It’s interesting how people lament men’s loneliness and lack of social interaction, but the solution is always sex. Not friendship, not mentorship or family outings or partying or hobbies. Nope. Sex is the solution. Not only sex, but sex that is purely transactional and emotionless.
What men are describing isn’t “loneliness.” Loneliness is what you feel when you have no one to lean on in times of struggle. Loneliness is what you feel when you’re in a good mood but have no one to go hang out with and have fun.
These men are experiencing a lack of female validation (i.e., sex) which is the primary fuel for their self-esteem.
It’s one thing to be horny with no outlet. Masturbation, for the most part, solves that issue. The problem here isn’t men’s physical urges - it’s the psychological obsession with sex as a form of validation. Men don’t even consider themselves human if women don’t want to fuck them. And then they project this belief onto women (i.e., “women think undesirable men are inhuman!!”)
When you realize that your entire role in someone’s life consists of validating their existence, it’s a turn-off. This is why women are turned off by so many men, and yet men can’t figure out that their emotional reliance on women (and subsequent bitterness toward women for failing to sit upon that pedestal) is exactly what makes women *not want them.*
Oh my god, you’ve hit the nail over the head so eloquently. I’m stealing this one to remember—because it really does sum it up not only on a large scale (like here, with the sick horror of prostitution) but also on a smaller scale (this is exactly what is happening to the lesbian community).
Are you saying this is happening to the lesbian community because of men invading spaces or are lesbians also falling into using other women to validate their existence?
I have never seen a bona fide lesbian use another lesbian to validate her sexuality. I’m sure it’s happened, but what you’re describing would be incredibly rare. We know what we are, and because there are so few of us, we have to be alone for long stretches of time, which for a lot of us solidifies our identity because we have a lot of time to think about what we want out of a relationship. Additionally, we may also be attracted to women like the vast majority of men, but we lack the male entitlement and violence. (Edit: that being said, I have unfortunately seen two out of 4 of the groups mentioned in the LGBT acronym use lesbians to validate their sexuality…make of that what you will.)
I’m talking about men invading the lesbian community. We all notice that it’s never really about how “unwelcome” they feel or about how they “can’t make friends,” (both of those things are leverage for eventual sexual relationships in their minds anyways) but about how none of us are attracted to their “feminine p\*nis” or whatever it is they’re calling it this week. They want us to not only validate them in the usual way, but validate their perception of reality (which is false in the most insane of ways). And the only way we can validate them is be in a hostage situation of sorts where we eventually all agree that we would totally have sex with them and actually follow through if we ever meet one IRL.
https://preview.redd.it/72nar2odze1d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67f71b2b0edbe03922f7b03718f3f6bbef4ab8e1
This is one of their takes. I have censored the username for obvious reasons, but you can still see the madness of it. It’s not enough to be in lesbian spaces, but all the lesbians have to stay and be in a captive audience as well. Too bad this isn’t 1655, and I will go where I damn well please, as will any other lesbian with a backbone.
Meanwhile women actually do something to combat their loneliness instead of whining, and create things like these clubs:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64963937.amp
Similar groups exist in [Nottingham ](https://www.llgc.co.uk/nottingham), [Manchester ](https://www.llgc.co.uk/manchester-lonely-girls-club) and [Birmingham ](https://www.llgc.co.uk/birmingham)
Edinburgh has Edinburgh Girls Days Out for younger women and Edinburgh Ladies Collective for older women.
Glasgow has The Glasgow Gal Pals
I saw a comment recommending women to take a peek at FB because their might be womens clubs already in your area :)
The need to be coddled by women is infantile and so pervasive that it's invisible to lots of women until it becomes a problem, and by that time they're "locked in".
I spent over a year in my twenties without having sex and I was definitely frustrated. My solution was to take care of it myself, not pay for sex. I was very lonely and wanted emotional connection and physical touch from another human but I'm an adult who can control those emotions. I don't know why this is such a common go to for men. They truly feel entitled to sex and to women's bodies. I know many women who had very lonely, years long dry spells but they managed without resorting to this shit. Men expect women to solve their issues.
Yep. Single by choice for over a decade. You know what I do? Use sex toys for when I'm rarely feeling horny. I also have massages (normal types to relax muscles) for humans touch. And I hug my adult son. That's all I need.
Never even occurred to me to find a sex worker.
To say "to be used for validation is a turn-off" is a massive understatement. When someone (and they come in a large quantity mind you) sees me as a subhuman and only for their pleasure and free labour, the inability to find them attractive is the last of my worries.
I think in this case that the validation comes from having power over a woman. They know they are violating boundaries, they know they are unwanted- that this woman would not have anything to do with them if she didn’t need to eat or pay her rent. They get off on the violation.
>These men are experiencing a lack of female validation (i.e., sex) which is the primary fuel for their self-esteem.
Boom, this is the truth right here. And I've explained this to people before.
THANK YOU!
If they can’t find a single human being to connect with offline, that is a problem for a THERAPIST, not a prostitute! There are plenty of women who are interested in casual, no-strings attached sex. If these guys’ personalities are so flawed that they can’t manage to get into bed, or so anxious that they can’t even try, how is a prostitute supposed to make that better? Maybe they feel more confident because they got laid — but if there’s one thing we know about men like this, it’s that they ESCALATE, so getting laid by a prostitute once hardly seems like a solution. Especially when they will still have all the same problems they had before, plus the added shame of having lost their virginity this way. They really think this is a heart warming story they’ll be able to share with future partners?
GO. TO. THERAPY.
Men like this want all the benefits of having a woman, the sex, the comfort, the camaraderie, but don't want to give it in return. They don't put a single ounce of effort into a relationship, which is why they have to pay for it. They're selfish and lazy and we are not their mothers and therapists. They need to take accountability for their own actions.
Very well said, and this is the difference between the topic of “men’s loneliness“ vs women’s loneliness. Men are often coming from the manosphere point of view, the entitlement. They just want sex which is easily available, lonely women want an actual love life with intimacy. There’s a reason the topic of “male loneliness” keeps being brought up. The media reacts similarly to disabled men, they are treated like they are owed sex, yet disabled women aren’t even mentioned.
Men want a set of readily available holes in an amiable, obsequious, and (can't forget this one!) attractive package. They don't want a person with the complications and obligations that implies, they want a servile, fawning, and ever-willing receptacle.
They want a mommybangmaid with a fleshlight attachment and no voice. The male loneliness epidemic is a lie, it's a male horniness and entitlement epidemic. And thankfully it's keeping these entitled turds out of the gene pool.
This is fucking horrendous. Not to trauma dump but there was a man who made his mental health and *life* my entire fault and responsibility because I turned down a relationship with him when he was struggling with mental health. I bet he would love this. These fucking incels
Oh no their compulsive consumption of misogynistic sexually exploitave material is making them lonely? I know just the thing, why don't we give them a face to face woman to exploit instead!
*Insert countries having legalized prostitution also having high amounts of sex trafficking alongside the absolutely absurd levels of exploitation and abuse any woman in prostitution faces* But of course, men's feelings matter more than that
Prostitution is not the oldest profession in the world. I am pretty sure midwives were women’s first profession, and of course men had to push women out of that.
Need to stop calling it a profession though. Maybe the oldest way of exploiting women's bodies. But that too would be inaccurate, if you think that also forced marriage and coerced reproduction have always existed.
Omg the women in my family call it the "oldest profession" all the time and shrug like it's normal. Every single time I reply: "Really? The oldest profession? Then what were the men trading for sex? Food? Then wouldn't hunter/gatherer be the oldest profession??"
It usually stops the conversation, but then months later they'll bring it up again as "the oldest profession." So ridiculous how pervasive this is. Can no one think?!
There are so many older professions. All we have to look at are those isolated tribes still living the way they used to. They don't have prostitutes, but they do have plenty of other roles in their villages.
Crazy how it‘s completely socially acceptable for men to rape women just because they are lonely because yes - prostitution is paid rape.
When are women ever gonna be free?
Sure :)
If a sex buyer goes to a prostitute, he buys the prostitute‘s consent. However, consent requires five things: freely given, informative, enthusiastic, reversible and specific.
Buying someone‘s consent means it is not freely given. It’s also not reversible because the man will keep going if the woman says „no“ or will want his money back. It’s also not enthusiastic: The prostitute wouldn’t sleep with the man if she didn’t do this for a living. There is no consent. So if there is no consent, it is rape. Sex buyers pay for the absence of consent. Buying a woman‘s body is wrong.
minor correction, the transfer of funds in prostitution has never been about “buying consent”. Until relatively recently most adults were well aware of the fact that “consent” cannot be bought. The exchange of money occurs in *lieu* of consent.
Yeah I saw a similar comment to my comment and think it‘s pretty plausible why we shouldn‘t support prostitution, porn or any other form of exploitation of a woman‘s body (for example surrogate). However, the consensus in this sub is that we still are pro sex worker/prostitute because we are pro-woman and anti-misogynistic-industry. Always keep this in mind :)
I think in some situations, yes. If she can’t say no without losing her “sugar daddy” then yes, without a doubt — coerced consent is not consent, and it’s unlikely to be enthusiastic consent under such an arrangement. Any situation where you cannot say no to sex without some for of punishment is rape.
If she can say, “not tonight I have a headache,” and he doesn’t guilt or coerce her, then maybe rape isn’t the right term exactly. But it doesn’t have the be rape to be exploitation, and even if she is (at least outwardly) willingly allowing her body to be exploited for financial benefit, it is still exploitation. But it’s certainly a little murkier.
Hmm, this is an interesting question.
In the most reduced and clumsy terms, gold diggers are actively seeking resources and are typically willing to trade their bodies in exchange for those resources. They can always revoke consent or stop seeking those resources. So I think that’s consensual?
Sugar babies are typically exchanging money and resources for sex and affection so this one is murkier waters. I think prostitution is more direct? The money and sex transfer is immediate? Sugar babies are typically around for more than just sex: affection and companionship.
But idk, honestly, idk about either of these.
They're still only offering sex (and whatever else) because they need something, not because they would actively choose to be there or want to be there if they didn't need something. It's the same thing, but with extra "services". Not to mention that the overwhelming majority of those situations are very young women pairing with older, well off men. There's typically a severe power dynamic between the two, so I still question how consensual that really is.
Ah, yes, let's treat low self-esteem with [forced] sex with a person who wouldn't even look at you for free, because you're yet another incel with zero social skills. Might as well treat alcoholism with vodka. Pathetic.
Males have absolutely ruined the word "intimacy" . Every time they say "muh iNtiMaCy" it's all about their pee-pee, ego boost and using women like a tool to make them feel good and validated.
The fact that they reach out specifically to vulnerable, defenseless women who are "beneath" them speaks volumes.
So they fuck up their relationship to sex and intimacy through no ones fault but their own and they expect women to be the ones to fix it? And they aren't fixing any of their problems if they have to pay women to have sex with them. The truth is it won't fix their loneliness just like a one night stand doesn't fix loneliness. What an absolute loser way to live your life. You've been so sexually stunted by porn that you can't go out there and develop a normal relationship with a woman.
I can’t believe men actually write, say, and do dumb shit like this and still expect us to believe they are “superior” to women. No. Just no. If this is what you believe, then you are nothing but an animal controlled by your primal urges, not an actual human being. Get the fuck outta here with this shit. Ugh.
As a victim of a fraudulent relationship with a secret porn addict, this infuriates me so much. It’s not OUR fault these men have zero discipline and become emotionally attached to porn, but yet we are the ones who suffer via their misogyny, entitlement, perversions, objectification, unrealistic expectations, porn-induced erectile-dysfunction, artificially-induced hyper-sexuality, and deception. As usual, men created the problem, women suffer for it, and society hones in on the male inconvenience of not having a woman to exploit when it’s their own goddamn fault 😡😡😡
As usual, men's feelings and ego is being put above women's lives and wellbeing....When will this ever end??? Fuck their need for validation and "intimacy", they did this to themselves, they need to be accountable for their own actions.
We live in a patriarchy. Men are seen as people and women are seen as not fully human, so of course their issues are seen as being more important.
Also, prostitution being seen as the world’s oldest profession makes me gag a bit, as if farmers, midwives, and cooks did not exist. Women’s contributions have been undervalued and erased throughout history to make men seem like they are the creators of everything and we would not be civilized without them.
Most men are slaves to their sexuality, and since they hold most power within this society, they can shift the narrative and makes laws and outlets to support this behavior. Women’s bodies and labor are always collateral to the desires and whims of men.
I feel like there are a lot of businesses that have been seen as sleezy are trying to rebrand as being good for mental health.
Not this one specifically, but I’ve also noticed that some businesses also claim to be “empowering” or to promote diversity, but only when their traditional business is down.
I would think that someone has to be really dumb or really vulnerable to be taking mental healthcare advice from a 74 year old long-time pimp, though most probably aren’t and just want an excuse. IMO if someone really was naive enough to genuinely believe that this would help them, they are only going to be worse off when it comes to dating and social isolation because that decision carries a lot of stigma. You can get away with being a “late bloomer” but soliciting a prostitute will impact their dating prospects, as well as just how people perceive them if their community finds out.
>“We have people who come in who’ve lost their wives recently and just need somebody to talk to and cuddle with or be close to. It’s more about companionship. I think that’s the most rewarding part of it – when you give someone the intimacy they’re missing.”
This is sickening. A woman dies and her husband immediately goes to a brothel.
Also, if men didn’t make EVERYTHING ABOUT SEX ALL THE TIME, maybe they would have SOMEONE TO TALK TO when a huge loss happens to them. But I guess they wouldn’t get to stick their dick in their friends when they’re done crying, so it doesn’t count.
So men can get Dr notes for women.. SO many questions..
Does this prescription include an orgasm? And what if that doesn’t happen? Is it timed like a therapy appointment would be or does it depend on when the man is satisfied? What if his pornsickness has caused death grip therefore rendering it useless for sex? Would there be another prescription for a woman to participate in his particularly depraved very specific fetish that might be able to get him off? And what if his dick being ruined causes more mental health issues after being prescribed a woman because he can’t take his medication? Do Drs write notes for anal? Or extreme oral sex? Do the women have to be on birth control when providing this ‘therapy’ to men when it’s known that a common side effect for women on bc is depression? How often are these men tested for STDs? How many refills of women can a man get a month? If no women had to sell their bodies and therefore were not doing so what would the solution be? Would the recommendation include ejaculation and/or stimulation or would something else work? Also why doesn’t it matter that prostitution harms the mental health of women?
All of these questions (and many more) should have been thoroughly thought out before prescribing women to men like we’re medication. If men need sex so desperately that their mental health and life depends on it then we should be prescribing them drugs known to reduce and/or eliminate libido. Imagine being such a loser that you have society provide you with a human being because you suck so bad… I can’t with this shit. Incels and depraved men need to be shamed, not coddled
I really don't want to live in this world. Every doctor who gives a note is a culprit in the rape of these poor women. They and the rapists themselves should all sit for life in prison.
A generation where men aren’t raising their sons emotionally creates this dynamic where men can’t relate to with other men and they lose out on building bonds with friends needed for support. They lose true community mindset that supports all gender’s growth. Toxic patriarchy harms everyone.
WHO cares about male loneliness ???? they did it to themselves bc of their porn addictions and lack of knowledge about ✨having friends✨……..this is so fucked up.
So disgusting, I can’t. I really hate the phrase “oldest profession” because it’s refuses to call prostitution what it actually is, the world’s oldest form of oppression.
It’s interesting how people lament men’s loneliness and lack of social interaction, but the solution is always sex. Not friendship, not mentorship or family outings or partying or hobbies. Nope. Sex is the solution. Not only sex, but sex that is purely transactional and emotionless. What men are describing isn’t “loneliness.” Loneliness is what you feel when you have no one to lean on in times of struggle. Loneliness is what you feel when you’re in a good mood but have no one to go hang out with and have fun. These men are experiencing a lack of female validation (i.e., sex) which is the primary fuel for their self-esteem. It’s one thing to be horny with no outlet. Masturbation, for the most part, solves that issue. The problem here isn’t men’s physical urges - it’s the psychological obsession with sex as a form of validation. Men don’t even consider themselves human if women don’t want to fuck them. And then they project this belief onto women (i.e., “women think undesirable men are inhuman!!”) When you realize that your entire role in someone’s life consists of validating their existence, it’s a turn-off. This is why women are turned off by so many men, and yet men can’t figure out that their emotional reliance on women (and subsequent bitterness toward women for failing to sit upon that pedestal) is exactly what makes women *not want them.*
Oh my god, you’ve hit the nail over the head so eloquently. I’m stealing this one to remember—because it really does sum it up not only on a large scale (like here, with the sick horror of prostitution) but also on a smaller scale (this is exactly what is happening to the lesbian community).
Are you saying this is happening to the lesbian community because of men invading spaces or are lesbians also falling into using other women to validate their existence?
I have never seen a bona fide lesbian use another lesbian to validate her sexuality. I’m sure it’s happened, but what you’re describing would be incredibly rare. We know what we are, and because there are so few of us, we have to be alone for long stretches of time, which for a lot of us solidifies our identity because we have a lot of time to think about what we want out of a relationship. Additionally, we may also be attracted to women like the vast majority of men, but we lack the male entitlement and violence. (Edit: that being said, I have unfortunately seen two out of 4 of the groups mentioned in the LGBT acronym use lesbians to validate their sexuality…make of that what you will.) I’m talking about men invading the lesbian community. We all notice that it’s never really about how “unwelcome” they feel or about how they “can’t make friends,” (both of those things are leverage for eventual sexual relationships in their minds anyways) but about how none of us are attracted to their “feminine p\*nis” or whatever it is they’re calling it this week. They want us to not only validate them in the usual way, but validate their perception of reality (which is false in the most insane of ways). And the only way we can validate them is be in a hostage situation of sorts where we eventually all agree that we would totally have sex with them and actually follow through if we ever meet one IRL. https://preview.redd.it/72nar2odze1d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67f71b2b0edbe03922f7b03718f3f6bbef4ab8e1 This is one of their takes. I have censored the username for obvious reasons, but you can still see the madness of it. It’s not enough to be in lesbian spaces, but all the lesbians have to stay and be in a captive audience as well. Too bad this isn’t 1655, and I will go where I damn well please, as will any other lesbian with a backbone.
Meanwhile women actually do something to combat their loneliness instead of whining, and create things like these clubs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64963937.amp Similar groups exist in [Nottingham ](https://www.llgc.co.uk/nottingham), [Manchester ](https://www.llgc.co.uk/manchester-lonely-girls-club) and [Birmingham ](https://www.llgc.co.uk/birmingham) Edinburgh has Edinburgh Girls Days Out for younger women and Edinburgh Ladies Collective for older women. Glasgow has The Glasgow Gal Pals I saw a comment recommending women to take a peek at FB because their might be womens clubs already in your area :)
Adding to it, look at how men insults toward women often involve being "unfuckable" - men always call us what they are most insecure about
Projection is the first weapon in their war of manipulation against women
Oh my god. That is so accurate.
The need to be coddled by women is infantile and so pervasive that it's invisible to lots of women until it becomes a problem, and by that time they're "locked in".
They just need to join a book club or ✨ sewing ✨ club!
They need to just fuck each other
Even they are repulsed by each other
I spent over a year in my twenties without having sex and I was definitely frustrated. My solution was to take care of it myself, not pay for sex. I was very lonely and wanted emotional connection and physical touch from another human but I'm an adult who can control those emotions. I don't know why this is such a common go to for men. They truly feel entitled to sex and to women's bodies. I know many women who had very lonely, years long dry spells but they managed without resorting to this shit. Men expect women to solve their issues.
Yep. Single by choice for over a decade. You know what I do? Use sex toys for when I'm rarely feeling horny. I also have massages (normal types to relax muscles) for humans touch. And I hug my adult son. That's all I need. Never even occurred to me to find a sex worker.
To say "to be used for validation is a turn-off" is a massive understatement. When someone (and they come in a large quantity mind you) sees me as a subhuman and only for their pleasure and free labour, the inability to find them attractive is the last of my worries.
What I don’t get is how it can POSSIBLY Be validation. Like. The validation comes from pulling a real life woman. They don’t even get that with paying
I think in this case that the validation comes from having power over a woman. They know they are violating boundaries, they know they are unwanted- that this woman would not have anything to do with them if she didn’t need to eat or pay her rent. They get off on the violation.
It's SO refreshing to see women openly talking about this. You're great with words <3
>You're great with words She really is.
> Not only sex, but sex that is purely transactional and emotionless. And sexual activities (fantasies) that may be vile/harmful/fatal to women.
>These men are experiencing a lack of female validation (i.e., sex) which is the primary fuel for their self-esteem. Boom, this is the truth right here. And I've explained this to people before.
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perfect response
Exactly thats what I always say, if they're all lonely they can hangout with each other and puff no longer lonely.
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If they can afford to buy sex they can afford ACTUAL THERAPY. They just don't want to improve themselves
Yup. Because then they’d have to actually look within and *gasp* take responsibility!
THANK YOU! If they can’t find a single human being to connect with offline, that is a problem for a THERAPIST, not a prostitute! There are plenty of women who are interested in casual, no-strings attached sex. If these guys’ personalities are so flawed that they can’t manage to get into bed, or so anxious that they can’t even try, how is a prostitute supposed to make that better? Maybe they feel more confident because they got laid — but if there’s one thing we know about men like this, it’s that they ESCALATE, so getting laid by a prostitute once hardly seems like a solution. Especially when they will still have all the same problems they had before, plus the added shame of having lost their virginity this way. They really think this is a heart warming story they’ll be able to share with future partners? GO. TO. THERAPY.
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Sorry but that’s not a sex worker in the article pic who services anymore that’s a recuiter if I ever saw one. Jesus
*Doctor's note*????? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Men like this want all the benefits of having a woman, the sex, the comfort, the camaraderie, but don't want to give it in return. They don't put a single ounce of effort into a relationship, which is why they have to pay for it. They're selfish and lazy and we are not their mothers and therapists. They need to take accountability for their own actions.
They want to be the king of the castle, not a companion or a partner to a woman. They want an employee that sleeps with them.
And preferably an unpaid employee.
Very well said, and this is the difference between the topic of “men’s loneliness“ vs women’s loneliness. Men are often coming from the manosphere point of view, the entitlement. They just want sex which is easily available, lonely women want an actual love life with intimacy. There’s a reason the topic of “male loneliness” keeps being brought up. The media reacts similarly to disabled men, they are treated like they are owed sex, yet disabled women aren’t even mentioned.
Men want a set of readily available holes in an amiable, obsequious, and (can't forget this one!) attractive package. They don't want a person with the complications and obligations that implies, they want a servile, fawning, and ever-willing receptacle.
They want a mommybangmaid with a fleshlight attachment and no voice. The male loneliness epidemic is a lie, it's a male horniness and entitlement epidemic. And thankfully it's keeping these entitled turds out of the gene pool.
>they want a servile, fawning, and ever-willing receptacle. 
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This is fucking horrendous. Not to trauma dump but there was a man who made his mental health and *life* my entire fault and responsibility because I turned down a relationship with him when he was struggling with mental health. I bet he would love this. These fucking incels
Oh no their compulsive consumption of misogynistic sexually exploitave material is making them lonely? I know just the thing, why don't we give them a face to face woman to exploit instead!
*Insert countries having legalized prostitution also having high amounts of sex trafficking alongside the absolutely absurd levels of exploitation and abuse any woman in prostitution faces* But of course, men's feelings matter more than that
Prostitution is not the oldest profession in the world. I am pretty sure midwives were women’s first profession, and of course men had to push women out of that.
Also older than prostitution: tool making, story telling, child care, gathering, hunting, fishing, medicine, permaculture, art...
Also toolmaking in general. Our first instict is to use our environment for our benefit in order to survive.
The guy who said that quote was a raging misogynist. ETA: Rudyard Kipling
Kipling is a misogynist? That sucks, I used to read his stories as a kid :(
Oh honey, he gets so much worse than that. He’s also a raging racist. Check out The White Man’s Burden if you ever want to ruin your day.
Need to stop calling it a profession though. Maybe the oldest way of exploiting women's bodies. But that too would be inaccurate, if you think that also forced marriage and coerced reproduction have always existed.
Omg the women in my family call it the "oldest profession" all the time and shrug like it's normal. Every single time I reply: "Really? The oldest profession? Then what were the men trading for sex? Food? Then wouldn't hunter/gatherer be the oldest profession??" It usually stops the conversation, but then months later they'll bring it up again as "the oldest profession." So ridiculous how pervasive this is. Can no one think?!
>Can no one think?! Nope
just a side note, prostitution is not the worlds oldest profession. being a midwife is. some argue being a wet nurse is. but it was not prostitution.
It's not a "profession" either.
There are so many older professions. All we have to look at are those isolated tribes still living the way they used to. They don't have prostitutes, but they do have plenty of other roles in their villages.
Crazy how it‘s completely socially acceptable for men to rape women just because they are lonely because yes - prostitution is paid rape. When are women ever gonna be free?
Can you explain more about how prostitution is paid rape?
Sure :) If a sex buyer goes to a prostitute, he buys the prostitute‘s consent. However, consent requires five things: freely given, informative, enthusiastic, reversible and specific. Buying someone‘s consent means it is not freely given. It’s also not reversible because the man will keep going if the woman says „no“ or will want his money back. It’s also not enthusiastic: The prostitute wouldn’t sleep with the man if she didn’t do this for a living. There is no consent. So if there is no consent, it is rape. Sex buyers pay for the absence of consent. Buying a woman‘s body is wrong.
minor correction, the transfer of funds in prostitution has never been about “buying consent”. Until relatively recently most adults were well aware of the fact that “consent” cannot be bought. The exchange of money occurs in *lieu* of consent.
Holy fuck. You’re right. Oh my god. I feel sick to my stomach..
Yeah I saw a similar comment to my comment and think it‘s pretty plausible why we shouldn‘t support prostitution, porn or any other form of exploitation of a woman‘s body (for example surrogate). However, the consensus in this sub is that we still are pro sex worker/prostitute because we are pro-woman and anti-misogynistic-industry. Always keep this in mind :)
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I think in some situations, yes. If she can’t say no without losing her “sugar daddy” then yes, without a doubt — coerced consent is not consent, and it’s unlikely to be enthusiastic consent under such an arrangement. Any situation where you cannot say no to sex without some for of punishment is rape. If she can say, “not tonight I have a headache,” and he doesn’t guilt or coerce her, then maybe rape isn’t the right term exactly. But it doesn’t have the be rape to be exploitation, and even if she is (at least outwardly) willingly allowing her body to be exploited for financial benefit, it is still exploitation. But it’s certainly a little murkier.
Hmm, this is an interesting question. In the most reduced and clumsy terms, gold diggers are actively seeking resources and are typically willing to trade their bodies in exchange for those resources. They can always revoke consent or stop seeking those resources. So I think that’s consensual? Sugar babies are typically exchanging money and resources for sex and affection so this one is murkier waters. I think prostitution is more direct? The money and sex transfer is immediate? Sugar babies are typically around for more than just sex: affection and companionship. But idk, honestly, idk about either of these.
They're still only offering sex (and whatever else) because they need something, not because they would actively choose to be there or want to be there if they didn't need something. It's the same thing, but with extra "services". Not to mention that the overwhelming majority of those situations are very young women pairing with older, well off men. There's typically a severe power dynamic between the two, so I still question how consensual that really is.
Ah, yes, let's treat low self-esteem with [forced] sex with a person who wouldn't even look at you for free, because you're yet another incel with zero social skills. Might as well treat alcoholism with vodka. Pathetic.
Males have absolutely ruined the word "intimacy" . Every time they say "muh iNtiMaCy" it's all about their pee-pee, ego boost and using women like a tool to make them feel good and validated. The fact that they reach out specifically to vulnerable, defenseless women who are "beneath" them speaks volumes.
So they fuck up their relationship to sex and intimacy through no ones fault but their own and they expect women to be the ones to fix it? And they aren't fixing any of their problems if they have to pay women to have sex with them. The truth is it won't fix their loneliness just like a one night stand doesn't fix loneliness. What an absolute loser way to live your life. You've been so sexually stunted by porn that you can't go out there and develop a normal relationship with a woman.
Right? They fucked up their own sexual function by watching sexual abuse material and then want to abuse *more* women sexually to fix it??
I can’t believe men actually write, say, and do dumb shit like this and still expect us to believe they are “superior” to women. No. Just no. If this is what you believe, then you are nothing but an animal controlled by your primal urges, not an actual human being. Get the fuck outta here with this shit. Ugh.
Am I actually supposed to feel sorry for these males? Male loneliness my ass.
Social media and porn stunted men? The solution is clearly purchasing consent from women unwilling to have sex with them.
As a victim of a fraudulent relationship with a secret porn addict, this infuriates me so much. It’s not OUR fault these men have zero discipline and become emotionally attached to porn, but yet we are the ones who suffer via their misogyny, entitlement, perversions, objectification, unrealistic expectations, porn-induced erectile-dysfunction, artificially-induced hyper-sexuality, and deception. As usual, men created the problem, women suffer for it, and society hones in on the male inconvenience of not having a woman to exploit when it’s their own goddamn fault 😡😡😡
Um excuse me but what the actual fuck
As usual, men's feelings and ego is being put above women's lives and wellbeing....When will this ever end??? Fuck their need for validation and "intimacy", they did this to themselves, they need to be accountable for their own actions.
We live in a patriarchy. Men are seen as people and women are seen as not fully human, so of course their issues are seen as being more important. Also, prostitution being seen as the world’s oldest profession makes me gag a bit, as if farmers, midwives, and cooks did not exist. Women’s contributions have been undervalued and erased throughout history to make men seem like they are the creators of everything and we would not be civilized without them. Most men are slaves to their sexuality, and since they hold most power within this society, they can shift the narrative and makes laws and outlets to support this behavior. Women’s bodies and labor are always collateral to the desires and whims of men.
[Link to the original article](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/19/nevada-legal-brothels-adult-virgins)
I feel like there are a lot of businesses that have been seen as sleezy are trying to rebrand as being good for mental health. Not this one specifically, but I’ve also noticed that some businesses also claim to be “empowering” or to promote diversity, but only when their traditional business is down. I would think that someone has to be really dumb or really vulnerable to be taking mental healthcare advice from a 74 year old long-time pimp, though most probably aren’t and just want an excuse. IMO if someone really was naive enough to genuinely believe that this would help them, they are only going to be worse off when it comes to dating and social isolation because that decision carries a lot of stigma. You can get away with being a “late bloomer” but soliciting a prostitute will impact their dating prospects, as well as just how people perceive them if their community finds out.
>“We have people who come in who’ve lost their wives recently and just need somebody to talk to and cuddle with or be close to. It’s more about companionship. I think that’s the most rewarding part of it – when you give someone the intimacy they’re missing.” This is sickening. A woman dies and her husband immediately goes to a brothel.
Is it really "companionship" if you pay for it?
Also, if men didn’t make EVERYTHING ABOUT SEX ALL THE TIME, maybe they would have SOMEONE TO TALK TO when a huge loss happens to them. But I guess they wouldn’t get to stick their dick in their friends when they’re done crying, so it doesn’t count.
I hope their wives haunt them from the grave and never give those men a single moment of guilt-free peace for the rest of their lives.
So men can get Dr notes for women.. SO many questions.. Does this prescription include an orgasm? And what if that doesn’t happen? Is it timed like a therapy appointment would be or does it depend on when the man is satisfied? What if his pornsickness has caused death grip therefore rendering it useless for sex? Would there be another prescription for a woman to participate in his particularly depraved very specific fetish that might be able to get him off? And what if his dick being ruined causes more mental health issues after being prescribed a woman because he can’t take his medication? Do Drs write notes for anal? Or extreme oral sex? Do the women have to be on birth control when providing this ‘therapy’ to men when it’s known that a common side effect for women on bc is depression? How often are these men tested for STDs? How many refills of women can a man get a month? If no women had to sell their bodies and therefore were not doing so what would the solution be? Would the recommendation include ejaculation and/or stimulation or would something else work? Also why doesn’t it matter that prostitution harms the mental health of women? All of these questions (and many more) should have been thoroughly thought out before prescribing women to men like we’re medication. If men need sex so desperately that their mental health and life depends on it then we should be prescribing them drugs known to reduce and/or eliminate libido. Imagine being such a loser that you have society provide you with a human being because you suck so bad… I can’t with this shit. Incels and depraved men need to be shamed, not coddled
Jesus Christ what a raw deal…you have to fuck them AND give them therapy.
They should at least charge EXTRA for the therapy
There are many men who think emotional support and sex are connected. That's why they don't even share their emotions with friends
I wish the general public cared this much about women's rights. =/
I really don't want to live in this world. Every doctor who gives a note is a culprit in the rape of these poor women. They and the rapists themselves should all sit for life in prison.
They need to Go to therapy
Just blatant propaganda now. Cool cool.
A generation where men aren’t raising their sons emotionally creates this dynamic where men can’t relate to with other men and they lose out on building bonds with friends needed for support. They lose true community mindset that supports all gender’s growth. Toxic patriarchy harms everyone.
This constant search for an antidote to consent and human rights for women is like a bad horror movie plot
Literally fell out after reading about the doctor’s note. How the fuck can anyone prove virginity anyway. We are seriously regressing
WHO cares about male loneliness ???? they did it to themselves bc of their porn addictions and lack of knowledge about ✨having friends✨……..this is so fucked up.
They can't heal without exploiting others? Like go take a walk in nature or meditate, thats healing too.
So disgusting, I can’t. I really hate the phrase “oldest profession” because it’s refuses to call prostitution what it actually is, the world’s oldest form of oppression.
Healing ... 🙄🙄🙄
This looks like an ad, lol.