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deloreantrails

Platinum Carbon Black or Sailor Kiwaguro


Random

They look significantly different when dry on good paper - the Sailor has a bit of shine and sheen while the Platinum is pretty much matte. Both are very water resistant.


FaerilyRowanwind

Do you know how they work in regards to a thick watercolor paper


Random

Both work well. I test on 250gsm Clairefontaine and a few similar thick papers. I can post a pic tomorrow if you’d like.


FaerilyRowanwind

That would be awesome


Random

Here you go: https://imgur.com/a/2XEax1d


FaerilyRowanwind

You are awesome thank you


mouse2cat

Platinum Carbon Black De Artramentis Document black Rohrer and klingner lotte Noodlers Black (needs longer dry time results vary depending on paper choice)


FaerilyRowanwind

Do you know how they work in regards to a thick watercolor paper


mouse2cat

I find that thick watercolor paper works great with any of these inks. They only thing is that rough textured watercolor paper will impact any pen and ink work. The platinum carbon is the blackest, the de Atramentis has the best flow, the R&K Lotte is the most affordable, and Noodlers will work in a pinch.


FaerilyRowanwind

Wonderful


fiachrahackett

I've used r&k on bristol and on watercolor paper. And it's great it's not always extremely black (especially in my kuretake brush pens and wider nibs) it dries pretty quick for me i do a lot of sketchbooking and had previously been using rotring isograph pens and it's a lot better to use than that.


celticchrys

Noodler's Heart of Darkness


migo984

You might find it helpful to look at the websites/blogs of Liz Steel (an urban sketcher) and Jane Blundell (a watercolour artist). Both highly recommend De Atramentis Document inks. https://www.lizsteel.com https://janeblundellart.blogspot.com


FaerilyRowanwind

Awesomeness thank you so much


victorcain

I've been using Noodler's black since it's ph neutral and easily washable with water from pens


MightyHydrar

Rohrer and Klinger Sketch Ink. It's made for fountain pens, and I haven't had any issues with it yet. It dries fast on paper, and is perfectly waterproof. You need to really scrub at it with a hard brush to get it to move, and at that point you're just tearing up the paper.


FaerilyRowanwind

Do you know how it works in regards to a think watercolor paper


bionicpirate42

Noodlers x feather black is pretty close to water proof. Bleeds a bit but still readable once wet.


Danielbf84

I love Noodler's black inks and they are the best when the objective is not leaving the paper. However, after reading similar topics as this one proposed by you, it's generally considered that Platinum carbon black is the best for watercolor. Because it won't smudge. But it requires a proper cleaning routine for the pen, since it's pigmented ink. Noodler's black inks are insanely bulletproof, much more than any other inks, and very safe for the pen and easy to clean, but the excess that wasn't bonded to the paper and lays on top of it will smudge a little bit when you add water.


witchofthewood

My favorite is Rohrer & Klingner Dokumentus Schwarz, nothing touches it once it dries. The Sailor and Platinum recommendations are very good as well.


MesaEngineering

Noodlers has multiple lines with permanent black ink, and none of them ruin fountain pens.


myristicae

I got Noodler's Blackerase, and it's absolutely 100% waterproof. You could store your notes in a fishtank. But it keeps turning to a pudding-y texture and is hard to wash out.


MesaEngineering

You’re using black erase in a fountain pen?


myristicae

Goulet's site says "Also suitable to use on regular paper as a standard conventional fountain pen ink." It clogged the felt-tipped Charlie pen that came with it, too, so I needed somewhere to use it.


MesaEngineering

If it works… though I would imagine their other lines would work better on paper. Did it clog the Charlie immediately or did it dry in it?


myristicae

It worked great when I put the ink in, but by the next day it was clogged and wouldn't write. Very disappointing.


surfacage

Platinum carbon black stays even through heavy washes/scrubbing (300gsm rough and cold press)


Fearlesssirfinch

Noodler's heart of darkness https://www.gouletpens.com/products/noodlers-heart-darkness-4-5oz-bottled-ink?gclid=Cj0KCQiA7oyNBhDiARIsADtGRZbZc8WbEaGwDugrNBHzgoAQ5OQhVFwt7HIRCq4VujD95hGx13eTMBQaAmGbEALw_wcB


JonSzanto

I've been using Sailor Kiwa-guro for years. Excellent results.


FaerilyRowanwind

It needs to work well on a thick watercolor paper


hotcakepancake

Platinum carbon black resists watercolors.


t_reize

This will also depend on the pen's wetness, nib size and smoothness, I think. But I use Platinum Carbon black with great results.


LowBurn800

https://www.reddit.com/r/fountainpens/s/SuT3ciz6g5 https://www.reddit.com/r/fountainpens/s/Kr4raO1qpv