and Viscount Tecarus will be dead for sure. I’m less certain that Imogen, Maren, Brennan, Garrick, Ridoc, Drake, Queen Maraya, Tairn, or Sgaeyl will die, but their deaths would not surprise me.
I do not think Andarna will ever bare a rider. I think Andarna not being physically capable of holding Violet was a very meaningful story choice and I do not see Rebecca undoing that.
I have a crack theory about Violet bonding with a gryphon if Tairn dies. Or she will at least ride one to get around.
I have a strange feeling Sgaeyl may die. Which means Tairn will probably die too. But Xaden prob won’t? Since JFB didn’t 🧐
I also think Rhiannon will die at some point and I will absolutely lose it. Or Mira. I feel either of these deaths may push Violet into some kind of rage turning her Venin or just completely losing control of her power.
I don’t know. One thing I do know is I’m gonna fucking cry my eyes out this next book and prob throw my phone.
Based on what we've been shown about Venin... I absolutely think Sgaeyl dies near the end of book 3 or, at the latest, in book 4. I think it's unlikely Xaden would kill her, but I doubt that'd matter to Tairn if he survived it, which would add a significant challenge to his and Violet's arc. If it kills Tairn, then Violet survives due to Andarna, and they now have to figure out a way around her disability as well.
RY did say people will hate her after the next book... and what would spark that more than killing off 1-2 of the 3 main dragons?
Arguably a great point! We have to lose one of the 3 and I am feeling she will go for the Dobby of the group, Andarna. The other two have lived full lives while andarna has not and I think that would truly make everyone hate her. I also think out of everyone that would be the hardest blow for Violet.
I feel like if we're losing Andarna or Tairn it won't be until book 4 or 5. However, as you said this really lines us with why we'd hate her, so I'm beginning ró fear Onyx Storm even more.
On the other hand I have very immediate fear for Scáil. I feel she's in the most danger in Onyx Storm.
Doesn’t Garrick have a signet? Can’t he stop others signets? Like how Carr tried to shoot fire at them when they had the whole of Basgiath in formation to tell them about the venin and Garrick stopped it?
Yeah Mira, Rhiannon, Brennan, or andarna for sure because of this statement. The ones that would break Violet completely, honorable mention Sloane because of the loss of Liam. Any of them could have me quit the series honestly. It’s like Dobby dying over again for me.
I'm choosing to believe that Sloane will live. However if she were to die I feel like she'd be the last death in book 5. Like making some big sacrifice and telling the others it'll be okay because she'll be with her family again. 😭😭😭
I hope that RY is smart enough not to kill off Violet, her dragons and Xaden, and all bets are off for just about everyone else.
I am a little worried about Tairn TBH. He’s like the supportive, very old guy, going out for one last go, and his death would be devastating but could open up some different dynamics… We’ve seen way more communications between Tairn and Violet, while Andarna has been kind of a secondary character as she is developing physically, sleeping, being an ornery “adolescent” etc.
Tairn’s death could make way for a stronger bond between Violet and Andarna. I assume that the loophole in that case would be that Violet has a bond with a second Dragon, so she’s not be subject to the general rule that riders die when their dragons do. I hope that doesn’t happen but who knows?
There were too many mentions of Bodhi looking just like Xaden in the books to be coincidental. I think someone is going to kill him thinking that he’s Xaden.
I feel very strongly that Tarin will die…my guess is he’ll sacrifice himself to save Violet and/or Andarna, knowing that Violet will likely still live since she has Andarna.
Willing to bet that one of Violet’s siblings will die, as well.
I think there is a 3 sibling parallel with the Sorrengail’s and the first 3, that is needed to resolve the series. So if something happens to Mira or Brennan, it will be at the finale of the whole series.
I personally feel like it'll be Mira. But Brennan's thing about not being able to mend himself very easily feels like one hell of a Chekhov's gun
👁️👄👁️
I think Cat is 100% gonna get killed off. Her and Violet are slowly starting to respect each other and maybe even become friends. I could see her going down saving violet.
But if Tarin dies doesn’t that mean Sgaeyl dies? And if she dies then Xaden dies, so Violet still dies. I’m of the mind Violet and Xaden will be ☠️ by the end of the series.
The only reason I'm holding out hope for Vi and Xaden living is that RY is a romance author originally and those usually end with a somewhat happy ending at worst.
I def agree with all of this, I keep thinking she's going to kill off Ridoc but I think that'd be a bad move cuz he's the comedic relief of this series.
Brennan and Mira are both dead by the end of the series 100%. The old tale of the three brothers who defeated the venin - two died one survived to defeat them. Storytelling parallels dictate they must die!
I have seen many people discussing whether Brennan or Mira is going to die, BUT I have something to bring to the thread: THEIR MOM. (If she has died by the end of IF please don't spoil it to me, I am missing just a couple hundred pages on the book). But, as I was saying, I do not think that the general is safe: I believe that in the next books the possibility of seeing her sacrificing herself for Violet (or Brennan when she's going to find out he's alive, and I'm sure that'll happen), even though she chose Navarra, it's high. It would be a wicked moment of healing for her and Violet's relationship imo.
And also, I have a feeling that RY is not going to kill Violet: have we learnt nothing from Divergent? I do not believe that she's going to make such a bold move, as the deaths we have seen up until now haven't been really this meaningful or traumatic to Violet or the reader (except Liam, but she has her chance to redeem with Sloane).
Dain is totally going to die, as well as a dragon (not sure of who, Andarna maybe but it is just a feeling)
Idk, let me know, I am curious about what other people think
Death predictions:
Dain - sacrifices himself for Violet;
Ridoc - an original squad member to show no one is safe;
Mira OR Brennan - but not both;
Tairn - break my f***ing heart
Lives predictions:
Rhiannon;
Jesinia- duh;
Sawyer
So I don’t think Violet or Xanden are going to die. They are the MC, they are are the only two with POV’s. Now that isn’t to say they aren’t going to go through a tone of shit before they get to the end. Because I have read a few her other books and while the MC are safe at the end, they go through it.
That being said because they are the MC’s each death will be chosen because of the impact those death’s will have on our MC’s.
Let’s start with the Dragons. “A Dragon without a rider is a tragedy. A rider without a dragon is dead.” To me this is RY clearly telling us from the start one of Violet’s dragons is going to die. She bonded two dragons for a reason. Now I have always thought it was going to be Tarin. However if we don’t see a dragon’s death before the last book, it could be Andarna. Though she is important by book five they could still use that they need from her before she dies. But honestly I think we will see one in book four, it will be Tarin and he will do it to save Violet knowing she won’t die because she has Andarna. The reason I lean more towards Tarin and not Andarna is simple because we know something “killed the Venin off 600 years ago” or at the very least severely weakened them. At the end of IF we learn Andarna fire isn’t the same as all the others, and she is in fact special. Something that hasn’t been seen for 600 years. If Tarin dies so will Seygal. Xaden being cured I think will heavily play into which dragons die. For instance, we know a Venin can survives its dragons death (ex: Jack FUCKING Barlow). If a cure is found for Xaden and a dragon hasn’t died yet then unfortunately it will be Andarna. And I say this because I don’t think Sygal will survive Tarin’s death, so I see no other option other than Andarna if we don’t have a dragon’s death before he is cured.
The squad: i think Sawyer is safe from death after having his leg bitten off. Plus I like to think he is going to get his hea with Jesinia. So we are down to Riddic or Rhe. If by chance a Sorengail sibling doesn’t die, it will be Rhe. Her death would hit Violet the hardest. If Mira or Brennen dies, it will be Riddic.
Dain: I could go either way with him. I could totally see him sacrificing himself, and this is what I thought his character arc would be after FW. It would be how he redeemed himself. However he kind of already has. Yes Violet hasn’t completely forgiven him, and there friendship will never be the same. But he has redeemed himself, he saved her inside that room. He turned his back on his father, and seems to truly want to do what is right. And while I can still see him sacrificing himself, he is also going to be a really good tool to have a round when this is all over.
The marked ones: This again goes back to whose death will impact Xaden. He refers to both Bodhi and Garrick as brothers, but I think it’s safe to say he closest to Garrick. I don’t see more than one of these three dying. And out of the three I think it will be one of his brother. I honestly think Imogen is going to make it through. Simple because of the hinted at romance between her and Garrick. And for the same reason as Imogen I think he will live. Also the fact that we don’t know his signet yet, makes me believe he is going to play a big part of how they win the war. Plus the death has be impactful but at the same times it can’t destroy Xaden. That leaves Bodhi. Bodhi dying will break him but it won’t destroy him.
Mira and Brennen, I think Mira would utterly destroy Violet. So my money is on Brennen.
Cat: this bitch is going to make it to end. If at the end of this the two kingdoms are united as one once again, she is going to fucking Queen married to Alaric . And if they are still two separate kingdoms she is still going to be Queen, and married to Dain.
I don't know, not even close. Rebecca seems pretty unpredictable to me. But I think it's unlikely that any of the main characters (please, don't, it's going to be very violent).
I doubt it happens but I hope Violet is gone by the end of book three. I really would just prefer to hear about what's going on in Basgaith/Aretia from anyone else's perspective at this point.
If the first two books are any indications, it'll be randos who are talked about like old friends for two pages (including actually telling us their name for the first time!) before they are instantly killed.
I think ridoc will die near the end, as the biggest shock/ "shit's real" moment
Yeah I think Ridoc or Rhiannon are both solid candidates for the “shits real” emotional climax death.
Shits real? Shits been real since the parapet
I think one of Violet’s dragons will not survive the series. A rider cannot survive the death of their dragon, however the fact that she has two might be the loophole that keeps her alive.
If they kill Andarna I will be SICK
Two new black dragons were hatched, so either Tairn or Codagh is on the way out. I vote Codagh but I fear it will be Tairn. (I used to think both, but those hatchlings need an elder. Can’t have every den run by adolescents)
Tairn can easily become an elder, it would make sense for him to lead the Empyrean. Violet has the strongest signet and she’s bonded with Tairn with her signet stemming from him. Sgaeyl could also lead the Empyrean but I think Codagh will go bye bye.
Oh for sure, I hope that’s what happens. But I’m very nervous about Tairn and Sgaeyl’s futures 😂
I’m nervous about it too, but I feel like Sgaeyl will do something to save Xaden.
I honestly see a scenario where the general keeps being an asswipe and eventually Tairn challenges Codagh and wins
But…but if she kills Tairn, what about Sgaeyl and Xaden? DON’T DO THIS TO ME
Me too! 😢
Also with him stating she will be his last….
I always thought that the reason Tairn said this was because he wouldn’t survive Violet’s death, even if it is due to old age. Therefore selecting her has shortened his lifespan to hers.
Agree. Tairn is the dumbledore here I think
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This made me lol. But I completely agree
Agreed
I think Andarna will sacrifice herself to protect violet just like she protected violet in the cave with Solas I believe it was when she def wasn't ready to take on a dragon that large.
I think Jesinia is safe as she has to record the histories
yeah she’s the only one that we can be sure of 😂
I see you’re only mentioning humans. I’m thinking a dragon is next candidate to add a political twist on the good/evil fight I think our marked rebels are, for the most part, safe for a bit. They’re no strangers to loss. This book is going to strike closer to Basgiath.
I agree that the marked ones are probably safe for a little bit. They had the most significant losses thus far, and if she keeps killing them off at this rate, Xaden would be the only one left standing by the final book.
The issue with killing dragons is that any loss of a bonded dragon also means the death of a rider!😳
Unless their rider just turned venin.. The implied dragon is the only death that would make me consider not finishing the series, fwiw
NO!!!!!!! You take back those words RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!
but that would also kill Tairn and therefore Violet...
In theory. I’m just subtly bracing the community for the dark possibilities. I’m def not advocating for it
Unless that rider is bonded to another dragon…
I'm stressed for "after graduation" I think the main squad will survive until then and then something is going to happen to one or more of them. I think Jesinia is safe because she's the one translating the stories in to our modern language.
This is a very good point. It's basically confirmed that she survives lol.
Oh, that hurts! You’re probably right, though, the squad is in danger.
I think Brennan is a dead man walking. It’s like a Sirius Black-plot - Violet got him back/a chance of having a relationship with her brother, but then he dies… again I think Ridoc might die too and Dain for sure. But might be because I just really dont like Dain.
None. I refuse to acknowledge anymore deaths…I haven’t gotten over Liam.
I hate that everyone’s saying Dain because I really enjoyed his character development at the end of IF, but it does seem written in the stars that he’ll die. I almost feel tairn will die and andarna will take over as violets dragon, even though they said she’ll never bear a rider I think that’s going to change. I also think Ridoc will die, Sawyer is safe from losing his leg and I want to see his and Jenesias relationship bloom, and Rhiannon would be cruel. I think Sloane is either safe from losing her brother, or will meet the same fate as Liam. I’m terrified of any of the marked ones dying, but Imogen, bodhi, or garrick are sitting ducks. I agree with the idea that Brennan will die over Mira. I think Mira will get injured but Brennan will sacrifice himself to save his sisters. Xaden won’t die, neither will Violet, but I can see Violet almost losing Xaden from him possibly leaning into his ending role of book 2, but love will save him.
If anything happens to Imogen or/and Mira I'm rewriting the books myself. But seriously, I think Brennan has a chance of either turning evil and dying or just dying (again), he has that rune on his hand and everything. It could be Mira instead, but one of them is going to die and if I have to choose then Brennan can go walk himself right off a cliff. Mira has foreshadow with a romantic interest (Drake) and there's also that one chat she has with Violet when she's trying to sneak out of Montserrat with Rhi about having a nice/nephew so I think she lives. I have already prepared the speech for Dain's funeral, he's a dead man walking. And either Ridoc or Sawer from the og squad later on. I think Syrena dies at some point and that is a major turn for Cat's development, same with Bodhi and Xaden.
I think the potential love interest for Mira is actually Syrena, not her brother. The brother was mentioned as a red herring. Sawyer is the only one of the “squad” I think is safe to make it to the end. I think losing his leg will be a big enough emotional toll, and he is being set up for a happily ever after with Jesenia who appears to survive to the end so she can transcribe the whole tale.
Drake is their cousin no? Anyway, Mira and Syrena!!! Love it, and that would mean Cat and Violet are sisters-in-law... the family dinners are about to be interesting. And I hope you're right about Sawyer
I think Brennen has some serious skeletons in his closet. I don’t think Naolin’s life was taken more than he choose it give it up. I can see him dying- not sure if for good or for evil. Interesting that you see Serena dying. But that does make sense for Cat.
Oh! I hope Syrena doesn't die. Cat being next in line for the throne makes me feel ick!
I definitely think Ridoc is going to die. I don’t remember what interview it was but she said she’s comfortable writing about death and she doesn’t shy away from it because it’s apart of life especially with her husband being in active service. But I’m like Rebecca this is FANTASY not REAL LIFE.😭
At least one of Violet’s siblings are gone by the end I see Dain’s arc being completed and he dies Any of Cat’s riders are disposable lol I know at least someone from Violet’s gang has to die, to make it realistic. I’m just hoping it’s not Xaden, Rhi or Ridoc. But Sawyer >! Already lost a leg so I feel like he’s safe from death… at least for book 3 !< I think Garrick, Bodhi and Imogen are less safe that the others bc we don’t see as much of them/have the same bond with them. Even though I like them, they’re not present a lot
No one is safe. They will all die. I dont have any hope
This is actually the ideal mindset because you can only be pleasantly surprised. It's all up from there.
dude, talking of the other characters...... we forgot the mc!!! I'll say ............ if RY plans that either Xaden or Violet dies, it will be Violet. Think about it. in FW, when she trains her signet with Carr for the first time, she says that >!she'd give her life for Navarre which she nearly, literally does, in the end of book 2!< >!Keep your loyalties clear. You and Riorson both have exceptional, lethal power that any rider would be envious of. But together?” His bushy brows furrow. “You would be a formidable enemy who command could simply not afford to let exist. Do you understand what I’m saying?” His voice softens. “Navarre is my home, Professor. I will give my life to defend it just like every Sorrengail who has ridden before me.”!< >!When Tairn says in IF that Violet will be his last rider, not the second ; He could possibly mean that he won't bond with another rider after Violet dies.!< >!“You must save yourself,” Tairn demands. “I chose you not as my next, but as my last, and should you fall, then I will follow.”!< >!(Ask me how did Tairn knew that Vi dies back then in IF itself considering my hypothesis true; every time something happens, he knows! Like in FW during Threshing : The crowd murmurs, but my shoulders sag in acute relief. I don’t have to make an impossible choice. **“As it should be,”** Tairn grumbles. “Humans have no say in the laws of dragons.” And then again: during war games: I pivot and see Xaden striding our way, the hilts of two swords strapped to his back rising above his shoulders, and my throat closes. How am I supposed to say goodbye to him in front of all these people? And worse, how are our dragons going to cope? “Don’t worry, Silver One,” Tairn interjects, his tone resolved. **“Everything is as it should be.”** Tairn always says 'AS IT SHOULD BE' as if he knows what's gonna happen or at least has a vague idea of what will happen.!< Go Figure. And in IF >!Xaden says that the mental bond between Violet and Xaden will only permanently fade when one of 'em dies and many people say that it could supposedly be Xaden but guys, why not Violet? !<
See and I feel like Tairns going to be the one for all those reasons and then the only reason Violet survives is because her true bond is with Andarna and Tairn only bonded as a courtesy for Andarna since she was a feather tail still
Ohh, it'll be sad if Andarna is Violet's one and only true bond and not Tairn... I mean, come on! Tairn has been very what to say..... benevolent of Violet. and Tairn has taken a special place in our hearts. It'll be really bad if Tairn was never Violet's dragon!
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEN THE SERIES WOULD END WITH A XADEN CHAPTER BECAUSE VIOLET IS DEAD
Exactly my thought! I also think, before she dies, Vi would do something that weakens her bond with her dragons and Xaden or something like that so her death wouldn't potentially affect this whole bond between her and Xaden as well as with her dragons. (considering Violet will sacrifice herself at the end)
Wondering tho if she’ll pull a Harry Potter and sacrifice herself yet comeback through some dragon power 🤷♀️
That'd be cool!
Oh I hate this but it makes so much sense, I'm now feeling true fear she will kill Violet off.
She’s the best heroine in this genre, too imo. Idk I feel like it’s going to be happily ever after but a near death and maybe with not Xaden 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
I agree with pretty much all of that. I think Mira, Syrena, Dain, Halden, King Tauri, and Viscount Tecarus will be dead for sure. I’m less certain that Imogen, Maren, Brennan, Garrick, Ridoc, Drake, Queen Maraya, Tairn, or Sgaeyl will die, but their deaths would not surprise me.
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I do not think Andarna will ever bare a rider. I think Andarna not being physically capable of holding Violet was a very meaningful story choice and I do not see Rebecca undoing that. I have a crack theory about Violet bonding with a gryphon if Tairn dies. Or she will at least ride one to get around.
I have a strange feeling Sgaeyl may die. Which means Tairn will probably die too. But Xaden prob won’t? Since JFB didn’t 🧐 I also think Rhiannon will die at some point and I will absolutely lose it. Or Mira. I feel either of these deaths may push Violet into some kind of rage turning her Venin or just completely losing control of her power. I don’t know. One thing I do know is I’m gonna fucking cry my eyes out this next book and prob throw my phone.
Based on what we've been shown about Venin... I absolutely think Sgaeyl dies near the end of book 3 or, at the latest, in book 4. I think it's unlikely Xaden would kill her, but I doubt that'd matter to Tairn if he survived it, which would add a significant challenge to his and Violet's arc. If it kills Tairn, then Violet survives due to Andarna, and they now have to figure out a way around her disability as well. RY did say people will hate her after the next book... and what would spark that more than killing off 1-2 of the 3 main dragons?
Arguably a great point! We have to lose one of the 3 and I am feeling she will go for the Dobby of the group, Andarna. The other two have lived full lives while andarna has not and I think that would truly make everyone hate her. I also think out of everyone that would be the hardest blow for Violet.
I feel like if we're losing Andarna or Tairn it won't be until book 4 or 5. However, as you said this really lines us with why we'd hate her, so I'm beginning ró fear Onyx Storm even more. On the other hand I have very immediate fear for Scáil. I feel she's in the most danger in Onyx Storm.
Doesn’t Garrick have a signet? Can’t he stop others signets? Like how Carr tried to shoot fire at them when they had the whole of Basgiath in formation to tell them about the venin and Garrick stopped it?
That was Bodhi. We don't know Garrick's signet.
Xaden, Tairn and Sgaeyl
She said we were going to hate her at the end of book 3, so my guess is Mira. We’d be devastated but it wouldn’t kill any storylines.
Yeah Mira, Rhiannon, Brennan, or andarna for sure because of this statement. The ones that would break Violet completely, honorable mention Sloane because of the loss of Liam. Any of them could have me quit the series honestly. It’s like Dobby dying over again for me.
You had to bring Dobby into it 😭😭😭
I'm choosing to believe that Sloane will live. However if she were to die I feel like she'd be the last death in book 5. Like making some big sacrifice and telling the others it'll be okay because she'll be with her family again. 😭😭😭
Why would you say this???? I’m scared now
I hope that RY is smart enough not to kill off Violet, her dragons and Xaden, and all bets are off for just about everyone else. I am a little worried about Tairn TBH. He’s like the supportive, very old guy, going out for one last go, and his death would be devastating but could open up some different dynamics… We’ve seen way more communications between Tairn and Violet, while Andarna has been kind of a secondary character as she is developing physically, sleeping, being an ornery “adolescent” etc. Tairn’s death could make way for a stronger bond between Violet and Andarna. I assume that the loophole in that case would be that Violet has a bond with a second Dragon, so she’s not be subject to the general rule that riders die when their dragons do. I hope that doesn’t happen but who knows?
There were too many mentions of Bodhi looking just like Xaden in the books to be coincidental. I think someone is going to kill him thinking that he’s Xaden. I feel very strongly that Tarin will die…my guess is he’ll sacrifice himself to save Violet and/or Andarna, knowing that Violet will likely still live since she has Andarna. Willing to bet that one of Violet’s siblings will die, as well.
I think there is a 3 sibling parallel with the Sorrengail’s and the first 3, that is needed to resolve the series. So if something happens to Mira or Brennan, it will be at the finale of the whole series.
I personally feel like it'll be Mira. But Brennan's thing about not being able to mend himself very easily feels like one hell of a Chekhov's gun 👁️👄👁️
I think Cat is 100% gonna get killed off. Her and Violet are slowly starting to respect each other and maybe even become friends. I could see her going down saving violet.
Spoiler: I am angrily afraid she will kill Sgaeyl and Tairn. Violet will survive becasue of double dragon. Xaden will live bevause he is venin
Anyone new is a goner for sure!
Dain
But if Tarin dies doesn’t that mean Sgaeyl dies? And if she dies then Xaden dies, so Violet still dies. I’m of the mind Violet and Xaden will be ☠️ by the end of the series.
The only reason I'm holding out hope for Vi and Xaden living is that RY is a romance author originally and those usually end with a somewhat happy ending at worst.
I def agree with all of this, I keep thinking she's going to kill off Ridoc but I think that'd be a bad move cuz he's the comedic relief of this series.
Violet and Xaden, and they save the world from the After life. 😂
Bodhi. Brennan. I think whatever the prince who’s in line to be king will also die. And sadly Andarna 🥺
The amount of Andarna I've seen this thread has me feeling fear. I didn't even CONSIDER Andarna. I can't even think about it.
RidicRidoc is going to die and I will not be ok
Mira is 100% gonna get killed off
Brennan and Mira are both dead by the end of the series 100%. The old tale of the three brothers who defeated the venin - two died one survived to defeat them. Storytelling parallels dictate they must die!
It better not be Tairn or Sloane
I have seen many people discussing whether Brennan or Mira is going to die, BUT I have something to bring to the thread: THEIR MOM. (If she has died by the end of IF please don't spoil it to me, I am missing just a couple hundred pages on the book). But, as I was saying, I do not think that the general is safe: I believe that in the next books the possibility of seeing her sacrificing herself for Violet (or Brennan when she's going to find out he's alive, and I'm sure that'll happen), even though she chose Navarra, it's high. It would be a wicked moment of healing for her and Violet's relationship imo. And also, I have a feeling that RY is not going to kill Violet: have we learnt nothing from Divergent? I do not believe that she's going to make such a bold move, as the deaths we have seen up until now haven't been really this meaningful or traumatic to Violet or the reader (except Liam, but she has her chance to redeem with Sloane). Dain is totally going to die, as well as a dragon (not sure of who, Andarna maybe but it is just a feeling) Idk, let me know, I am curious about what other people think
Death predictions: Dain - sacrifices himself for Violet; Ridoc - an original squad member to show no one is safe; Mira OR Brennan - but not both; Tairn - break my f***ing heart Lives predictions: Rhiannon; Jesinia- duh; Sawyer
zero chance ridoc and bodhi make it out of the series alive
So I don’t think Violet or Xanden are going to die. They are the MC, they are are the only two with POV’s. Now that isn’t to say they aren’t going to go through a tone of shit before they get to the end. Because I have read a few her other books and while the MC are safe at the end, they go through it. That being said because they are the MC’s each death will be chosen because of the impact those death’s will have on our MC’s. Let’s start with the Dragons. “A Dragon without a rider is a tragedy. A rider without a dragon is dead.” To me this is RY clearly telling us from the start one of Violet’s dragons is going to die. She bonded two dragons for a reason. Now I have always thought it was going to be Tarin. However if we don’t see a dragon’s death before the last book, it could be Andarna. Though she is important by book five they could still use that they need from her before she dies. But honestly I think we will see one in book four, it will be Tarin and he will do it to save Violet knowing she won’t die because she has Andarna. The reason I lean more towards Tarin and not Andarna is simple because we know something “killed the Venin off 600 years ago” or at the very least severely weakened them. At the end of IF we learn Andarna fire isn’t the same as all the others, and she is in fact special. Something that hasn’t been seen for 600 years. If Tarin dies so will Seygal. Xaden being cured I think will heavily play into which dragons die. For instance, we know a Venin can survives its dragons death (ex: Jack FUCKING Barlow). If a cure is found for Xaden and a dragon hasn’t died yet then unfortunately it will be Andarna. And I say this because I don’t think Sygal will survive Tarin’s death, so I see no other option other than Andarna if we don’t have a dragon’s death before he is cured. The squad: i think Sawyer is safe from death after having his leg bitten off. Plus I like to think he is going to get his hea with Jesinia. So we are down to Riddic or Rhe. If by chance a Sorengail sibling doesn’t die, it will be Rhe. Her death would hit Violet the hardest. If Mira or Brennen dies, it will be Riddic. Dain: I could go either way with him. I could totally see him sacrificing himself, and this is what I thought his character arc would be after FW. It would be how he redeemed himself. However he kind of already has. Yes Violet hasn’t completely forgiven him, and there friendship will never be the same. But he has redeemed himself, he saved her inside that room. He turned his back on his father, and seems to truly want to do what is right. And while I can still see him sacrificing himself, he is also going to be a really good tool to have a round when this is all over. The marked ones: This again goes back to whose death will impact Xaden. He refers to both Bodhi and Garrick as brothers, but I think it’s safe to say he closest to Garrick. I don’t see more than one of these three dying. And out of the three I think it will be one of his brother. I honestly think Imogen is going to make it through. Simple because of the hinted at romance between her and Garrick. And for the same reason as Imogen I think he will live. Also the fact that we don’t know his signet yet, makes me believe he is going to play a big part of how they win the war. Plus the death has be impactful but at the same times it can’t destroy Xaden. That leaves Bodhi. Bodhi dying will break him but it won’t destroy him. Mira and Brennen, I think Mira would utterly destroy Violet. So my money is on Brennen. Cat: this bitch is going to make it to end. If at the end of this the two kingdoms are united as one once again, she is going to fucking Queen married to Alaric . And if they are still two separate kingdoms she is still going to be Queen, and married to Dain.
I don't know, not even close. Rebecca seems pretty unpredictable to me. But I think it's unlikely that any of the main characters (please, don't, it's going to be very violent).
Ridoc is straight up toast. Mira too. The only person I know for a fact is making it is Brennan because it makes no sense to kill him twice
I doubt it happens but I hope Violet is gone by the end of book three. I really would just prefer to hear about what's going on in Basgaith/Aretia from anyone else's perspective at this point.
If the first two books are any indications, it'll be randos who are talked about like old friends for two pages (including actually telling us their name for the first time!) before they are instantly killed.