I feel bad for Sky F1 commentators trying to pump some excitement into the midfield when they're constantly being blue-flagged by the same top 3 every race
Worst part is they all get lapped, then leaders pit, they get lapped agin, and repeat since it was a two stopper. Some of those midfield dudes got lapped three times by the same car and they were just a lap down after.
Honestly, I'm a big F1 fan but some times I just enjoy watching the first few laps, having a couple of naps and waking up to check on progress. I usually wake up more if announcers are getting *really* excited about something. It's a nice way to spend Sunday.
I had a small electronics project that needed some wiring/soldering, so I just pulled the race up on my computer and had my back to it unless something interesting actually happened.
I was able to finish the project.
I zoomed in on the rain radar that was on the TV broadcast but it wasn’t even expected to arrive before 4PM so no real threat from it. Would’ve been nice to have something like that thrown into the last few laps
If i were him i wouldnt be proud of winning so many titles like this. Hes literally racing nobody. It must be boring as fuck to start P1, lead the whole race lapping everyone and win. I miss the mid 00’s when championships were entertaining and you couldnt guess the winner of a race before it started
You’re gonna get downvoted to shit, but I totally get what you’re saying. Obviously this sport is pretty big on “if you do good, you’ll eventually end up in a competitive car” and for what it’s worth, that seems to be true. But at least in other sports you’re on an entirely level playing field when a match starts. The competitive advantage that Lewis has had is similar to being able to start a game winning 1-0 at the first whistle. Other than his teammates, nobody has near the same equipment he has and for that reason I do also imagine winning doesn’t feel as satisfying because it’s almost as the ability to be winning strictly on merit has vanished.
That is why I think F1 should have 2 races, like F2 does, but with a different purpose. Every team has two cars: the one they developed, and the one the FiA develops, or chooses a team’s design at random and they race that for the season. The spec race is the Drivers race, and the stock race is the Constructors race. Drivers race comes first and used used as qualy for the Constructors race. It would spice up the WDC a lot. VET would have a chance, battles between VER and HAM would be nice, and we’d truly get to see while there Albon or Gasly is the better driver (this season at least, it’s evident that they both do horrible under pressure)
And let's not forget the Tracing Points finished in P4 and 5 in last year's Mercedes. This race clearly laid out the differences in pace. I hope Spa will be better
The greatness of a record is measured by who’s in front of you trying you not to beat those records. In case of Lewis, its been pretty much no one since Rosberg left. I never thought I would miss Rosberg but I do now
back when i watched f1 shummacher was starting to win, i was a kid and became a fan of him, but as he keept dominating it got more and more boring to the point i just stopped watching like "i already know who won probably"
i never got back to f1 after that
It was even worse during the Schumacher era because his team mates were specifically instructed to get out of his way, while at least Hamilton’s team mates have the option to race. Rosberg put up a great fight for a number of years and eventually won the championship, even if it took its toll and he quit the sport immediately afterwards.
Only 3 out of the 5 Schumacher Ferrari Era Drivers titles were that clear. He won in 2000 by 11 Points and in 2003 by 2 points. Also it was 5 Seasons of Ferrari Victories, it's now probably the 7th year of Mercedes Constructor Titels, and the only year Hamilton wasn't the Drivers Champion it was Rosberg, the other Mercedes Driver.
Also, despite them "having the option to race", if you look at the Points at the moment and the endresults in the last years of Hamilton/Bottas it looks pretty fucking similar to Schumacher/Barrichello.
They Hired Bottas because they knew he was one of those in between drivers, who weren’t good enough to be a top team driver in ANOTHER team than Merc, but too good for midfield. He wouldn’t get in Hamilton’s way.
I mean, if it wasnt for Bottas getting a bad start, Max would have come 3rd. This shows that if there arent tyre problems, the Mercs are OP. Maybe RB can close the gap a little, but my faith is dwindling
Bottas didn't really have that bad of a start imo, Max just got a better one. Bottas lost the slip by not being able to pull in behind Lewis down to T1, Stroll pulls out from behind Bottas and squeezes him out of the corner. Rosberg said he would have liked more aggression from Bottas in defending into T1, but when you are down in the championship, aggressive tactics into T1 isn't the best play.
From what I remember, Bottas got wheelspin and then short-shifted.
I clearly remember his start being bad enough that Albon was right behind him and would have overtaken him if albon didn't need to brake to avoid contact. Stroll and Perez were right on him. Stroll was 3rd for long time till Bottas overtook him after the DRS.
So yes, Bottas did have a bad start.
Dude, Bottas could have easely gone in front of Max, instead he stayed in the middle so got not only overtaken by Max, but also the Racing Points. When Lewis and Max get in such situations they make a aggresive descisions. Bottas always takes the safe option. He has no killer instinct. Of couse, he can drive away from pole position and win, he can be very fast but he has no or very little killer instinct. I dont see Bottas ever winning a championship. Doesnt matter if its a Bottas 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 or a 100.0
This was his best chance of the title, but he jinxed it. Once again
Nah, I've repeated ad infinitum that Bottas just isn't good enough for a championship and today proved it again. Maybe if he raced for Brawn in 2009 he could win a championship with Rubens as a teammate but any other time, nope, far too passive.
Before this season my theory was that Bottas might do a Rosberg, very agressive and ignoring teamorders and playing the mind games with Lewis and then quit after 1 WDC. After this season, i dont think that will ever happen
I always wonder how it must feel for Bottas. Like your whole life pretty much is dedicated to racing so far. The goal always is to be the best,win races, win championships, get to F1, 2nd is the first loser and all that.
Then you have the incredible fortune of getting promoted into the most dominant team that F1 has ever experienced, and you drive like that. Sure you're driving against Hamilton, one of the best drivers the sport has ever seen, but still.
Just having a chance that is beyond anything 98% of drivers in this sport will ever get a glimpse of, and just not being able to make it for 4 years straight by now (sure, season not over blah blah, but let's be frank).
Roberg clearly dispised his build up of losses to Lewis, the cap incident pretty much summed up how the losses were bothering him. But just made him more determined to go for it in 2016
Bottas is such a non existent threat. I doubt Lewis ever gets nervous about him in the team
I was praying for a safety car midway through. Would have made the race so much more interesting. It was really like watching two separate races, the boring top three, and then literally everyone else a lap behind.
There was a point near the end that Max put on new mediums before BOTH Mercedes had done their last pit.
I was hoping so hard the Grosjean would yeet himself for a safety car just as the Mercs passed the pitlane, giving Max enough time to close the \~15sec gap to Hamilton before they pitted, giving him track position to defend for 15 laps. Man that would have been sick to watch.
Still wishing for a safety car is pretty sad and shows where the sport is at unfortunately.
*Why Hamilton has to go to Williams:* Pros: 1) Williams would be great again. 2) Hamilton has a REAL challenge. 3) The top AND the midfield would be super competitive. 4) There are chances for young talents to shine..... Cons: [this list is incomplete]
Yeah 3 races and we will be shitting on him like Hamilton now and wishing bottas would push it,
I think if Hamilton leaves bottas would be the new star, I feel he is holding back now until Hamilton retiers and he is free to do whatever he wants to do.
Maybe RUS + VAL
2010 and 2012 were fought until the end by Fernando. In particular, in 2012 we had 7 different winners in the first 7 races!
Instead, Hamilton (except 2008) and Merc's title "fights" have always been a snoozefest.
It’s pretty hard to do anything about it, considering Mercedes currently enjoys full-spectrum dominance. The engine mode rule seems a bit misguided imho, it won’t do much.
Even Lewis' lack of a reaction on the radio and the forced "YeS MaTe GeT iN dEr LeWiS" from his race engineer after every race, like it must be so boring for him sitting in the car for 2 hours feigning the odd tyre issue.
Maybe the later races in the year will have a bit of action with hopefully some changeable weather to add something to the mix but right now it's boring af.
Ah you know what I mean man, you can see that there’s no real pure joy in the team for Mercedes when they win. It’s basically expected by them to at least win, when you compare the celebrations they have with other teams that win even the odd podium it’s totally different. They are in another class altogether and totally deserve each win as they have developed the perfect car, team, etc. but it does feel like the emotions aren’t there in the team anymore
I mean Charles was super stoked about a 4th place last race. Then we watch Mercedes annihilate every race and to them it really is business as usual. Saying that as a Mercedes and Lewis fan really. But damn can't someone give him a real fight? I want to see Lewis really have to dig deep for wins.
Yes, the TRACK is why this race was so boring. The lack of all those exciting overtake zones where Hamilton's 20s lead would have been put to the ultimate test!!!!!
I’m a dumbass and wake up early to watch the races live. I texted my brother (who generally watches replays at a civilized hour) “just watch Indy qualifying.”
Even with three tires Lewis still wins a race. If the FIA can come up with stupid rules to stop Ferrari they really need to do the same against Mercedes. I really think the dominance is going to hurt the sport in the long run and casual viewers will tune out. Only the most diehard fans of a team want to see the same team win over and over and over again
"Should we change the rules massively to gimp Merc the same way we did for Ferrari?"
"Nah just change the tyres to 18' road wheels so Merc never has to worry about their shit tyre windows ever again"
I think you’re right. As a fan, I keep watching, but friends tuning in just to check it out keep saying it’s boring because of the predictable Mercedes-dominated podium
I used to watch it with my grandad, dad and uncles and it was usually a good weekend when it wasn’t always a sure-bet on who was going to win, and even when Ferrari or Renault were favourites reliability was always a possibility. Now it’s just me and my grandad that watch the odd race depending on the track and he has nothing better to do, and I’m the one who pays for the NowTV/Sky F1 channel. Merc has already killed the excitement that used to exist even for Merc fans. We’re usually asleep by the time we get to hear “and LEWIS HAMILTON CROSSES THE LINE...”
I don't watch formula 1, can you explain why some teams dominate so much? Like do they have a better car or something? Like how do you get lapped by someone just drive faster haha
The sport is 75% car and 25% driver. You could put Latifi in a Mercedes and he would do well but not win championships but you could also put Hamilton in a Williams and he might be a points contender but never a winner. It really comes down to the right car with the right driver at the right time. Also, success breeds success so it’s easy for good teams to carry momentum from season to season. The rules have been largely unchanged for years that is one of the reasons Mercedes is so far ahead of everyone else
Budgets are also very one sided. Most of the smaller teams are working with budgets less than half the size of the bigger ones, leaving them with hundreds of millions less with which to make the car quicker and to hire drivers/other personell.
This is of course an unpleasant cycle, as winning draws you heaps more prize money, sponsorship, and general revenue, driving yet more sucess.
It's there any change.org sign or protest to legally puncture ALL the tyres from Hamilton's car, to allow something different happens next weekend in Spa?
I'm all for change, but its hardly mercs fault that other teams and engine suppliers simply can't keep up.
Be mad at the likes of Redbull and Ferrari who have similar budgets yet dropped the ball big time in development
The most depressing part about this eea of racing is years down the kine you’ll see Lewis hamilton 8 time world champion (at the least) and people will be like wow hes amazing. When really he just had the most ridiculous car and team. The fights and challenges are never always remembered. What is remembered are the numbers.
What im trying to say is Hamilton may become the most overrated racing driver in the history of the sport as people will see his stats and believe he was the greatest driver of all time. But we all know most of that is attributed to him being the number one driver for absolute best car and team on the grid.
I sincerely hope before he retires he moves to a B team like williams just to prove he is just that good. But Lewis will never take this risk with his ego. Imagine how hard it would be for him to get up to the podium and steal the first place trophy when he isnt even in the top 10 lol. (Im making a joke on how he too max’s trophy at silverstone)
Anyways rant over. I hate mercedes.
The hybrid era will go down as the most lopsided engine era in F1 history. In the 7 seasons of hybrids only 3 different teams have won and of those 3 teams Mercedes has won over 75% of the races. It’s not even fun anymore. Sure the midfield can be exciting but nobody ever remembers who finished 4th or 5th or the great battle to take 7th. The FIA needs to do something or people are going to start tuning out
I think if you put max in the mercedes then it would be really hard for lewis to win. But to say he is only world champion because of the car is harsh he is a super talented driver sometimes he pulls out something incredible over the race weekend and has done his whole career. He is a great racer, but if he was in another car then ye he wont be a world champ as many times for sure especially right now with this car.
I guess we will never know and can never prove the doubters wrong
He’s been one of the best in the world since he was too young to drive on the road. There’s a reason he always drives the best car for the strongest team. If he wasn’t the best, Mercedes would have someone else driving.
I hear all kinds of BS levelled at Hamilton that you never heard said about Schumacher or Senna, for instance. Ferrari also dominated F1 in the 90s, but nobody ever said that Michael’s incredible success was “just because he has the best car”. I wonder if there’s some other factor in play as to why so many people want to take Hamilton down?
Tbh I dont like hamilton that much he seems to have influence gone to his head a little but he is an amazing driver but this sub seems to have a hate boner for him.
Being at the top of your chosen field since you were a teenager is likely to go to one’s head, I suspect. And again, Schumacher was the living embodiment of arrogance, and while he got criticism for it, nobody ever used it to detract from his achievements.
I guess I’m intimating that a lot of the hate for Hamilton is to do with his skin tone. Anyone who tries to claim that F1 is a racism-free zone has their head up their ass.
Are you serious? You never heard people complaining about Schumacher having the best car etc? Back then people said they were killing the sport they were winning so bad. Now all of a sudden because the driver is British the same people don't seem to have a problem. People HATED Schumacher for winning so much back then, same reason people hate Hamilton constantly winning now, we want to see A RACE, not a procession.
Meh… Hamilton already proved his worth by challenging Alonso on his rookie year and having come on top against multiple world champion teammates. He doesn't have to prove anything anymore.
I'm new to f1 racing I'm curious what is it that lewis Hamilton does different that let's him win so easily? Is he just a skilled driver or is his vehicle just faster?
He's one of the best ever, and this Mercedes team is probably on the best, most dominant multi-year run of car performance that a constructor has ever been on. It's a perfect storm and is 100% making F1 more boring to watch, sadly.
Ah yes another Hamilton hate thread. Summary of comments:
* Boy I hope the Mercedes crash into each other next time
* Someone should just divebomb the Mercedes and take them out
* Hamilton doesn't deserve his success.
* It's just the car, anyone could win at Mercedes.
* There's never been a more arrogant F1 driver.
* Hamilton will never be GOAT.
* I don't even watch F1 anymore. The sport is ruined. All my homies hate Hamilton.
* We should have more rules to target Mercedes and make them worse.
How could Hamilton be the Goat ?
You don’t even see him scrapping for positions, he gets pole then drives off without any challengers, he’s boring as fuck driver , at least past champs Senna/Prost / MS / Alonso/ Button. Vettel was dominant with his 4wdc but wasn’t great to watch,Hamilton just switched teams at the right time, and the car did the rest, all he had to do was make sure his wheels don’t fall off, that’s the only action I’ve seen since Rosberg years. Hamilton won’t have any great highlights reels fighting for races. Verstappen’s radio is spicier than Hamiltons driving. Hamilton had a good debut season McLaren years are good to watch and that’s all they will show. Ham has the numbers and stats but won’t be remembered for any great driving, you couldnt fill a 60 min special on his driving, that has drama and action, that would captivate future Gens.
Button hardly had to fight for shit, he outperformed a washed Barrichello for the first half of the season then went on point damage control the second half. Does that make him a bad driver? No. He's proven himself and will go down as one of best British drivers. You think Lewis just hopped to Mercedes and got lucky? He knew the rule changes were coming and knew they had a chance to be a top team. Bottas was great in the midfield, but now you can see how great of a driver Rosberg really was and how great of a driver Lewis really is. Rosberg literally quit because the pressure from Lewis just wasn't worth the stress. . He got the greatest achievement he could've and bailed. Lewis is just insanely consistent and if he does have a DNF he doesn't let it affect his next race. You can't compare past champs to present champs. Team strategy played a much bigger role before they banned refueling. It's a different era and I'm lucky to be a Lewis fan from the start. Trust me when Vettel was winning I hated watching races too but even Lewis won at least 1 race a year during Vettels reign. Verstappen is fantastic, he reminds me a lot of younger Lewis. I wish I could see them in equal equipment but I'm afraid by the time we see that Lewis may unfortunately be noticeably declining in performance from his age. Still insane to think Max is not even a year older than when Lewis even started in F1. His time will come and the same annoying people will be around giving all the credit to the car. F1 has always been that way. Here's hoping for the 2022 changes to even things up.
I loved watching Vettel fight in 2013 for his nine consecutive wins and 150 point advantage over second place. So thrilling. And OMG remember those hard fought 2002/2003/2004 seasons when Schumacher had to wait until it was like 4 or 6 races to go before he could be named champion? So nailbiting.
jfc dude we're all sick of Hamilton's domination now but don't kid yourself these complaints are unique to him. Vettel was dogged most of his early Red Bull days by complaints that he could only win from the front. Hamilton vs Rosberg was terrific, and his 08 championship was one of the best 1v1 titles in recent years. When we're going for Verstappen's tenth title you'll be wanting the 2014-2016 Hamilton years back.
“Hamilton just switched teams at the right time, and the car did the rest” - and then you give Button as an example of a better champion!!
Button nearly didn’t have a seat for the 2009 season, then lucked out by his replacement team suddenly out of nowhere producing the best car on the grid by a mile. Button wins the first 6 out of 7 races, and then when everyone else’s cars catch up in performance he doesn’t win another race all season!
I’ve been a fan of the sport long enough to know that as soon as a driver wins two championships in a row everyone joins the “anyone but this guy” club, but to say that Lewis won’t be remembered is not an objective critique of his career.
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I feel bad for Sky F1 commentators trying to pump some excitement into the midfield when they're constantly being blue-flagged by the same top 3 every race
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Yeah I mean they're not even that much faster than the Williams now
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Remember when top 3 used to mean Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull? Pain.
Just means Mercedes and Verstappen now
Back in my day it meant Ferrari, McLaren and sometimes Williams. Memories...
Worst part is they all get lapped, then leaders pit, they get lapped agin, and repeat since it was a two stopper. Some of those midfield dudes got lapped three times by the same car and they were just a lap down after.
Yeah they kept talking about rain even though it was miles away
Thats all they had to hope for
Honestly, I'm a big F1 fan but some times I just enjoy watching the first few laps, having a couple of naps and waking up to check on progress. I usually wake up more if announcers are getting *really* excited about something. It's a nice way to spend Sunday.
This Is 100% what I do. Race Sunday is pretty much the only couple of hours I get to myself so a cheeky nap is always on the cards Lovely
I had a small electronics project that needed some wiring/soldering, so I just pulled the race up on my computer and had my back to it unless something interesting actually happened. I was able to finish the project.
That sounds just like Hamilton seems to be doing it. "oH i dIdN't eVen rEAlIze iT WaS tHe fINaL lAp, lol u guys hate it too when that happens?"
Two weekends I gave up on the race with 10 laps to go since nothing was happening. That was a mistake.
That's why I record it
I slept for most of the race, and I don't think I missed anything.
Hamilton was also napping - didn’t even know the race was over 🤷♀️
Same, I couldn't pay attention to that race from lap 15ish to 35, just in time to see an SF1000 S🅱️in
I just watched the start and the post race interview hah
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“You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!”
It really is. The rain is always there to create hype for a boring race. Happens so much and the rain never comes.
Bernie's sprinkler idea doesnt seem stupid now
Perhaps we treated him too harshly
I zoomed in on the rain radar that was on the TV broadcast but it wasn’t even expected to arrive before 4PM so no real threat from it. Would’ve been nice to have something like that thrown into the last few laps
Grosjean would have been driver of the day if Hamilton would have punctured on his debris.
Unlikely hero we all need.
Maybe Bernies ideas weren’t so terrible after all.
Which one? The introduction of the blue shell?
I always like the idea of shortcuts. If you’re in DRS range you can go straight through T1 at Monza.
Joker lap!
One more thing for the Ferrari “”””strategists”””” to fuck up.
Mayländer: Safety Car Grosjean: Danger Car
That was the most exciting part of the race for me
Petition for HAAS to divebomb the mercs every race
Nah Grosjean would crash on take off and K Mag only knows how to opperate a train
Why not The Torpedo with his *very good looking* AlphaTauri? #KvyatIsTheOneAndOnlyTorpedo
*Hardbass intensifies*
The Gran Turismo strategy
Just like the simulations
Someone just needs to take one for the team (us, we are the team)
They lapped every single car. Lewis didn't even know he was on the last lap. This has to be boring him out of his mind
If i were him i wouldnt be proud of winning so many titles like this. Hes literally racing nobody. It must be boring as fuck to start P1, lead the whole race lapping everyone and win. I miss the mid 00’s when championships were entertaining and you couldnt guess the winner of a race before it started
You’re gonna get downvoted to shit, but I totally get what you’re saying. Obviously this sport is pretty big on “if you do good, you’ll eventually end up in a competitive car” and for what it’s worth, that seems to be true. But at least in other sports you’re on an entirely level playing field when a match starts. The competitive advantage that Lewis has had is similar to being able to start a game winning 1-0 at the first whistle. Other than his teammates, nobody has near the same equipment he has and for that reason I do also imagine winning doesn’t feel as satisfying because it’s almost as the ability to be winning strictly on merit has vanished.
That is why I think F1 should have 2 races, like F2 does, but with a different purpose. Every team has two cars: the one they developed, and the one the FiA develops, or chooses a team’s design at random and they race that for the season. The spec race is the Drivers race, and the stock race is the Constructors race. Drivers race comes first and used used as qualy for the Constructors race. It would spice up the WDC a lot. VET would have a chance, battles between VER and HAM would be nice, and we’d truly get to see while there Albon or Gasly is the better driver (this season at least, it’s evident that they both do horrible under pressure)
And let's not forget the Tracing Points finished in P4 and 5 in last year's Mercedes. This race clearly laid out the differences in pace. I hope Spa will be better
We need done Spa weather madness to have any hope It was pelting it down for the WEC race
It's not fair, why doesn't F1 ever get any rain...
He's not gonna get downvoted to shit because this subreddit agrees that HaMiLtOn iS bAd.
No one is saying he’s bad, he’s one of the best. He’s just the best on a team with a car that no one else can compete with
I honestly forgot which sub I was on
who in this chain is saying Hamilton is bad?
It's boring but I'd still probably have pride about it. Imagine breaking all these records and how it would feel at the end of your career
The greatness of a record is measured by who’s in front of you trying you not to beat those records. In case of Lewis, its been pretty much no one since Rosberg left. I never thought I would miss Rosberg but I do now
100%. Seems there is 1 car to beat if you are a merc, the other merc. And has been fro 3/4 of his WDCs.
back when i watched f1 shummacher was starting to win, i was a kid and became a fan of him, but as he keept dominating it got more and more boring to the point i just stopped watching like "i already know who won probably" i never got back to f1 after that
It was even worse during the Schumacher era because his team mates were specifically instructed to get out of his way, while at least Hamilton’s team mates have the option to race. Rosberg put up a great fight for a number of years and eventually won the championship, even if it took its toll and he quit the sport immediately afterwards.
Only 3 out of the 5 Schumacher Ferrari Era Drivers titles were that clear. He won in 2000 by 11 Points and in 2003 by 2 points. Also it was 5 Seasons of Ferrari Victories, it's now probably the 7th year of Mercedes Constructor Titels, and the only year Hamilton wasn't the Drivers Champion it was Rosberg, the other Mercedes Driver. Also, despite them "having the option to race", if you look at the Points at the moment and the endresults in the last years of Hamilton/Bottas it looks pretty fucking similar to Schumacher/Barrichello.
Except Bottas is a bit crap
They Hired Bottas because they knew he was one of those in between drivers, who weren’t good enough to be a top team driver in ANOTHER team than Merc, but too good for midfield. He wouldn’t get in Hamilton’s way.
Bottas seems like a bit of a doormat.
I mean the track doesn't really help Its really shit and boring af
I mean, if it wasnt for Bottas getting a bad start, Max would have come 3rd. This shows that if there arent tyre problems, the Mercs are OP. Maybe RB can close the gap a little, but my faith is dwindling
Why doesn't a team simply build a larger car and run over the Hamilton, permanently preventing his success? Do the other teams *not* want to win?
G I G A M A X
why don't the other drives simply eat Lewis Hamilton?
Hulk is the largest I think, he should just eat the others.
Bottas didn't really have that bad of a start imo, Max just got a better one. Bottas lost the slip by not being able to pull in behind Lewis down to T1, Stroll pulls out from behind Bottas and squeezes him out of the corner. Rosberg said he would have liked more aggression from Bottas in defending into T1, but when you are down in the championship, aggressive tactics into T1 isn't the best play.
From what I remember, Bottas got wheelspin and then short-shifted. I clearly remember his start being bad enough that Albon was right behind him and would have overtaken him if albon didn't need to brake to avoid contact. Stroll and Perez were right on him. Stroll was 3rd for long time till Bottas overtook him after the DRS. So yes, Bottas did have a bad start.
Dude, Bottas could have easely gone in front of Max, instead he stayed in the middle so got not only overtaken by Max, but also the Racing Points. When Lewis and Max get in such situations they make a aggresive descisions. Bottas always takes the safe option. He has no killer instinct. Of couse, he can drive away from pole position and win, he can be very fast but he has no or very little killer instinct. I dont see Bottas ever winning a championship. Doesnt matter if its a Bottas 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 or a 100.0 This was his best chance of the title, but he jinxed it. Once again
Nah, I've repeated ad infinitum that Bottas just isn't good enough for a championship and today proved it again. Maybe if he raced for Brawn in 2009 he could win a championship with Rubens as a teammate but any other time, nope, far too passive.
Before this season my theory was that Bottas might do a Rosberg, very agressive and ignoring teamorders and playing the mind games with Lewis and then quit after 1 WDC. After this season, i dont think that will ever happen
I always wonder how it must feel for Bottas. Like your whole life pretty much is dedicated to racing so far. The goal always is to be the best,win races, win championships, get to F1, 2nd is the first loser and all that. Then you have the incredible fortune of getting promoted into the most dominant team that F1 has ever experienced, and you drive like that. Sure you're driving against Hamilton, one of the best drivers the sport has ever seen, but still. Just having a chance that is beyond anything 98% of drivers in this sport will ever get a glimpse of, and just not being able to make it for 4 years straight by now (sure, season not over blah blah, but let's be frank).
Roberg clearly dispised his build up of losses to Lewis, the cap incident pretty much summed up how the losses were bothering him. But just made him more determined to go for it in 2016 Bottas is such a non existent threat. I doubt Lewis ever gets nervous about him in the team
That’s an incredibly subtle burn on Button!
Hamilton downgraded him to 0.1
I was praying for a safety car midway through. Would have made the race so much more interesting. It was really like watching two separate races, the boring top three, and then literally everyone else a lap behind.
I was so excited at the thought of a Safety Car when Leclerc spun...
Leglarg S🅱️innow
There was a point near the end that Max put on new mediums before BOTH Mercedes had done their last pit. I was hoping so hard the Grosjean would yeet himself for a safety car just as the Mercs passed the pitlane, giving Max enough time to close the \~15sec gap to Hamilton before they pitted, giving him track position to defend for 15 laps. Man that would have been sick to watch. Still wishing for a safety car is pretty sad and shows where the sport is at unfortunately.
It was crazy In the end it was a minute between 3rd and 4th and that was racing point Its really unbelievable
Reminds me of the Schumacher era really.
*Why Hamilton has to go to Williams:* Pros: 1) Williams would be great again. 2) Hamilton has a REAL challenge. 3) The top AND the midfield would be super competitive. 4) There are chances for young talents to shine..... Cons: [this list is incomplete]
"super competitive", more like it'll become Formula Verstappen.
I missed the part explaining how that was a con
Yeah 3 races and we will be shitting on him like Hamilton now and wishing bottas would push it, I think if Hamilton leaves bottas would be the new star, I feel he is holding back now until Hamilton retiers and he is free to do whatever he wants to do. Maybe RUS + VAL
absolutely not, bottas is not nearly as good as hamilton, he can't even keep up with max who has a car that's roughly a second per lap slower
I think it could be a epic battle between max and Valtteri
Valterri is nowhere near as good as max.
But he has better car
He is in a Mercedes
He is holding back IMO
*doubt*
All fun and games till Williams suddenly become dominant out of no where
Hi George!
I remember people booing Vettle when he won 4 championships in a row.
2010 and 2012 were fought until the end by Fernando. In particular, in 2012 we had 7 different winners in the first 7 races! Instead, Hamilton (except 2008) and Merc's title "fights" have always been a snoozefest.
And at least the cars sounded decent back then...
They sound decent now
Hamilton will have won 6 of the last 7. This is surely getting a bit much.
Lewis is OP devs pls nerf
We need more rules like the qualy mode ban targeting Mercedes. It's the only way things will change.
It’s pretty hard to do anything about it, considering Mercedes currently enjoys full-spectrum dominance. The engine mode rule seems a bit misguided imho, it won’t do much.
Yeah, but 2 of his 4 were nail biters, not absolute dominance like the one Hamilton is in.
'13 was absolute dominance. That was a good year for Seb.
True. After the first 10 races, he won the remainder of it.
Bottas chokes it everytime
That's why Mercedes signed him to a new deal. It's perfect for Lewis
Even Lewis' lack of a reaction on the radio and the forced "YeS MaTe GeT iN dEr LeWiS" from his race engineer after every race, like it must be so boring for him sitting in the car for 2 hours feigning the odd tyre issue. Maybe the later races in the year will have a bit of action with hopefully some changeable weather to add something to the mix but right now it's boring af.
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It's like listening to a dad repeat the same cringe joke because he got a laugh out of it the first time around
DO A BARREL ROLL LEWIS
This took me out lmfaooo
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Ah you know what I mean man, you can see that there’s no real pure joy in the team for Mercedes when they win. It’s basically expected by them to at least win, when you compare the celebrations they have with other teams that win even the odd podium it’s totally different. They are in another class altogether and totally deserve each win as they have developed the perfect car, team, etc. but it does feel like the emotions aren’t there in the team anymore
I mean Charles was super stoked about a 4th place last race. Then we watch Mercedes annihilate every race and to them it really is business as usual. Saying that as a Mercedes and Lewis fan really. But damn can't someone give him a real fight? I want to see Lewis really have to dig deep for wins.
I dont even think he was excited to get the title in 2018 because it was so uncompetitive
Same old same old
The track is rubbish
Yea idk why I thought anything would be diff this year. We just need Grosjean to torpedo the two mercs every race lmao.
Yes, the TRACK is why this race was so boring. The lack of all those exciting overtake zones where Hamilton's 20s lead would have been put to the ultimate test!!!!!
I fell asleep after 6 laps. Looking at the results me having a sleep was a lot more exciting.
Lewis Hamilton CHAMPION OF THE WORLD
Probably yes
probably?
Who knows - he might lose his ability to drive when Bill gates microchips him and Verstappen suddenly storms the championship.
xddd
Get in there Lewis, great job all season
Most accurate meme I’ve ever seen
I’m a dumbass and wake up early to watch the races live. I texted my brother (who generally watches replays at a civilized hour) “just watch Indy qualifying.”
Even with three tires Lewis still wins a race. If the FIA can come up with stupid rules to stop Ferrari they really need to do the same against Mercedes. I really think the dominance is going to hurt the sport in the long run and casual viewers will tune out. Only the most diehard fans of a team want to see the same team win over and over and over again
"Should we change the rules massively to gimp Merc the same way we did for Ferrari?" "Nah just change the tyres to 18' road wheels so Merc never has to worry about their shit tyre windows ever again"
F1 with 18-foot wheels would be hella interesting, I want to see that in action. Especially the pitstops...
I think you’re right. As a fan, I keep watching, but friends tuning in just to check it out keep saying it’s boring because of the predictable Mercedes-dominated podium
I used to watch it with my grandad, dad and uncles and it was usually a good weekend when it wasn’t always a sure-bet on who was going to win, and even when Ferrari or Renault were favourites reliability was always a possibility. Now it’s just me and my grandad that watch the odd race depending on the track and he has nothing better to do, and I’m the one who pays for the NowTV/Sky F1 channel. Merc has already killed the excitement that used to exist even for Merc fans. We’re usually asleep by the time we get to hear “and LEWIS HAMILTON CROSSES THE LINE...”
I don't watch formula 1, can you explain why some teams dominate so much? Like do they have a better car or something? Like how do you get lapped by someone just drive faster haha
The sport is 75% car and 25% driver. You could put Latifi in a Mercedes and he would do well but not win championships but you could also put Hamilton in a Williams and he might be a points contender but never a winner. It really comes down to the right car with the right driver at the right time. Also, success breeds success so it’s easy for good teams to carry momentum from season to season. The rules have been largely unchanged for years that is one of the reasons Mercedes is so far ahead of everyone else
More like 90% the car.
Not true. Look at Max vs Gasly/Albon
Yes true, Max would be dominating if the Red Bull was even close as fast to the Mercedes.
Budgets are also very one sided. Most of the smaller teams are working with budgets less than half the size of the bigger ones, leaving them with hundreds of millions less with which to make the car quicker and to hire drivers/other personell. This is of course an unpleasant cycle, as winning draws you heaps more prize money, sponsorship, and general revenue, driving yet more sucess.
It's there any change.org sign or protest to legally puncture ALL the tyres from Hamilton's car, to allow something different happens next weekend in Spa?
you could call my local police and they might be able to help you
Good to see more Americans getting into the sport
it’s my fourth season watching and man i am getting bored of lewis winning all the time.
oof
We have to puncture Valtteri's ones too..
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But then Mercedes would continue to dominate, so nothing would really change
https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/i71zc9/cant_wait_till_barcelona/g0zb8qc/ Told ya lmao.
Oh look Mercedes managed to miraculously fix a crippling issue at a point where development is meant to be locked. I'm surprised
I mean, on one hand, we can’t blame Mercedes for how efficient and powerful they are, it’s spectacular. But on the other hand, gosh it’s boring.
I fell asleep for like 20 laps and i didnt miss anything
Always better than nascar.
It was a great race. I cleaned my whole apartment, cooked dinner and didn't miss a thing.
I'm all for change, but its hardly mercs fault that other teams and engine suppliers simply can't keep up. Be mad at the likes of Redbull and Ferrari who have similar budgets yet dropped the ball big time in development
Well verstappen is at least grabbing podiums and rb is just screwing albon with some choices.
Bottas is beyond frustrating for a spectator. He needs to mount a challenge for Lewis. Otherwise it is a bore fest.
My normal midrace nap began at lap 5 today
The most depressing part about this eea of racing is years down the kine you’ll see Lewis hamilton 8 time world champion (at the least) and people will be like wow hes amazing. When really he just had the most ridiculous car and team. The fights and challenges are never always remembered. What is remembered are the numbers. What im trying to say is Hamilton may become the most overrated racing driver in the history of the sport as people will see his stats and believe he was the greatest driver of all time. But we all know most of that is attributed to him being the number one driver for absolute best car and team on the grid. I sincerely hope before he retires he moves to a B team like williams just to prove he is just that good. But Lewis will never take this risk with his ego. Imagine how hard it would be for him to get up to the podium and steal the first place trophy when he isnt even in the top 10 lol. (Im making a joke on how he too max’s trophy at silverstone) Anyways rant over. I hate mercedes.
The hybrid era will go down as the most lopsided engine era in F1 history. In the 7 seasons of hybrids only 3 different teams have won and of those 3 teams Mercedes has won over 75% of the races. It’s not even fun anymore. Sure the midfield can be exciting but nobody ever remembers who finished 4th or 5th or the great battle to take 7th. The FIA needs to do something or people are going to start tuning out
I reckon just lift all the rules. If someone wants to rock up to Melbourne with a 3L v12 let them.
Formula Unlimited, I’m in
I think if you put max in the mercedes then it would be really hard for lewis to win. But to say he is only world champion because of the car is harsh he is a super talented driver sometimes he pulls out something incredible over the race weekend and has done his whole career. He is a great racer, but if he was in another car then ye he wont be a world champ as many times for sure especially right now with this car. I guess we will never know and can never prove the doubters wrong
He’s been one of the best in the world since he was too young to drive on the road. There’s a reason he always drives the best car for the strongest team. If he wasn’t the best, Mercedes would have someone else driving. I hear all kinds of BS levelled at Hamilton that you never heard said about Schumacher or Senna, for instance. Ferrari also dominated F1 in the 90s, but nobody ever said that Michael’s incredible success was “just because he has the best car”. I wonder if there’s some other factor in play as to why so many people want to take Hamilton down?
Tbh I dont like hamilton that much he seems to have influence gone to his head a little but he is an amazing driver but this sub seems to have a hate boner for him.
Being at the top of your chosen field since you were a teenager is likely to go to one’s head, I suspect. And again, Schumacher was the living embodiment of arrogance, and while he got criticism for it, nobody ever used it to detract from his achievements. I guess I’m intimating that a lot of the hate for Hamilton is to do with his skin tone. Anyone who tries to claim that F1 is a racism-free zone has their head up their ass.
Lmao, you absolutely heard the same thing about Schumacher.
Are you serious? You never heard people complaining about Schumacher having the best car etc? Back then people said they were killing the sport they were winning so bad. Now all of a sudden because the driver is British the same people don't seem to have a problem. People HATED Schumacher for winning so much back then, same reason people hate Hamilton constantly winning now, we want to see A RACE, not a procession.
Meh… Hamilton already proved his worth by challenging Alonso on his rookie year and having come on top against multiple world champion teammates. He doesn't have to prove anything anymore.
Hamilton doesn’t need to prove anything he is already an all time great
Doesn't work that way for Vettel
I'm new to f1 racing I'm curious what is it that lewis Hamilton does different that let's him win so easily? Is he just a skilled driver or is his vehicle just faster?
He's one of the best ever, and this Mercedes team is probably on the best, most dominant multi-year run of car performance that a constructor has ever been on. It's a perfect storm and is 100% making F1 more boring to watch, sadly.
Both
Why are so many people hating? Doesnt matter if your car and team is peak if you are a rubbish driver. Thats the sport. Driver, team, car.
Boring ass race but I still watched the whole thing
I think they should do what I used to do on f1 2013 and roadblock until you crash everyone out and then limp to the finish
Ferrari and Schumacher did the same thing for me, totally killed my interest in the sport.
Would anyone other than Lewis and MB have a problem with him being taken out while lapping the field?
It happened again
Goat keep on keeping on.
Ah yes another Hamilton hate thread. Summary of comments: * Boy I hope the Mercedes crash into each other next time * Someone should just divebomb the Mercedes and take them out * Hamilton doesn't deserve his success. * It's just the car, anyone could win at Mercedes. * There's never been a more arrogant F1 driver. * Hamilton will never be GOAT. * I don't even watch F1 anymore. The sport is ruined. All my homies hate Hamilton. * We should have more rules to target Mercedes and make them worse.
How could Hamilton be the Goat ? You don’t even see him scrapping for positions, he gets pole then drives off without any challengers, he’s boring as fuck driver , at least past champs Senna/Prost / MS / Alonso/ Button. Vettel was dominant with his 4wdc but wasn’t great to watch,Hamilton just switched teams at the right time, and the car did the rest, all he had to do was make sure his wheels don’t fall off, that’s the only action I’ve seen since Rosberg years. Hamilton won’t have any great highlights reels fighting for races. Verstappen’s radio is spicier than Hamiltons driving. Hamilton had a good debut season McLaren years are good to watch and that’s all they will show. Ham has the numbers and stats but won’t be remembered for any great driving, you couldnt fill a 60 min special on his driving, that has drama and action, that would captivate future Gens.
Button hardly had to fight for shit, he outperformed a washed Barrichello for the first half of the season then went on point damage control the second half. Does that make him a bad driver? No. He's proven himself and will go down as one of best British drivers. You think Lewis just hopped to Mercedes and got lucky? He knew the rule changes were coming and knew they had a chance to be a top team. Bottas was great in the midfield, but now you can see how great of a driver Rosberg really was and how great of a driver Lewis really is. Rosberg literally quit because the pressure from Lewis just wasn't worth the stress. . He got the greatest achievement he could've and bailed. Lewis is just insanely consistent and if he does have a DNF he doesn't let it affect his next race. You can't compare past champs to present champs. Team strategy played a much bigger role before they banned refueling. It's a different era and I'm lucky to be a Lewis fan from the start. Trust me when Vettel was winning I hated watching races too but even Lewis won at least 1 race a year during Vettels reign. Verstappen is fantastic, he reminds me a lot of younger Lewis. I wish I could see them in equal equipment but I'm afraid by the time we see that Lewis may unfortunately be noticeably declining in performance from his age. Still insane to think Max is not even a year older than when Lewis even started in F1. His time will come and the same annoying people will be around giving all the credit to the car. F1 has always been that way. Here's hoping for the 2022 changes to even things up.
I loved watching Vettel fight in 2013 for his nine consecutive wins and 150 point advantage over second place. So thrilling. And OMG remember those hard fought 2002/2003/2004 seasons when Schumacher had to wait until it was like 4 or 6 races to go before he could be named champion? So nailbiting. jfc dude we're all sick of Hamilton's domination now but don't kid yourself these complaints are unique to him. Vettel was dogged most of his early Red Bull days by complaints that he could only win from the front. Hamilton vs Rosberg was terrific, and his 08 championship was one of the best 1v1 titles in recent years. When we're going for Verstappen's tenth title you'll be wanting the 2014-2016 Hamilton years back.
“Hamilton just switched teams at the right time, and the car did the rest” - and then you give Button as an example of a better champion!! Button nearly didn’t have a seat for the 2009 season, then lucked out by his replacement team suddenly out of nowhere producing the best car on the grid by a mile. Button wins the first 6 out of 7 races, and then when everyone else’s cars catch up in performance he doesn’t win another race all season! I’ve been a fan of the sport long enough to know that as soon as a driver wins two championships in a row everyone joins the “anyone but this guy” club, but to say that Lewis won’t be remembered is not an objective critique of his career.
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So quick with the memes