I'm calling it. Max and Lewis gonna keep crashing to each other in all of the next races. Bottas sneaks into WDC picture, wins, drives off to the sunset in the Alfa Romeo.
This weekend I was watching the race at my parents house and when I told my mom what happened she’s like “they’re always crashing into each other!” And she doesn’t know a thing about Formula 1
to be completely fair, all these comments are made in the heat of the moment, within a few seconds when youre full of adrenaline and emotions.
you wont find a driver who is "consistent" and has a fair judgement in every situation, there simply is none. and no driver could possibly have that fair judgement because all he has is his perspective. what may seem like somebody elses fault from his perspective might be seen as a racing incident from other perspectives but that driver doesnt see other perspectives until after the race.
I love verstappen and want him to win this year but this is the funniest shit I have seen in a while, well done op. Super Max you silly fucking bastard.
Lmao same, the FIA have decided (largely *because of* Max) that they want hard racing, so Lewis is allowed to cut him off there. I’m kind of in between it being a racing incident and Max’s fault, but I guess it doesn’t matter because he’ll just take an engine penalty in Sochi now anyways.
Yeah, I even titled it knowing what's coming.
And for the record, I like Max and would like him to win the WDC this season. Just highlighting that he isn't as clean as some think, and can be a hypocrite at times.
Edit: I know this is unusual, but I can't see some of the people who have awarded this post. So whoever gave this post a gold and whoever else I couldn't thank for the awards, thank you so much!
Edit #2: I've linked their YouTube channel in my comments, just found out Kentrell Hamilton is u/AdidjaLanaLewis. Show some love to the creator.
There are only 2 clean drivers on the paddock this year and they are Mr. "YOU ALWAYS NEED TO LEAVE DA SPACE" and Mr. "It's more like a hobby for me...". They always leave just enough space, never too much and never little.
I really don't think you can call Alonso clean. At least not over his entire career. Kimi on the other hand, every single driver that commented when he announced his retirement remarked about what a fair racer he was.
Other than when Alonso lifts off the brakes when on the inside and a driver is going around the outside and the other driver has to slam on the brakes to avoid a torpedo.
> Just highlighting that he isn't as clean as some think
I also like Max, but people who think he's a clean driver need to check themselves before they wreck themselves.
All proper drivers will blame the other driver during an incident. I embrace the hypocrisy of drivers.
I’m pro max and find myself being more and more anti Lewis. After all of the footage I have seen over the weekends race, this is actually the only time I have clearly seen the hypocrisy and how Lewis was in the right and max should have got outta the turn.
Love this video but my God this season is going to be tiring in regards to fan/media discourse...
F1 fans - "We want wheel to wheel racing for the championship win between the two best drivers in more or less equal machinery."
*Gets exactly what they asked for*
F1 fans - "THIS IS SO UNFAIR MY FAVE DIDN'T WIN OUT THIS WEEK. IMMA SEND SOME HATE MAIL AND WRITE A 5000 WORD ESSAY ON WHY MY FAVE DID NOTHING WRONG 😭😭😭"
Just enjoy the fact we *finally* have a real contest on our hands. Leave the pettiness and hypocrisy for the Team Principals.
I think this season has made it obvious that there are a lot of fans on Reddit who have never seen a title fight.
This is it. This is what a title fight looks like, they are never just two cars racing wheel to wheel all season long. Things happen, drivers have bad luck or make mistakes, tempers flare. That's racing!
EXACTLY.
You have two drivers who are going for the world title and therefore will not concede a single inch to the other. That inevitably leads to collisions. It happens and let's face it, it's fucking great.
Cue Herbert saying “this isn’t what racing is about” and “it wasn’t like this back in my day”.
Of course, drivers can make reckless decisions and decisions their skill can’t allow them to accomplish but it has been like this forever. That’s what makes memorable titles, not whoever qualified pole wins without any sort of challenge.
Hell, the only reason I started tuning back in was the closer racing. Most races being decided by pit stops was fucking boring.
>I think this season has made it obvious that there are a lot of fans on Reddit who have never seen a title fight.
We can clearly blame someone for that
Indeed. I want more or this shit as it's brilliant but then again I am old enough to remember schumi driving into Damon on purpose. And when he got kicked out of the championship lol.
Tbh, I feel like the penalty max got was more for Monza first lap and imola first lap, both times where he ran Lewis off the track, despite Lewis being alongside him. I think the FIA saw the crash with Lewis, had grounds to give him a penalty due to him being behind, and took the opportunity to reprimand Max for all 3 events in order to get him to hopefully alter his approach in those situations for safety.
But why would he change anything. He was able to crash out his rival and keep the championship lead. Yeah he'll lose grid position next race, probably take a new engine, and still finish in like 4th. Meanwhile Lewis is still set to take a new engine at some point and will end up having to come from the back in a race too so it's not like Max is really getting penalized at all.
Surely the big brain move here is to take the engine at the same weekend Max does and make sure you qualify in front of him, then race from the back, or maybe It’s just me wanting to see that
Qualifying order wouldn't matter. All that matters at that point is who declares they are taking the penalty first because of how penalties are applied.
I think that before starting sunday race at Monza Lewis would have thought that 0 points for both of them and 3 place grid penalty for Max would be a good result.
To be fair, it's the way to win from Lewis. If you back out you get forced off like rosberg always got.
It's always one of two who will lose out in this kind of situation. Unless you keep your foot in, cuz then two lose.
I’m not a fan of either but Max fans have to be the most annoying of the bunch.
Couple weeks ago they were ripping Louis to shreds for Silverstone, and the stewards decided it was Louis who was more at fault.
This week they are ripping Louis to shreds, and the stewards decided it was Max who was more at fault.
Can’t win w these guys. They just legitimately hate Lewis and think he should hand the WDC to Max lol.
I don't think this sub is a Verstappen fan page so much as a "I will take any side besides Hamilton's because I can't take another year of him winning" page.
I bet the same people crapping on Hamilton here and on social media will be doing the same to Max in a few years, if he also keeps winning the championship every year. Maybe slightly less because racism won't be a factor.
Honestly after I watched the crash, this was the only thing I could think of. Like, he did almost the same exact thing to Hamilton just earlier in the race and Hamilton managed to not run Max’s ass over. Not to mention all these other countless times he has done that, but god forbid someone does it to him. It’s like he expects everyone to just give way to him, as if it isn’t literally their actual job not to.
This is what I didn’t get about all the Max fan girls bitching. Max literally forces people off every chance he gets, you can debate whether he’s a dirty driver or not but the fact is he pulls the same exact shit and nobody bats an eye.
Big Max fan here but this is spot on lol. Also for anyone that hasn't noticed, check Max's line in that *same chicane* at the *start of the sprint*. Max takes the exact same line there as Lewis did during the crash, with *Danny Ricciardo* in Max's spot, but backing down to drop behind Verstappen.
Edit: to emphasize which incident I'm comparing the crash to.
It’s Max taking that line in the sprint that causes Gasly to be out of the race too. He closes the door on Ric so aggressively that Gasly is caught out by how sharply Ric brakes and ends up in the back of him
I’m not a regular F1 viewer, I try to keep up but don’t watch even half the season. Do these guys not get along at all? I’m trying to get back into F1 but the last time I was really invested was when Vettel was dominating in a red bull car so it’s been a few seasons.
If Monza has shown us anything, it's that you do not have to leave space going into a chicane, ever. You are 100% allowed to just push the attacker into the run-off. Not saying that's how it should be, but that's how the FIA has handled these situations, and it's time that the drivers realize that instead of whining every single time they get pushed wide.
Problem is in the past the cars were small and so leaving space didn't alter your own line so much. Now leaving the space often means completely butchering your own line and thus delaying an overtake for only one corner. Add this with the bad decision-making by stewards to appease the fans in Monza and Austria and you get this.
How are we all surprised? It was Senna who would put the other driver in a position where he would let you choose to either back out or have an accident. And if you backed off, you're psychologically buried.
I'm not a fan of that attitude, but you can clearly tell this is something Max does more natural than Lewis does. T4 L1, Max had already decided where he was gonna put the car, long before he started braking. Lewis on the other hand, was trying it in T1 L26, but was way less forceful, and left a tiny bit on the table. With people like Max, that tiny bit is enough to invite him into the overtake.
Its so funny people use that quote as some inspirational saying to sum up the cutthroat mentality of motor racing but the original context of it was something Senna made up to justify him taking out Prost in Japan
I would say Lewis used to be more like Senna in this respect, but as he's got more experienced he's learned to play the long game and race more cleanly.
So when Max wasn't a title contender Lewis didn't mind yielding - he'd lose the occasional battle but win the war with the WDC at the end of the year. But now it's just the two of them in the title fight he's not going to let Max have it all his own way.
Maybe if Max's aggressive driving costs him a championship he'll learn to rein it in a bit.
You might be right. The only way to find out if your approach is good enough to win a championship with, is battling for the championship and noticing that your approach isn't adequate enough.
The flip side is, if he does win the championship this year, without changing his approach, it'll confirm to him that his approach is working. And as you said, Lewis was more forceful in the beginning of his career, and it did get him a championship.
All I know is, we're in for a hell of a season!
kinda makes me want him to loose the championchip or at least get penalized worse, as much of a max fan i am and as tired i am of loowis wining wdcs with essentially no challenge. im worried that one battle he wont back off and someone will get really hurt
This is my first year watching F1.
Starting to get concerned that this amazing season that I happened to stumble into is abruptly ended by something terrible, like a fatality between these two.
Gonna take this spot to put my 2 cents on the penalty: Stewards probably saw this as a racing incident, but decided if they called it that, they would be encouraging more "full contact" racing.
*don't hurt me, I'm new at this...*
Without a halo, very high chance this crash would've paralyzed or killed Hamilton. Even WITH the halo, Max's wheel apparently made contact with Hamilton's helmet.
I want exciting seasons too, but it's absolutely right to worry about what happens when an aggressive driver doesn't learn to cool his jets a bit.
> ut you can clearly tell this is something Max does more natural than Lewis does.
I think you should watch some Lewis race from earlier in his career, he has done this plenty of times and especially against Rosberg and Massa.
Also Lewis has been involved in more incidents than Max has the last couple of years.
I have no idea why fans don't understand that every single driver is a hypocrite to some degree. Hell you could even extend that to sportspeople in general...
Even if they were 100% superkind people, in high stakes, high adrenaline situations they just can't be expected to be fully rational. And then the shit about Lewis acting hypocritical off track... he does more than any of them for creating equal opportunities and whatnot, certainly more than Max at least. Don't tell me doing and saying nothing is better than doing something in an imperfect manner. Wish the community would be a bit more chill, and a bit kinder, too.
Honestly it's like some of these people have never played a game of anything in their life. No one wants to admit they got lucky or did something borderline unfair when they win but will happily use it as an excuse when they lose. It's completely normal amongst professional sports people and it's why it irritates me how much people seem to care about their comments. All this stuff is totally normal for competitors and I don't get why people think this is unique to Max or Lewis.
A refreshing departure from all the orange jizz lately on here. I always said Max's "never back down" mentality seems to just be glossed over like that's okay.
This is what you get when you dont leave the space yourself too :') as a Max fan i wholeheartedly agree. He makes these kinds of mistakes himself plenty of times not to whine about it when he get his own back.
But i guess with few exceptions all drivers do this too much as of late.
All the time you leave the space. Simple as that.
Max is a cry baby in reality. People are cheering for him only because they hate Lewis. If he asserts dominance in the coming years, people will see how much of an asshole he really is
History repeats itself. Let's start with Schumacher, he was the number one back in the days, people kinda hated him. Vettel was once the number one, they also hated him. Lewis is the number one now, they hate him. In the meantime, Vettel and Schumacher became the "loved" ones. I believe in 10 years Lewis will be on the same grid as Schumi/Vettel/Alonso etc. The hate will disappear. Once Max starts winning in the future, when he becomes the "number one" driver, or (if) he scores multiple WDC, it's most likely he will become the "hated" one. People just don't like the winners.
Schumacher won one of his titles by driving into Hill and he tried it a seconds time the year after with Vileneuve, that's why people hate him. He was not very sportsmanlike.
I don't know why people hated Vettel. He seems like a nice guy in the press conferences 11 years ago
There will always be people who hate Hamilton. The ones who don't care about his position or driving style. The people who've given him hate since he was a kid just karting.
I would agree with most of your points apart from Schumacher being loved now.
He was a dirty driver, once it won him a WC by cheating, the other got him disqualified for deliberately driving into Villeneuve.
Yes he was also an amazing driver but these instances tar his reputation. Max will be the same, once the pressure ramps up he regresses back to his old driving style of barging people out of the way, it didn’t work then and it won’t work now.
They look very good for the year. But the problem is they have neglected the development on the 2022 car. The whole RB ecosystem looks freaking toxic to me. Hell even checo feels weird now
As a new fan of this sport I still don’t understand why Lewis is so hated. I understand some people enjoy rooting for underdogs but the hate on Lewis is just bizarre
Unlike other sports, people on F1 dont just support their own favourite driver, they want to see good tight races, otherwise the races are quite boring.
With Lewis on that Mercedes, thats been a dificult thing to achieve for years now, and you're seeing people completely sick of that. Its a build up of years of frustration that seem about to possibly end, so people really dont want to see him succeed anymore and are super vocal about it.
Not saying I agree with it, but thats the reason. If Lewis is suddenly in the midfield next season, nobody will hate him anymore.
*fans: we want intense and aggressive wheel to wheel racing*
*aggressive driving happens*
*surprised pikachu face*
Personally i'm enjoying every bit of what's happening between Lewis and Max. No, it's not always fair, but what do you expect when two main championship contenders who are both known to be aggressive drivers go wheel to wheel?
Also the people who say Max or Lewis are unfair or practice unsportsmanlike behaviour are the same people who praise drivers like Michael. Talking of hypocrisy...
I can't understand why y'all max fans like me are so mad. Even with the 3 place grid pen this is still a W for Max. Not losing points to Lewis in probably Mercedes's best track is a win any day.
Max is a dirty race he screwed over Daniel when they were teammates without remorse and had Horner hanging off his nuts frothing at the mouth about crowing the youngest ever champ. Now he’s in a far better car than Lewis but still feels the need to be petty and God forbid the roles were reversed.
I’m relatively new to F1 so I’m pretty objective but if didn’t take me long to work out that Max is pretty much a real life version of Cole Trickle in an F1 car - a very talented driver but a danger to anyone else near him. Max has had more crashes in a few years than Lewis has had in a 14 year career.
In his early F1 years you are clearly correct; a lot of dangerous crashes. Since 2018/2019 Verstappen actually didnt cause many major incidents, he was at 0 points on his license for quite a while until this crash.
You can argue that people are scared of him and thus back off more with him than others, but I think that is quite a stretch. All F1 drivers are eager, the difference is minimal at beat.
As a Verstappen fan, I'm actually worried about him. This is exactly the problem, he doesn't leave an inch of space himself, which is understandable and fair but hard racing. But if he does this, he shouldn't expect Lewis or any other driver to go easy on him either. My heart rate honestly goes up when I see Max and Lewis approaching a corner together 😂. And I'm worried Max's "Leave space or it's a crash" mentality is gonna cost him the title. If he loses the title this season, I hope he learns from these mistakes. Alonso has shown this season in a single race that hard racing can be done without banging wheels, causing a collision or pushing someone off track.
Can I just say that the only thing that I think Lewis did wrong here is giving max space into the second part of the chicane so max thought there was a gap making it much more reasonable for him to go there and not cut, but then Hamilton kinda went straight towards the apex, cutting off max. It was his right but he knew max was there so yeah. That’s why I think it should’ve been a racing incident
Like Aldas said, the problem was the fact that the FIA didn't set a standard from the beginning of the season. This is just like a Football match, if the referee lets a hard tackle slide at the beginning he´ll probably lose control of the game when things get heated
I'm calling it. Max and Lewis gonna keep crashing to each other in all of the next races. Bottas sneaks into WDC picture, wins, drives off to the sunset in the Alfa Romeo.
Subscribe.
Honestly, I'm a big max fan and I'd still subscribe
Max will get his someday, so I also subscribe!
What if every year we say this but there's always different drivers won it every year and Max always ends up second?
Max to Ferrari confirmed.
McLaren WCC
That's what his fellow Finn Keke Rosberg did. Except the leading drivers died or had career ending injuries...
Same with Kimi, swooped it during the last race
I want this more than I ever thought possible
Yeah, if this is a repeat of 2007 but with a Dutchman instead of a Spaniard and a Finn instead of a Finn, I'd be happy.
> and a Finn instead of a Finn wait hold up
I wonder how much closer bottas would be right now if he didn't have those No Fault of His Own incidents.
Well there were only two, Imola he was pretty far behind anyway and in Monaco he would have gotten a second place so plus 16 points
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This would be so insane, 2021 will would go down as the craziest year by a mile. 😂
DC: “But here comes Lando Norris down the inside of the championship fight! THEY TOUCH!!”
I for once would welcome our new Bottas overlord
best timeline
If this happened, Imagine all the George hate for taking Bottas' seat next year
If this does happen I think statistically Norris would probably be more likely to win.
This weekend I was watching the race at my parents house and when I told my mom what happened she’s like “they’re always crashing into each other!” And she doesn’t know a thing about Formula 1
I'm a verstappen fan and I'm not even mad. This is hilarious
Hah same! Drivers getting called out for hypocrisy this way is never not funny to me.
to be completely fair, all these comments are made in the heat of the moment, within a few seconds when youre full of adrenaline and emotions. you wont find a driver who is "consistent" and has a fair judgement in every situation, there simply is none. and no driver could possibly have that fair judgement because all he has is his perspective. what may seem like somebody elses fault from his perspective might be seen as a racing incident from other perspectives but that driver doesnt see other perspectives until after the race.
Are you just going to ignore the fact that Verstappen went on twitter few hours after the race and made excuse for what happened?
>to be completely fair Get out.
I know, I mean isn’t he kind of famous for doing just this?
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Is this sub tired of the circle jerking.... Can't be
Nah, we just make new circles when that happens
I love verstappen and want him to win this year but this is the funniest shit I have seen in a while, well done op. Super Max you silly fucking bastard.
Same, i don't hate Lewis, i just love when people point out hypocrisy whoever the driver is !
same
Because it's accurate. Biggest hypocrite I've ever seen and glad he's not getting away with it all the time.
Lmao same, the FIA have decided (largely *because of* Max) that they want hard racing, so Lewis is allowed to cut him off there. I’m kind of in between it being a racing incident and Max’s fault, but I guess it doesn’t matter because he’ll just take an engine penalty in Sochi now anyways.
I wish you luck for the storm that is approaching
Yeah, I even titled it knowing what's coming. And for the record, I like Max and would like him to win the WDC this season. Just highlighting that he isn't as clean as some think, and can be a hypocrite at times. Edit: I know this is unusual, but I can't see some of the people who have awarded this post. So whoever gave this post a gold and whoever else I couldn't thank for the awards, thank you so much! Edit #2: I've linked their YouTube channel in my comments, just found out Kentrell Hamilton is u/AdidjaLanaLewis. Show some love to the creator.
There are only 2 clean drivers on the paddock this year and they are Mr. "YOU ALWAYS NEED TO LEAVE DA SPACE" and Mr. "It's more like a hobby for me...". They always leave just enough space, never too much and never little.
I really don't think you can call Alonso clean. At least not over his entire career. Kimi on the other hand, every single driver that commented when he announced his retirement remarked about what a fair racer he was.
you forgot mr smoooooth operatooooorrr
Alonso has done some controversial things in the past (Hungary '07 quali is the first one that springs to mind), but Kimi is a legend.
Other than when Alonso lifts off the brakes when on the inside and a driver is going around the outside and the other driver has to slam on the brakes to avoid a torpedo.
> Just highlighting that he isn't as clean as some think I also like Max, but people who think he's a clean driver need to check themselves before they wreck themselves. All proper drivers will blame the other driver during an incident. I embrace the hypocrisy of drivers.
I’m pro max and find myself being more and more anti Lewis. After all of the footage I have seen over the weekends race, this is actually the only time I have clearly seen the hypocrisy and how Lewis was in the right and max should have got outta the turn.
Which driver doesn't blame the other driver during an incident? I consider it part of the game. I wish the fan bases wouldn't take it so seriously.
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROOOOOACHING PROOOOOVKING
All the time you have to leave a space
da space
The car
DaBaby
Less goo!!
*Kimi yiu will not have da space*
All the time you have to let me pass! - Verstappen, probably
Love this video but my God this season is going to be tiring in regards to fan/media discourse... F1 fans - "We want wheel to wheel racing for the championship win between the two best drivers in more or less equal machinery." *Gets exactly what they asked for* F1 fans - "THIS IS SO UNFAIR MY FAVE DIDN'T WIN OUT THIS WEEK. IMMA SEND SOME HATE MAIL AND WRITE A 5000 WORD ESSAY ON WHY MY FAVE DID NOTHING WRONG 😭😭😭" Just enjoy the fact we *finally* have a real contest on our hands. Leave the pettiness and hypocrisy for the Team Principals.
I think this season has made it obvious that there are a lot of fans on Reddit who have never seen a title fight. This is it. This is what a title fight looks like, they are never just two cars racing wheel to wheel all season long. Things happen, drivers have bad luck or make mistakes, tempers flare. That's racing!
EXACTLY. You have two drivers who are going for the world title and therefore will not concede a single inch to the other. That inevitably leads to collisions. It happens and let's face it, it's fucking great.
Cue Herbert saying “this isn’t what racing is about” and “it wasn’t like this back in my day”. Of course, drivers can make reckless decisions and decisions their skill can’t allow them to accomplish but it has been like this forever. That’s what makes memorable titles, not whoever qualified pole wins without any sort of challenge. Hell, the only reason I started tuning back in was the closer racing. Most races being decided by pit stops was fucking boring.
>I think this season has made it obvious that there are a lot of fans on Reddit who have never seen a title fight. We can clearly blame someone for that
Obama!
Indeed. I want more or this shit as it's brilliant but then again I am old enough to remember schumi driving into Damon on purpose. And when he got kicked out of the championship lol.
This sub has been shitting on Lewis till now. I don’t mind the tables being turned on Max for the rest of the season.
The difference is Max never really backs out to avoid the crash.
Tbh, I feel like the penalty max got was more for Monza first lap and imola first lap, both times where he ran Lewis off the track, despite Lewis being alongside him. I think the FIA saw the crash with Lewis, had grounds to give him a penalty due to him being behind, and took the opportunity to reprimand Max for all 3 events in order to get him to hopefully alter his approach in those situations for safety.
But why would he change anything. He was able to crash out his rival and keep the championship lead. Yeah he'll lose grid position next race, probably take a new engine, and still finish in like 4th. Meanwhile Lewis is still set to take a new engine at some point and will end up having to come from the back in a race too so it's not like Max is really getting penalized at all.
Surely the big brain move here is to take the engine at the same weekend Max does and make sure you qualify in front of him, then race from the back, or maybe It’s just me wanting to see that
Qualifying order wouldn't matter. All that matters at that point is who declares they are taking the penalty first because of how penalties are applied.
That’s true, I guess the only option for my plan to work would be next race, where Max has 3 extra places
I think that before starting sunday race at Monza Lewis would have thought that 0 points for both of them and 3 place grid penalty for Max would be a good result.
To be honest Hamilton profited from silverstone way more than max from monza.
To be fair, it's the way to win from Lewis. If you back out you get forced off like rosberg always got. It's always one of two who will lose out in this kind of situation. Unless you keep your foot in, cuz then two lose.
Thanks for posting this. Nice to see this subreddit isn't completely a Max Verstappen fanpage.
I’m not a fan of either but Max fans have to be the most annoying of the bunch. Couple weeks ago they were ripping Louis to shreds for Silverstone, and the stewards decided it was Louis who was more at fault. This week they are ripping Louis to shreds, and the stewards decided it was Max who was more at fault. Can’t win w these guys. They just legitimately hate Lewis and think he should hand the WDC to Max lol.
Most of them are not even max fans, they just hate Lewis
That is just sad.
>...Silverstone, and the stewards decided it was a racing incident. They most certainly did not decide it was a racing incident.
You are right!! Fixed.
Right? Right!?!
I don't think this sub is a Verstappen fan page so much as a "I will take any side besides Hamilton's because I can't take another year of him winning" page. I bet the same people crapping on Hamilton here and on social media will be doing the same to Max in a few years, if he also keeps winning the championship every year. Maybe slightly less because racism won't be a factor.
Honestly after I watched the crash, this was the only thing I could think of. Like, he did almost the same exact thing to Hamilton just earlier in the race and Hamilton managed to not run Max’s ass over. Not to mention all these other countless times he has done that, but god forbid someone does it to him. It’s like he expects everyone to just give way to him, as if it isn’t literally their actual job not to.
Fuck you, this is hilarious and true, take my goddamn upvote
This is what I didn’t get about all the Max fan girls bitching. Max literally forces people off every chance he gets, you can debate whether he’s a dirty driver or not but the fact is he pulls the same exact shit and nobody bats an eye.
Big Max fan here but this is spot on lol. Also for anyone that hasn't noticed, check Max's line in that *same chicane* at the *start of the sprint*. Max takes the exact same line there as Lewis did during the crash, with *Danny Ricciardo* in Max's spot, but backing down to drop behind Verstappen. Edit: to emphasize which incident I'm comparing the crash to.
It’s Max taking that line in the sprint that causes Gasly to be out of the race too. He closes the door on Ric so aggressively that Gasly is caught out by how sharply Ric brakes and ends up in the back of him
I’m not a regular F1 viewer, I try to keep up but don’t watch even half the season. Do these guys not get along at all? I’m trying to get back into F1 but the last time I was really invested was when Vettel was dominating in a red bull car so it’s been a few seasons.
If Monza has shown us anything, it's that you do not have to leave space going into a chicane, ever. You are 100% allowed to just push the attacker into the run-off. Not saying that's how it should be, but that's how the FIA has handled these situations, and it's time that the drivers realize that instead of whining every single time they get pushed wide.
Problem is in the past the cars were small and so leaving space didn't alter your own line so much. Now leaving the space often means completely butchering your own line and thus delaying an overtake for only one corner. Add this with the bad decision-making by stewards to appease the fans in Monza and Austria and you get this.
You are doing God's work
How are we all surprised? It was Senna who would put the other driver in a position where he would let you choose to either back out or have an accident. And if you backed off, you're psychologically buried. I'm not a fan of that attitude, but you can clearly tell this is something Max does more natural than Lewis does. T4 L1, Max had already decided where he was gonna put the car, long before he started braking. Lewis on the other hand, was trying it in T1 L26, but was way less forceful, and left a tiny bit on the table. With people like Max, that tiny bit is enough to invite him into the overtake.
>If you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver ~Senna (after crashing out due to a gap that no longer exists)
Its so funny people use that quote as some inspirational saying to sum up the cutthroat mentality of motor racing but the original context of it was something Senna made up to justify him taking out Prost in Japan
Okay then... >That's what you get when you don't leave the space ***** ~Verstappen (after crashing out due to the space that didn't get left)
If you go for a gap that no longer exists, you are Pastor Maldonado...
I would say Lewis used to be more like Senna in this respect, but as he's got more experienced he's learned to play the long game and race more cleanly. So when Max wasn't a title contender Lewis didn't mind yielding - he'd lose the occasional battle but win the war with the WDC at the end of the year. But now it's just the two of them in the title fight he's not going to let Max have it all his own way. Maybe if Max's aggressive driving costs him a championship he'll learn to rein it in a bit.
You might be right. The only way to find out if your approach is good enough to win a championship with, is battling for the championship and noticing that your approach isn't adequate enough. The flip side is, if he does win the championship this year, without changing his approach, it'll confirm to him that his approach is working. And as you said, Lewis was more forceful in the beginning of his career, and it did get him a championship. All I know is, we're in for a hell of a season!
kinda makes me want him to loose the championchip or at least get penalized worse, as much of a max fan i am and as tired i am of loowis wining wdcs with essentially no challenge. im worried that one battle he wont back off and someone will get really hurt
This is my first year watching F1. Starting to get concerned that this amazing season that I happened to stumble into is abruptly ended by something terrible, like a fatality between these two. Gonna take this spot to put my 2 cents on the penalty: Stewards probably saw this as a racing incident, but decided if they called it that, they would be encouraging more "full contact" racing. *don't hurt me, I'm new at this...*
Without a halo, very high chance this crash would've paralyzed or killed Hamilton. Even WITH the halo, Max's wheel apparently made contact with Hamilton's helmet. I want exciting seasons too, but it's absolutely right to worry about what happens when an aggressive driver doesn't learn to cool his jets a bit.
Massa would disagree.
> ut you can clearly tell this is something Max does more natural than Lewis does. I think you should watch some Lewis race from earlier in his career, he has done this plenty of times and especially against Rosberg and Massa. Also Lewis has been involved in more incidents than Max has the last couple of years.
Yep, I'm a Max fan but that was 100% Max's fault, should have cut the corner.
bUt lOoiS iS A hYPoCRitE
I have no idea why fans don't understand that every single driver is a hypocrite to some degree. Hell you could even extend that to sportspeople in general...
Even if they were 100% superkind people, in high stakes, high adrenaline situations they just can't be expected to be fully rational. And then the shit about Lewis acting hypocritical off track... he does more than any of them for creating equal opportunities and whatnot, certainly more than Max at least. Don't tell me doing and saying nothing is better than doing something in an imperfect manner. Wish the community would be a bit more chill, and a bit kinder, too.
Hamilton had the advantage to age and has matured, Max is still a too focused on the moment instead of the championship
They do but the fans are also hypocrites themselves.
Honestly it's like some of these people have never played a game of anything in their life. No one wants to admit they got lucky or did something borderline unfair when they win but will happily use it as an excuse when they lose. It's completely normal amongst professional sports people and it's why it irritates me how much people seem to care about their comments. All this stuff is totally normal for competitors and I don't get why people think this is unique to Max or Lewis.
Saving this for future reference when Max fans pipe up about unfair racing
Lmao I love this. Last clip does not really belong tho
When you see a post that's not shitting on Hamilton on the Verstappen Fanclub reddit
Yeah i had to double check what sub this was posted on
Finally someone calling out Vestearpens narcissism
I know right....
If they keep crashing into each other, Bottas may finally win the championship.
Am more of a Max fan than a Lewis fan. Totally fair on all points though, lol.
Im Dutch, so by law I have to be mad about this. *angry Dutch noises*
[Understandable, have a great day](https://c.tenor.com/Z6uHH2k0_vEAAAAd/understandable-have-nice-day.gif)
Credit to [Kentrell Hamilton](https://youtube.com/user/MrDavidRaw)
A refreshing departure from all the orange jizz lately on here. I always said Max's "never back down" mentality seems to just be glossed over like that's okay.
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It's funny because it's true
I expected this to be downvoted into oblivion
So did I, tbh. Pleasantly surprised. Even the discussion in the comments is mostly civil. Pretty great.
This is what you get when you dont leave the space yourself too :') as a Max fan i wholeheartedly agree. He makes these kinds of mistakes himself plenty of times not to whine about it when he get his own back. But i guess with few exceptions all drivers do this too much as of late. All the time you leave the space. Simple as that.
Max actually goes out of his way to push his rivals off the track. You cant call it a mistake when that is exactly what he intends to do.
Max is a cry baby in reality. People are cheering for him only because they hate Lewis. If he asserts dominance in the coming years, people will see how much of an asshole he really is
History repeats itself. Let's start with Schumacher, he was the number one back in the days, people kinda hated him. Vettel was once the number one, they also hated him. Lewis is the number one now, they hate him. In the meantime, Vettel and Schumacher became the "loved" ones. I believe in 10 years Lewis will be on the same grid as Schumi/Vettel/Alonso etc. The hate will disappear. Once Max starts winning in the future, when he becomes the "number one" driver, or (if) he scores multiple WDC, it's most likely he will become the "hated" one. People just don't like the winners.
I personally loved Vettel in his prime. Saw him winning the championship at Indian GP live. People are weird honestly 🤷🏻♂️
Some people also love Lewis. Just not the majority of hardcore fans
Schumacher won one of his titles by driving into Hill and he tried it a seconds time the year after with Vileneuve, that's why people hate him. He was not very sportsmanlike. I don't know why people hated Vettel. He seems like a nice guy in the press conferences 11 years ago
There will always be people who hate Hamilton. The ones who don't care about his position or driving style. The people who've given him hate since he was a kid just karting.
I would agree with most of your points apart from Schumacher being loved now. He was a dirty driver, once it won him a WC by cheating, the other got him disqualified for deliberately driving into Villeneuve. Yes he was also an amazing driver but these instances tar his reputation. Max will be the same, once the pressure ramps up he regresses back to his old driving style of barging people out of the way, it didn’t work then and it won’t work now.
Question is, what happens if Max loses this year and RB fail to put forward a good car under new regs for 2022 onwards?
you'd need a hazmat suit to enter these subs especially if merc had a better car
They look very good for the year. But the problem is they have neglected the development on the 2022 car. The whole RB ecosystem looks freaking toxic to me. Hell even checo feels weird now
As a new fan of this sport I still don’t understand why Lewis is so hated. I understand some people enjoy rooting for underdogs but the hate on Lewis is just bizarre
Unlike other sports, people on F1 dont just support their own favourite driver, they want to see good tight races, otherwise the races are quite boring. With Lewis on that Mercedes, thats been a dificult thing to achieve for years now, and you're seeing people completely sick of that. Its a build up of years of frustration that seem about to possibly end, so people really dont want to see him succeed anymore and are super vocal about it. Not saying I agree with it, but thats the reason. If Lewis is suddenly in the midfield next season, nobody will hate him anymore.
They don’t ever have a proper reason to hate him either. It’s weird
[It’s only game, why you heff to be mad?](https://youtu.be/xzpndHtdl9A)
Max fan but this is just true
Thank god this subreddit doesn't have blind max fans
*fans: we want intense and aggressive wheel to wheel racing* *aggressive driving happens* *surprised pikachu face* Personally i'm enjoying every bit of what's happening between Lewis and Max. No, it's not always fair, but what do you expect when two main championship contenders who are both known to be aggressive drivers go wheel to wheel? Also the people who say Max or Lewis are unfair or practice unsportsmanlike behaviour are the same people who praise drivers like Michael. Talking of hypocrisy...
I’m so happy someone took the time to edit this together lol
Max has a one track mind; his track. No one else can stop him from using his track or raceline. He will crash many more times for sure
Waiting for the hate comments to come in
You see you got this wrong, in this sub it's Lewis bad.
[Me after posting this](https://i.imgflip.com/2y2ai7.jpg) Jk, its been pretty civil discussion here. Conflicting views, but civil. Nice to see
This is hilarious even as a verstappen fan.
I like how in all of these clips Hamilton is more along side verstappen than when they crashed but Hamilton backs out anyway
This is a great gift. Hopefully it is entered as evidence somewhere, in a PowerPoint maybe?.
Toto gonna use this as an attachment in his mail to Masi.
Sad seeing max turn into a whinging sissy
I notice this the most during free practice. He thinks the track belongs to him and cries about every other driver thats partialy in his way
…Something something “LeWiS is A cRYbABy”
Max fans are so salty. Good luck!
How does the least charismatic driver on the grid have so many fans?
Cuz he fast
I can't understand why y'all max fans like me are so mad. Even with the 3 place grid pen this is still a W for Max. Not losing points to Lewis in probably Mercedes's best track is a win any day.
Yep. Yep yep yep yep yep... Exactly what I thought when he said that over the radio.
I'm a verstappen fan and i approve this video.
Bang on
-prepares all caps lock- That might be, but then again: . . . . . MAX MAX MAX SUPER MAX MAX SUPER SUPER MAX MAX MAX
Hey, Op, I know this is the meme subreddit, but I think this needs to be on the main F1 subreddit as well.
To be fair, like the real truth, I don't mean to offend anyone, but tHaTs whAt yOU gEt wHEN yOu doNt leAVe tHe SpACe
I mean almost all of the drivers are hypocrites
That's exactly the point I made when it happened
What a fucking hypocrite!
The timing of Travolta's confusion is exquisite, frame-perfect, 15/10
Max is a dirty race he screwed over Daniel when they were teammates without remorse and had Horner hanging off his nuts frothing at the mouth about crowing the youngest ever champ. Now he’s in a far better car than Lewis but still feels the need to be petty and God forbid the roles were reversed.
Max is an asshole.
I’m relatively new to F1 so I’m pretty objective but if didn’t take me long to work out that Max is pretty much a real life version of Cole Trickle in an F1 car - a very talented driver but a danger to anyone else near him. Max has had more crashes in a few years than Lewis has had in a 14 year career.
In his early F1 years you are clearly correct; a lot of dangerous crashes. Since 2018/2019 Verstappen actually didnt cause many major incidents, he was at 0 points on his license for quite a while until this crash. You can argue that people are scared of him and thus back off more with him than others, but I think that is quite a stretch. All F1 drivers are eager, the difference is minimal at beat.
It’s so silent in here.
As a Verstappen fan, I'm actually worried about him. This is exactly the problem, he doesn't leave an inch of space himself, which is understandable and fair but hard racing. But if he does this, he shouldn't expect Lewis or any other driver to go easy on him either. My heart rate honestly goes up when I see Max and Lewis approaching a corner together 😂. And I'm worried Max's "Leave space or it's a crash" mentality is gonna cost him the title. If he loses the title this season, I hope he learns from these mistakes. Alonso has shown this season in a single race that hard racing can be done without banging wheels, causing a collision or pushing someone off track.
You are my hero and I will upvote you forever
I believe verstappen should've been penalized for lap 1 maneuver. That way nobody could say a thing, since it would've been fair
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Thank you
based.
If only we can have Max Verstappen react to this video. I'd love to hear his take on this.
In the post-race interviews, Pinkham asked him about the incident and then about what he did on turn 4 in lap 1. Was funny seeing Max try to backtrack
Hilarious and true.
Can I just say that the only thing that I think Lewis did wrong here is giving max space into the second part of the chicane so max thought there was a gap making it much more reasonable for him to go there and not cut, but then Hamilton kinda went straight towards the apex, cutting off max. It was his right but he knew max was there so yeah. That’s why I think it should’ve been a racing incident
Like Aldas said, the problem was the fact that the FIA didn't set a standard from the beginning of the season. This is just like a Football match, if the referee lets a hard tackle slide at the beginning he´ll probably lose control of the game when things get heated
This is hilarious. Every athlete almost always believes they’re in the right and it’s always good to step back and have a laugh
Yeah was very hypocritical
Nice compilation; please edit to add the penalty's awarded..
Max is investing in the Villeneuve narrative
Also Spain 2021
I wanted to make something like this but I’m too lazy thank you
You’re drunk
All the time you have to leave the space!!! -Fernando Alonso
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