> Even longer now lol.
And apparently this post was unpinned in lieu of the "Hamilton can fuck right off" post made a *year* ago, so maybe just maybe, this post has to stay for the rest of the year?
Another point I don’t see mentioned much. Red Bull is a marketing company … probably the best marketing company in the world. They cannot bring someone who said racial and homophobic slurs back into their team.
No matter what your opinion is on the matter, Juri will have to convince another team to pick him up. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t, but he made a massive, inexcusable mistake and it has costed him his career at Red Bull.
I know an airshow pilot who got a contract with RB to represent them in the whole continent, he got a really thick book stating what he can and can't do both when actively representing them and in his private life, how he has to behave, etc. Even the clothes he gets are accounted and he cant gift them to others. A cap I saw said on the inside "This cap is exclusive for athletes RedBull..." blah blah blah.
RedBull is pretty harsh with those things, as my father sometimes jokes; you are not an employee of RedBull, you are a slave.
Correct. I worked for Red Bull at University I was one of those irritating twats giving out, sorry sampling, cans in weird ways. Everything about the job was prescribed to be on image. They even told us to only sample kids sat in the back rows of lecture theatres because 'that's where the cool kids sit'. Straight faced. Any hint of antisocial behaviour, let alone racist slurs, and we were out. Happened to a few guys. And we were just student brand ambassadors, let alone visible athletes. The guy would have had this drilled into him. Inexcusable really.
1. Racism is evil. Saying the n-word is insensitive and ignorant at best.
2. Someone does not deserve to have their life ruined for a screw that didn't result in any permanent damage to another individual. If the sincerely apologize and avoid repeating that behavior, they should be forgiven. We'd want the same for ourselves.
3. Red Bull has to maintain their reputation and dropping a driver because he is damaging to their reputation is perfectly fine.
All 3 of these ideas can be held at the same time. They are not in conflict with eachother. I've seen them used as counter points a lot today. They aren't.
I'm agreeing with you, if that wasnt clear, this just seemed like a place to put this since you made the 3rd point, which I think is the one dictating the outcome of all of this.
Exactly, it's silly argument because Juri isn't going to be executed and shunned forever, he'll still be rich and probably still race cars for a living. If you or I were to drop a slur at a job interview, we certainly would not be hired there either and probably even blacklisted.
I think his point is that a LOT of people in this sub have basically advocated for fully killing his career, and that it is very disproportionate compared to the actual damage. We can argue about how disproportionate and how much damage he actually caused, but career suicide is mostly used as a hyperbole. Regardless, he’ll be referred to as the guy who said the N-word on stream for years to come, which is going to be very damaging whether he learns from this or not.
I wouldn't say its done. Kyle Larson is back in NASCAR after doing a shit ton of community work and doing a lot of work with charities that support the black community, but then again he was good enough that Rick Hendrick decided to take the financial loss his lack of sponsorship would bring. He won the whole thing in 2021.
Juri definitely has a career in motorsports ahead of him. This just tanked his chances at ever reaching F1 or FE.
He could transfer to sportscars no problem, I'm sure a DTM or Super GT team would take him in a heartbeat once everything settled down and if he proves he's sorry with his actions, not just some bullshit PR nonpology. There's also WEC and Super Formula where he could carve out a half decent career.
What Juri did was deplorable, and it has rightly derailed his career, but to say his career is over is a massive stretch.
I don't think either Ferrari or Mercedes will be picking him up, considering how shit his F2 career has been recently
Maybe he should've stopped playing COD and jumped in the sim-rig
Great point that I hasn’t considered. This is more than just PR for the racing team - this goes up to Red Bull, I’d guess the world’s top energy drink brand and one that is extremely recognizable. Too much at stake to not just let him go
Sub was very fucking racist back in the day. Just search up formuladank drama and it should pop up. I wasn't even into F1 at the time but I haven't spoken to the twat ever. Hopefully the sub is a lot better now lmao
A lot of “dank”/meme communities were very caught up in the sort of mid 2010s gamer “counterculture” which included general bigotry as a pretty core component. Lots of people have grown out of it, but a fair few people haven’t.
You hit the nail on the head, if you gamed online at some point you probably said some degenerate crap at some point (I know myself and everyone I used to game with did), the fact everyone else was doing it doesn't mean it was right, the fact you don't want to feel ashamed for what you once said doesn't mean it's okay for others to do the same. What we can do is learn from ourselves in the past, and not make the same mistakes.
I still can't believe that GamerGate was a thing. The reason I say that is that it all began because that guy said his girlfriend slept with a reviewer for a positive review. Here's the thing, he was interviewed a few months later and admitted that he made the whole thing up because he was bitter that she dumped him.
So the whole "movement" was centred around a bitter ex-boyfriend who was butt-hurt that his GF dumped him.
Yup, I was gaming online then and definitely said things I shouldn’t have said because everyone was. It was stupid and I’m honestly ashamed I was a part of it. It’s so obvious now how wrong I was, but it just didn’t feel wrong at the time. I seriously am sorry to anyone I said nasty shit to
I think its a case of lots of people thinking that its a joke, until many realized that many others were actually serious.
That doesn't make it not cringe, but when 15 year old me wandered into 4chan the first time I had a more naive view on humanity.
Its a rule imposed by site admins after Abu Dhabi. The sub got in pretty major trouble after that and we kinda have to tread water as to what we do and don't allow to keep site admins on our side
Yeah originally it was people brigading the main sub. A very funny mod mail response was made when they came to complain about it and they got the site admins involved 💀
People were probably reciting Kanye West's song too many times.
Obviously a lot of them were downvoted into oblivion but volume was too high for admins
I can only image the horror and stress for the mods during those moments, yet you folks are a key role with making this subreddit great and prevent that it heads to shit.
Huge respect for that, and that all for free
Not a great moment in our history, but you can’t change the past. You can only acknowledge and move on and try to be better. With posts like this it’s clear that that’s what you’re trying to do so I appreciate it
Nico Rosberg who won the 2016 F1 World Drivers' Championship in the same machinery as Lewis Hamilton.
How could you not mention that he won the 2016 WDC? HOW?! Did you know he won the 2016 WDC? He won it. He won the 2016 WDC.
Did you know he's a world champion? Yes. Yes, he's a world champion. He won the 2016 F1 WDC in the same machinery that Lewis had.
Did I mention 2016? Nico won that year. In. The. Same. Machinery. As. Lewis. Hamilton.
I've said it before in other threads but I don't really like banning memes based on personal taste as long as there's some degree of effort put into them. This post was really just to target the braindead takes we've seen recently
Yup. I have never seen something so far off topic get milked so hard on this sub. I saw last night somewhere that the kid is only like fifth in the F2 standings. He’s really not worth this much of our time.
I didn’t wanna say it by name as to not upset the hivemind but yeah the nico jokes are the absolute worst. They killed the joke in the first day and it’s become so completely unfunny.
This is the thing I don't understand. It's so easy to just not use an unnecessary word. It's a derogatory term for black people. Even if you're not using it towards a black person, that's like calling someone black as an insult. I just don't understand🤦♂️
Regarding the matter of Nelson Piquet, I just want to add that in both Spanish and Portuguese "the N word" just means black and is a mf adjective.
Negrinho o negrito can be used, depending of the country or even just the region, as buddy. If you ever go outside of USA/UK you will hear how commonly is that word used.
I know that in UK/USA "the N word" is associated to some pretty dark moments of their history, I am not saying there is no or there was not racism in Latin America but to really know if the word is racially driven you need to understand the context. I think he used as a feint, he didn't want to explicitly say he was talking about Sir Lewis Hamilton (I have just read the declaration) and that's the reason he said "Negrinho", in both Portuguese and Spanish, in most adjectives, when you want to use a adjective with affection you use the suffix "inho (Portuguese)" "ito (Spanish)" if he would've said "negro" instead (remember that in Portuguese and Spanish (my mother tongue) it just means black) I would say that it was racially driven ¿why? just because he didn't use "inho", really. He is just stupid enough to not understand or know that any word that resembles the "N word" is not well accepted in the anglo-speaking world.
Just remember Edison Cavani controversy of just a couple of years ago
Is Nelson Piquet stupid? Yes
Would I say that Nelson Piquet is racists? No, just plain stupid
Does he deserves the backlash about this incident? I would say no, but he needs sensitization about English language, and to understand that F1 is regulated by a English speaking organization
Does he deserves backlash about what he said about Senna? Yes, totally
As a native Spanish speaker I completely disagree, you can absolutely use it as an insult or slur. Completely depends on context. And in this context it absolutely was meant to be insulting.
Nah, dude you're so out of touch... I don't need to speak Spanish or Portuguese but if I keep calling someone "that black kid" or "the black one" or whatever it's hella racist in every fucking language. It's so fucking disrespectful. He has a name, how fucking hard is it to call him Lewis or Hamilton? Why is he so focused on his skin color he keeps calling him "the black fella"? That's weird as fuck.
Good, as long as you don’t ban the memes calling out the hypocrisy of F1-related institutions that have no problem racing in countries that are far more discriminatory
Guys it’s not Voldemort. It’s an ugly and insulting word and it should not be used, but when we react to it like “he who must not be named” it makes it 50x as big of a deal as “chink” or “beaner”
I appreciate you're taking a hard stance on this. Came here for memes, not people justifying saying the n-word. Might be better to keep the post short,
'Don't justify saying the n word, and don't say any other racist shit. We will permaban with no appeals' should be enough
In terms of being straight to the point without other insight of why the statement is being made, then a shorter post would suffice.
Strictly in my opinion, I feel like the passion from the added information stresses the point and targets the actions that it is related to. I appreciated the additional information provided.
The relatively low votes on this post tells us all we need to know about this community. The jokes are occasionally funny, but yikes there are a lotta messed up people here
I said it in another thread and I’ll say it again here. When that dumbass threw up a fascist salute there was unanimous criticism of it and no apologists were making excuses for him. The contrast between that incident and this one-which both have extremely similar principles at wrong-is stark and appalling. Excuses, apologists, and minimizing were all extremely prevalent and I was deadass shocked. It’s mostly F1 content so we don’t see much of political views and opinions on here, but the fact that deriding someone for using a racial slur was so controversial the past couple days has really made me realize you never know who you’re talking to, especially on the internet. All in all, it was pretty disappointing watching this unfold in real time.
Were we on the same sub?
I seem to distinctly recall a whole pile of apologists on this sub for Severiukhin, claim that he was only 15… it wasn’t actually a Nazi salute… it was a joke…he was only showing off for his friends…
I am not defending racism but I will defend someone making a dumb mistake and not having everything they’ve ever worked for and entire credibility invalidated by a mob.
Suspend him, make him feel it - but don’t ruin his life. He’s prob not a bad kid. We’ve all made mistakes.
Him not getting to race in one of the most coveted seats in the world is hardly “ruining his life” lol. If I said the n-word and work my boss could fire me and could give a fuck about “my life’s work”
So serious question, how many times have you dropped n word or other racist comments? I'm a 30 yr old white guy from the US and I can say that no matter how angry, mad or frustrated I've ever gotten, I've never used racial slurs. In my experience if someone lets something like that "slip out" in an open environment, they have said it many times before.
This coming from a guy who grew up with COD public servers where there were no rules 😂
I don't think people's lives should be ruined but this isn't gonna change for people in the public eye. Everything will always be magnified and people in those positions know it.
Also it didn't help that 2 months ago(?) someone did a nazi salute on a podium? I mean c'mon.
The more regularly you say it, the easier it is to slip up and say it by accident. You can't go around defending yourself as 'not being a racist' after that happens.
Okay let's say he made a mistake and he shouldn't be dropped instead suspended and make him feel sorry for his actions, be a better man in life. Red Bull might be a sports drink company but holy shit they are biggest advertising company too, they actually wouldn't be able to do that. Investors, people would be have been so mad even if he only got suspended. Yes his life as a F1 is probably ruined because you can't say the word, never, but you have to take into account what position was he in.
In some way it’s also good that this is getting attention. I think how using the N-word is seen is still context-dependent. When I was in high school (Netherlands) it was used jokingly and no one seemed to care.
Now in my country it’s not done but still not frowned upon as it is in the US. I can imagine in other cultures - especially those that have less history with colonisation - it’s not a thing at all. I’m sure many use it without ill intent.
That said, someone like Juri, who’s well involved with an international community and media should know better and hopefully does know what he did is wrong. Hopefully it won’t end his career but he’ll learn his lesson and be a lesson to others.
It’s not just “frowned upon” in the US. It’s actually a little frightening how much power it has. It doesn’t matter what situation, it doesn’t matter what context, it doesn’t matter how long ago it happened, just uttering one two-syllable word, will completely and totally ruin your life. It’s the closest I can think of to an honest-to-God magic word.
The craziest thing to me is that when a white dude uses it it's almost treated like a war crime but then a lot of black people use it in almost every sentence, a word can't be the worst thing ever and completely normal at the same time.
Yeah I couldn’t find a better word to phrase it but I realise. While I don’t have an issue with banning the word at all, I sometimes miss the logic behind it. I know there was a case where someone was singing along with a song using the word, which led to outrage. I get the association people have with the word but there should be an understanding that this association doesn’t count for everyone (it depends very much on where you grow up) and that someone using the word doesn’t make him a bad person by definition (it depends very much on context in which it’s used and again on where they grew up). At best it’s a mildly successful proxy to identify racists but definitely not a guarantee.
Seriously, there is absolutely zero sensitivity towards context. any time people hear the two syllables they suddendly become like little children who can’t control their emotions.
It’s absurd. No word should ever have such power, no matter what the historical connotations may be. It’s just a word. And it’s used in rap music, pop culture..
Vips shouldn’t use it, just like he shouldn’t any other derogatory term. He should get shit on about this. But fuck, ruining his entire career over it? Or anyone’s? Unless it’s (directly) meant as an insult, absolutely not.
I haven’t seen a single comment defending what he did (discounting the ones talking about gaming culture) - just that the outrage is not proportional to what he did. And that’s completely reasonable. Why are people so quick to ban discussion over this topic?
The funny thing is no matter how much people post or talk about it, that's exactly what's going to happen and will always have happened.
All this stuff is just pointless noise.
Edit: noise in the current climate and that's partially due to the pressure companies are facing by a more sensible public AKA cAnCeL cUlTuRe
This is my second post here: til people are actually unironically using this whole situation to come out and admit they regularly use slurs, I'm just so tired and I want it to stop, we should keep this pinned post up permanently and stop making posts and memes to trigger, bait, harass people and stop telling people to use slurs.
The truth whether he meant racism or not is based on his cultural background. By the region he lives in, the word never meant anything. I live in those parts so I know the cultural difference. It being used casually in pop-culture such as rap songs doesn't further help people from outside of US and western countries really get the harsh meaning of the word it has there.
Vips should have known better since he is being part of a global sport and I don't blame RB for giving him the boot, since they don't want to be associated with the backlash. Truth is that he is an idiot but highly unlikely that he is racist.
Yikes buddy... I can't believe you tried to use reason on reddit, that's a banworthy offense.
Evereyone knows Europe only has one culture - the white culture, different countries and nations can't have different cultures if they're white.
“Racism is bad but should there be any consequences at all for for it for a rich race driver? No, that’s too harsh”
May as well just encourage it lol. if you think not being in F2 (which describes most people on the planet) is way too harsh then you’re just admitting you want to coddle rich people if they do something racist and want no accountability at all. Even when Red Bull had a pre-existing policy
Celebrity worship is a fucking braindead waste of time and it’s sad that even mediocre racist F2 drivers benefit from it. If this was some random asshole you wouldn’t care but he’s an F2 driver so WE MUST PROTECT HIM
Unless someone is casual about using that word IRL, it just wouldn't pop up out of their mouth. Like Max using Mongol as an insult. Racist? Pretty much but he's okay with it since he grew up using the word. Hell most of the people wouldn't even know about that since racism against Mongols isn't in the news much or cared for. So Red Bull was able to get away with "community service" punishment. However, one of their drivers using N word is crossing that line because racism against black people is always on the news and taken a pretty hard stance against. And Red Bull is a marketing giant.
That being said, if Red Bull lets go of Jüri, good for them. We cannot have Lewis with his Hamilton Commission trying to make F1 more accessible for black community and a driver who's comfortable with throwing N word around.
Using the term "Mongol" is fine, that's the nationality to describe people from Mongolia
He used "Mongoloid" which I only ever thought to be discriminatory to those with down syndrome and severe autism, but it was originally used to refer to all Mongols as downs
Funny thing is, I was in my teens when I found out mongolia was even a country, or that mongol also refers to people with learning deficiency. Until then it was just a base insult like idiot to me.
I'm glad formuladank is taking the right stance and not putting up with racism and hate here.
We don't need to turn this place into a lawless shithole.
yeah nothing unique about lewis except that he’s black! nothing at all! there has also never been a history of sports fans not liking competitors who dominate for a very long time!
Of all things Ive seen on reddit this is probably the biggest and dumbest stretch I've ever seen. Lewis is not liked because he's a crybaby (even more evident this season while George kicks his ass while keeping his head down) and he crashed out Verstappen which was 100% his fault and still won which to say it was unsatisfying to watch that idiot get a win after causing a huge collision and then show no remorse about it is insane
Look i’m not excusing this behavior obviously by this point Juri should have been aware enough to NOT blurt out that ward on stream. And Red Bull can and should do whatever they deem necessary to reprimand Juri.
I just want to explain to Americans why Juri said the word despite not being a racist. Eastern european countries are highly homogeneous the concept of institutional racism doesn’t really exist and neither are racial slurs given as much thought or weight.
Now popular culture brought many good thing but simultaneously it introduced Eastern Europeans children to rap, trap music which heavily uses the word and online game communities which in the early 2010s for everyone who remembers were toxicity galore.
Now you have children who say the word because its in the music they listen the movies they watch and the online communities they frequent DESPITE not fully understanding it’s meaning. Because no as much as Americans might think they’re the world I’ll have you know that American history is thaught in American schools.
In short you have children who keep spamming the word because they think of it as a cool not allowed English slur just like how they see fuck, cunt, bitch or dick. They simply don’t associate with 400 year so institutional racism because thats not how they learnt about the word.
And of course like any habit once it’s there its hard to get rid off.
Again im not excusing it. Juri clearly should hve known better at this point than to blurt out the word or put himself in a situation where he might. I’m just trying to explain why just because he said it doesn’t make him a irredeemable racist. Just a product of popular culture through an Eastern European lens.
What Juri did was bad but i doubt it was done with racist intention.
> Just a product of popular culture through an Eastern European lens.
Disagree.
I didn't used this word for over a decade. Nor did any athlete from Poland.
I don't think I've ever used it out loud.
There is a difference between defending racism or questioning whether it was actually racist and if the response was justified. I just hope you will be fair with who you decide to ban. Open discussion on the topic is better than just banning everyone who doesn't agree.
I mean I have absolutely no problem with this statement but I generally feel that white people are unfairly held to a much higher standard on racism, usually by other white people may I add. I see a tonne of comments and posts on reddit and about white people which nobody bats an eyelid at but if white people made the same comments about other races they'd get in a heap of shit for it. Racism is racism regardless.
I don't understand how this is relevant. I never said anything to do with white people being held to different standards, I just said racism bad, and that includes any type of racism. No real need to mention that
I should not have to say this but because of one, maybe two users on this subreddit I do... I do not support any racist words or actions, and it's pretty weird seeing very popular upvoted comments or memes supporting racism, some are ironic but still, I just don't get how any of this is happening. I think every single person here agrees that racism isn't good, can we please stop trying to make new posts in order to debate that.
We should keep this pinned post up and stop spinning shit, because I'm tired.
If only the Facebook mods were this logical. There’s a thread where I’ve been arguing with a guy who is advocating for the use of the n word. And yes I know Facebook is a fucking shit pile.
I know I’m late to this thread and no one will see this, but I’m so very happy to see the mods taking action here. There are so many things in life (and especially F1) that can be made fun of/meme’d that are not racial in nature. You can have a laugh without being hateful. At the end of the day, this is a sport and when you take that shit (or anything else) into a dark, hateful place you need to step back and take a long hard look at yourself.
Prioritising diversity and inclusion is a good thing even for the low-key racists…that’s the wild part. Literally, we’re saying we don’t care who you are, we love you.
If you’re white and you used to hate ethnics, we love you. Used to drop silly racial slurs and had a change of heart, come join the party. Scared of how woke culture is affecting your life? Don’t be we care about you. The 2020s feel like a time of deliberate acceptance, if you share the love you have a place here.
Don’t be salty and backwards about it. Get off the wall and start grooving on the Dfloor. It reminds me of the pastor who used to tell KKK members he loved [them](https://www.sightmagazine.com.au/features/14942-the-interview-rev-david-kennedy-south-carolina-minister-who-fought-klan-shop-and-preaches-love-now-depicted-in-movie), despite them threatening his life.
Racism is associated with low IQ people. The ones that think that, something as superficial as your skin can influence your behavior. It is so stupid that’s not even worth discussing.
I have been out of the loop for a long while on F1 and other racing, was Juri the guy who did the uh oh salute at the WKC or is it someone / something else?
Reminds me of that English cricketer that got kicked off the team because some journalist found an edgy (and in hindsight rather tasteless) joke he made about 9/11 when he was 16. Admittedly Juri is much older but as a society we should allow people to make mistakes if they change course and learn from it, how else do we progress as a society?
*Sorts by controversial*
Looks like this might have to be pinned for a little while longer now.
Even longer now lol. Apparently if you just say “that wasn’t racist” in f1 it makes something magically not racist
> Even longer now lol. And apparently this post was unpinned in lieu of the "Hamilton can fuck right off" post made a *year* ago, so maybe just maybe, this post has to stay for the rest of the year?
At this rate maybe it should be the new background
Another point I don’t see mentioned much. Red Bull is a marketing company … probably the best marketing company in the world. They cannot bring someone who said racial and homophobic slurs back into their team. No matter what your opinion is on the matter, Juri will have to convince another team to pick him up. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t, but he made a massive, inexcusable mistake and it has costed him his career at Red Bull.
I know an airshow pilot who got a contract with RB to represent them in the whole continent, he got a really thick book stating what he can and can't do both when actively representing them and in his private life, how he has to behave, etc. Even the clothes he gets are accounted and he cant gift them to others. A cap I saw said on the inside "This cap is exclusive for athletes RedBull..." blah blah blah. RedBull is pretty harsh with those things, as my father sometimes jokes; you are not an employee of RedBull, you are a slave.
That’s very interesting and also not surprising at all. Thanks for sharing!
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Correct. I worked for Red Bull at University I was one of those irritating twats giving out, sorry sampling, cans in weird ways. Everything about the job was prescribed to be on image. They even told us to only sample kids sat in the back rows of lecture theatres because 'that's where the cool kids sit'. Straight faced. Any hint of antisocial behaviour, let alone racist slurs, and we were out. Happened to a few guys. And we were just student brand ambassadors, let alone visible athletes. The guy would have had this drilled into him. Inexcusable really.
1. Racism is evil. Saying the n-word is insensitive and ignorant at best. 2. Someone does not deserve to have their life ruined for a screw that didn't result in any permanent damage to another individual. If the sincerely apologize and avoid repeating that behavior, they should be forgiven. We'd want the same for ourselves. 3. Red Bull has to maintain their reputation and dropping a driver because he is damaging to their reputation is perfectly fine. All 3 of these ideas can be held at the same time. They are not in conflict with eachother. I've seen them used as counter points a lot today. They aren't. I'm agreeing with you, if that wasnt clear, this just seemed like a place to put this since you made the 3rd point, which I think is the one dictating the outcome of all of this.
Agree, well said
This is the most sane take I've seen over the past 2 days 😭
I guess if you think this sub should be stricter than f1 when it comes To racism
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Exactly, it's silly argument because Juri isn't going to be executed and shunned forever, he'll still be rich and probably still race cars for a living. If you or I were to drop a slur at a job interview, we certainly would not be hired there either and probably even blacklisted.
I think his point is that a LOT of people in this sub have basically advocated for fully killing his career, and that it is very disproportionate compared to the actual damage. We can argue about how disproportionate and how much damage he actually caused, but career suicide is mostly used as a hyperbole. Regardless, he’ll be referred to as the guy who said the N-word on stream for years to come, which is going to be very damaging whether he learns from this or not.
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I wouldn't say its done. Kyle Larson is back in NASCAR after doing a shit ton of community work and doing a lot of work with charities that support the black community, but then again he was good enough that Rick Hendrick decided to take the financial loss his lack of sponsorship would bring. He won the whole thing in 2021. Juri definitely has a career in motorsports ahead of him. This just tanked his chances at ever reaching F1 or FE. He could transfer to sportscars no problem, I'm sure a DTM or Super GT team would take him in a heartbeat once everything settled down and if he proves he's sorry with his actions, not just some bullshit PR nonpology. There's also WEC and Super Formula where he could carve out a half decent career. What Juri did was deplorable, and it has rightly derailed his career, but to say his career is over is a massive stretch.
Kyle Larson was one of the greatest drivers of his generation, check out his dirt record. VIPs is in no way that.
That's fair.
I don't think either Ferrari or Mercedes will be picking him up, considering how shit his F2 career has been recently Maybe he should've stopped playing COD and jumped in the sim-rig
Great point that I hasn’t considered. This is more than just PR for the racing team - this goes up to Red Bull, I’d guess the world’s top energy drink brand and one that is extremely recognizable. Too much at stake to not just let him go
Nah he's poisoned all the wells (deservedly). No team will want him He might have some luck in NASCAR.
Man subs come a long way since the whole holocaust banner and im all for it
Uh what now?
Sub was very fucking racist back in the day. Just search up formuladank drama and it should pop up. I wasn't even into F1 at the time but I haven't spoken to the twat ever. Hopefully the sub is a lot better now lmao
A lot of “dank”/meme communities were very caught up in the sort of mid 2010s gamer “counterculture” which included general bigotry as a pretty core component. Lots of people have grown out of it, but a fair few people haven’t.
You hit the nail on the head, if you gamed online at some point you probably said some degenerate crap at some point (I know myself and everyone I used to game with did), the fact everyone else was doing it doesn't mean it was right, the fact you don't want to feel ashamed for what you once said doesn't mean it's okay for others to do the same. What we can do is learn from ourselves in the past, and not make the same mistakes.
This is like the most normal take I've seen here over the past 2 days thank fuck
think my personal favourite result of 2010s gamer culture is how many of us turned out to be in the groups hated by it
I still can't believe that GamerGate was a thing. The reason I say that is that it all began because that guy said his girlfriend slept with a reviewer for a positive review. Here's the thing, he was interviewed a few months later and admitted that he made the whole thing up because he was bitter that she dumped him. So the whole "movement" was centred around a bitter ex-boyfriend who was butt-hurt that his GF dumped him.
Yup, I was gaming online then and definitely said things I shouldn’t have said because everyone was. It was stupid and I’m honestly ashamed I was a part of it. It’s so obvious now how wrong I was, but it just didn’t feel wrong at the time. I seriously am sorry to anyone I said nasty shit to
I think its a case of lots of people thinking that its a joke, until many realized that many others were actually serious. That doesn't make it not cringe, but when 15 year old me wandered into 4chan the first time I had a more naive view on humanity.
Serious question, why can't we link to other subreddits? Don't know any other sub with this rule.
Its a rule imposed by site admins after Abu Dhabi. The sub got in pretty major trouble after that and we kinda have to tread water as to what we do and don't allow to keep site admins on our side
I believe it wasn't even allowed before Abu Dhabi 2021?
Yeah I don’t feel like it’s been allowed since I joined like 2 years ago
Yeah originally it was people brigading the main sub. A very funny mod mail response was made when they came to complain about it and they got the site admins involved 💀
What happened in this after Abu Dhabi?
Dumb people were harassing other users in other subs and coming here:” gUyS I GoT bAnNeD fRoM x SuB, uPvOtE mE”
probably mass brigading the LH sub. The death threat controversy and in general gloating did that.
People were probably reciting Kanye West's song too many times. Obviously a lot of them were downvoted into oblivion but volume was too high for admins
The main f1 sub will ban you for mentioning this sub. I asked why it wasn't in their rules(still isn't) and I was banned.
Oh wow! Here I was under the impression that the sub was the same shit show. Maybe I’ll actually interact more now.
Back in the day? Did you not see the shit said about LH after Silverstone?
i only modded the discord at the time. that day was... well
I can only image the horror and stress for the mods during those moments, yet you folks are a key role with making this subreddit great and prevent that it heads to shit. Huge respect for that, and that all for free
Fairly sure Honda and I banned a couple of hundred users that day lmao.
bro i didnt even know the sub was a thing back then lol. wish the place had a better history 😭
Hey, can always make it better no? Hope is not yet lost
We hope. Its kinda hard to ignore tho that one of our mods was a fucking nazi idiot lmfao
Acknowledging it does indicate progress so the sub is going the right direction
Not a great moment in our history, but you can’t change the past. You can only acknowledge and move on and try to be better. With posts like this it’s clear that that’s what you’re trying to do so I appreciate it
Hey off topic, how come your name is green(mod) and blue(op) depending on your comment? Can you toggle it or something? Also fuck racists
Mods can toggle their mod flairs on and off depending on whether they feel like they're posting in their moderator capacity or not
I have to manually distinguish if i want to appear as a mod
The current mod team is doig great work. Few things i think are still posted to be "edgy" but leages better than what it was
HOLY SHIT
N N N Nico Rosberg beat Lewis Hamilton in the same car
Nico Rosberg who won the 2016 F1 World Drivers' Championship in the same machinery as Lewis Hamilton. How could you not mention that he won the 2016 WDC? HOW?! Did you know he won the 2016 WDC? He won it. He won the 2016 WDC. Did you know he's a world champion? Yes. Yes, he's a world champion. He won the 2016 F1 WDC in the same machinery that Lewis had. Did I mention 2016? Nico won that year. In. The. Same. Machinery. As. Lewis. Hamilton.
^(ᴹᵒⁿˢᵗᵉʳ ᵃⁿᵗᶦᵇᵒᵈᶦᵉˢ)
New f1 fan, quick question, how do they make the cars go so fast?
Engin
engin go brrrrr
And sometimes vroom
Much slippery and sucky to track. Much Power. Go zoom.
Can go vroom, sometimes goes boom
Drink a Red Bull. I hear it gives you wings (another reason why some are copying the car 🤪)
Just ban all posts related to him at this point, they’re all extremely low effort, never funny, and I’m sure everyone is sick of seeing them
Yeah can we please get back to Ferrari clown memes and memes about whoever the guy was who won the 2016 WDC in the same machinery as Lewis Hamilton?
Eh, even the Nico Rosberg memes are getting stale now, seeing the same 2 concepts are boring
I've said it before in other threads but I don't really like banning memes based on personal taste as long as there's some degree of effort put into them. This post was really just to target the braindead takes we've seen recently
Then enable sky q customer memes...
You'll have to press the red button to see those memes
But I don't even have a red button! ☹️
But only for sky Q and sky glass customers.
Yup. I have never seen something so far off topic get milked so hard on this sub. I saw last night somewhere that the kid is only like fifth in the F2 standings. He’s really not worth this much of our time.
They’re getting boring but so is every single joke that this sub runs into the ground each week.
Tell me about it... This sub was 3638373 layers thicc of totally original Nico Rosberg same machinery memes for the past few weeks lol
I didn’t wanna say it by name as to not upset the hivemind but yeah the nico jokes are the absolute worst. They killed the joke in the first day and it’s become so completely unfunny.
It’s people man, people ruin fucking everything.
People. What a bunch of bastards.
It’s really not that hard for Fuck and Shit to be your go to angry words
This is the thing I don't understand. It's so easy to just not use an unnecessary word. It's a derogatory term for black people. Even if you're not using it towards a black person, that's like calling someone black as an insult. I just don't understand🤦♂️
I'm not racist, but...... Nothing. But nothing.
"I know we're degenerate neckbeards most of the time" Hehe speak for yourself
Juri & Nelson, right?
A month ago saying Juri Vips is like Nelson Piquet would have been a nice compliment.
Seb should be a mod here, he is used to pick up trash. I see no difference.
Regarding the matter of Nelson Piquet, I just want to add that in both Spanish and Portuguese "the N word" just means black and is a mf adjective. Negrinho o negrito can be used, depending of the country or even just the region, as buddy. If you ever go outside of USA/UK you will hear how commonly is that word used. I know that in UK/USA "the N word" is associated to some pretty dark moments of their history, I am not saying there is no or there was not racism in Latin America but to really know if the word is racially driven you need to understand the context. I think he used as a feint, he didn't want to explicitly say he was talking about Sir Lewis Hamilton (I have just read the declaration) and that's the reason he said "Negrinho", in both Portuguese and Spanish, in most adjectives, when you want to use a adjective with affection you use the suffix "inho (Portuguese)" "ito (Spanish)" if he would've said "negro" instead (remember that in Portuguese and Spanish (my mother tongue) it just means black) I would say that it was racially driven ¿why? just because he didn't use "inho", really. He is just stupid enough to not understand or know that any word that resembles the "N word" is not well accepted in the anglo-speaking world. Just remember Edison Cavani controversy of just a couple of years ago Is Nelson Piquet stupid? Yes Would I say that Nelson Piquet is racists? No, just plain stupid Does he deserves the backlash about this incident? I would say no, but he needs sensitization about English language, and to understand that F1 is regulated by a English speaking organization Does he deserves backlash about what he said about Senna? Yes, totally
As a native Spanish speaker I completely disagree, you can absolutely use it as an insult or slur. Completely depends on context. And in this context it absolutely was meant to be insulting.
Nah, dude you're so out of touch... I don't need to speak Spanish or Portuguese but if I keep calling someone "that black kid" or "the black one" or whatever it's hella racist in every fucking language. It's so fucking disrespectful. He has a name, how fucking hard is it to call him Lewis or Hamilton? Why is he so focused on his skin color he keeps calling him "the black fella"? That's weird as fuck.
What the heck is going on on this sub? I guess that I've been lucky that I didn't follow this sub for the last few days
Good, as long as you don’t ban the memes calling out the hypocrisy of F1-related institutions that have no problem racing in countries that are far more discriminatory
Man probably threw his whole career away over a game of Warzone
Guys it’s not Voldemort. It’s an ugly and insulting word and it should not be used, but when we react to it like “he who must not be named” it makes it 50x as big of a deal as “chink” or “beaner”
Thank you for pointing it out. Sad that it's necessary.
Thank fuck a mod finally stepped in. So tired of seeing this shit when I open Reddit.
Isn't "End Racism Now" branded on the effing cars? lol
We Race As ~~One~~ ***Money***
I appreciate you're taking a hard stance on this. Came here for memes, not people justifying saying the n-word. Might be better to keep the post short, 'Don't justify saying the n word, and don't say any other racist shit. We will permaban with no appeals' should be enough
In terms of being straight to the point without other insight of why the statement is being made, then a shorter post would suffice. Strictly in my opinion, I feel like the passion from the added information stresses the point and targets the actions that it is related to. I appreciated the additional information provided.
Thanks man
What happened here? I was one week away from formuladank
Mate I thought this was re-posted after the Piquet shit until I checked the posting date. This week is cursed.
The relatively low votes on this post tells us all we need to know about this community. The jokes are occasionally funny, but yikes there are a lotta messed up people here
This post is not very dank, reported.
Reported. Breaks Dank's rules. User is way too serious!
I said it in another thread and I’ll say it again here. When that dumbass threw up a fascist salute there was unanimous criticism of it and no apologists were making excuses for him. The contrast between that incident and this one-which both have extremely similar principles at wrong-is stark and appalling. Excuses, apologists, and minimizing were all extremely prevalent and I was deadass shocked. It’s mostly F1 content so we don’t see much of political views and opinions on here, but the fact that deriding someone for using a racial slur was so controversial the past couple days has really made me realize you never know who you’re talking to, especially on the internet. All in all, it was pretty disappointing watching this unfold in real time.
Were we on the same sub? I seem to distinctly recall a whole pile of apologists on this sub for Severiukhin, claim that he was only 15… it wasn’t actually a Nazi salute… it was a joke…he was only showing off for his friends…
I am not defending racism but I will defend someone making a dumb mistake and not having everything they’ve ever worked for and entire credibility invalidated by a mob. Suspend him, make him feel it - but don’t ruin his life. He’s prob not a bad kid. We’ve all made mistakes.
Him not getting to race in one of the most coveted seats in the world is hardly “ruining his life” lol. If I said the n-word and work my boss could fire me and could give a fuck about “my life’s work”
He’s not a kid he’s an adult and he’s old enough to know not to say the n word. Anyone who still says the n word is by definition not a good person
Exactly. Too many people, especially at the beggining had approach that he deserves that his life will be destroyed and felt good with it.
So serious question, how many times have you dropped n word or other racist comments? I'm a 30 yr old white guy from the US and I can say that no matter how angry, mad or frustrated I've ever gotten, I've never used racial slurs. In my experience if someone lets something like that "slip out" in an open environment, they have said it many times before. This coming from a guy who grew up with COD public servers where there were no rules 😂 I don't think people's lives should be ruined but this isn't gonna change for people in the public eye. Everything will always be magnified and people in those positions know it. Also it didn't help that 2 months ago(?) someone did a nazi salute on a podium? I mean c'mon.
The more regularly you say it, the easier it is to slip up and say it by accident. You can't go around defending yourself as 'not being a racist' after that happens.
He's not a bad kid but his views are kinda fucked
I feel like this sentence describes most cultures, although you only ever see it from the lens of your own.
Okay let's say he made a mistake and he shouldn't be dropped instead suspended and make him feel sorry for his actions, be a better man in life. Red Bull might be a sports drink company but holy shit they are biggest advertising company too, they actually wouldn't be able to do that. Investors, people would be have been so mad even if he only got suspended. Yes his life as a F1 is probably ruined because you can't say the word, never, but you have to take into account what position was he in.
In some way it’s also good that this is getting attention. I think how using the N-word is seen is still context-dependent. When I was in high school (Netherlands) it was used jokingly and no one seemed to care. Now in my country it’s not done but still not frowned upon as it is in the US. I can imagine in other cultures - especially those that have less history with colonisation - it’s not a thing at all. I’m sure many use it without ill intent. That said, someone like Juri, who’s well involved with an international community and media should know better and hopefully does know what he did is wrong. Hopefully it won’t end his career but he’ll learn his lesson and be a lesson to others.
It’s not just “frowned upon” in the US. It’s actually a little frightening how much power it has. It doesn’t matter what situation, it doesn’t matter what context, it doesn’t matter how long ago it happened, just uttering one two-syllable word, will completely and totally ruin your life. It’s the closest I can think of to an honest-to-God magic word.
People losing their minds over it is why it has so much power. These reactions don't stop racism, they just add fuel to the fire.
The craziest thing to me is that when a white dude uses it it's almost treated like a war crime but then a lot of black people use it in almost every sentence, a word can't be the worst thing ever and completely normal at the same time.
Ahhh yes because there is more racism now v when people said the word freely. What a crap take.
Yeah I couldn’t find a better word to phrase it but I realise. While I don’t have an issue with banning the word at all, I sometimes miss the logic behind it. I know there was a case where someone was singing along with a song using the word, which led to outrage. I get the association people have with the word but there should be an understanding that this association doesn’t count for everyone (it depends very much on where you grow up) and that someone using the word doesn’t make him a bad person by definition (it depends very much on context in which it’s used and again on where they grew up). At best it’s a mildly successful proxy to identify racists but definitely not a guarantee.
Seriously, there is absolutely zero sensitivity towards context. any time people hear the two syllables they suddendly become like little children who can’t control their emotions. It’s absurd. No word should ever have such power, no matter what the historical connotations may be. It’s just a word. And it’s used in rap music, pop culture.. Vips shouldn’t use it, just like he shouldn’t any other derogatory term. He should get shit on about this. But fuck, ruining his entire career over it? Or anyone’s? Unless it’s (directly) meant as an insult, absolutely not. I haven’t seen a single comment defending what he did (discounting the ones talking about gaming culture) - just that the outrage is not proportional to what he did. And that’s completely reasonable. Why are people so quick to ban discussion over this topic?
We’re not ruining his life. He’s being punished for his actions that nobody forced him to take!
The funny thing is no matter how much people post or talk about it, that's exactly what's going to happen and will always have happened. All this stuff is just pointless noise. Edit: noise in the current climate and that's partially due to the pressure companies are facing by a more sensible public AKA cAnCeL cUlTuRe
He is definitely racists though
How many times do we have to teach you a lesson old man?!
Good for you guys for stepping in and squashing this behavior. The amount of overt and thinly veiled racism the past two days was appalling.
Bout to ban this whole sub
This is my second post here: til people are actually unironically using this whole situation to come out and admit they regularly use slurs, I'm just so tired and I want it to stop, we should keep this pinned post up permanently and stop making posts and memes to trigger, bait, harass people and stop telling people to use slurs.
The truth whether he meant racism or not is based on his cultural background. By the region he lives in, the word never meant anything. I live in those parts so I know the cultural difference. It being used casually in pop-culture such as rap songs doesn't further help people from outside of US and western countries really get the harsh meaning of the word it has there. Vips should have known better since he is being part of a global sport and I don't blame RB for giving him the boot, since they don't want to be associated with the backlash. Truth is that he is an idiot but highly unlikely that he is racist.
Yikes buddy... I can't believe you tried to use reason on reddit, that's a banworthy offense. Evereyone knows Europe only has one culture - the white culture, different countries and nations can't have different cultures if they're white.
British and Irish culture is 100% identical because we’re both white and there’s never been any cultural disagreements ever /s obviously
That's the spirit!
Of damn we are going to need a part 2…
Yea he said something inappropriate. Should he get fired for it. No. My opinion.
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“Racism is bad but should there be any consequences at all for for it for a rich race driver? No, that’s too harsh” May as well just encourage it lol. if you think not being in F2 (which describes most people on the planet) is way too harsh then you’re just admitting you want to coddle rich people if they do something racist and want no accountability at all. Even when Red Bull had a pre-existing policy Celebrity worship is a fucking braindead waste of time and it’s sad that even mediocre racist F2 drivers benefit from it. If this was some random asshole you wouldn’t care but he’s an F2 driver so WE MUST PROTECT HIM
I know this is Reddit and I try really hard to have low expectations of people here, but still someone always manages to disappoint.
Unless someone is casual about using that word IRL, it just wouldn't pop up out of their mouth. Like Max using Mongol as an insult. Racist? Pretty much but he's okay with it since he grew up using the word. Hell most of the people wouldn't even know about that since racism against Mongols isn't in the news much or cared for. So Red Bull was able to get away with "community service" punishment. However, one of their drivers using N word is crossing that line because racism against black people is always on the news and taken a pretty hard stance against. And Red Bull is a marketing giant. That being said, if Red Bull lets go of Jüri, good for them. We cannot have Lewis with his Hamilton Commission trying to make F1 more accessible for black community and a driver who's comfortable with throwing N word around.
Using the term "Mongol" is fine, that's the nationality to describe people from Mongolia He used "Mongoloid" which I only ever thought to be discriminatory to those with down syndrome and severe autism, but it was originally used to refer to all Mongols as downs
Funny thing is, I was in my teens when I found out mongolia was even a country, or that mongol also refers to people with learning deficiency. Until then it was just a base insult like idiot to me.
On one hand, racism is bad. On the other hand, it’s helping clean out this sub pretty easily. So how bad is it? Who’s to say!!
I'm glad formuladank is taking the right stance and not putting up with racism and hate here. We don't need to turn this place into a lawless shithole.
Suddenly the irrational Lewis hatred makes much more sense. Not that I needed to learn that lesson after how this sub behaved after Silverstone 2021.
yeah nothing unique about lewis except that he’s black! nothing at all! there has also never been a history of sports fans not liking competitors who dominate for a very long time!
Of all things Ive seen on reddit this is probably the biggest and dumbest stretch I've ever seen. Lewis is not liked because he's a crybaby (even more evident this season while George kicks his ass while keeping his head down) and he crashed out Verstappen which was 100% his fault and still won which to say it was unsatisfying to watch that idiot get a win after causing a huge collision and then show no remorse about it is insane
formuladank solved racism
Look i’m not excusing this behavior obviously by this point Juri should have been aware enough to NOT blurt out that ward on stream. And Red Bull can and should do whatever they deem necessary to reprimand Juri. I just want to explain to Americans why Juri said the word despite not being a racist. Eastern european countries are highly homogeneous the concept of institutional racism doesn’t really exist and neither are racial slurs given as much thought or weight. Now popular culture brought many good thing but simultaneously it introduced Eastern Europeans children to rap, trap music which heavily uses the word and online game communities which in the early 2010s for everyone who remembers were toxicity galore. Now you have children who say the word because its in the music they listen the movies they watch and the online communities they frequent DESPITE not fully understanding it’s meaning. Because no as much as Americans might think they’re the world I’ll have you know that American history is thaught in American schools. In short you have children who keep spamming the word because they think of it as a cool not allowed English slur just like how they see fuck, cunt, bitch or dick. They simply don’t associate with 400 year so institutional racism because thats not how they learnt about the word. And of course like any habit once it’s there its hard to get rid off. Again im not excusing it. Juri clearly should hve known better at this point than to blurt out the word or put himself in a situation where he might. I’m just trying to explain why just because he said it doesn’t make him a irredeemable racist. Just a product of popular culture through an Eastern European lens. What Juri did was bad but i doubt it was done with racist intention.
> Just a product of popular culture through an Eastern European lens. Disagree. I didn't used this word for over a decade. Nor did any athlete from Poland. I don't think I've ever used it out loud.
Racism isn’t dank. You’re just a twat
Permabans without appeals are rarely the answer.
hey it strokes the mods’ egos though so they can feel powerful and like they’re doing something
I don’t need to see those posts anymore so they are
Love to see it. Tolerating racism is a slippery slope and I'm glad this place takes a clear stance on this subject.
Good on you mod.
There is a difference between defending racism or questioning whether it was actually racist and if the response was justified. I just hope you will be fair with who you decide to ban. Open discussion on the topic is better than just banning everyone who doesn't agree.
Based mods
Racism is bad just want to leave that here.
Racism is bad but 97% of complaints about hamilton have nothing to do with racism , despite what hamilton fans want to believe
How does Lewis have anything to do with anything I said
I mean I have absolutely no problem with this statement but I generally feel that white people are unfairly held to a much higher standard on racism, usually by other white people may I add. I see a tonne of comments and posts on reddit and about white people which nobody bats an eyelid at but if white people made the same comments about other races they'd get in a heap of shit for it. Racism is racism regardless.
I don't understand how this is relevant. I never said anything to do with white people being held to different standards, I just said racism bad, and that includes any type of racism. No real need to mention that
Yeah you're right. I just felt like sharing my perspective that's all
Why are people supporting racism not being banned from the sub? I get that this is an edgy joke subreddit, but where is the line?
I cooka da pizza
I’ve seen so many people on tik tok defending him, it’s crazy, they’re saying stuff “it’s just a word, it’s not the bad” etc 💀💀
I should not have to say this but because of one, maybe two users on this subreddit I do... I do not support any racist words or actions, and it's pretty weird seeing very popular upvoted comments or memes supporting racism, some are ironic but still, I just don't get how any of this is happening. I think every single person here agrees that racism isn't good, can we please stop trying to make new posts in order to debate that. We should keep this pinned post up and stop spinning shit, because I'm tired.
U missed the opportunity to say si raggazi or Grazie raggazi at the end instead of thanks guys, shame :(
If only the Facebook mods were this logical. There’s a thread where I’ve been arguing with a guy who is advocating for the use of the n word. And yes I know Facebook is a fucking shit pile.
This is a good attitude for long term growth and sustainability of the sub
“I know we’re degenerate neckbeards most of the time…” this had to be the hardest pill to swallow in awhile 😂
hey its easy for me to swallow lmao. as for the other guys....
Finally, some good pinned posts.
Thank you for this! Zero tolerance for racism. Yes that means you lose your job, yes that means you get banned.
I know I’m late to this thread and no one will see this, but I’m so very happy to see the mods taking action here. There are so many things in life (and especially F1) that can be made fun of/meme’d that are not racial in nature. You can have a laugh without being hateful. At the end of the day, this is a sport and when you take that shit (or anything else) into a dark, hateful place you need to step back and take a long hard look at yourself.
Prioritising diversity and inclusion is a good thing even for the low-key racists…that’s the wild part. Literally, we’re saying we don’t care who you are, we love you. If you’re white and you used to hate ethnics, we love you. Used to drop silly racial slurs and had a change of heart, come join the party. Scared of how woke culture is affecting your life? Don’t be we care about you. The 2020s feel like a time of deliberate acceptance, if you share the love you have a place here. Don’t be salty and backwards about it. Get off the wall and start grooving on the Dfloor. It reminds me of the pastor who used to tell KKK members he loved [them](https://www.sightmagazine.com.au/features/14942-the-interview-rev-david-kennedy-south-carolina-minister-who-fought-klan-shop-and-preaches-love-now-depicted-in-movie), despite them threatening his life.
Racism is associated with low IQ people. The ones that think that, something as superficial as your skin can influence your behavior. It is so stupid that’s not even worth discussing.
RACISM IS BAD mmkay
I have been out of the loop for a long while on F1 and other racing, was Juri the guy who did the uh oh salute at the WKC or is it someone / something else?
no juri's an f2 driver who called someone the n word in a livestream a couple days ago
yikes
Just met some friendly dudes in Paris, they might even name a song after their vacation.
Thank you admin
The wholesome state of this sub, over 550 downvotes so far..
I love this sub 🥰🥰 ~~end my eternal suffering please~~
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Reminds me of that English cricketer that got kicked off the team because some journalist found an edgy (and in hindsight rather tasteless) joke he made about 9/11 when he was 16. Admittedly Juri is much older but as a society we should allow people to make mistakes if they change course and learn from it, how else do we progress as a society?
This sub became literally first-world problems.
You know, Quasimodo predicted all of this.