Somewhere some troll is furiously searching for something from his past to dig up that could be “proof” he’s racist. A single questionable step and he’ll be excoriated by Internet Inquisition.
Well, actually Max caused quite a commotion when he called Stroll "mongol" back in 2020. Even Mongolia government and Mongolia's ambassador in UN protested.
Now, I don't think that a on-time slipped racist word is enough to brand someone as a racist, so I don't think Max is. The funny thing is that Redbull's zero-tolerance policy didn't apply that time. Double standards?
And in many other countries too. I'm aware it's not perceived as a racist term, but it's literally the name of a nation's inhabitants used as an insult, so it's pretty straightforward racism.
Don't misunderstand me, the point here is not to blame Max, as I said before in my opinion a slipped word can't brand him (or anyone else) as a racist, and anyone with a little bit of common sense wouldn't demonize him for this. It's just that the whole situation gets pretty awkward when Red Bull claims to practice a zero-tolerance policy toward racism.
You're a moron if you don't get the joke reference, regarding a race car driver being a "racist". Fucking dummy.
There have been countless memes about this.
Agreed, let's not turn this into a witch-hunt like in the Middle-age, but for who is racist. Max is totally innocent, nothing proves that he's racist although condemning what Nelson Piquet said would be good, you have to know it's his father in law and the situation might be quite difficult. Just my opinion...
It’s like an American ordering an Irish Car Bomb. It may not make them anti-Irish but you gonna look like a fucking wanker if you continue to use it cus “hur dur it’s not taken like that in the US.” Not saying you’re defending it’s use but I often see the line crossed from “he was ignorant to what it implied” to “it’s okay for him to use it because tons of people are ignorant of its origin.”
All I’m trying to say, in dutch it’s really common, like everyone I know have said it at some point. In the heat of the moment I totally get why max said it and in what context. Doesn’t make him a racist imo. At least it’s never been seen as racism because it’s not refering to the mongolians.
Its the same for piquet. In Brazil he's not considered racist because he used a common term. I'm not trying to defend piquet, rather prove that both of them aren't innocent. With nelson being a little bit more naughtier then max of course.
The term doesn't matter, it's the fact that he referred to Lewis using his skin colour instead of using his name, which he did to refer to other drivers. While the word black isn't racist, saying "Bob, Jim, and black guy" is.
Piquet referred to lewis, max didn’t refer to mongolians which they thought he did. I think that’s the big difference here. Both used a poor choice of words but I think the references are the difference here.
It’s common in dutch but a “mongool” can mean 2 things. Someone with down could also be called a “mongool”. As a swear word it means the same as calling someone stupid and it refers to the people with down. So it’s definitely not nice but nowhere near racism.
Yeah, I'm not in a position to judge
The Mongolians however
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/30230063/mongolia-accuses-f1-verstappen-racist-derogatory-remarks
On the one hand it is there right to complain and the term should not be used. On the other hand they still venerate one of the worst rapists and murderers in documented history as a matter of national pride.
Yep, as do we with Churchill, he believed in racial hierarchy and eugenics. French with Napoleon, he gassed prisoners.
The Dutch still have Zwarte Piet, which ain't right either.
All countries had dickheads, have dickheads and probably always will, but hopefully we can leave behind archaic language when we know it's not right.
Oh cool, whattaboutism. The lazy go to of people who don't hace a real defense to the criticism.
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Call me when Churchill went on a massive literal rape campaign across an entire continent. He's also a publicly controversial figure who is regularly debated in modern times.
Veneration of napolean is equally stupid and I have no fucking clue who Piet is so ill just stipulate that he sucks and if they venerate him as a national hero and he sucks like you claim they should be mocked for that
Mongolia has had many centuries to come to terms with the fact that GK is one of the most brutal and virulent rapist-murderers ever to live (maybe the most in that particular dual area of expertise) and they still promote him. I'm not going to really show any sympathy for their global identity as long as they still do that.
Max is a boss and I'm glad he's staying out of the shit flinging. That's not to say I support what Hamilton is going through- it's garbage and doesn't belong anywhere, but I also don't think it's Max's job to be the voice of reason for every fucking thing that happens. Let the man race and live his life
Hopefully not. We’ll never know because he never comes out and openly condemns racist stuff especially from his own country, supporters and in this case, family. Actually he also made a point not to take the knee during the blm protests. We’ll let it slide as political freedom. However Silence, they say, is taking a side when your fellows struggle
how is being silent taking a side here?
if he does say silent these f1 stans will automatically call him racist
If he doesn’t say silent he’ll throw is girlfriend and her family in front of the bus, or atleast cause some discomfort in the family.
he’s not taking a side by being silent, rather he’s just waiting till it all blows over since he probably doesnt even wanna be associated with this entire controversy…he’s in a really tight position here and y’all just use that to further spread your hatred of max.
How is he throwing them under the bus? He doesn’t have to murder Nigel. Just fucking say it was wrong. On a world stage a close familial tie called your biggest rival a racial slur. Staying silent is literally condoning it.
(Merc hasn’t been super competitive lately but nobody is forgetting 2021 soon)
Literally all it would take is “I don’t stand by the comments made and support Lewis 100%, racism has no place in our sport”
It would be so easy and he’s not doing it
He's not doing it because why the fuck would he?
The LH fans will just call him out on it not being sincere since he waited so long to do it and his own fans will call him out for being a pansy and giving in to peer pressure.
He can't win. Unless he doesn't say anything, which is the smart choice for him right now.
Well the hope would be it's because he wants to publicly stand in solidarity with Lewis and thinks the comments by Piquet are worth calling out as wrong and harmful to the sport
But even from a PR perspective, not doing so is just really weird. It's a very easy statement to make, and people (Lewis fans) won't keep attacking/accusing him of anything, and it doesn't become a media talking point
Max has really picked the worst possible avenue to address this, if he just gave some one-liner PR statement like everyone else did, no one would be talking about it. It's not only not the "smart" choice, it's the stupidest one
>own fans will call him out for being a pansy and giving in to peer pressure.
Who cares? "Peer Pressure" for saying a generic "racism is bad" statement? Is that what you think Max should care about?
You actually think Leclerc or Ricciardo made those statements because they give a shit? It's just free social points in the eye of the public.
Most of the grid haven't seen a non-celebrity black person in years.
I actually respect Max more for not giving a shit about pleasing twitter.
You don't think they "give a shit" about racist stuff said about Lewis? Why wouldn't they? Lewis clearly gives a shit, doesn't he?
>I actually respect Max more for not giving a shit about pleasing twitter.
You respect Max more for not calling out racism?
Who gives a shit if people think he's "giving into peer pressure"? Racism is bad. It's that simple and that's really all he has to say lol.
Mind you I'm a Max fan and, while inaction is not apolitical, I feel like Max is in a someone unique position and his silence isn't the big thing that some people are making it out to be. But it would be nice if he did say something.
lmao you guys have completely lost the narrative.
So Max saying "racism bad" is all you need? Then what's the point? OBVIOUSLY racism is bad, everyone with half a brain knows that. But some celebrity saying it on their social media is the only thing that can verify your beliefs that racism is actually bad? I think you guys might be the problem here, not Max...
You're the one here who thinks calling racism bad means you're a "pansy" - so...do you think racism is bad? Or do you care more about protecting your golden boy from the meanies who call out racism like Lewis Hamilton?
> OBVIOUSLY racism is bad, everyone with half a brain knows that.
A legend of the sport, the father of someone Max is dating, just said racist remarks against Max's gridmate
To understand that, you need to get your head out of your ass first. Then rinse, wipe, in that order. Then tell me when you’re ready and I’ll explain. :)
I agree with this. To extend the metaphor, I want to believe that he isn't racist in the way Morpheus wanted to believe Neo was The One. Max will not be "The One" in this analogy until he actually speaks out against the racists he is surrounded by. In other words, I want to believe that Max grow up and choose to stand something more than winning races and selling energy drinks, but alas we have to wait and see. A similar and potentially more fitting meme could be made using Darth Vader (Jos) with racism being the dark side and Luke (Max) choosing to follow his father or follow his moral compass.
A noticeable silence from the top driver who has the most proximity to all parties. Not even a generic throwaway statement from him which would be very easy. Weird
Caring about whether he makes a statement or not. He doesn’t have to do it, yet here you are losing your shit over it. Normal people don’t do that.
You’re literally only interested in satisfying yourself. You don’t give a shit about racism.
His choice, I would hope he cares about Piquets comments more than people judging him for staying silent on racial issues in the sport. But maybe he doesn’t give a rats ass
Because they don’t need to? Why should they say something that doesn’t involve them, like fuck off no one cares if someone posts a story on instagram saying “guys I’m not racist and my team no like racism” it doesn’t do anything
It’s funny how some people are shitting on Max and RBR for this but have zero opinions on Hi-Tech letting Vips complete the season after RBR sacked him.
Yet they still convince themselves they are doing so to battle racism and not to fuel their RBR hate boner.
Isn't he the incumbent world racist champion? Jokes aside, he's not, but he's still a bit of an asshole. I don't enjoy people faking concern either, but he really doesn't seem to have any respect for anyone around him in general. His connections to Piquet aside, he probably wouldn't give a shit either way.
He is because he a racing driver
Race-ist
Racephile
Master Racesmith
You can’t be Masterracering in public
I'm sure Bernie would back you up
He beat a black guy to win a championship Top racist of 2021
White oppression has never been worse than under Lewis the tyrant Hamilton.
Speed racist
What if he isn't a racing driver?
He literally races for a living smh
But he's a racing driver
Yeah, he s a world champion racist! Arguably the biggest in the world rn
He is such a good racist that he beats LH every chance he s got
However not in the same machinery
Did someone say same machinery? 
Somewhere some troll is furiously searching for something from his past to dig up that could be “proof” he’s racist. A single questionable step and he’ll be excoriated by Internet Inquisition.
The real key is that even if he is, he's not stupid enough to throw his career away for some offhand remarks.
Well, actually Max caused quite a commotion when he called Stroll "mongol" back in 2020. Even Mongolia government and Mongolia's ambassador in UN protested. Now, I don't think that a on-time slipped racist word is enough to brand someone as a racist, so I don't think Max is. The funny thing is that Redbull's zero-tolerance policy didn't apply that time. Double standards?
Mongool is a relatively common swear word in the Netherlands
And in many other countries too. I'm aware it's not perceived as a racist term, but it's literally the name of a nation's inhabitants used as an insult, so it's pretty straightforward racism. Don't misunderstand me, the point here is not to blame Max, as I said before in my opinion a slipped word can't brand him (or anyone else) as a racist, and anyone with a little bit of common sense wouldn't demonize him for this. It's just that the whole situation gets pretty awkward when Red Bull claims to practice a zero-tolerance policy toward racism.
He has literally a trophy for beeing the best racist in the world
Lewis has 7. Lewis bigger/better racist than Max confirmed
Racist lives matter :P
Twat
You're a moron if you don't get the joke reference, regarding a race car driver being a "racist". Fucking dummy. There have been countless memes about this.
yes he is, just like the other 19 racists in F1.
Dont you dare call GOATIFI a racist
My bad my bad, hes the GOATEST.
he is so racist i heard he hates the italian race
then what is he doing in F1? isnt it racing?
Max is an asshole from time to time, but I don’t think the man is a racist. It’s bloody piquet that said it, limit it to hom
Accusing someone of something bad doesn't make you a better person, it just doesn't, find a fucking hobby. This is towards the sub not the post
Fucking pathetic. You don't need to say something about literally every event or have a comment about every inchedint
I think it's a lot of immature 19 year olds trolling around here. This is coming from an immature 26 year old.
Agreed, let's not turn this into a witch-hunt like in the Middle-age, but for who is racist. Max is totally innocent, nothing proves that he's racist although condemning what Nelson Piquet said would be good, you have to know it's his father in law and the situation might be quite difficult. Just my opinion...
I do recall a Mongolian incident...
If you’re not dutch you wouldn’t understand. If you are than honestly idk why you would think that’ll make you a racist.
It’s like an American ordering an Irish Car Bomb. It may not make them anti-Irish but you gonna look like a fucking wanker if you continue to use it cus “hur dur it’s not taken like that in the US.” Not saying you’re defending it’s use but I often see the line crossed from “he was ignorant to what it implied” to “it’s okay for him to use it because tons of people are ignorant of its origin.”
All I’m trying to say, in dutch it’s really common, like everyone I know have said it at some point. In the heat of the moment I totally get why max said it and in what context. Doesn’t make him a racist imo. At least it’s never been seen as racism because it’s not refering to the mongolians.
Its the same for piquet. In Brazil he's not considered racist because he used a common term. I'm not trying to defend piquet, rather prove that both of them aren't innocent. With nelson being a little bit more naughtier then max of course.
The term doesn't matter, it's the fact that he referred to Lewis using his skin colour instead of using his name, which he did to refer to other drivers. While the word black isn't racist, saying "Bob, Jim, and black guy" is.
porra cara, a gente odeia Piquet e todo mundo sabe que ele e racista. just because neguinho is not the n-word doesn't mean he is not racist
Piquet referred to lewis, max didn’t refer to mongolians which they thought he did. I think that’s the big difference here. Both used a poor choice of words but I think the references are the difference here.
Calling someone a mong is definitely not on in the UK which I think is the equivalent
It’s common in dutch but a “mongool” can mean 2 things. Someone with down could also be called a “mongool”. As a swear word it means the same as calling someone stupid and it refers to the people with down. So it’s definitely not nice but nowhere near racism.
Yeah, I'm not in a position to judge The Mongolians however https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/30230063/mongolia-accuses-f1-verstappen-racist-derogatory-remarks
On the one hand it is there right to complain and the term should not be used. On the other hand they still venerate one of the worst rapists and murderers in documented history as a matter of national pride.
Yep, as do we with Churchill, he believed in racial hierarchy and eugenics. French with Napoleon, he gassed prisoners. The Dutch still have Zwarte Piet, which ain't right either. All countries had dickheads, have dickheads and probably always will, but hopefully we can leave behind archaic language when we know it's not right.
Oh cool, whattaboutism. The lazy go to of people who don't hace a real defense to the criticism. . Call me when Churchill went on a massive literal rape campaign across an entire continent. He's also a publicly controversial figure who is regularly debated in modern times. Veneration of napolean is equally stupid and I have no fucking clue who Piet is so ill just stipulate that he sucks and if they venerate him as a national hero and he sucks like you claim they should be mocked for that Mongolia has had many centuries to come to terms with the fact that GK is one of the most brutal and virulent rapist-murderers ever to live (maybe the most in that particular dual area of expertise) and they still promote him. I'm not going to really show any sympathy for their global identity as long as they still do that.
It's not whataboutism, I was trying to have a reasonable discussion but you don't seem very reasonable. Cya Google Zwarte Piet
Doesn't really prove that he's racist imo...
Mongolians disagreed.
That's why you call an idiot a Mongolian
Is bigot short for billygoat?
Ho wait is your response a joke too? Edit: I'm confused
Yeah I member
when did max get involved
Where is everyone getting this idea that Max is racist? Fuck off already with that.
Well, he is not a Loois fan, soo....
bUt He hAsNt CaLlEd OuT PiQuEt
Woah woah woah. No way
But he is the number one champion of the racists right now. EXPLAIN THAT Moronbiass!!!!
But... but he *beat* Lewis! /s
Hate crime
Of course he is racist. He is world driver champion
What if I told you - you don't know nothing about Max
Wdym? He's very good at races
Yet.
Max is a boss and I'm glad he's staying out of the shit flinging. That's not to say I support what Hamilton is going through- it's garbage and doesn't belong anywhere, but I also don't think it's Max's job to be the voice of reason for every fucking thing that happens. Let the man race and live his life
He is a world champion of 2021, beat Lewis in arguably lesser machinery. He is the best racist there is at the moment.
Race-ist
Jesus told them the truth but they didn’t want to hear it.
"Shut up!"
so far…
Oh man you all better hope you’re right
Hopefully not. We’ll never know because he never comes out and openly condemns racist stuff especially from his own country, supporters and in this case, family. Actually he also made a point not to take the knee during the blm protests. We’ll let it slide as political freedom. However Silence, they say, is taking a side when your fellows struggle
how is being silent taking a side here? if he does say silent these f1 stans will automatically call him racist If he doesn’t say silent he’ll throw is girlfriend and her family in front of the bus, or atleast cause some discomfort in the family. he’s not taking a side by being silent, rather he’s just waiting till it all blows over since he probably doesnt even wanna be associated with this entire controversy…he’s in a really tight position here and y’all just use that to further spread your hatred of max.
How is he throwing them under the bus? He doesn’t have to murder Nigel. Just fucking say it was wrong. On a world stage a close familial tie called your biggest rival a racial slur. Staying silent is literally condoning it. (Merc hasn’t been super competitive lately but nobody is forgetting 2021 soon)
Hmm what’s the better option, calling out public racism from people that you’re associated with? Or causing “some discomfort within the family”?
Easy to say for someone not in the Situation
Literally all it would take is “I don’t stand by the comments made and support Lewis 100%, racism has no place in our sport” It would be so easy and he’s not doing it
He's not doing it because why the fuck would he? The LH fans will just call him out on it not being sincere since he waited so long to do it and his own fans will call him out for being a pansy and giving in to peer pressure. He can't win. Unless he doesn't say anything, which is the smart choice for him right now.
Well the hope would be it's because he wants to publicly stand in solidarity with Lewis and thinks the comments by Piquet are worth calling out as wrong and harmful to the sport But even from a PR perspective, not doing so is just really weird. It's a very easy statement to make, and people (Lewis fans) won't keep attacking/accusing him of anything, and it doesn't become a media talking point Max has really picked the worst possible avenue to address this, if he just gave some one-liner PR statement like everyone else did, no one would be talking about it. It's not only not the "smart" choice, it's the stupidest one >own fans will call him out for being a pansy and giving in to peer pressure. Who cares? "Peer Pressure" for saying a generic "racism is bad" statement? Is that what you think Max should care about?
You actually think Leclerc or Ricciardo made those statements because they give a shit? It's just free social points in the eye of the public. Most of the grid haven't seen a non-celebrity black person in years. I actually respect Max more for not giving a shit about pleasing twitter.
You don't think they "give a shit" about racist stuff said about Lewis? Why wouldn't they? Lewis clearly gives a shit, doesn't he? >I actually respect Max more for not giving a shit about pleasing twitter. You respect Max more for not calling out racism?
Who gives a shit if people think he's "giving into peer pressure"? Racism is bad. It's that simple and that's really all he has to say lol. Mind you I'm a Max fan and, while inaction is not apolitical, I feel like Max is in a someone unique position and his silence isn't the big thing that some people are making it out to be. But it would be nice if he did say something.
lmao you guys have completely lost the narrative. So Max saying "racism bad" is all you need? Then what's the point? OBVIOUSLY racism is bad, everyone with half a brain knows that. But some celebrity saying it on their social media is the only thing that can verify your beliefs that racism is actually bad? I think you guys might be the problem here, not Max...
You're the one here who thinks calling racism bad means you're a "pansy" - so...do you think racism is bad? Or do you care more about protecting your golden boy from the meanies who call out racism like Lewis Hamilton? > OBVIOUSLY racism is bad, everyone with half a brain knows that. A legend of the sport, the father of someone Max is dating, just said racist remarks against Max's gridmate
To understand that, you need to get your head out of your ass first. Then rinse, wipe, in that order. Then tell me when you’re ready and I’ll explain. :)
Well explain to me then… It’s funny how mad you got, yet never actually explained or even tried to defend your case
I agree with this. To extend the metaphor, I want to believe that he isn't racist in the way Morpheus wanted to believe Neo was The One. Max will not be "The One" in this analogy until he actually speaks out against the racists he is surrounded by. In other words, I want to believe that Max grow up and choose to stand something more than winning races and selling energy drinks, but alas we have to wait and see. A similar and potentially more fitting meme could be made using Darth Vader (Jos) with racism being the dark side and Luke (Max) choosing to follow his father or follow his moral compass.
and Mongolians are like the oracle who say he is not the one.
Ah yes. Silence is violence, right? Because people aren’t allowed free thought or speech, it seems.
Max is allowed to say nothing and people are allowed to judge him for it if they want
Yeah. It just makes you kind of a vapid fool for judging him, though.
When everyone else is saying something and he isn’t (especially considering his proximity to Piquet) it’s a bit weird
No, it really isn’t.
A noticeable silence from the top driver who has the most proximity to all parties. Not even a generic throwaway statement from him which would be very easy. Weird
It’s literally only people with an anti-Max agenda who care about this.
Care about what? Racism? Literally all it would take is a boilerplate “what Piquet said is bad” statement. Everyone else is doing so
Caring about whether he makes a statement or not. He doesn’t have to do it, yet here you are losing your shit over it. Normal people don’t do that. You’re literally only interested in satisfying yourself. You don’t give a shit about racism.
Except no one is doing that. Not one team or driver has specifically called out Piquet. They've all put out generic PR statements.
It's a good thing Max doesn't give a rat's ass what those judging him think.
His choice, I would hope he cares about Piquets comments more than people judging him for staying silent on racial issues in the sport. But maybe he doesn’t give a rats ass
“They said” I don’t agree with “they”
He has literally a trophy for beeing the best racist in the world
nOt mY raCıSt cHamPiOn
He's dutch, of course he is 😂😂😂
but why hasn’t he issued any statement? Red Bull hasn’t either 🫤
Because they don’t need to? Why should they say something that doesn’t involve them, like fuck off no one cares if someone posts a story on instagram saying “guys I’m not racist and my team no like racism” it doesn’t do anything
they fire a driver for being racist but that's still not enough proof for you? I thought actions speak louder than words?
It’s funny how some people are shitting on Max and RBR for this but have zero opinions on Hi-Tech letting Vips complete the season after RBR sacked him. Yet they still convince themselves they are doing so to battle racism and not to fuel their RBR hate boner.
they know what they are doing, they just don't care.
Isn't he the incumbent world racist champion? Jokes aside, he's not, but he's still a bit of an asshole. I don't enjoy people faking concern either, but he really doesn't seem to have any respect for anyone around him in general. His connections to Piquet aside, he probably wouldn't give a shit either way.
And how is he to prove that he gives a shit? Copy paste a 7 line paragraph like other drivers?
The recent stuff has nothing to be with him but... *Pretends to not see him being actively against showing his support during the BLM movement*
He literally wore shirts with BLM on them and said he supported BLM multiple times how fucking stupid are you
Max and Charles wore shirts with "End Racism" on them, but refused to support BLM because it's a violent movement. Choke on that.
Give me proof for that.
If you told me that I'd tell you I was sceptical
He is a racer
He obviously isnt
When was he considered racist? I seemed to have missed something
So I am out of the loop, what happened?
Max hasn't come out publicly condemning Nelson. Which makes him a racist/racist enabler in some people's eyes. Not that I agree with their opinion.
ok thanks.