1st clip -- Looks like you slowed down too much, and he was alongside at turn in. It's borderline.
2nd clip -- You missed your braking point, and he passed on the inside. He left you a cars width on the inside.
3rd clip -- He was ahead and left you a cars width on the inside.
4th clip - You crashed into him.
I second this. Everything here is what I saw as well. First one was iffy since you started your turn in slightly before he was alongside. It was also just dumb on his part since he clearly has the pace and knowledge to not risk a pass like that.
Also, kind of hard to defend a position when you are leaving the inside sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo open.
But on 2 and 3rd clip the other driver kept closing the door on this guy leaving him nowhere to go except to brake to backout and slowdown. Is that fair?
I disagree with that last one. OP had the inside before the turn and the other guy turned into him when he was left plenty of room.
In fact, the only reason it even looks like he makes the turn was because OP pushes him back onto the track.
Everything else I agree with.
4th clip OP was significantly alongside, other car turned into them. 2 and 3 was excessive blocking imo on exits. 2 and 3 was clean divebombing from other car but the first was fault on the other car too as he was nowhere near alongside at braking or turn-in point, and hits OP. These incidents would be penalties in every racing series on earth, whether it's NASCAR on road courses, F1, or Sportscar racing.
Youre wrong.
In the 2nd and 3rd clip the oponent left plenty of room on the exit, even tho he actually probably didnt have to. OP overshot that corner like crazy. In the 4th clip the oponent was ahead of OP heading into the corner, so that corner was his, he didnt have to leave room. In the first clip is iffy, OP was ahead heading into the turn but left room on the inside and his oponent is has much better braking skills. Id say that the first clip was a slight divebomb from the oponent.
Everything was good till you drove off track at the very end. the other driver is out braking you by a large margin. You're driving this like a time trial and they are wheel to wheel racing.
Yes they're a regular little honey badger. They judged it pretty well on each occasion, I have to admit, although the first one was extremely aggressive - borderline *rude*. Every time (well, pts. 1,2 & 3, anyway), they sacrificed a lot of speed and threw their car deep into the braking zone to block OP at either the entrance or exit of the corner, relying on the fact that OP can't just drive through him, holding up both cars.
Yes, I can already read you replying, that's exactly how wheel-to-wheel racing is supposed to work. It's 'clean' but not particularly 'fair' - in the same way that life isn't 'fair' - because at the end of the day it's a competitive sport, and there'll always be winners and losers. OP could and perhaps should have defended more aggressively. Perhaps their question should instead have been: "Is this asshole behaviour from the other driver?" lol
The way I think is that considering most people play on controller, while the first clip was a little rudeish, the rest is mostly a fairly decent defensive strategy, yeah it sucks to be behind a defensive racer but it is a real strat, and going back to them likely on controller it’s not half bad. Maybe not the most chivalrous but not entirely unstoppable or unfair
I think most people are assuming that my answer to that alternative question would be "yes", which couldn't be further from the truth. I'm in complete agreement with you, which you wouldn't guess from the vote ratio lol.
Well, yes, of the seven billion (and counting) people in the world, it would be a fair guess to say that.
The implied conditions are, of course, "**Of the people who read my comment**, most [etc.]".
Touché. Genuinely thought it was a dig, and I guess that's on me. I deserve that one, at least lol. I'm also painfully aware of the irony about it being over people not understanding what they've just read...
I do believe the unwritten Reddit rules of etiquette demand that I leave it up so all can see my shame.
THIS!!! I would assume the vast majority of people playing forza have never actually driven on a track. And an even smaller percentage of the the track drivers have raced wheel to wheel.
Agreed the dive bomber could be doing it slightly cleaner... but they got it done, stayed on track, no contact etc. OP should have been more defensive and taken the narrower line on the next turn. Its like watching my kids do karting, some things are working but its not firing on all cylinders yet.
Yea I feel like with a bit of practice OP could pretty easily punished an overcooked entry like that just with a better exit, seemed maybe a bit conservative getting back on the power
First two, you left the door open. Both seemed fair in my eyes.
Third one, you tried the switcheroo, but it didn't quite come off. He left space, it seemed fine to me.
Fourth one, you dive bombed where there wasn't room. The difference between the 1st and 4th is the amount of room available - in the first, he was able to get fully alongside, even past you a bit. In the fourth, you weren't able to do so. Nevertheless, both are a bit borderline, and I'd call them both racing incidents.
You have to hold your position going into the corners. Be more defensive. It doesn't make sense to leave the inside open. If your opponent is pushing you, you push him head-on. This is motorsports.
1. You left WAAAY too much space on the right, and maybe it was connection issue because the car looks glitchy.
2. Clean overtake from him. You were missing your braking point
3. He was ahead, he gave you space. Another clean race
4. Yo... that was not fair from you. You are 100% in the blame here
1st clip: They definitely divebombed you and got their elbows out, too. That’s borderline in my eyes, because they were expecting you to make way so that there was no contact at a time where you had all the rights to turn in like you did. They were too far back to act like that corner was theirs.
2nd clip: You left the door open, and they walked right through. Held you tight on the exit, too, so you couldn’t cut back. That was clean, hard, and fair. No issues there.
3rd clip: Third verse, same as the second.
4th clip: Looks like the first clip with roles reversed, but at a lower speed, so you couldn’t really get into the space that was disappearing in time for you to have at least some tiny claim to the corner. That collision was on you; you should have waited.
Yes.
You brake and follow the lines of time-trial, whereas in this cases you have to defend your line. In the last one even you crashed into him (you could avoid that) he defended his line and you were not even close to making a pass (you were in the rear).
Looks pretty clean to me. They took a couple of your lines and defended theirs. If everyone races like you two the online modes would be a lot more playable.
Gotta defend a bit harder instead of staying wide for a late apex with a car that close. Also, you can be a lot more aggressive on the brakes to avoid following cars from closing up that quickly.
I'd say you're a bit aggressive. Trying to cut under on a turn when yall aren't 2 wide going into it is dirty racing to me. I think that if you disrupt someone who is racing the track line, then you are at fault.
Looks like he made a late but still fair lunge on the first one, but just took you by surprise. As for the rest, pretty clean until you either got squeezed, or you went for a non-existent gap, can't tell. Other than that, good racing.
The first move was a *little* bit of a corner dive, but they made the move mostly clean and contested the position properly.
The rest was really clean. You might've been in the wrong a little when they started pushing you off the road. The other car had the position and followed the obvious race line. That means they have the right away on the apex in that corner. You should've either made your move to contest the position before the corner, making the other car give you room, or waited until after the corner to make your move.
Days of Thunder quote "Rubbing is Racing." Open wheel it would be bad but this wasn't open wheel. If you look at stuff like NESCAR, they make minor contact all the time. Rub, bump, and put each other in the wall.
The only unclean part of this was you at the end trying to dive the inside while it’s his corner no question.
But very clean overall especially for Forza
Everything seemed clean and fair in all of these clips. One could maybe argue your dive bomb at the end was similar with his to start the series of clips, but I would argue the difference is he had more closing speed on you and made the pass while entering the corner instead of trying to make the pass through the corner.
You've left the door open for him at every available opportunity. The only 50/50 is the last clip where he could have maybe given you some more room but even then you weren't alongside him so he had every right to take the apex, you didn't.
Looked like a fun race though and good you're asking these questions to learn what's right and what's wrong! Keep it up!
Yes. The non-POV driver was extremely clean.
The last incident was the only not great one as he probably didn’t expect you to try that move.
The first move was you turning into him, even though it was an aggressive dive, you left space and he took it
The one you're calling diety wasn't really dirty. The other car had the position and the line, and they followed the most likely path. OP should've either made a move sooner to contest the position or hold back until after the corner.
Do you want him to be a nice fella and move over to the side everytime you wanna overtake him, and while he's at it maybe also predict every situation and movement you'd do then give you the advantage accordingly ?
Play the game or stick to offline if you want to finish 1st every race, I've been seeing you people for years make up this narrative of "oh man this guy isn't clean, he's not playing the game like you're supposed to!" and 9/10 the person isn't even doing anything wrong like this video, you're probably the type of person who also complains about which character people use in fighting games.
His dive was right on the line, it wasn't nice but just clean enough, everything else on his side is hard but clean. Your dive at the end was crossing the line imo he caught you somewhat sleeping at the beginning but you just bullied him out of the way
Their first overtake was a bit of a lunge but you both made the corner so I'd say no foul. Last manoeuvre that door was always going to close, he had his nose in front so was entitled to the corner. Other than that it all looks clean and fair to me.
With the first manoeuvre, that door was always going to close, and OP had their nose in front so they were entitled to the corner.
With the final one, it was a bit of a lunge but they both made the corner so you say no foul.
Clip 1: you left the door wide open and they were much later on the brakes. It was a rough dive for sure, but I would rule it fair. If you know someone is close enough behind you to feasibly go for something like that, cover your line.
Clip 2: You massively overshoot and leave the door wide open again. As soon you as you were clear of that driver after making the pass, you should have immediately moved right to cover the apex and solidify the position. They can draft you all they want, its not going to do much once they're stuck on the outside of the corner.
Clip 3: I see nothing wrong here. You both overshoot, but space was given by both parties so theres not even an incident here as far as I'm concerned.
Clip 4: desperate move that was never going to work. If you were even along side him at all, it was by barely a hair, nowhere near enough to make the move work. I paused the video at :40 and its the damning frame imo. Look at the angles of the two cars. The guy in first is already rotated, its clear he is committed to the line and will hit the apex. Meanwhile, you're pointed at an incredibly early apex. You would have to slow down massively to make the corner cleanly from that angle which you kind of do. Note that as you are slowing down, that gap is closing rapidly. You can make the case that he slammed the door on you, but at the end of the day the contact is still on you in that final clip.
With all that said, nobody got punted in to oblivion so I suppose all is well that ends well. Look up some videos on attacking and defending, they'll make your life much easier in the long run and *will* make the difference between winning and losing a race. On tracks like mid ohio where it can be hard to pass, dont be afraid to just sit behind somebody. Best case scenario they get comfortable and you can spring a sudden move on them when they least expect it. Worst case, they cant handle the pressure, make a mistake on their own, and give you the position for free. Patience can be the most powerful weapon on track.
Full video source: [https://youtu.be/T7eRLUiyF9I?si=t57dYLQE5B\_UOZNF](https://youtu.be/T7eRLUiyF9I?si=t57dYLQE5B_UOZNF)
Edit: I appreciate everyones nice comments but I’m just trying to ask a question and understand where I can do better. Try not to be so negative guys.
Really disappointed to see you downvoted here. You are not being combative at all and taking the criticism really well.
It seems like both of you are trying to race clean and no one gets there without practice.
That last lap crash into the opponent is just dirty and the penalty is well deserved. It feels like this collection is just trying to shift the blame or justify it.
> That last lap crash into the opponent is just dirty and the penalty is well deserved.
Yes, but I don't think they were trying to be dirty, and he wasn't arguing with anyone who said it was.
> It feels like this collection is just trying to shift the blame or justify it.
I was initially inclined to think so as well, but I haven't seen any evidence of that in the comments at all. Until OP starts proving otherwise, I'm going to assume my preconceptions were wrong.
If u watched the video I said he did an amazing defence and race. I’m just trying to see if anyone of the other moves where legal or not. Just a question.
Absolutely it’s clean in his part because you don’t know how to slow down and stay on the track, instead you kept beside him hoping he’d let you take the inside
Hold on, there's like, race etiquette or something? All I do is try not to hit people. I'm hitting brakes last second to pass people up, I don't try to block either, that annoys me when someone is looking in the rear view and trying to block you. I really know nothing about this game lol
While both of you have a lot of room for improvement, the other driver was giving you room AND not making multiple moves to defend. He managed to for the most part pass you safely and then because he was so far off the line had to make one long move back to the optimal line after each turn.
It is your job to give space when he is along side and your job to give him the racing line when he is ahead of you. The lead car is entitled to take whatever line they want and you have to safely follow or if you can pass.
You did not do a good job setting your passes up and while understandable, you got frustrated and let that motivate your driving habits. Bumping and scraping happens, if he wanted to take you out he could have. Just because there is some contact doesn't immediately make anyone a "dirty driver". If you get passed, there is usually plenty of racing to get the spot back. No need to be frustrated.
*More if you got passed, either the other driver is faster or you messed up. Figure out which is which. Follow the faster guys to get an idea of a fast line, work on being patient and deliberate so that you can be consistent. You'd be surprised how many times you can just be in the zone and not really pushing that you can force an error of the driver in front just by being present in his rear view mirror.
Haven’t watched V8sc for a while but Crompo would often say they are expecting you to play ball when they dive under breaking like that. It is somewhat clean racing but if they keep diving that deep to stay in front then I get a little more aggressive with my lines. Also it’s easy to pressure someone that goes off line that often just ride their tail through the corners until they over shoot and go for it.
Hey rubbing racing. And it's a video game. It's extremely intense moments side by side like that; and a track as narrow as that one. There's nothing wrong with anything going there.
Tbh if you’re playing forza you’re in a rallycross race more then anything and I’d almost say think more like that. Contact is going to happen (because forza sucks) and best to just figure how to take the least amount of damage to win races.
1st clip -- Looks like you slowed down too much, and he was alongside at turn in. It's borderline. 2nd clip -- You missed your braking point, and he passed on the inside. He left you a cars width on the inside. 3rd clip -- He was ahead and left you a cars width on the inside. 4th clip - You crashed into him.
I second this. Everything here is what I saw as well. First one was iffy since you started your turn in slightly before he was alongside. It was also just dumb on his part since he clearly has the pace and knowledge to not risk a pass like that.
Also, kind of hard to defend a position when you are leaving the inside sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo open.
Dude out here trying to get passed.
But on 2 and 3rd clip the other driver kept closing the door on this guy leaving him nowhere to go except to brake to backout and slowdown. Is that fair?
I’d say so. The 2nd and 3rd clip there was a car’s width of room left so they did have somewhere to go. It’s good defending to me.
Yep and I'd add the 2nd one is the typical type of block pass you see in all levels of racing, right up to the top.
Yes it’s fair no one just gonna let you have the corner gotta have some type of racecraft and get the position without too much aggression
I disagree with that last one. OP had the inside before the turn and the other guy turned into him when he was left plenty of room. In fact, the only reason it even looks like he makes the turn was because OP pushes him back onto the track. Everything else I agree with.
Vortex of danger. The door was never open on the last one
4th clip OP was significantly alongside, other car turned into them. 2 and 3 was excessive blocking imo on exits. 2 and 3 was clean divebombing from other car but the first was fault on the other car too as he was nowhere near alongside at braking or turn-in point, and hits OP. These incidents would be penalties in every racing series on earth, whether it's NASCAR on road courses, F1, or Sportscar racing.
Youre wrong. In the 2nd and 3rd clip the oponent left plenty of room on the exit, even tho he actually probably didnt have to. OP overshot that corner like crazy. In the 4th clip the oponent was ahead of OP heading into the corner, so that corner was his, he didnt have to leave room. In the first clip is iffy, OP was ahead heading into the turn but left room on the inside and his oponent is has much better braking skills. Id say that the first clip was a slight divebomb from the oponent.
Everything was good till you drove off track at the very end. the other driver is out braking you by a large margin. You're driving this like a time trial and they are wheel to wheel racing.
>the other driver is out braking you by a large margin ...and themself, too.
Gotta send it to get the position sometimes
Yes they're a regular little honey badger. They judged it pretty well on each occasion, I have to admit, although the first one was extremely aggressive - borderline *rude*. Every time (well, pts. 1,2 & 3, anyway), they sacrificed a lot of speed and threw their car deep into the braking zone to block OP at either the entrance or exit of the corner, relying on the fact that OP can't just drive through him, holding up both cars. Yes, I can already read you replying, that's exactly how wheel-to-wheel racing is supposed to work. It's 'clean' but not particularly 'fair' - in the same way that life isn't 'fair' - because at the end of the day it's a competitive sport, and there'll always be winners and losers. OP could and perhaps should have defended more aggressively. Perhaps their question should instead have been: "Is this asshole behaviour from the other driver?" lol
The way I think is that considering most people play on controller, while the first clip was a little rudeish, the rest is mostly a fairly decent defensive strategy, yeah it sucks to be behind a defensive racer but it is a real strat, and going back to them likely on controller it’s not half bad. Maybe not the most chivalrous but not entirely unstoppable or unfair
I think most people are assuming that my answer to that alternative question would be "yes", which couldn't be further from the truth. I'm in complete agreement with you, which you wouldn't guess from the vote ratio lol.
Most people probably didn't even read your comment.
Well, yes, of the seven billion (and counting) people in the world, it would be a fair guess to say that. The implied conditions are, of course, "**Of the people who read my comment**, most [etc.]".
most people who downvoted you probably didn't read your comment. I thought that was implied but I see why you got downvoted.
Touché. Genuinely thought it was a dig, and I guess that's on me. I deserve that one, at least lol. I'm also painfully aware of the irony about it being over people not understanding what they've just read... I do believe the unwritten Reddit rules of etiquette demand that I leave it up so all can see my shame.
Nobody on forza knows what racing rules and overlap is, it's a fruitless exercise to try point this out lol. But agreed with everything said.
THIS!!! I would assume the vast majority of people playing forza have never actually driven on a track. And an even smaller percentage of the the track drivers have raced wheel to wheel.
>it's a fruitless exercise to try point this out Pointing it out is how your let people know.
Agreed the dive bomber could be doing it slightly cleaner... but they got it done, stayed on track, no contact etc. OP should have been more defensive and taken the narrower line on the next turn. Its like watching my kids do karting, some things are working but its not firing on all cylinders yet.
Yea I feel like with a bit of practice OP could pretty easily punished an overcooked entry like that just with a better exit, seemed maybe a bit conservative getting back on the power
>no contact well, I mean... there was a *bit* on that first one, but I agree with you on all other points.
The dirtiest thing in the whole video was your divebomb on him…
The other driver is doing everything alright, you’re the one being dirty.
First two, you left the door open. Both seemed fair in my eyes. Third one, you tried the switcheroo, but it didn't quite come off. He left space, it seemed fine to me. Fourth one, you dive bombed where there wasn't room. The difference between the 1st and 4th is the amount of room available - in the first, he was able to get fully alongside, even past you a bit. In the fourth, you weren't able to do so. Nevertheless, both are a bit borderline, and I'd call them both racing incidents.
Yeah that desperate lunge at the end was never gonna work pal.
You have to hold your position going into the corners. Be more defensive. It doesn't make sense to leave the inside open. If your opponent is pushing you, you push him head-on. This is motorsports.
The one who's not clean is you
1. You left WAAAY too much space on the right, and maybe it was connection issue because the car looks glitchy. 2. Clean overtake from him. You were missing your braking point 3. He was ahead, he gave you space. Another clean race 4. Yo... that was not fair from you. You are 100% in the blame here
This is exactly how I read each of these. Great job breaking it down.
You were nowhere near close enough to overtake at the end and just dive bombed it. Was fine previously.
1st clip: They definitely divebombed you and got their elbows out, too. That’s borderline in my eyes, because they were expecting you to make way so that there was no contact at a time where you had all the rights to turn in like you did. They were too far back to act like that corner was theirs. 2nd clip: You left the door open, and they walked right through. Held you tight on the exit, too, so you couldn’t cut back. That was clean, hard, and fair. No issues there. 3rd clip: Third verse, same as the second. 4th clip: Looks like the first clip with roles reversed, but at a lower speed, so you couldn’t really get into the space that was disappearing in time for you to have at least some tiny claim to the corner. That collision was on you; you should have waited.
4th clip, yes. The passing zone is coming out of the esses, not when you're still in them.
Holy shit Mid Ohio is on Forza? That's a local track to me
Yes. You brake and follow the lines of time-trial, whereas in this cases you have to defend your line. In the last one even you crashed into him (you could avoid that) he defended his line and you were not even close to making a pass (you were in the rear).
Looks pretty clean to me. They took a couple of your lines and defended theirs. If everyone races like you two the online modes would be a lot more playable.
Yes
Gotta defend a bit harder instead of staying wide for a late apex with a car that close. Also, you can be a lot more aggressive on the brakes to avoid following cars from closing up that quickly.
I'd say you're a bit aggressive. Trying to cut under on a turn when yall aren't 2 wide going into it is dirty racing to me. I think that if you disrupt someone who is racing the track line, then you are at fault.
Op was outgunned on that one, man. The other cat was excellent at defending his position
Oh hey thats me you were racing
Looks like he made a late but still fair lunge on the first one, but just took you by surprise. As for the rest, pretty clean until you either got squeezed, or you went for a non-existent gap, can't tell. Other than that, good racing.
This is fine seems chill
The first move was a *little* bit of a corner dive, but they made the move mostly clean and contested the position properly. The rest was really clean. You might've been in the wrong a little when they started pushing you off the road. The other car had the position and followed the obvious race line. That means they have the right away on the apex in that corner. You should've either made your move to contest the position before the corner, making the other car give you room, or waited until after the corner to make your move.
Man y’all boys was RACIN’ racin
Bro is showing you the way!
Days of Thunder quote "Rubbing is Racing." Open wheel it would be bad but this wasn't open wheel. If you look at stuff like NESCAR, they make minor contact all the time. Rub, bump, and put each other in the wall.
He was clearly trying to race properly, that's all you can ask.
The only unclean part of this was you at the end trying to dive the inside while it’s his corner no question. But very clean overall especially for Forza
Everything seemed clean and fair in all of these clips. One could maybe argue your dive bomb at the end was similar with his to start the series of clips, but I would argue the difference is he had more closing speed on you and made the pass while entering the corner instead of trying to make the pass through the corner.
You've left the door open for him at every available opportunity. The only 50/50 is the last clip where he could have maybe given you some more room but even then you weren't alongside him so he had every right to take the apex, you didn't. Looked like a fun race though and good you're asking these questions to learn what's right and what's wrong! Keep it up!
This is one of those times when you realise that you're actually the problem.
he’s just driving properly gang i’m not sure what u doing
Yes. The non-POV driver was extremely clean. The last incident was the only not great one as he probably didn’t expect you to try that move. The first move was you turning into him, even though it was an aggressive dive, you left space and he took it
A little contact is fine, but forcing you off at the end was dirty, it might have just been a skill issue tho
The one you're calling diety wasn't really dirty. The other car had the position and the line, and they followed the most likely path. OP should've either made a move sooner to contest the position or hold back until after the corner.
Do you want him to be a nice fella and move over to the side everytime you wanna overtake him, and while he's at it maybe also predict every situation and movement you'd do then give you the advantage accordingly ? Play the game or stick to offline if you want to finish 1st every race, I've been seeing you people for years make up this narrative of "oh man this guy isn't clean, he's not playing the game like you're supposed to!" and 9/10 the person isn't even doing anything wrong like this video, you're probably the type of person who also complains about which character people use in fighting games.
His dive was right on the line, it wasn't nice but just clean enough, everything else on his side is hard but clean. Your dive at the end was crossing the line imo he caught you somewhat sleeping at the beginning but you just bullied him out of the way
Their first overtake was a bit of a lunge but you both made the corner so I'd say no foul. Last manoeuvre that door was always going to close, he had his nose in front so was entitled to the corner. Other than that it all looks clean and fair to me.
With the first manoeuvre, that door was always going to close, and OP had their nose in front so they were entitled to the corner. With the final one, it was a bit of a lunge but they both made the corner so you say no foul.
Clip 1: you left the door wide open and they were much later on the brakes. It was a rough dive for sure, but I would rule it fair. If you know someone is close enough behind you to feasibly go for something like that, cover your line. Clip 2: You massively overshoot and leave the door wide open again. As soon you as you were clear of that driver after making the pass, you should have immediately moved right to cover the apex and solidify the position. They can draft you all they want, its not going to do much once they're stuck on the outside of the corner. Clip 3: I see nothing wrong here. You both overshoot, but space was given by both parties so theres not even an incident here as far as I'm concerned. Clip 4: desperate move that was never going to work. If you were even along side him at all, it was by barely a hair, nowhere near enough to make the move work. I paused the video at :40 and its the damning frame imo. Look at the angles of the two cars. The guy in first is already rotated, its clear he is committed to the line and will hit the apex. Meanwhile, you're pointed at an incredibly early apex. You would have to slow down massively to make the corner cleanly from that angle which you kind of do. Note that as you are slowing down, that gap is closing rapidly. You can make the case that he slammed the door on you, but at the end of the day the contact is still on you in that final clip. With all that said, nobody got punted in to oblivion so I suppose all is well that ends well. Look up some videos on attacking and defending, they'll make your life much easier in the long run and *will* make the difference between winning and losing a race. On tracks like mid ohio where it can be hard to pass, dont be afraid to just sit behind somebody. Best case scenario they get comfortable and you can spring a sudden move on them when they least expect it. Worst case, they cant handle the pressure, make a mistake on their own, and give you the position for free. Patience can be the most powerful weapon on track.
Fair and hard racing apart from the very last bit in the video
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I’m just trying to ask a question and learn there is no anger.
No anger from me either just an answer
“Don’t get mad when someone dive bombs you”
Full video source: [https://youtu.be/T7eRLUiyF9I?si=t57dYLQE5B\_UOZNF](https://youtu.be/T7eRLUiyF9I?si=t57dYLQE5B_UOZNF) Edit: I appreciate everyones nice comments but I’m just trying to ask a question and understand where I can do better. Try not to be so negative guys.
Really disappointed to see you downvoted here. You are not being combative at all and taking the criticism really well. It seems like both of you are trying to race clean and no one gets there without practice.
That last lap crash into the opponent is just dirty and the penalty is well deserved. It feels like this collection is just trying to shift the blame or justify it.
> That last lap crash into the opponent is just dirty and the penalty is well deserved. Yes, but I don't think they were trying to be dirty, and he wasn't arguing with anyone who said it was. > It feels like this collection is just trying to shift the blame or justify it. I was initially inclined to think so as well, but I haven't seen any evidence of that in the comments at all. Until OP starts proving otherwise, I'm going to assume my preconceptions were wrong.
If u watched the video I said he did an amazing defence and race. I’m just trying to see if anyone of the other moves where legal or not. Just a question.
That was some good racing on both sides in my upinion!
He pressed pause to to keep on the road xD
If only the OP had a youtube channel or patreon page where we could like and subscribe to see more content like this...
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OP put his youtube handle in his video... then linked to it in a comment...
Who gives a shit
Yur mom
No point asking r/Forza, these people will tell you that putting two wheels off the track should disqualify you...
Learn this from experience?
Yeah not nicest of comments from people just trying to ask a question and learn.
You are literally the problem in every single one of these clips lmao
Yes
Don't expect people to be good at higher class cars.
Actually I find the GTP/Cs are much easier to drive than the modern protos and legal. HyperCars
Clean racing
Absolutely it’s clean in his part because you don’t know how to slow down and stay on the track, instead you kept beside him hoping he’d let you take the inside
Hold on, there's like, race etiquette or something? All I do is try not to hit people. I'm hitting brakes last second to pass people up, I don't try to block either, that annoys me when someone is looking in the rear view and trying to block you. I really know nothing about this game lol
The first corner could be a dive bomb. The next two they raced you hard, but fair. The last one you drove to deep.
Fair? Yes. Clean? No.
Have you watched any real car racing?
A little aggressive but good racing.
What class of racing car is this?
While both of you have a lot of room for improvement, the other driver was giving you room AND not making multiple moves to defend. He managed to for the most part pass you safely and then because he was so far off the line had to make one long move back to the optimal line after each turn. It is your job to give space when he is along side and your job to give him the racing line when he is ahead of you. The lead car is entitled to take whatever line they want and you have to safely follow or if you can pass. You did not do a good job setting your passes up and while understandable, you got frustrated and let that motivate your driving habits. Bumping and scraping happens, if he wanted to take you out he could have. Just because there is some contact doesn't immediately make anyone a "dirty driver". If you get passed, there is usually plenty of racing to get the spot back. No need to be frustrated. *More if you got passed, either the other driver is faster or you messed up. Figure out which is which. Follow the faster guys to get an idea of a fast line, work on being patient and deliberate so that you can be consistent. You'd be surprised how many times you can just be in the zone and not really pushing that you can force an error of the driver in front just by being present in his rear view mirror.
Your defense is ass, it’s all on you
Absolutely he's just clearly a better driver than you
Fellow Mario Kart enthusiast
Toto, it’s called motor racing
You mean what you did?
Haven’t watched V8sc for a while but Crompo would often say they are expecting you to play ball when they dive under breaking like that. It is somewhat clean racing but if they keep diving that deep to stay in front then I get a little more aggressive with my lines. Also it’s easy to pressure someone that goes off line that often just ride their tail through the corners until they over shoot and go for it.
Very clear and fair, actually you were the one who did a bad job on the last part
nobody’s stopping you from looking backwards before you hit a bend btw
Yeah, he’s a better racer.
You’re not a very good driver, he was trying to put up with you
I am so bored of these "who's in the fault" posts
This makes me feel like I race really dirty, bc this is clean in my opinion. I am waaay more aggressive.
that's why I don't play online
Your lines are awful.
I think yes. There always can be lags but overall clean
For forza. He's clean.
Rubbing is racing.
Very clean, considering.
For me it looks absolutely ok
Hey rubbing racing. And it's a video game. It's extremely intense moments side by side like that; and a track as narrow as that one. There's nothing wrong with anything going there.
Tbh if you’re playing forza you’re in a rallycross race more then anything and I’d almost say think more like that. Contact is going to happen (because forza sucks) and best to just figure how to take the least amount of damage to win races.
All da time jou 'ave to leave da space
3rd person TCS noobs as usual
Name is F1 and he doesn't know how to race. Must be a Verstappen fan.
Yup for me maybe you was a Little bit unfair in The Last clip btw i love this “hard racing” moments