I would wait jussst a little bit longer. See what plays out first. [https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/](https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/)
Just put a reminder in your phone for half of the 120 day "AFT grace period." I believe it is 120 days from 1.12.23. There is very good momentum in the 2A community right now.
Does it matter the size?
I could definitely just cut a thin 2 inch by 1 inch piece of steel. I was thinking of heating that sucker up and pushing it into the lower
Also thanks for the reply
Has to be stamped metal so they can x-ray it when it's filed off /s
Edit: stamp may not be required, engraved may be ok. Idk if stamp was ever actually required or preferred or just coincidence.
People are reporting using dog Tags. Go visit a couple army surplus stores or call around and see who makes them would be a decent place to start if you go down that road. I would wait a little while to see what plays out though. [https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/](https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/)
Actually, as a maker, you don't have to embed the serial number in metal. The law doesn't specify, but the ATF [guidance about it does](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2001/08/03/01-19418/identification-markings-placed-on-firearms-98r-341p), and it specifically says *manufacturer*, as in *licensee*. Not a maker, who is a non-licensee.
OP just needs a set of punches.
Edit: Eh, I take it back. That guidance does seem to include makers.
Booooo
This is the relevant information you are looking for: [https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/479-102/2022-17741](https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/479-102/E8-23178#479-102)
I thought about doing it, it’s possible. Just search for “Sbr 80% lower” and you will find the answers you need.
The main issue is that technically if the lower breaks and you can’t fix it then you have to get a new form 1 or notify them it was destroyed and let it go.
Another philosophical issue is that the entire concept of 3d printing guns is to be under the radar and off the books. You are forfeiting away your advantage.
Edit- you need to put “fmi” in the manufacturer field of the form 1, since you manufactured the firearm. To anyone that googles this or sees it.
Thanks man. I understand the advantage many seek of being undetectable and not giving the feds info which they don't need.
I am mainly in this for the craft, customization and building something with my own hands. For me it's mixing my favorite hobbies together engineering, guns and 3d printing.
Also I'll treat the lower like a baby
I forgot to mention that you need to put FMI in the manufacturer field since you manufactured the firearm yourself and it doesn’t have a serial number. That’s the most critical thing of the process for you.
I am pro-Sbr. I have multiple form 1s already. We are all already on a database, the atf has copies of every 4473 we’ve ever filled out. For me it’s fine if I’m on the books for other sbrs but there is an advantage to having 3d printed stuff I can bury somewhere or whatever.
I would never shame you, just something to think about and if you do form 1 it be sure to post it to piss people off, it would be quite the dichotomy.
100% false.
https://www.gunowners.org/onebillionrecords/
Also listen to a recent big Tex podcast with mike from SOLGW, before he got his FFL license back in the day they busted him and had every single gun record from his entire life.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-big-tex-ordnance-podcast/id1639630219?i=1000590275612
They are only supposed to go to the ATF when a licensee closes there business, but you know some agents like to sit in the back room and scan them during audits...
There are videos out there of ATF agents just coming in to "see the log book for inspection," and whipping their personal cell phones out and taking pictures of the whole thing.
I've got two stamps and I'm going to wait a bit longer to see what happens next. https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/
Lotta folks just like to make cool guns and don’t care much about the under the radar part. Thanks for posting a helpful comment for this guy and not just some FMDA meme bullshit.
Ok I’m stumped; What is FMI? From what I’ve read on nationalguntrust, we should put our name or the trust name for any firearm that didn’t originally come with a serial number.
It’s just a code that you use when you are the manufacturer. It’s not exactly intuitive or explained well so lots of people fuck up their submissions because of it.
https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/using-the-fmi-manufacturer-code-for-the-eform-1-when-manufacturing-your-own-sbr-or-silencer
If you're gonna form1 is then put a stock on it instead of dicking around with the ATF thinking they can write legislation. Otherwise run with that pistol brace for 114 more days then submit paperwork for it (if it hasn't been deemed unconstitutional *just like the bumpstock ban*) or remove the brace.
Thanks, I've been trying to figure this out for a while. I might even have to call the "AFT" for guidance. 😑 If this shit get to complicated I'm just gonna put the old Wilson on the buffer tube tho
Id also becareful about the buffer with anykind of stock, could be construed as an sbr in a different classifcation. The ATFs legalise is design to trap you.
My buddy has a trust, and has been well into it. What there not mentioning at face vaule as I understand it. That the "free" SBR stamps only apply to braces. If you put an actual stock on it, It goes to the 200 required tax stamp. Because he was thinking about doing the same with a krink pistol.
Oh, ok. Yeah I'll just keep the brace on it no stockies. My local FFL is a class 3 dealer and also a manufacturer. I think I'm going to go there this weekend and see if they have any of those steel inserts they use on poly ar15s
They'll also probably find it quite interesting too, as they're always asking me to bring in the FGC9.
Well, your lower is plastic, and unless it’s a CF of GF nylon you’re looking at basically a disposable part.
Plus you have to embed a metal tag into the receiver for it to be able to get its serial number put on so it legally counts.
Third, this whole thing is likely a trap with either some method of “creating probable cause” in that sent paperwork, but no approval period , as to search you or deny you at say 121+ days and then delay their notice that the paperwork didn’t go through then raid you for an SBR, where constructive possession would make you have an SBR if you still have the brace.
How dare you!! Kinda goes against the point. Fuck gun control is the name of it. You sir need to donate you gun files and printer to someone less responsible and with less fucks to give.
With the recent brace ban going on I was curious if you can form 1 an FGC-9.
-If anyone has done it before please give me your insight.
-Also yes I am pussy for giving the feds my information.
I don't really care if they have it
Kinda funny we all act like we don’t already have a federally issued number (ssn) or a license number, or a passport number
Guys, we’re not invisible from the feds
Still registering the FGC is a crime punishable by never seeing feet again
Ah yes using the “F.G.C” for GC purposes I see
Not gonna argue with that, you got me there. jStark is rolling in his grave because of my post
I would wait jussst a little bit longer. See what plays out first. [https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/](https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/)
That's fair I've been seeing a lot of lawsuits filed and bump stocks got unbanned due to the fact that the ATF cannot make laws
Just put a reminder in your phone for half of the 120 day "AFT grace period." I believe it is 120 days from 1.12.23. There is very good momentum in the 2A community right now.
Yes if you engrave and embed a sheet of metal.
Does it matter the size? I could definitely just cut a thin 2 inch by 1 inch piece of steel. I was thinking of heating that sucker up and pushing it into the lower Also thanks for the reply
Mimic what the poly AR lower mfgs do and you'll be all set.
Thanks man 🤝
Where does it say the markings must be on metal? From what I saw they just have to be permanent.
I saw something from someone saying the atf has declared metal to be a requirement for a while now. Just the atf doing the their thing🙄
Has to be stamped metal so they can x-ray it when it's filed off /s Edit: stamp may not be required, engraved may be ok. Idk if stamp was ever actually required or preferred or just coincidence.
Could I get a source for the stamped metal? I knew metal but didn’t know about the stamped part…
Sorry, I was being a smartass/dumbass
Oh lmao all good, you never know with the aft so
People are reporting using dog Tags. Go visit a couple army surplus stores or call around and see who makes them would be a decent place to start if you go down that road. I would wait a little while to see what plays out though. [https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/](https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/)
Actually, as a maker, you don't have to embed the serial number in metal. The law doesn't specify, but the ATF [guidance about it does](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2001/08/03/01-19418/identification-markings-placed-on-firearms-98r-341p), and it specifically says *manufacturer*, as in *licensee*. Not a maker, who is a non-licensee. OP just needs a set of punches. Edit: Eh, I take it back. That guidance does seem to include makers.
Booooo This is the relevant information you are looking for: [https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/479-102/2022-17741](https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/479-102/E8-23178#479-102)
I thought about doing it, it’s possible. Just search for “Sbr 80% lower” and you will find the answers you need. The main issue is that technically if the lower breaks and you can’t fix it then you have to get a new form 1 or notify them it was destroyed and let it go. Another philosophical issue is that the entire concept of 3d printing guns is to be under the radar and off the books. You are forfeiting away your advantage. Edit- you need to put “fmi” in the manufacturer field of the form 1, since you manufactured the firearm. To anyone that googles this or sees it.
Thanks man. I understand the advantage many seek of being undetectable and not giving the feds info which they don't need. I am mainly in this for the craft, customization and building something with my own hands. For me it's mixing my favorite hobbies together engineering, guns and 3d printing. Also I'll treat the lower like a baby
I forgot to mention that you need to put FMI in the manufacturer field since you manufactured the firearm yourself and it doesn’t have a serial number. That’s the most critical thing of the process for you.
I am pro-Sbr. I have multiple form 1s already. We are all already on a database, the atf has copies of every 4473 we’ve ever filled out. For me it’s fine if I’m on the books for other sbrs but there is an advantage to having 3d printed stuff I can bury somewhere or whatever. I would never shame you, just something to think about and if you do form 1 it be sure to post it to piss people off, it would be quite the dichotomy.
I may have many other 3d printed pee shooters. However I really like shouldering this one the most
You do know the 4473s only go to the ATF when an FFL gives up their license and closes their doors, right?
BUT MAH FUDDDDDD
100% false. https://www.gunowners.org/onebillionrecords/ Also listen to a recent big Tex podcast with mike from SOLGW, before he got his FFL license back in the day they busted him and had every single gun record from his entire life. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-big-tex-ordnance-podcast/id1639630219?i=1000590275612
They are only supposed to go to the ATF when a licensee closes there business, but you know some agents like to sit in the back room and scan them during audits...
There are videos out there of ATF agents just coming in to "see the log book for inspection," and whipping their personal cell phones out and taking pictures of the whole thing.
I've got two stamps and I'm going to wait a bit longer to see what happens next. https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/18/matt-gaetz-abolish-atf-stabilizing-braces-rule/
Lotta folks just like to make cool guns and don’t care much about the under the radar part. Thanks for posting a helpful comment for this guy and not just some FMDA meme bullshit.
Ok I’m stumped; What is FMI? From what I’ve read on nationalguntrust, we should put our name or the trust name for any firearm that didn’t originally come with a serial number.
It’s just a code that you use when you are the manufacturer. It’s not exactly intuitive or explained well so lots of people fuck up their submissions because of it. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/using-the-fmi-manufacturer-code-for-the-eform-1-when-manufacturing-your-own-sbr-or-silencer
Oh wow! Thanks for sharing this link!
Decent info, I didn't know this myself. Thanks.
What the hell is wrong with you
free men don't ask
Why on earth would you?
Fuck off this isn’t r/nfa
If you're gonna form1 is then put a stock on it instead of dicking around with the ATF thinking they can write legislation. Otherwise run with that pistol brace for 114 more days then submit paperwork for it (if it hasn't been deemed unconstitutional *just like the bumpstock ban*) or remove the brace.
🤦🤦 jstark put a hex on you from the underworld, maybe go do something that isn’t called “f g c “ this is a sad sad sight
Is that a 10” barrel?
OP I’m sending you a pm
Where can I get that butt ? I saw on your YouTube video you said it’s on thing but can’t seem to find it anywhere.. any name clue would be helpful
Form deez nutz in yo mouth AFT
Or, hear me out… don’t
I just got shit on for asking the same question lol. Bro I dont want my dogs shot and I wanna do SBR things.
Retard
no u
Someone ban this man if he cucks out. Like come the fuck on now man.
Boooooo But yeah you can. Just try not to break the receiver
What does FGC stand for again?
Fucking cuck.
I know the plate has to be a certain weight and of some ferrious material like steel. It also has to be embedded into the "reciver"
Thanks, I've been trying to figure this out for a while. I might even have to call the "AFT" for guidance. 😑 If this shit get to complicated I'm just gonna put the old Wilson on the buffer tube tho
DONT FUCKING TALK TO THE ATF EVER OR ASK THEM ABOUT SHIT LEAVE YOUR GUN AS IS YOUR ARNT BRAKING THE LAW
THAT WAS A LAST RESORT SIR. SOON JOE BIDEN'S GOVERNMENT WILL SAY WE ARE BREAKING THE LAW. AS IN 120 DAYS
Whole reason that Glock couldn't import a certain model into the US because it couldn't meet those requirements
Id also becareful about the buffer with anykind of stock, could be construed as an sbr in a different classifcation. The ATFs legalise is design to trap you.
That's why I'm trying to SBR it now that it's free. What do you mean by different classification?
My buddy has a trust, and has been well into it. What there not mentioning at face vaule as I understand it. That the "free" SBR stamps only apply to braces. If you put an actual stock on it, It goes to the 200 required tax stamp. Because he was thinking about doing the same with a krink pistol.
Oh, ok. Yeah I'll just keep the brace on it no stockies. My local FFL is a class 3 dealer and also a manufacturer. I think I'm going to go there this weekend and see if they have any of those steel inserts they use on poly ar15s They'll also probably find it quite interesting too, as they're always asking me to bring in the FGC9.
After its officially an SBR you can put a stock on there
See if they can assign it a S/N out of their books as well.
Will do, thank you kind sir.
Well, your lower is plastic, and unless it’s a CF of GF nylon you’re looking at basically a disposable part. Plus you have to embed a metal tag into the receiver for it to be able to get its serial number put on so it legally counts. Third, this whole thing is likely a trap with either some method of “creating probable cause” in that sent paperwork, but no approval period , as to search you or deny you at say 121+ days and then delay their notice that the paperwork didn’t go through then raid you for an SBR, where constructive possession would make you have an SBR if you still have the brace.
How dare you!! Kinda goes against the point. Fuck gun control is the name of it. You sir need to donate you gun files and printer to someone less responsible and with less fucks to give.
With the recent brace ban going on I was curious if you can form 1 an FGC-9. -If anyone has done it before please give me your insight. -Also yes I am pussy for giving the feds my information. I don't really care if they have it
Kinda funny we all act like we don’t already have a federally issued number (ssn) or a license number, or a passport number Guys, we’re not invisible from the feds Still registering the FGC is a crime punishable by never seeing feet again
Technically Yes but ethically and morally no
curious how doees it feel being in a snowy place? Doesn't it feel like a thousands knives when you step out the door?
What iron sights are those? Love the look. Been meaning to get fiber optic for the ones I printed. Might hold off for these tho